MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1984 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Ewan McGregor, a new candidate for Vanyel, and Black Swan by Amy Trujillo 2) sf/f as myth by Chris Robertson 3) short and sweet by Chris Robertson 4) Re: sf/f as myth/ ewan mcgregor by "You" 5) Use the Force, Vanyel!! by Jennifer Slusher 6) How tall is a companion? by Farlie Dragon 7) =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_sf=2Ff_as_myth?= by Adrianne.Cook-+AT+-wiley.com 8) sorry about the last post by Farlie Dragon 9) Re: How tall is a companion? by Adrianne.Cook-+AT+-wiley.com 10) Re: prince daren by Adrianne.Cook-+AT+-wiley.com 11) =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_ewan_mcgregor,_casting,_etc=2E?= by Adrianne.Cook-+AT+-wiley.com 12) Braid: Auras, Hooves, and Other Stuff by "Li'nia Stormdancer" 13) Re: sf/f as myth/ ewan mcgregor by DNurkTwins-+AT+-aol.com 14) Re: Use the Force, Vanyel!! by "Alexia/Sabrina" 15) Re: Writing about stuff you haven't experienced by Kenneth Allen Hyde 16) Randomness from Raven by Abigail Laughlin 17) Re: various by Sorana Stargem ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 23:15:44 -0500 From: Amy Trujillo To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Ewan McGregor, a new candidate for Vanyel, and Black Swan Message-ID: <37560169.3A8C-+AT+-southwind.net> Hela listsibs, I decided to poke my head out of lurkdom since one of my favorite actors is being discussed. I'm not sure about Ewan McGregor as Skif, but I think that he would make a pretty good Lendel. I know he's not quiet the look or the height but I just saw the movie Velvet Goldmine and I think that he could pull that character off. From what I have seen of McGregor he is willing to do any character from a british fop in Emma to heroine addicts and Jedi Knights. I don't know if anyone else has seen Velvet Goldmine but I from that movie I have a new candidate for a possible Vanyel. I think that his name is Johnathan Rhys Myers he played Brian Slade in Goldmine and he was also in the Governess and Michael Collins. He is a wonderful actor and he is just flat out beautiful. He and McGregor made a good couple in the movie and it would be interesting to se them play Van an Lendel. Hmm....OBMisty...has anyone else read The Black Swan yet.... * * * * * * * * S P O I L E R * S P A C E * * * I read it awhile ago and I hate to say it but it is the most forgetable Misty book I have ever read. None of the characters seem well drawn out and I flat out hate Sigfried. Odile's character is likable and understandable. I can understand her motives for wanting to please her father, but for such an intelligent woman she sure misses alot of what he was doing. I guess Misty wanted her to be so devoted to him that she could not see his faults, but it just made her character seem to gullaable to me. Basically I think this book is sort of like Silver Gryphon it would have made a good short story but as a novel it is very weak. * * End Spoiler * * Well that's all for now, Cherry choclate chip sheep to everyone Amy Ferret Friend Lady of All Things Missing, Especially Socks ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 23:01:27 PDT From: Chris Robertson To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: sf/f as myth Message-ID: <19990603060129.92818.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Bright the day, all; Mis[ty]use of Star Wars quotation of the day: [Tarma to the current villain-of-the-week] "Aren't you a little /short/ for an evil overlord?" I'm a bit behind in my mail [as usual] so this migt be out of date. However, i've been following the whole sf/f-as-myth thing so i want to add my few cents. In the sense that myths are allegorical stories that take place outside history adn deal with universal themes, Misty's books definitely are - she doesn't descend into allegory that often [except for the Church in Alanda being fairly obviously a metaphor for the Christian church a few centuries ago], but her books have moral issues that translate into real life - and i think Velgarth, being vaguely earthlike yet not our earth counts as 'outside history' Whether this has been done before or not [although it hasn't while i've been here - a grand total of 3 months], i was bored one night so i applied that old chestnut about Luke Skywalker being a retelling of the classic hero-myth to the LHM books. Fits pretty well: A typical adventure begins with a [painful] separation from home - Vanyel gets chucked out amid many shouting matches. The hero pledges his life to a higher cause - Heralds. Need i say more? Hero gets a partner to accompany him on all his adventures, and a mentor, like Merlin or something - Van gets a Companion, and Savil might not ahve a beard but she's