MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1970 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Firesong by "You" 2) HELP!!!!!! by "Lyssa Knox" 3) Re: Firesong by Alinea 4) Re: Firesong by EarthSongW-+AT+-aol.com 5) Vanyel and a few other things by "Sorana Stargem" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 21:19:49 -0000 From: "You" To: Subject: Re: Firesong Message-ID: <00df01bea176$74f24580$65a215a5-+AT+-knbwubxl> Heyla... hmm, my first heyla in what seems like years... *thoughtful* *stretches and pops a few bones* yikes, I'm actually delurking so often, it doesn't count as a delurk anymore! :) Ah well, with a subject like Firesong to deal with... ;) Cennyyd wrote about Firesong: :But he is responsible for his :own actions. He is an intelligent and sensitive person. he would be a more :pleasant friend than someone who has no self-esteem, uses their :intelligence/power to hurt others on a regular basis, etc Yes, I agree with you. Like other supporters of the beleaguered one (ie Singer of Fire *chuckles*), I _do_ see that he's vain, arrogant, etc. (I'm young, I'm not stupid) What I don't see is how anyone could get annoyed by it. I mean, this guy is a genius, why don't we cut him some slack? imo, he's allowed to whine a bit, for all the work he's done. His vanity/whining/pride/etc just make him all the more human. I think that's useful for an outsider in Valdemar, to show others that he's not all that different after all. I think that because he's arrogant and a peacock, that he's not seen as a god or a marble statue. He's seen as a guy with problems about loneliness, and emotions. Fact is, I liked the guy (he's certainly got PR down pat) much better than I liked Vanyel. (yes, Van, Shadowstalker, blah blah blah, not the server) He appears much less intimidating somehow. Yes, I see the cat relationship coming in, but I happen to _like_ cats coz they behave like that. ;) :Hmmm. In fact, I'll broaden that. I hope that every single person on :this list (and maybe in the world) finds at least one person, and :preferrably several, who will put them on a pedestal. Pedestals are :wonderful places to be. We should all be so lucky. yeah. *wistful look* Though we shouldn't all get that proud and vain. Maybe pedestals are bad for the soul, but hey, can't you at least envy Firesong for the way he's got real friends? ( ) Wind to thy Wings <==-+AT+-==> Shadowblade, mindmate to Raul | | Fairgove elven archer >>~~~> | | High Priestess of the Goddess of Elves and Unicorns and OOPS | | Singer of Fire, Member of the Mistic Circle \/ OOUH Advocate of the entire Urban Fantasy group! :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 18:40:15 GMT From: "Lyssa Knox" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: HELP!!!!!! Message-ID: <19990518184016.58538.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Heyla! *Silverwing pokes her head out of the mountain of homework and e-mail she is buried in, and screams "HELP!!!!!!!!"* I am having trouble with the list-mail, and I was wondering if maybe any of the oldbies out there know a way to reduce the time you spend reading it. (there probably isn't but hey! why not try!) *Sliverwing mutters "busy sheep to all" and begins to wallow through her pile of e-mail Silverwing (hopeful) Goddess of Insanity and Stick People ********************************************** it's not easy being green -Kermit the Frog ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 15:27:09 -0400 From: Alinea To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Firesong Message-ID: <3741BF0D.7A38EE03-+AT+-geocities.com> > :Hmmm. In fact, I'll broaden that. I hope that every single person on > :this list (and maybe in the world) finds at least one person, and > :preferrably several, who will put them on a pedestal. Pedestals are > :wonderful places to be. We should all be so lucky. > > yeah. *wistful look* Though we shouldn't all get that proud and vain. Maybe > pedestals are bad for the soul, but hey, can't you at least envy Firesong > for the way he's got real friends? Personally, I think pedstals are bad...speaking from personal experience. I've been up on one for as long as I can remember, and I'm dying to get off. People's expectations of you get raised to dizzing heights, and they get that much more disappointed in you when you fall short. Anyway, that's a soapbox of mine ;) Thanx to all of you who have filled me in on current events...(the only reason I have time to check my e-mail is 'cause I put off my homework until a class or two before I've gotta turn it in!) Well, happy, fat, marshmallow sheep to all! Alinea Songwind -+AT+-}--`-}-,-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 16:10:05 EDT From: EarthSongW-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Firesong Message-ID: <16ecece5.2473231d-+AT+-aol.com> In a message dated 5-18-99 3:07:06 PM Central Daylight Time, alsongwind-+AT+-geocities.com writes: << Personally, I think pedstals are bad...speaking from personal experience. I've been up on one for as long as I can remember, and I'm dying to get off. People's expectations of you get raised to dizzing heights, and they get that much more disappointed in you when you fall short. Anyway, that's a soapbox of mine ;) >> In some ways i agree with this. I am always placed on a pedestal by most of my peers, so when i can't do something, or don't know something, or swear everyone gets shocked. It can be annoying, but at the same time, its great for my ego... :) Being adored and believed to be wonderful by everyone does have good points too, it opens up doors. As i once wrote, "being the prodigal son has its advantages." ~~EarthSong~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 21:46:37 PDT From: "Sorana Stargem" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Vanyel and a few other things Message-ID: <19990519044640.96471.