MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1976

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: Star Wars
	by dennis-+AT+-jmf.org.ph
  2) MIST: how to unsub (Re: Goodbye and unsub ?)
	by "Eleonora Scoseria" <eleonora-+AT+-infodynamics.com.uy>
  3) Message from Internet
	by stephanie coombes <106365.1242-+AT+-compuserve.com>
  4) sheepish councilor (Re: MIST: how to unsub (Re: Goodbye and unsub ?))
	by "Eleonora Scoseria" <eleonora-+AT+-infodynamics.com.uy>
  5) Re: Star Wars
	by ladyember-+AT+-email.com
  6) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 1975
	by MacFey <macfey-+AT+-yahoo.com>
  7) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 1974
	by MacFey <macfey-+AT+-yahoo.com>
  8) Minor Fluff and a Goodbye...
	by Liss <half_asleep-+AT+-usa.net>
  9) Re: lifebonding, other characters, spoiler thingy
	by "Tanya Evans" <tlevans-+AT+-home.com>
 10) lifebonds
	by "ambermoon starshadow" <ambermoon00-+AT+-hotmail.com>

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Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 01:25:08 +0000
From: dennis-+AT+-jmf.org.ph
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Star Wars
Message-ID: <MDAEMON-F199905260125.AA251699MD88053-+AT+-amdg.com.ph>


Hi!
Ambermoon wrote, > One interesting side of fantasy/sci-fi/pop culture: my religion/culture 
> teacher claims that in our society science fiction has become the myths, as 
> in stories that teach us about our culture and how to act. I think she's 
> including fantasy in that; most people don't discriminate between the two. 
> Star Wars is the classic example of this: the archtypal myth, it has all the 
> elements. Hero, coming-of- age, death, cycle, love, supernatural element; 
Interesting thought.  A couple of questions in response: First, can 
stories function as myth (teaching about culture etc.) for a society when the 
society recognizes them to be myths (fictional, i.e. untrue)?  
Second, isn't science fiction/fantasy an overly narrow categorization 
of our modern myths?  Couldn't most of our fiction fit into this 
category?
> Obmisty: Can you see Velgarth as modern myth?
Definitely.  It presents a realistic portrayal of humanity with an 
idealistic twist; that element of how it ought to be.

Dedicated fan of both Star Wars and Star Trek
Sara


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Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 15:05:26 -0100
From: "Eleonora Scoseria" <eleonora-+AT+-infodynamics.com.uy>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: MIST: how to unsub (Re: Goodbye and unsub ?)
Message-ID: <000901bea6c8$68f7e8a0$0100a8c0-+AT+-montevideo.com.uy>

Hi,

just email listproc-+AT+-herald.co.uk

Subject: blank (or if you cannot leave it blank type anything)
Body: unsubscribe mercedes-lackey <your name or email addy>

Cheers and I hope you get back to us soon,

Ele
Councilor of Mist


----- Original Message -----
From: <Rachesqka-+AT+-aol.com>
To: <eleonora-+AT+-infodynamics.com.uy>
Sent: Monday, May 24, 1999 12:01 AM
Subject: Goodbye and unsub ?


> Hello listsibs,
> This is a question and a formal goodbye, or maybe see you later. I
> don't spend nearly as much of my time during the summer on the computer as
I
> do while I'm at school so I shall be taking my leave of all my list-sibs.
I
> must say that I enjoyed our conversations for the short  while that I was
> here, especially since no one in my RL reads Misty but me. So, thank you
for
> that.
> And I forgot how to unsubscribe, and as I don't have the Newbiefest
> or Auntie Mel's rules if thumb on hand, I can't go look it up, otherwise I
> would and wouldn't bother to ask you. So if someone could kindly e-mail me
> with it, preferabley off-list, and with it in the subject title so I don't
> accidentally delete it, it would be much appreciated.
>
> Sheep-shaped Imperial Walkers to all my list-sibs,
> Zhai'helleva,
> and
> May the Force be with you,
>
> Starshadow and Trin of the Clan K'Connecticut
> Royal Defender of the Brat


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Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 14:33:07 -0400
From: stephanie coombes <106365.1242-+AT+-compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk" <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Message from Internet
Message-ID: <199905251433_MC2-7708-75B-+AT+-compuserve.com>

i'm going through a bad patch.
e'g my long term boyfriend has just dumped me and i havent been feeling
very chatty.
sorry, i'll try but i'm extremely depressed at the moment.
Luv
Saver