wise, old and a wizard. LHM even has the common supporting characters of the "fallen knight" - think Vader - and someone who starts out with some bad qualities but ends up reaching perfection. These are combined in Tylendel/Stefen - he gets repudiated, then as Stefen he starts off grasping and selfish but ends up developing some serious altruism. The hero usually spends a lot of time in caves or similar dark recesses Confronting His Inner Demons. Van gets both the middle of the palace in Lineas in MPromise and the cave in MPrice. And both times he goes in feeling pretty awful and comes out slightly less unbalanced. [If i wanted to get all psychological, which i don't, my star wars book calls this a metaphor for rebirth.] Then he gets to comfront said inner demons /again/ in single combat with the Forces Of Darkness. [Who are usually ancient and have a tendency to pop up again after you think you've got rid of them. Ma'ar to the life.] This is pretty blatant in LHM - Van has the ice-dreams until he confronts Leareth. In most hero myths, not to mention Star Wars, there's a conflict between opposites - Van vs Leareth, Herald vs someone dressed up in black. The hero gets tempted. "Join me, and we can rule the galaxy as father and son *asthmatic breathing*" [I had a bit of textevd in mind here from the end of MPrice but [thwarted!] someone's borrowed my copy.] Vanyel never rescues any princesses [no incentive, after all] but he does get to rescue a handsome prince... Now i'm wondering whether Misty intentionally tried to make it match up 'cos it works really well. Or maybe i just watch too much star wars and i'm imagining things. [What am i saying? I /know/ i watch too much star wars...] Vanyel as Luke Skywalker - interesting thought! "Use the Force, Vanyel" There might be something in that - they do both wear silly white outfits. Anyway, chocolate sheep to anyone who stayed awake this long. Shadowlight, queen of babblers-on ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 23:38:05 PDT From: Chris Robertson To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: short and sweet Message-ID: <19990603063806.51336.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Heyla again, For those debating the height of Ewan McGregor - I saw him in Shallow Grave [really good movie, and not just for fans] in which he drove a mini. With that as a reference point he looked pretty short. However, movie people do wonderful things with tall shoes and phone books so he could play the lanky Skif if he liked - need to dye the hair though. I have another edifying and wildly uninteresting piece of information: The name Valdemar has always seemed familiar to me and i just realised why - two names for elf-lands in Tolkien are Valinor and Eldamar. And then apparently way back in Middle-Earth history there was a city called Pelargir. On that note, are there any elves in Velgarth? I am currently having a mental block. Also, does mage-energy in Velgarth come in different colours and if so, what do the colours mean? Sheep-choccies to thy outstretched hands [trying to invent as many sheep-related variations on "wind to thy wings" as i can] Shadowlight PS people who know about these things, am i allowed to be a naiad? i only want to be the resident spirit [in mind if not in body] of one particular little stream so hopefully it wouldn't impinge on any god/dess' territory. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 20:09:42 -0000 From: "You" To: Subject: Re: sf/f as myth/ ewan mcgregor Message-ID: <00dd01beadfe$3f6da000$bba015a5-+AT+-knbwubxl> Hiya! First of all, I'm watching Phantom Menace tomorrow *bounce* Can't wait... even though I _know_ it won't live up to the hype... So using that as an intro, here's the SW bit in my mail first... Shadowlight wrote: :Mis[ty]use of Star Wars quotation of the day: :[Tarma to the current villain-of-the-week] "Aren't you a little /short/ for an evil overlord?" *L* that was good... :The hero gets tempted. "Join me, and we can rule the galaxy as father and :son *asthmatic breathing*" [I had a bit of textevd in mind here from the end :of MPrice but [thwarted!] someone's borrowed my copy.] *LOL to the point of wheezing* "asthmatic breathing*?? I'd give anything to see Vader's face when you say that.... Reminds me of that MAD magazine take on SW... I think Leareth goes something like: "Join me, Herald Vanyel. Take my darkness to you." :Vanyel never rescues any princesses [no incentive, after all] but he does :get to rescue a handsome prince... hmm. yeah. *rolls eyes at the princess bit* You can't say that he didn't help out some damsels-in-distress anyway. :Now i'm wondering whether Misty intentionally tried to make it match up 'cos :it works really well. Or maybe i just watch too much star wars and i'm :imagining things. [What am i saying? I /know/ i watch too much star wars...] Hyuk hyuk. You want to know too much star wars? I had dreams of Luke finding a Gate in the middle of the space above Coruscant, and Leia sending him out in his X-Wing through the Gate, and he lands in Valdemar, around the time of Firesong and Co. Then Boom! He'd get Chosen (hey!!! don't you think he's Herald material?) but the Companion won't fit in the X-Wing, and he's got a fear of flight anyway. hyuk... :Vanyel as Luke Skywalker - interesting thought! "Use the Force, Vanyel" *chokes* :There might be something in that - they do both wear silly white outfits. Luke doesn't wear white. He wears black in RotJ, and after that, the Jedi robe is really a brown hermit's robe. Yeah yeah, that white outfit in ANH really reminded me of a Karate gi. Shadowlight also wrote: :does mage-energy in Velgarth come in different colours and if so, what :do the colours mean? I don't think so. If you mean auras, well they do give off different auras... remember that dagger in MPromise? As for the Ewan McGregor debate: You _do_ know that to make Tom Cruise look taller than Brad Pitt in Interview with the Vampire, they dug a whole in the ground for Brad Pitt to stand on? :) I mean, McGregor can't walk on telephone books throughout the filming! ;) He's good for skif, I can't think of anyone closer... As a postscript, I noticed that I left something out in the Misty Awards Nominations mail. We have another category, "Fave Series" (LHM always wins. darn), and umm. hmm. my email is shadowdancer-+AT+-deathsdoor.com , so please don't mail your noms to the list OK? "Thank you"s to the ones who have nominated already! Tangerine Sheep to everyone! ( ) Wind to thy Wings <==-+AT+-==> Shadowblade, mindmate to Raul | | Fairgove elven archer >>~~~> | | High Priestess of the Goddess of Elves and Unicorns and OOPS | | Singer of Fire, Member of the Mistic Circle \/ OOUH Advocate of the entire Urban Fantasy group! :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:02:11 -0400 From: Jennifer Slusher To: "'misty'" Subject: Use the Force, Vanyel!! Message-ID: <01BEADA1.E3275C20-+AT+-CLARB.clark.net> Heyla Listsibs...(Stormlight emerges after surviving one of the worst days for traffic in the DC Metro history). For those that don't know, a truck driver took a ramp too fast and flipped the rig. Not so bad, you say? They do it everyday...but not with 20...count 'em TWENTY tons of gun powder!!! I-95 was completely shut down for several hours. It took me an hour to get to the sitters!! Anyway, on to Misty.... About Ewan McGregor (since I started this...), I think he's fairly medium in height. Who did he play in Emma? Is it the one with Gwyneth Paltrow? I love that movie and don't remember him in it. Liam Neeson is a big man, and Ewan didn't come close to his height. I don't know about him being Vanyel or Skif...I thought Darkwind personally, who is not supposed to be that tall. Now, Daniel Day Lewis maybe for Van...he's got the hair. Have y'all seen Last of the Mohicans? The one thing I hate in movies made from books is loss of continuity. If the herione is six feet and has dark curly hair, then I want to see Geena Davis, not Courtney Cox in that role. If the hero is six feet and blond, then I want to see Val Kilmer (sigh....ooh, ooh.....Snowfire!!), not Joe Pesci in that role. Y'all know what I mean? Shadowlight wrote about SW and LHM being alike....you go, girl! It's so true. Your message made perfect sense. Plus, I was ROTFL hard... She also wrote: >.Also, does mage-energy in Velgarth come in different colours and if so, what >do the colours mean? I do recall a mention of certain mage energies being certain colors, but I cannot remember the book...sorry. I also think I saw somewhere that different mages had different colored auras. Adrianne wrote: >anyone else curious about van's other daughter? not featherfire or jisa, but >the one that went south w/ 2 of lissa's shaych guardswomen. granted, she was >only mentioned in magic's promise (magic's price, van told stef that he had >fathered 3 children), but still ... I think Van had four...doesn't featherfire have a twin? I always wondered what happened to the south bound child too. If Van's mage gift showed up in her, she should show up somewhere. At least, I think it would be neat if she did show up. Jess wrote: >When there are two rulers of Valdemar like Selany and Darren, except that >maybe they got married before they got the throne would Talia have been >Qween or King's Own? Or would there have been two or not one at all? If I'm >being confusing or just amazingly stupid, I apologize, but this has been >bothering me. Okay, I think I know what you're asking...but Talia would have been Queen's Own regardless. Selenay was already