MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2037 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Oops!! Companion Question by Paige 2) Re: the last straw and other matters. by "Alex boyd" 3) Re: the last straw and other matters. by "Sarah Ardern" 4) Re: the last straw and other matters. by Emily 5) (no subject) by MDennis460-+AT+-aol.com 6) Stuff by Sarah W 7) Grove Born MOC by Paige 8) Re: the last straw and other matters. by "Alex boyd" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 14:56:33 -0400 From: Paige To: ML Listserve Subject: Oops!! Companion Question Message-ID: <37A346E0.5A2F1D84-+AT+-sympatico.ca> Boy don't I feel like a bonehead :-) Someone (bad delete key) mentioned a Companion named Brytha and I stated that it was a Companion but Nyara's (I think I even spelled her name wrong) dyheli. Well, I admit that all I remembered was that Brytha was a dyheli and I thought it was Nyara's and all I did was check for the name and marked the page. Well, I decided to read the book after all that, and I hit the page and OOPS it wasn't Nyara's it was Firesong dyheli mage friend who was Brytha. So, sorry for the incorrect information. Feel free to fling sheep or pies or whatever at me :-) -- Paige Proud Mom of Victoria - 15 months Proud to be Outlandish Royal Defender of The Brat There is no "I" in "TEAM"...but there is an "M" and an "E" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 13:29:00 PDT From: "Alex boyd" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: the last straw and other matters. Message-ID: <19990731202901.64767.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> I had wondered if anyone else thought the last few valdemar books weren't as good. I'm glad I'm not alone. I for one would *love* to see her jump to some other point in time--i think she's done the Mage Winds/Storm's temporal territory from just about every possible perspective. But even without going forward past the most recent series, if you look at the timeline there's gaps hundreds of years long, like between the Last Hearld Mage and Vows and Honor. Even better, how about a novel about the Founding of Valdemar? Re: Piers Anthony and Xanth, I think the reason he hasn't gotten written out on it is because he knows it's the best thing he's got going for him. I'm not a huge fan of the series, but it's a lot better than anything else of his I've read. (apologies to any and all Anthony fans. feel free to respond off-list if you know some of his work that might change my opinion) re: reincarnation of the Monarch's Own's Companion: I would argue in favor of the Companion's being a reincarnated Monarch, based on the names Rolan/Roald (not quite as obvious as Savil/Sayvil, but still just a transposition of one letter and a change in the final consonant). Roald, by the way, is a King listed in the timeline, and I'm pretty sure he appears in Oathbreakers as the Heir. And a puzzle: there are a lot of references to the MOC Choosing a person who is already a herald--any speculation on what happens to the Herald's current Companion if that happens? I don't remember anything in the books on the subject, but maybe I missed something. Actually, i lied: There is something in the second book of the Last Herald Mage: when Jisa is a little girl the Companions say that she'll be Chosen early if she needs the training, but it won't be "a bonded Choosing" since her Companion will be Taver when her mother dies. But that doens't really clear things up. By the way, I'm new on the list, and I'm not always as pedantic as the last two paragraphs may seem. Actually, they very much remind me of the William Shatner "get a life" sketch on saturday Night Live. I'm scared. Alex, repository of useless trivia _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 19:18:27 PDT From: "Sarah Ardern" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: the last straw and other matters. Message-ID: <933473907.13654.169-+AT+-excite.com> Alex boyd wrote: I totally agree w/u and any others (who i've missed) that say that a jump would be good. or a series about the iftel area. that would be great coz she's left an empty gap there that is begging to be filled. Alex also wrote I think (i may be very wrong) that if a herald, who is chosen already, is destined to be a future monarch's own then when he/she is chosen the companion doesn't fully bond with them so that when the current monarch's own herald dies then thir companion chooses another and the MOC chooses them. If that makes any sense to anyone :) i am sure that there is another reference to that (in the AOQ series when rolan comes back w/talia someone says something i think. i don't have the books to check) sorry to be so vague. my computer keeps crashing and my brain seems to think it can copy the computer. :) Orange flavoUr sheep shaped cookies with marshmallow wool to all. Zhai'helleva Moonstalker She'enedra to Brynn Reader of sci-fi/fantasy esp. Terry Pratchett and Mercedes Lackey. Proud owner of most Discworld books. "Friends, however distant, are always present." - Cicerro ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 23:23:13 -0400 From: Emily To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: the last straw and other matters. Message-ID: <37A3BDA1.3D8C6698-+AT+-yahoo.com> Alex boyd wrote: > re: reincarnation of the Monarch's Own's Companion: I would argue