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Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 16:12:25 -0100
From: "Eleonora Scoseria" <eleonora-+AT+-infodynamics.com.uy>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: sheepish councilor (Re: MIST: how to unsub (Re: Goodbye and unsub ?))
Message-ID: <000901bea6d1$c38065a0$0100a8c0-+AT+-montevideo.com.uy>

Ele blushes a deep crimson and hides.
Eeeeeeeeeep! I cannot believe I did what I did. I was going to really send
that to Starshadow in private and I forgot to paste the right recipient.
I have been overworking and undersleeping, and I guess what I did doesn't
surprise me, but....I am sooooooooo sorry.

/me offers sheep-shaped chocolate eclairs in profuse apology.

ObMisty: Hmmm....(this IS gonna be lame but kinda appropriate)....we know
that Tarma used Kal'enedral exercises to remain awake while discussing plans
with Idra and what'is'name (the Lord Marshal)...do Heralds have something
similar?

Sheepish hugs,

Ele
the once relatively lucid Councilor of Mist


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Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 15:44:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: ladyember-+AT+-email.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Star Wars
Message-ID: <990525154414BI.28243-+AT+-webc01.globecomm.net>

Heyla all! 

I think I am starting to figure out how to "braid..."


 ambermoon wrote: 
    The devoted Trekker squawks indignantly: Hey! I love Star Trek! 

:Ember blushes.: Really, I have a good excuse for not loving Star Trek. My entire family are Trekkers. I was almost named Savik. I am *supposed* to love Star Trek. Consequently, I don't. :)

Ambermoon also said,
>    One interesting side of fantasy/sci-fi/pop culture: my religion/culture 
> teacher claims that in our society science fiction has become the myths, as 
> in stories that teach us about our culture and how to act. (...)
> Obmisty: Can you see Velgarth as modern myth?


Yes! Yes, yes, yes! There are lots of things that I would call modern mythology. I just did a project, about popular culture and mythology for school. But I would definately include Velgarth in that...

Let's see, what else...? I still haven't gotten Silver Gryphon yet, but I plan on reading it. That is the only Velgarth book left that I haven't read...!

Oh, a question. Does anyone else here like the Bardic Voices books? They were the first Misty books I ever read. I just wondered if anyone else liked them too.

That's about it for now. Except...who are the 'Singers of Fire'? I'll bet, (being the logical person that I am) that it has something to do with Firesong?

Wind to thy wings, all!

Lady Ember Echosinger

The Choreographically Challenged 
{Jedi knight in training}

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Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 13:20:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: MacFey <macfey-+AT+-yahoo.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 1975
Message-ID: <19990525202026.3729.rocketmail-+AT+-web104.yahoomail.com>


Heyla listsibs.... 

Greetings from land of the Fey where I've been hanging
out all day.  Classes have been out for a couple weeks
and I'm actually beginning to catch up on some things
and thinks... <<sigh>> 

OK  down to business....
> Julia Gray wrote:
> << My contemplation led to this thought: We all know
> that the
> manifestation of certain gifts, or even an increase
> in heraldic
> candidates, can be indication of trouble ahead. 
> Could not the appearance
> of more lifebondings also be the same?  Although
> lifebondings are not
> easy, perhaps the support such a pairing offers is
> necessary in troubled
> times - so more lifebondings take place.>>
> 
> And Paige answered:
> <<Okay, playing the debate game here ;-)  How would
> having lifebonds help?
> In troubled times aren't more Heralds likely to die?
>  It's been said that
> when one of a bonded pair dies the other usually
> follows s if a lifebonded
> Herald dies and he/she takes his/her partner with
> them, that's makes it
> dangerous for Valdemar, does it not?>>
> 
> then Typo responded...

> I dunno...the powers that be in Valdemar never
> seemed overly concerned
> with Herald death.  Heralds die all the time - the
> point of generating
> Heralds with needed Gifts at the proper times seemed
> to have more to do
> with what their lives could do to benefit Valdemar. 
> If a lifebond was
> necessary to make one of those needed Gifts more
> stable, then maybe that
> would account for it.  If death meant losing two
> Heralds instead of one
> and this loss was outweighed by their collective
> benefit to
> Valdemar...<shrug>
> 	This is all for the sake of argument, BTW.  Im of
> the opinion that
> lifebonds are bonds between the souls of the
> characters & don't have much
> if anything to do with Gifts or physical presence
>  

for the worth of my opinion.... I understand the life
bond between two persons to be stablizing bringing
strength to each of them.  If more heralds are needed,
and more are called, a higher percentage would tend to
be unstable <<pure math>> and would need the
stabilizing effects of the life bond.  Granted this
would put the two in double the danger, but if the
more powerful mage <therefore more unstable> is
stablized then they would be better protected.  <<not
too sure if this is making any sense so I will stop
now>>


