MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2004 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) sporks, free stuff & fluff by Ari Anna 2) not fluff - haven/sexuality by Julia Gray 3) Re: not fluff - haven/sexuality by Ross Hedvicek 4) RE: not fluff - haven/sexuality by Lisa Whitman 5) RE: not fluff - haven/sexuality by Orelalaith 6) MLML Mel's Rules of Thumb by Peter Allen 7) Sporks and Shin'a'in by Lyssa Knox 8) Sporkies! by Ariel Briggs 9) Heyla by Reanna20-+AT+-aol.com 10) KoGS, StT, & OoUH by katira-+AT+-pathfindermail.com 11) fluff and goodbye! by Alia Rose 12) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 2003 by Aryenne Winterfire 13) Braid: Sporks, Shin'a'in, Thank you's, Convention, etc... by "Li'nia Stormdancer" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 13:43:42 GMT From: Ari Anna To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: sporks, free stuff & fluff Message-ID: <19990624134343.64296.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> *perks up at the mention of the Spork Empire* Finally, the empire will rise. *curtises to the high ruler of the Spork Empire* When I lived on campus I would stock up on sporks for silverware. My collection was beautiful, but sadly I replaced all of it. Ketchup, salt & napkins were also part of this collection. I still keep my stock full. Smarties? I've always loved SweetTarts better. SweetTarts melt while you drink soda & make a fizzy taste in your mouth. YUM!! ^_^ Did anyone make a map of the lands mentioned in the Valdemar series? It would be interesting to see how far the Lost Clan really was from Urtho's Tower. Wind to thy wings list-sibs, Ari_anna _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:21:15 -0500 From: Julia Gray To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: not fluff - haven/sexuality Message-ID: <377230CA.7628CF24-+AT+-oakton.edu> Okay - not fluff (although i'm more of a lurker than an active participant, i have to admit that the sudden barrage of 5-6 line fluff postings is, IMNSHO, getting annoying). I was watching that evil thing called television, on the lesser evil called public television, and caught most of a interesting piece on San Francisco and "gay" culture. (Hope I have that right now Cenydd :-) In any case . . . at one point, as I remember the show saying, the Castro area of San Francisco started to be known as the "Gay" (and here I think they used the term at that point to mean homosexual, with the development of the current connotation of a specific social aspect that some homosexuals engage not yet developed ... but I'm SURE someone will tell me if I have that wrong :-) - and people of all ages started to go there, thinking it was a paradise (note I said "thinking" it was one, not that it necessarily was one). Well, to link this to Misty ... I was wondering if Haven is thought in that same way - ie a place where homosexuality is accepted and a "mecca" of some sorts to homosexuals. just a thought. oh, and I thought of a little short story I'd like to see ... remember when kero finally goes to rethwellan, and goes on the hunt, and there's one (maybe two) lines about Lady so-and-so, who was reputed to be no mean horsewoman in her own lands, gladly joined in the hunt? I think a story from lady so-and-so's standpoint could be both enlightening and humourous. betha'lis ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:20:23 -0400 From: Ross Hedvicek To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: not fluff - haven/sexuality Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990624102023.009d5610-+AT+-olsusa.com> Please redirect this mail to listowner of this list! ---- Dear Listowner! I would like to ask you to check the list of subscribers on your list and remove my two email addresses and . I (along with several other people) became a target of a vicious prank and I, against my will, was su bscribed to more than 1600 mailing lists. In most cases the mechanics of the mailing list requires confirmation by replying (otherwise the subscription expires in a few days) but there are still several hundred lists (it seems that yours is one of them) which subscribe new subscribers without foll ow-up verification. Again - please remove and from your list database. I know it is not your fault (it is not my fault either :-) ) - and I apologize for any inconvenience and thank you for your help. Maybe a wish - please make you r list more prank-proof by putting a verification feature on it. There are still a lot of vicious idiots out there. Thank you! Ross Hedvicek P.S.: Seems that some of the listowners already noticed (see below, mail I just received)- thanks you! >At 04:54 PM 6/23/99 -0500, Polly Mumma wrote > I would like to welcome you to the Cybercat discussion list. >Unfortunately, I have found it necessary to temporarily remove your address >from the membership list. > It appears as though someone(s) is signing people up to the list without >their prior knowledge or approval. This is one of the newer forms of "spam" >on the Internet today, and, as I'm sure you can imagine, can be quite >annoying for both list owners and list members. > Unfortunately, your subscrition to the list coincided with this "spam". To >protect both you and the list, I have temporarily removed your address from >the list. As soon as I receive confirmation, that you did indeed wish to be >a member of our community (and are not a victim of this spam), I will >gladly resubscribe you to the list. > I apologize for the inconvenience this has caused. > > Polly - Cybercat List Owner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:21:51 -0700 From: Lisa Whitman To: "'mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk'" Subject: RE: not fluff - haven/sexuality Message-ID: >Well, to link this to Misty ... I was wondering if Haven is thought in that same way - ie >a place >where homosexuality is accepted and a "mecca" of some sorts to homosexuals. >just a thought. Interesting idea, but somehow I don't think that this is the case. San Francisco (used to, at least) make a fairly big deal about having predominantly "gay" neighborhoods. That doesn't seem to come across is Haven. The feelng that I have always gotten is that it doesn't matter how you live/think/act/etc., (as long as you followed the laws, of course) - you would be welcome in Haven. But I don't think that it was a "mecca" or sorts. Star ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:47:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Orelalaith To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: RE: not fluff - haven/sexuality Message-ID: On Thu, 24 Jun 1999, Lisa Whitman wrote: The impression I got was that it was a "Haven" from ANY and ALL oppression, you know, like America like to THINK it is. :) > >Well, to link this to Misty ... I was wondering if Haven is thought in that > same way - ie >a place > >where homosexuality is accepted and a "mecca" of some sorts to homosexuals. > > >just a thought. > > Interesting idea, but somehow I don't think that this is the case. San > Francisco (used to, at least) make a fairly big deal about having > predominantly "gay" neighborhoods. That doesn't seem to come across is > Haven. The feelng that I have always gotten is that it doesn't matter how > you live/think/act/etc., (as long as you followed the laws, of course) - you > would be welcome in Haven. But I don't think that it was a "mecca" or > sorts. > > Star > * -------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Eventually we come to a point where High Science becomes indistinguishable from High Magick" -NOT misquoting A.C. Clark, CORRECTLY quoting me! * -------------------------------------------------------------------- * http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~avariel uid : hsug-+AT+-ug.cs.sunysb.edu * -------------------------------------------------------------------- * ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:32:25 -0400 From: Peter Allen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: MLML Mel's Rules of Thumb Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990624193225.00826720-+AT+-pop3.frontiernet.net> Hey all Below I've pasted Mel's Rules of Thumb for all of the newbies that have come in, plus just as a general reminder to the rest of us. These are directly from the list mistress herself, so they kinda are what we ask people to follow :). Bright be thy day in the sun, Wintershard Councilor of Mist Mel's Rules - http://www.herald.co.uk/local_info/rules_thumb.html NewbieFest - http://www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/pers/misty/newbiefest.html --- 1) Trim quoted text. Trim headers to the minimum. We're looking for something along the lines of " said:" rather than six lines of quoted header with no content. Is all of what you're quoting still relevant? We want enough left to keep track of the discussion, not its entire history. BUT -- see 1a). 1a) Preserve attributions. Try, however, to keep track of who did say what. Being misquoted is annoying; being quoted as saying something you did not, more so. 2) Think before you post. I try to read through all of the list mail that has arrived before I post; especially on the weekends, if someone has a general question, the chances are extremely good that someone else will already have answered before I see it. It is obvious that with the delays caused by processing the mail, sending it out, etc., you can't guarantee that nobody will have answered a question before you, but if a couple of days have gone past, the chances aren't bad. 2a) Keep the fluff level down. People's mail systems vary, and many people receive the mailings as a digest. The latter group, in particular, cannot just delete individual messages, and I will not tolerate people being driven from the group because they cannot keep up with the level of mail, if that level is being artificially inflated by fluff. I don't mind the occasional off-topic message, but if you're posting several such per day, consider yourself warned. (Alt.books.m-lackey, the Lackey newsgroup, is far fluff-heavier than this list, and this is most likely because it is (generally) easier to skip unwanted articles within news readers rather than mail readers. It is also the main reason why I read about two articles a day from the newsgroup, if that.) 2b) One-liners are a Bad Thing. If you feel that you have to respond to someone with a one-line comment, and that comment is not an answer to a question that has been asked, consider replying by mail directly to that person. (Comment: at the moment, because this is a discussion list, the default is that, when one hits the 'Reply' button, the mail is directed to the list at large, rather than the sender of the message to which you are replying. If you do not know how to change this, if necessary, you should talk to your local support folks. Asking for help on the list is unlikely to be productive, since we don't know what mail system you're using, and they vary wildly.) 