slated to become the monarch, plus it's her country not Daren's. I think that's why he gets the title "consort" and not King, plus the fact they were married after she gained the Throne. Also, the marriage was between two allies of two free standing countries, so there was no need to make Daren a co-ruler. It was done because of their lifebond. That brings up another question...in all the books, it always says "Prince Daren". If he's married to the Queen, doesn't that make him the King? Or because it's her second marriage and she's already on the throne when they meet, he stays a prince? Or is because he was never King in his own country? Or does Daren not really fill the title of "ruler", more of ambassador and liasion? Did I answer my own questions? I really am babbling. I've yet to make my daily coin offering to the Caffeine God on the second floor. Maybe I should... Anyway, I must go....Y'all have a good day.... Light-saber wielding Jedi sheep to everyone.... Stormlight ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 09:29:52 -0400 From: Farlie Dragon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: How tall is a companion? Message-ID: <012301beadc5$2a26c8e0$9c423ea6-+AT+-farlie> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_011F_01BEADA3.A23AF580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a question. How tall is a companion? say in ratio to Kero. would they stand head to head? would the companions head be taller? HELP? oh and what color are the hooves? I have to re acquire all the books and don't have any with companions in them to check . Would the Xena doll (12 inch posable figure) make a good Kero? I was thinking of Tarma but wanted a companion . lol lmk Farlie Farlie Go see the clothes for your bare bear. http://members.tripod.com/DJs_Doll_Stuff/8_9_inch/index.html http://members.tripod.com/DJs_Doll_Stuff/18_inch/index.html ------=_NextPart_000_011F_01BEADA3.A23AF580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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<= /BODY> ------=_NextPart_000_011F_01BEADA3.A23AF580-- ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jun 99 10:25 EDT From: Adrianne.Cook-+AT+-wiley.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_sf=2Ff_as_myth?= Message-ID: <375691a5Re: sf/f as myth*-+AT+-m400gw.wiley.com> eenteresting analysis of LHM. here's my 2c: i think that the themes in sw, lhm, etc are fairly universal. if you go back to (eek!) beowulf (sp, anyone?), the hero goes on a journey to answer a fundamental question, and returns home a different person. whether the journey is physical or mental, the hero goes thru some sort of growth/change. i think that the story of the hero on a quest (lancelot looking for the grail, etc) is so popular because all of us, to some extent, recognize the need in ourselves to do some sort of searching (& thereby growin g). what modern society seems to be missing is an actual transition from one stage to another (ie: adolescence to adulthood). its interesting that in the wake of our school shootings, this theme comes up again & again. sf/f explores ideas/concepts outside of modern settings --> to me, this is one of the most interesting aspects of the genre. for example, cloning is explored very well in cyteen (unashamed to plug!). any ethical/moral issues that people are discussing or trying to imagine now have been addressed by cherryh's book. back to the subject: lhm illustrates the difficulties of shaych people (& you could probably extend this further) to be appreciated for the skills they bring to the table in of themselves. i found it rather depressing (but entirely believable) that withen persisted in believing that his herald son spent his free time raping small children. he never would have assumed that of meke or his other sons, but van ... never mind that his son advised the king personally, the grandsons were locked up whenever he came to visit. this of course has modern parallels to (of all things) the us military which, as you may have heard, is having problems meeting recruitment goals, but they spend their time (& lots of $) driving out gay service members. here's another tangent (let's see what else you read!): how closely does lhm relate to robert jordan's wheel of time (main characters only, jourdan has a huge cast) -- van's journey vs. rand's? anyone? i think there are a number of parallels, which helps to illustrate the universality (is this a word?) of these themes. right. back to work. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 10:49:15 -0400 From: Farlie Dragon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: sorry about the last post Message-ID: <02d301beadd0$40e7f9e0$9c423ea6-+AT+-farlie> sorry about the mime junk. if you couldn't read it here is what I said. I have a question. How tall is a companion? say in ratio to Kero. would they stand head to head? would the companions head be taller? HELP? oh and what color are the hooves? I have to re acquire all the books and don't have any with companions in them to check . Would the Xena doll (12 inch posable figure) make a good Kero? I was thinking of Tarma but wanted a companion . lol lmk Farlie Go see the clothes for your bare bear. http://members.tripod.com/DJs_Doll_Stuff/8_9_inch/index.html http://members.tripod.com/DJs_Doll_Stuff/18_inch/index.html ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jun 99 10:58 EDT From: Adrianne.Cook-+AT+-wiley.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: How tall is a companion? Message-ID: <37569969Re: How tall is a companion?*-+AT+-m400gw.wiley.com> hooves are silver (gwenna is rather indignant when darkwind calls her "grey-hooved" in winds of fate). size-wise, i guess they'd be comparable to horses of the time --> anyone know how hands translate to feet or meters? "mercedes-lackey/-+AT+-herald.co.uk" on 06/03/99 10:26:36 AM To: adrianne cook-+AT+-wiley cc: Subject: How tall is a companion? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_011F_01BEADA3.A23AF580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a question. How tall is a companion? say in ratio to Kero. would they stand head to head? would the companions head be taller? HELP? oh and what color are the hooves? I have to re acquire all the books and don't have any with companions in them to check . Would the Xena doll (12 inch posable figure) make a good Kero? I was thinking of Tarma but wanted a companion . lol lmk Farlie Farlie Go see the clothes for your bare bear. http://members.tripod.com/DJs_Doll_Stuff/8_9_inch/index.html http://members.tripod.com/DJs_Doll_Stuff/18_inch/index.html ------=_NextPart_000_011F_01BEADA3.A23AF580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have a = question. How=20 tall is a companion? say in ratio to Kero. would they stand head to = head? would=20 the companions head be taller? HELP?
oh and what color = are the=20 hooves? I have to re acquire all the books and don't have any with = companions in=20 them to check .
Would the Xena doll = (12 inch=20 posable figure) make a good Kero? I was thinking of Tarma but wanted a = companion=20 .. lol
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Farlie
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<= /BODY> ------=_NextPart_000_011F_01BEADA3.A23AF580-- ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jun 99 11:35 EDT From: Adrianne.Cook-+AT+-wiley.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: prince daren Message-ID: <3756a20dRe: prince daren*-+AT+-m400gw.wiley.com> i think we'll have to ask people who actually have monarchs, or else go & research the darn stuff ... i'm just punting here, but i'd say that daren isn't king because he isn't the ruler. thanel wasn't king either. selenay is queen because her father was the king, but was her mother the queen, or consort? ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jun 99 11:49 EDT From: Adrianne.Cook-+AT+-wiley.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_ewan_mcgregor,_casting,_etc=2E?= Message-ID: <3756a5f6Re: ewan mcgregor, casting, etc.*-+AT+-m400gw.wiley.com> since you mentioned it ... i absolutely hate it when actors are cast that look nothing like the characters they're supposed to play!!!! while tom cruse was surprisingly good as lestat, i spent lots of time wincing whenever antonio banderas was on screen. nice guy, looks pretty good, but as armand??? forget it! armand was described (fairly consistently) as a short adolescent redhead. banderas didn't fit at all!!! if actors fit the part except for hair/eyes, that can be changed, but to go sooo strongly against the character - ugh. translating books to movies: i read the crow long before hollywood got into the game, and the translation to screen was powerful, but rather jarring in some parts (the flashbacks). over all, since i saw the movie for free, i felt it was worthwhile. would i have paid full price for it? probably not. a lot of depth and characterization was lost in the translation -- this probably happens whenever books go to screen. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 21:05:58 GMT From: "Li'nia Stormdancer" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Braid: Auras, Hooves, and Other Stuff Message-ID: <19990603210559.11647.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Zhai'helleva List-Sibs! *Li'nia walks slowly into the Arena of Discussion and Dissention, looks around at the mess, and shakes her head... "Too many sheep, not enough brooms..."