> 
> Here's a total non-OBmisty and is not a spoiler:
> Y'all have to The Mummy....Brendan Fraser is a BABE
> and so is Oded Fehr...the guy with the tatoos on his
> face. Throw me on his camel and I'll ride off into
> the sunset with him anyday...sigh...  HE (he has no
> website!!! Aargch!!) could play Darkwind and Brendan
> Fraser could be Daren.  Yeah , I know...this is
> totally DTD but they are amazing peices of eyecandy.
>  sigh..........
> 
HOO RAH!!!!  Brandon Fraser is EYECANDY at any time
<<I will have to see this movie now although I do not
like horror flicks>>


> To make up for that, here's an
> Obmisty...(alright..it's kinda lame, but it's been
> bugging me for a while)
> Was Vanyel's hair white?  I know it was black to
> begin with but the Tayledras all had white hair due
> to their living with magic, and seeing as how
> Vanyel's Gifts were blown (well, torpedoed would be
> a better word but they didn't have torpedoes on
> Velgarth) open and that he was a very strong mage,
> his hair should have turned white by the time of the
> last book. (Stormlight hefts a shield in front of
> her to protect her from the OAM...I'm not insulting
> him...just being curious (yeah, I know it killed
> that cat!!) :):):)....) 
> 
I don't have any texev... but I do recall him having
while locks... one of his family members commented on
it in the 3rd LHM book... <<grumbling I do need to
reread them again... grinning... Vanyel/Lyndel
<sigh>>> 


> 
> Stormlight...
> NightEagle qouted....
> "'... The voice of the Great Spirit is heard in the
> twittering of birds,
> the rippling of mighty waters, and the sweet
> breathing of flowers. If this
> is Paganism, then at present, at least, I am a
> Pagan.'" (Gertrude Simmons
> Bonnin (Zitkala-Sa) (1876-1938): Dakota Sioux)
> 
> If this is Paganism, then sign me up.  I guess I'm a
> Pagan..    
ME TOO...  <<grinn>> 


OK... I know it wasn't much... but I will get back in
the groove... <<shaking head to clear the cobwebs off
the misty section>> 


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Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 13:57:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: MacFey <macfey-+AT+-yahoo.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 1974
Message-ID: <19990525205744.28773.rocketmail-+AT+-web130.yahoomail.com>


heyla AGAIN!!!!!  YEAH!!!!  

please bear with me as I attempt to clear my box by
responding instead of deleting relunctantly...



> 
> Shadowlight said...
>  - i was mulling over the difference btwn 
> > scifi and fantasy and i thought that although a sf
> book might ahve sort-of 
> > magic _and_ technology, the "magic" is usually
> quantified and scientifically 
> nearby table]
> 
heyla shadowlight... welcome to the world of
Speculative Fiction... for more information try this
site <a href="http://www.otherworlds.net"> other
worlds</a>.  It explains the differences between
Fantasy and Sci-fi under the topic Genre, giving
examples of the types of books that qualify in such
catagories such as: fantasy, soft sf, time travel,
hard sf, gritty fantasy, dark fantasy, universes,
majikal worlds, heroic fantasy, historical fantasy,
cyber punk, aliens, science fantasy, space opera
<<STAR WARS IS LISTED HERE>> 

that might help <grin> 




NightEagle wrote:

> 
> M
> A
> G
> E
> 
> S
> T
> O
> R
> M
> S
> 
> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
> 
> I'd also like to see the story of Karal and Natoli
> go farther and see what
> comes of thier combination of vocations- engineering
> and a priest... *big
> smile* and learn more of the books from Ulrich too;
> not to mention more
> about our favorite vain peacock-Firesong with his
> beloved Silverfox. 
> Just finished reading the storms series  can ya
> tell???
> 
> 
Personally I would love to see a whole series on Karal
of the storms he was the one who held my attention the
most.  I could really see a meeting of minds there and
would like to know how it developed...