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Heyla all! Sunny wrote: > Who is the >character you like the least. I'll star it off. I really dislike Vanyel >and Stefen. I don't know why I have just never really cared for them. If >you asked me they seemed a lttle whiny. Just my personal opinion though. Ah, a personal opinion. Not much I can do about that. I try to respect people's personal opinions anyway so I'm not even going to try. However, since I _am_ a Knight of the OAM, I do have to say something. So, here it is: Vanyel really wasn't very whiny. I _think_ that he was at his most whiny during MPawn, but given the circumstances, I really don't blame him. I don't even consider it whining though. After that, there was the one time in the beginning of MPromise, _but_ he did realize that he was whining and apologized. I can't think of anything after that, and that is the only time I have ever considered him to whine anyway. And why is a Knight of the OAM freely saying that Van did, in fact, whine? Because I can't protect him from the truth. Vanyel _did_ whine in MPromise. In the same exact part of the book he asked why he turned into a bratty sixteen year old when he was tired (I feel I must mention that he wasn't merely tired, he was completely tapped out. Drained. Running on empty. It was a pure miracle that he managed to save Tashir, kill all the whatstheirname? Mavelans?, save both Lineas and Baires from the aforementioned Mavelans, _and_ finally finish dealing with Tylendel's suicide). That was obviously a reference to the way he was in MPawn. Now I guess I'll put in my two cents about Stefan. I liked him! I liked him better than 'Lendel. I do like 'Lendel too, he's a close second. I didn't find Stefan whiny and can't think of any time he could be classified as such except _maybe_ for the time when he was nearly pulling his hair out before he and Van _finally_ got together, and the trip North to stop Master Dark. I wouldn't count either of those times personally. Talia Alana Riverdance wrote: >Vanyel seems selfish too. I hate the way he doesn't want to be >friends >with anyone >because he's afraid they'll die. Doesn't he ever think of himself?? Ahem. You do realize that you just contradicted yourself there don't you? Unless I'm wrong in thinking that in order to be selfish you have to think of yourself. Which could be. I don't know who my least favorite character is. Melles? He seems as good a one as any to dislike. Liss wrote: >Sorana: You're right, it's good to see another Washingtonian on here. BTW >- >Good ol' Senator Gorty's at it again. Attaching a rider for a strip mine >to a >military and humanitarian aid bill. *sigh* Ugh. That's just _wrong_. Somehow I'm not surprised though. :P On the subject of ways of looking at the world: Cennyd, good for you! Keep on being a Pollyanna. Unfortunately, I don't think I'll be able to join you. Me, I know that the world is a mess. I couldn't avoid knowing if I tried. However, I work very hard to stay optimistic about it all. If I didn't, I'd spend all my time weeping, which I couldn't stand. I believe very firmly that we _can_ change the world for the better and I dream of a perfect world. While I know that a perfect world is not possible (even in the society of the book 2150 A.D. they had an island where life was awful), I still dream. I guess I'm rather idealistic. :) I like all the quotes that people have been writing to show something of their views. I have quotes too! Mine can pretty much all be found in song lyrics-some of them are actually the whole song. I won't put them all down that'd take to much time, just a couple of them. "I get knocked down, but I get up again/You're never gonna keep me down/I get knocked down, but I get up again/You're never gonna keep me down" --Chumbawumba 'Tubthumping' "What is the night/Darkness around you/Why not take heart/In the new day/Ever and always/Always and ever/No one can promise a dream for you/Life gave both darkness and dreams to you." --Enya 'Once You Had Gold' Ooo! Here's a good one! "We came out from the deep/To learn to love, to learn how to live/We came out from the deep/To avoid the mistakes we made./That's why we are here!/We came out from the deep/To help and understand, but not to kill/It take many lives till we succeed/To clear the debts of many hundred years./That's why we are here!" --Enigma 'Out From the Deep' All right, I'll be good and not quote the whole of 'Return to Innocence'. In fact, I'll be even better and not quote anything else until my sig. :) I think I'll sign off now, in fact. I'm missing Thumb Wars: The Phantom Cuticle on T.V. See you all later! Stars light your path, Sorana S. Stargem Herald-trainee, %-+AT+-"So free for a moment High Priestess to the Goddess%-+AT+-Lost somewhere between the earth and of Unicorns, %-+AT+-the sky Goddess of Flions, %-+AT+-So free for a moment Knight of Amber and Marigold,%-+AT+-Lost because I want to be lost Knight of the OOUH %-+AT+-Don't try to find me" --The Martinis http://www.angelfire.com/wa/mylagoon/index.html _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1970 **********************************