* Lucky you; I've been busy and haven't been able to post lately.... LOL Let's see....someone was talking about colors of auras. Can't remember if that was applied to Velgarth or Misty's works in general. I know that in her Urban fantasies, people's auras change color based on their emotions and current situation (like Ross Canfield at the beginning of BtR). I don't recall if that's the same in her Velgarth books as well... Someone else asked about size of Companions, and the color of their hooves. I don't recall any specific height/weight descriptions, but I'd guess about the size of an average, non-draft horse. Their hooves are silver, and have an almost musical quality to their sound (IIRC). I encourage everyone to put in their nominations for the Misty Awards for this year. I think it's interesting to get a poll of what everyone thinks. I've already done so! Also, someone else asked why Daren was just a Consort, and not a King, even though he'd been Chosen. I think it was just because Selenay was born to the role. That was a very political union, too, even though it was rooted in love. And in the event of co-Rulers, someone like Talia would still have been needed, but the title would be Monarch's Own, I think. Have to have someone standing a little off from the Royal Couple to help look at situations. Sorry if I'm rambling, but I'm running on caffeine, as I've been up since 5am yesterday, and it's currently 6am here today. Duty is a wonderful thing..... And it's good to be back! (You may not think so, but I do!!!) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "Variety is the spice of life." - my father =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ~~Li'nia Stormdancer~~Stormdance k'T'more y Kuus~~Peon to the Powers That Be~~Devotee to the OoUH~~(Hopeful) Goddess of All Things Possessed~~Mindmate to Styx A'ska~~Caretaker of the Arena of Discussion and Dissention~~ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 17:16:33 EDT From: DNurkTwins-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: sf/f as myth/ ewan mcgregor Message-ID: <4abadfb3.24884ab1-+AT+-aol.com> Shadowlight wrote: >.Also, does mage-energy in Velgarth come in different colours and if so, what >do the colours mean? well, i haev no idea what they mean, but they do have colors. remeber in storm warning, when karal makes an'desha angry to show that his feelings wouldn't hurt him? karal said that the colors swirling around his fingers were blues, yellows, scarlets, etc (i dont have the book w/ me so i cant remeber exactly what it said. and karal said that if he could see it, those energies were pretty strong, so maybe there r other colors visible to only people w/ the mage gift. also, in that series, they talk of how adepts like firesong need to have shields so they cant see magic around them all the time (i think taht was in storm rising told by sejanes to karal) and whoever asked this, sorry but i cant find where i read this any where!:: the color of the companions hoofs are silver- when karal is journeying from karse to valdemar, he writes a lot about the appearance of companions, and one of the things he mentions is the silver sheen to the hoofs and the bell-like tone in which they ring when they hit the road (this is before he knows that it is a companion- he is comparing it to trenor, his own horse) well, thats all for now. chocolate-covered sheep mints for everyone! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 21:51:58 +0100 From: "Alexia/Sabrina" To: Subject: Re: Use the Force, Vanyel!! Message-ID: <03f901beae0b$425cbdc0$72cc28c3-+AT+-oemcomputer> >That brings up another question...in all the books, it always says "Prince Daren". If he's married to the Queen, doesn't that make him the King? A consort, at least in english royalty, is ONLY a prince because he is NOT an equal ruler with the queen. I know this is a old thread, but I always enjoy it and hearing from the newbies that have joined since we last discussed it... What is your favourite Misty book? By the Sword is mine, followed by Magic's Pawn... but I just think Kero is really great. I must admit I didn't like the oath books overly much and the Gryphon books weren't nearly as fun as storms and winds... Arrows... well it's hard to tell because I really don't like Talia at all... I like her in Storms though- she doesn't strike me as the same person though... Anyway... short but I'm brain-dead. Alexia ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 20:37:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenneth Allen Hyde To: Misty Lackey List Subject: Re: Writing about stuff you haven't experienced Message-ID: On Wed, 2 Jun 1999 dennis-+AT+-jmf.org.ph wrote: > Lightsong wrote: > Anyone who thinks that they can understand abuse, especially child > abuse (I say that because a child cannot understand the situation like > an adult can, although