and anything about Firesong is welcome <grin>
((thinking wistfully of a nude ceterfold pullout of
him)) ok my fantasy.. <grin>
> 
> E
> N
> D
> 
> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
> 
> 

oh by golly gee... a obmisty...  um... ok...I've been
loosely following the witch thread... and have a
question... do you think a person not pagen inclined
can write using it in a persuasive/convinceing way
using research alone?    personally I do not believe
one has to be a witch or warlock or wizard to write
using elements of these beliefs... so whatever misty's
personal beliefs maybe is not my consern... <<GGRRRR
i'm rambling again... time to stop>>


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Date: 25 May 99 14:20:51 PDT
From: Liss <half_asleep-+AT+-usa.net>
To: Mercedes Lackey Mailing List <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Minor Fluff and a Goodbye...
Message-ID: <19990525212052.22850.qmail-+AT+-nwcst057.netaddress.usa.net>

Bright the day, Listsibs!

Greetings from the land of confused weather!  Lemme see,
rain...sunshine...clouds...rain...wind...sun... (All of that in about 10
minutes!)  Like Sorana Stargem, I live in Rain Central, Western Washington
State.  Oh, the joy of life in the great Pacific NW.  

It looks like I'm going to have to unsubscribe from this list.  I've got some
really major things going on and I _have_ to cut down on my level of mail
(just so it can go up again).  I've really enjoyed being here and I'll miss
you all!  Hopefully I can come back after things settle down.

May your summer be filled with your wildest dreams, may you live in
interesting times, and may you sleep on sheep-shaped pillows (*g* I had to
throw in a sheep and sleep!)

Zhai'helleva!
Liss


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Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 17:40:24 -0400
From: "Tanya Evans" <tlevans-+AT+-home.com>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: lifebonding, other characters, spoiler thingy
Message-ID: <001101bea6f7$32a416a0$23040618-+AT+-baycty1.mi.home.com>


----- Original Message -----
From: Julia Gray <jgray-+AT+-oakton.edu>
To: <tlevans-+AT+-home.com>
Sent: Monday, May 24, 1999 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: lifebonding, other characters, spoiler thingy


> Paige wrote:
>
> > But how many at in one time period.  There are currently (I think) only
> >   three lifebonded couples. Sherril and Keren, Talia and Dirk and
Selenay
> >   and Daren.
> >
> aren't kero and ....(blanking on name) lifebonded?
>
> You're right, though, that there aren't that many at one time.  I forget,
when
> reading the books that there are many different time periods that are
covered.

Don't forget Elspeth and Darkwind, IIRC they are lifebonded too.

-
Ellevaranachai Shay'Nara'Val
Herald Trainee, but Bard wannabe =>
Rethwellan by Nature, Chosen by Virtue


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Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 18:54:36 PDT
From: "ambermoon starshadow" <ambermoon00-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: lifebonds
Message-ID: <19990526015437.77402.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>

Dark the Night (it isn't day),

   Sorry no quotes, but people have been asking about lifebonds. It has 
always been my firm belief that Kero and Eldan are lifebonded; major piece 
of evidence being the dreams during the ten years they were apart. I don't 
see how they could have communicated in dreams like that without a lifebond. 
Add the fact that they fell in love really quickly (that isn't definite but 
it reminded me suspiciously of Talia with Dirk). For Elspeth and Darkwind, I 
happen to think they are lifebonded, because the story of them falling in 
love reminded me of Talia and Dirk and Vanyel and Stefen; but that one isn't 
as clear and I could be wrong. I haven't found proof either way, though.
   On the usefulness (or lack thereof) of lifebonds, whoever (bad delete 
finger) said it's to stabilize someone with a powerful Gift is probably 
right, IMNSHO. I shudder to think of what would have happened to Van without 
Tylendel/Stefen, or then to Valdemar. Same for Talia.
   Everyone keeps bringing up Stef's comment from Sorrows to argue against 
lifebonds; I would like to bring in Kris' piece from AFlight, where he 
explains that he's never in any relationships b/c he didn't want anything 
not as deep as a lifebond. And Talia respects that. Later on, Firesong takes 
a similar position and is heartily condemned for it. I wonder if Misty 
changed her mind in the interim? I personally like lifebonds, although I'm 
not one to say other relationships are meaningless.

   On another note, thank you Cynnedd for the discussion on the derivation 
of "witch". It was fascinating.

caramel-coated sheep to all,
Ambermoon
Singer of Fire
Royal Defender of the Brat


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