2c) Long .signature files are Right Out. The suggested length of signatures on Usenet is four lines. On this list, where many people post several times a day, it is probably safe to assume that people will remember who you are after the first post. Therefore, attaching an 8 - 10 line signature to every post is seen as antisocial. Don't do it. 2d) But, but, why can't they just delete or skip over or unsubscribe? Why should they have to? Some people pay for every byte of mail they receive. (Yes, this is still the case in some countries.) Some people pay phone charges to download their mail. (Just about anyone in the UK who logs in from home, for starters; local calls are not free in the UK.) I -- or, to be strictly accurate, my business -- pay for the link to the Net over which list mail is sent. Yes, your off-topic postings can inconvenience people. Yes, your long signature is costing people money. No, they can't just ignore it. So don't be so damn selfish. 3) If you've got a query about how to subscribe/unsubscribe/(etc).... Read the FAQ. The relevant section is posted here semi-regularly; it's also available via the Web, via FTP, or by mail. Web: http://www.herald.co.uk/local_info/lackey_faq.html FTP: ftp://ftp.herald.co.uk/pub/lists/lackey-archives/lackey_faq.1 Mail: send mail to listproc-+AT+-herald.co.uk, leave the subject line blank or use "No Subject", message to read get mercedes-lackey lackey_faq.1 Don't post your query to the list. If it's a list-related question, and the answer's not in the FAQ, then send me mail at lackey-owner-+AT+-herald.co.uk. Bear in mind that I work (fairly) normal office hours -- this means that questions mailed to me over a weekend may not be answered until Monday. I might log in over the weekend, but assuming that that will be the case is likely a Bad Idea. 4) Other things not to post: Almost anything that you have found online, unless it's obviously and specifically Lackey-related. Especially if it says "Please post this to anywhere you can". Notable examples: anything saying "Make Money Fast" any mention of the Good Times virus (it doesn't exist) any request for postcards/business cards/get well cards to be sent to a little boy who's dying of cancer (he didn't die; he's still alive, and he really, really doesn't want any more cards. Neither does his local Post Office, which is also my local office at home!) anything about forthcoming legislation (this is an international list, and as such any legislation is likely to apply to no more than half of the people on the list) If you think that there should be an exception, mail the item concerned to me -- mel-+AT+-herald.co.uk -- and if I agree with you, I'll forward it to the list. But I'm an unreasonable bitch, as you probably already gathered by reading the rest of this post, so don't get your hopes up. Phew! We now return you to your regularly scheduled discussions. Mel. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:51:32 GMT From: Lyssa Knox To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Sporks and Shin'a'in Message-ID: <19990624235132.7684.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> up Heyla!*bounces and * down id love to join the Spork empire!!!!!!!!!( To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Sporkies! Message-ID: <19990625010822.63350.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Wow! So many people to join my Empire! The blessed spork must be smiling pon our little list. By-the-way, I would like to recognize one out-list friend of mine who has joined the Empire as Guardian of The Sacred Spork, her name is Khloia, and I'm currently getting her addicted to Mercedes Lackey!!!!!! If you want to join the Empire, just add *Loyal member of the Great Spork Empire* to your signature. And Welcome LadyKitsune! I love Kitsunes, so you are instantly on my "good list". *Throws sporks to everyone who wants them, as well as spork-flavored Ice-Cream sheep* ~Herald Aryn Nightfire k'T'more *Bearer of the Enchanted Blade Morrice (note to newbies: Morrice is pronounced like Maurice, but it's kinda the Velgarth equivalent.) Supreme Ruler of the Great Spork Empire (hopeful)Goddess of all things Crunchy _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 22:45:06 EDT From: Reanna20-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Heyla Message-ID: <38782800.24a44732-+AT+-aol.com> Heyla all!!......it's been *quite* a while since i've walked around the Hall and posted on the list...and nobody here would recognize me anyways because i changed e-mail names....out of curiousity, does anyone recognize which misty character i stole this name from???... something recent grabbed me by the throat and pulled me out of lurkdom...what is a *spork*...it sounds like a mix between a spoon and a fork...i've never heard of one and am curious about it... you know what i would *love* more books about???....the serrated edge (mmmm, elves!) and more about eric, kory, and beth (mmmmm, more elves!)....valdemar will always be my first love since i discovered that marvelous land first, but i must confess a weakness for elves in the Real World......aie, it would be the best day of my life if i were to meet an actual elf and go UnderHill......... i've always wanted to go to a fantasy convention...dang the Real World...unfortunately, i have to work...those who are going to DragonCon, have a wonderful time for me... welp, it's time to go...wind to thy wings all! ~Reanna ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 01:04:22 -0400 (EDT) From: katira-+AT+-pathfindermail.