abuse of an adult is still horrible), is > completely wrong. Then dennis-+AT+-jmf.org.ph wrote: > Understanding the pain/fear/despair/humilation of abuse cannot be > understood without experience, true. But it can be described. I > have never personally experienced the agony of having an alcoholic > parent, so I can't understand how it feels. I have to disagree with both of these statements. There is a difference between understanding and living. I can understand what my friends have gone through and what the events in their lives have done to them, even though I haven't lived their lives. I have a friend who was abused in subtle ways for most of her life (and who continues to be abused, although she will not face that fact). Knowing that, I can understand why she behaves the way she does, and I can empathize with how she felt then and feels now. My friends can understand the things that happened in my life, and can understand how they affected me. However, even the ones who had very similar things happen to them did not live *my* life and cannot experience my past in the same way that I experienced it. I cannot experience their past in the same way that they experienced it. Does that mean that they don't understand me and I don't understand them? No, of course not. It means that we are not the same people and we have not lived the same lives. However, we can use our imagination and empathy so that we can figure out how the other person must have felt in a given situation (based on what they have told us and how they have told it) and we can make intelligent predictions about how situations will affect each other in the future. That is the heart of understanding, and it is very different from "living" something. This is also why people read an account (fictional or factual) of something that they themselves have experienced and can come away saying "that isn't right; that isn't what it's like." They would be better to say, "that isn't what I felt and this description does not accurately portray *my* experience." But they should remember that the Individual is never the same as the General. Indeed, I think that some of the cases where a writer fails to communicate something crucial on an emotional level may be because the writer has made the mistake of using the Individual experience. As an example, take one of my favorite books to dislike: Jinx High. Misty wrote this book based on her impressions of my hometown (hers also, of course). For me, when I read the book, I was annoyed and appalled at her characterizations of the people and places in Tulsa, Jenks, and Broken Arrow. I found myself wondering if she really lived in Tulso, even. This was because her description was based on the Individual level; the characterizations were *her* feelings and impressions. Her experience is not mine. When she presented it as the General, my own Individual response was to reject it completely, since it neither matched my Individual experience, or my General impression, of Tulsa and its environs. A good writer has to work from the General, since the Individual will never be fully recognized or familiar to any audience. That is why Universals are so prevalent in literature: they are the most General of possible themes. As an afternote, perhaps the reason that accounts of dealing with the aftermath of child abuse (or any other sort of abuse) usually don't ring true or fail to satisfy is that they are inherently Individual experiences. Treating with them on the General or Universal level necessarily robs them of the immediacy that is the heart of the experience and the core of the problems that follow after the abuse. May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd Councilor of Mist Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me //www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/prof/ken.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 18:42:27 PDT From: Abigail Laughlin To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Randomness from Raven Message-ID: <19990604014228.66338.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Okay, before I start the bulk of my post, let me get this out of the way. People who are offended by excessive impatience or displays of temper, skip this bit. T e m p e r T a n t r u m Kero and Eldan are *not* lifebonded, do you people hear me? KeroAndEldanAreNotLifebonded! Eeeeeyagh! *pant, pant* There. That's better. E n d T e m p e r T a n t r u m Thank you. I'll attempt to be calm(ish) and rational (hah!) for the rest of this post. Seriously, though--Kero and Eldan are not lifebonded. They're not. Funky mental antics does not equal lifebond. Misty agrees with me. As to the dreams--why the hell *couldn't* they have had shared dreams? Kero had an amazingly strong, fine-tuned Gift of Mindspeech--Eldan remarked on it. He himself was no featherweight. They were positively *sappy* in love with each other but she'd left him--with no goodbyes--because she felt like she was going to get him killed. Can we say 'unrequited,' folks? I knew we could. And then there's the fact that Kero was working herself into the ground and was not always entirely sober when she went to bed. That wouldn't hinder her Gift, just her control, and if *she* was fighting the dreams I'm pretty damn sure Eldan was not. Wintershard said most of this in a much more calmly written mail. But no, they are not, are not, are not lifebonded. Nope, nope, nope. I have strong feelings on the subject. I'm fairly sure Elspeth and Darkwind weren't lifebonded either. For one thing, had they been, don't you think Darkwind or Elspeth would have noticed it? And wouldn't it have become a point of contention when either of them was fussing about what to do with the relationship? But Elspeth and Darkwind, I am not so concerned about. Kero and Darkwind are not lifebonded. Those are my final words on that subject. ______________________________________________________________________ Yo, Shadowblade. I live. I so does the cast list, apparently. Okaybie, folks, the cast list is up at www.angelfire.com/ky/Ashke/casting.html. You want your suggestions posted on it, email them to me *privately* at abbykat-+AT+-hotmail.com. Do not trust me to pick them off the list. I won't. I'd very much like to link pictures to the names. But I haven't the time to hunt them down. So, if you guys have pictures, email them to me or tell me where I can download them, and I'll get them. ______________________________________________________________________ That, I believe, is all I have to say just at present. But I am very much here, and I root through my email every day or thereabouts. Oh. Anybody who wants to beta-read my story, which I have just recently finished and am fine-tuning to sell, lemme know. Criticism (contructive only, please, as though I had to ask) is welcome/encouraged. Zha'hai'allav'a, Raven Darkblade and Mor the raven, Holy Hand of the Goddess of Elves, Member of the Mistic Circle, Webmaster of the Circle of Stone, Knight and Founding Member of the Order of Unsung Heroes; http://www.angelfire.com/ky/Ashke/ - The Labyrinth _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 22:35:57 PDT From: Sorana Stargem To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: various Message-ID: <19990604053559.47374.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Heyla all! Adrianna wrote: >i'm also wondering >about where van, stef/tylendel & yfandes went; are they going to be >"re-appearing" anytime soon? Nope. Misty is going to let them fade into the mists. Official word is that they went to Bermuda, aka the Havens. Personally, considering how fast they hightailed it out of there at the end of SB (didn't even say good bye to Karal!), I think they got reborn somewhere. Adrianna also wrote: >ok, ok, but i've got these things mostly memorized, so ... >the bleaching comes from handling node energy, which is why van & savil had >white / silver streaks. the reason why they didn't bleach out during life Okay, Savil _did_ bleach out. She wasn't _that_ old when Van first arrived after all, and she definitely had all silver hair by then. :) Amy wrote: >I don't know if anyone else has seen Velvet Goldmine but I from that >movie >I have a new candidate for a possible Vanyel. I think that >his name is >Johnathan Rhys Myers he played Brian Slade in Goldmine >and he was also in >the Governess and Michael Collins. He is a >wonderful actor and he is just >flat outbeautiful. You're going to make me go watch those movies now so I can see what he looks like aren't you? ;) Farlie wrote: >oh and what color are the hooves? I have to re acquire all the >books and >don't have any with companions in them to check . They have silver hooves. And as for Ewan McGregor, I was thinking he could be someone from the V&O books. I'll have to go read them again to remember who all the other chars were in them. But not now. I have other things to read at the mo. V&O will just have to wait. and that is quite probably the last you'll hear from me until I do read those books again. Stars light your path, Sorana S. Stargem Herald-trainee, %-+AT+-"So free for a moment High Priestess to the Goddess%-+AT+-Lost somewhere between the earth and of Unicorns, %-+AT+-the sky Goddess of Flions, %-+AT+-So free for a moment Knight of Amber and Marigold,%-+AT+-Lost because I want to be lost Knight of the OOUH %-+AT+-Don't try to find me" --The Martinis http://www.angelfire.com/wa/mylagoon/index.html _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1984 **********************************