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: KoGS, StT, & OoUH Message-ID: <990625010422U1.20973-+AT+-weba7.iname.net> Heyla all! Well, I've been lurking for a long time (I don't recall when it was I last posted...), but I just read KoGS & StT, and I loved them! (and needed to rave about them:) I hadn't read any of Misty's urban fantasy stuff before (mostly I just read Valdemar), but Eric and Beth and Kory are awesome. And the music, and the Renn faires, and throwing in witches and the SCA and stuff... :) I loved the books, and I really want to read more about Eric, Beth and Kory. I've decided that I need to Champion them. Which leads me to my second topic... I'm now sole leader of the OoUH. Not that I really do anything, but it's a cool order anyway, and I thought maybe I'd try to do some stuff (I'm not promising anything, but I'm going to try). To begin with, I moved the webpage to http://www.angelfire.com/ok2/oouh/ because I'm going to be running it now, and geocities drives me nuts. Right now it's not really any different from what it was, though. But, if you have any suggestions, or you want to become a member, or want to update your info on the page, or whatever, just e-mail me (katira-+AT+-pathfindermail.com). Well, that's all for now. Renn Faire flavored sheep to all! Katie Leader of the Order of Unsung Heroes Champion of Eldan, Eric, Beth, and Kory http://www.angelfire.com/ok2/oouh/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get free personalized email at http://www.pathfindermail.com/member/login.page ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 22:27:04 PDT From: Alia Rose To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: fluff and goodbye! Message-ID: <19990625052704.54077.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> heyla my list sibs! this is pure fluff, and im sorry, really i am. i have been lurking for a while, but i wanted to come out of the woodwork for a bit. unfortunately, due to some extremely cool circumstances, ill will soon be heading to ireland for the next 6 months i will have LIMITED email access, and i dont know how much time ill get to check email. i had to pick and choose between my lists for this, and this one hurts me, but ive said so little lately, i decided to unsub. this is a busy list. hopefully, ill get over there, and discover i have enough time and access to resub, and will be back and lurking before too long. so i will say goodbye, and wave to those who actually know sorta who i am, or at least recognize my name. ambermoon, i can keep my Defender of the Brat title, right? ill be back soon, if not late, in august! ************************************* Alianora Rose Royal Defender of the Brat ICQ # 1372207 ************************************* Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. -Jade _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 00:16:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Aryenne Winterfire To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 2003 Message-ID: <19990625071622.17072.rocketmail-+AT+-web221.mail.yahoo.com> Yippie! It's me again! Sign me up for the spork Empire! I love sporks! I'm going to slit my wrists with one after I go crazy from my double major and double minor in college! Ok lets hit the braiding! Lady Ember wrote: My school has them!!! I swear!!! I got there and just looked at it. I had to ask someone what I was suppost to do to the thing. Lady Ember also wrote: You can get smarties all over the USA! You should really have someone send you some from here! We should like start a collection for you! Well...let's see...Obmisty... hrm....Do you think Misty will ever do any books from the beginning of Elspeth the Peacemakers reign? We have the end, but I'm sure that Savil must have done SOMETHING interesting! I want a book about her anyway! Well I must depart my misty friends! Chocolate covered strawberry sheep to all! === Aryenne Winterfire Protector of the Freeze Dried Sheep Flock Http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Hollow/4736/index.html Member of the CfWD, Albertan Division _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free -+AT+-yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:16:09 GMT From: "Li'nia Stormdancer" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Braid: Sporks, Shin'a'in, Thank you's, Convention, etc... Message-ID: <19990625111610.82236.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Heyla List-Sibs!! *Li'nia brushes the dust off her seat in the Arena of Discussion and Dissention, and sits down. Styx curls up at her feet* De-lurking BIG-time! Lucky you, I've been extremely busy over here in lovely Korea, and I haven't had time to post! 1) I miss sporks! For those of you who don't know, a spork is a combination spoon and fork (like the name suggests). Mostly the body of a spoon with the fork divisions at the very end. Very useful. 2) Sorry, forgot who asked this one. What I'd be if I was in the Shin'a'in Clans? Shaman. Without a doubt. I admire the ones we have/had here in the real world, so I'd love to be one there. 3) Thank you to our Councilor for forwarding Auntie Mel's message to us. I've gotten very bad at fluff and my name thing, and need a kick in the rear to remind me! 4) Another thanks to whomever posted the info on Queen's Own. I'd sent something in a long time ago (many, many moons) and given up on getting a response. Now I'll try again! 5) I am very glad to see that Larry and Misty will be attending a convention next year (or is it 2001?) Even if I can't see them, maybe some of their fans will be able to enjoy seeing them. I'd love to, though... 6) OBMISTY: In her SERRAted Edge books, Misty often mentions music groups. Either it's playing on the radio, or a character is driving elves nuts with the lyrics, or something. The only ones I can remember off hand are They Might Be Giants and Midnight Oil. Are there any others? If so, she had great taste with the aforementioned bands, and I'd give any band she mentioned a shot! -<---<---<---(-+AT+-) Li'nia Stormdancer (-+AT+-)--->--->--->- Stormdance k'T'more y Kuus,Peon to the Powers That Be, Devotee to the OuUH, Mindmate to Styx A'ska, (Hopeful) Goddess of All Things Possessed, Caretaker of the Arena of Discussion and Dissention, Member of the Great Spork Empire ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2004 **********************************