in favor > of the Companion's being a reincarnated Monarch, based on the names > Rolan/Roald (not quite as obvious as Savil/Sayvil, but still just a > transposition of one letter and a change in the final consonant). Roald, by > the way, is a King listed in the timeline, and I'm pretty sure he appears in > Oathbreakers as the Heir. I must disagree with you on this one...MOC's are *always* groveborn. And from what we've learned of Gwena, they have less experience because they *haven't* been reincarnated....I can't tell you where in the series that's from, but I think that tidbit of information was presented after a fight between Elspeth and Gwena... > And a puzzle: there are a lot of references to the MOC Choosing a person who > is already a herald--any speculation on what happens to the Herald's current > Companion if that happens? I don't remember anything in the books on the > subject, but maybe I missed something. Actually, i lied: There is something > in the second book of the Last Herald Mage: when Jisa is a little girl the > Companions say that she'll be Chosen early if she needs the training, but it > won't be "a bonded Choosing" since her Companion will be Taver when her > mother dies. But that doens't really clear things up. I guess you could call it an un-Bonded Choosing.....uhhh....spoiler for the Mage Storms series ahead... ~ ~ ~ ~ S P O I L E R S P A C E ~ ~ ~ ~ Ohh, I made that all nice and pretty...;) Anyway, an un-Bonded Choosing would be like that of Florian and Karal. The Companion that "Chooses" the possible MO would serve the MO as their Companion until they actually bonded. So, for instance, they could, perhaps, ride circuit as Herald and Companion....that's what I think, anyway. ~ ~ ~ ~ E N D S P O I L E R ~ ~ ~ ~ I agree with all of you on the less-than-wonderful quality of Misty's newer Valdemar books. The Gryphons series, IMNSHO, was not Misty quality. The Owls were okay - they were informative, but not terribly interesting (that didn't need spoiler space, did it? no plot giveaways....). Ah, well. I hope the new SERRAted Edge book is as good as the rest. Although, the new Bardic Voices book isn't great either. That's the only Misty book I've not been able to finish, due to the fact that it was boring. Even If I Pay Thee Not In Gold was much better than that, and more Misty-like. Zhai'helleva, and fluffy, towel-bearing sheep to all the newbies! (of which I was one, not so long ago...although I never got sploshed....) Alinea (soon to be Songwind k'Treva, scout, as soon as I finish my requirements for QO.....) -- Alinea Songwind (a/k/a Artemis, a/k/a Emily) Supreme dictator of Quistar Island Member of OoUH, Champion of Tylendel & Moondance Loyal member of the Great Spork Empire http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2571 "WHAT???" -My response to the bear that killed Alinea, the ranger. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 09:26:56 EDT From: MDennis460-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: <4b47338d.24d5a520-+AT+-aol.com> I've been a queen's own member for several years. I enjoy getting it. Here's the address: QUEEN 'S OWN/MERGING OF THE WAYS the official Mercedes Lackey fan club P.O. B. 56956 Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 rates are $8/year for printed newsletters $4 year for emailed newsletters. email editor robin ready, HrldSenshl-+AT+-aol.com I had some problems getting the email to go through so maybe you might want to try snail mail. I did finally get the address correct... I'm giving you the corrected version. This was about the time that AOL was having some email problems... You can send for a sample news letter and see if it's what you want. At least you could when I first subscribed the editor has changed recently so that policy may have changed as well. A nice thing about this newsletter that it has lists for other related fandoms and also some of the regional misty clubs. Hope this answers your question. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:55:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Sarah W To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Stuff Message-ID: <382837965.933522954863.JavaMail.root-+AT+-web09.pub01> Heyla everyone! And hello newbies! :Runs to stand next to them, hoping to catch some overflow splash water: It's *hot* here, too! I'd give you towels, but I think someone has beat me to it. Thank you, whoever (you didn't tell us your name, so I don't know it) wrote with the address for Queen's Own. I've been looking for it! I'm curious as to where it said that Monarch's Own Companions are Grove Born? Was it in the Storms Books? I just don't remember that at all, so I hope it's in one of the books I didn't read rather than that I wasn't paying attention. =] I used to read Piers Anthony when I was younger...7th grade, I think. I was in the library and realised "ooh! A new Xanth novel". And it was very childish--so I thought that I was too old for Xanth, and I was sad. But then I re-read 'Harpy Thyme' and it was still very good. I haven't read any other books by him, so I don't know about them. If anyone really cares, which I doubt! Fare thee well (all of thee, naturally)! Lady Ember Echosinger Loyal Ohio Spy for the Albertan Division of the CfWD Singer of Fire, Lady of the Spork Slightly obsessive fan of "Are You Being Served" and all things British ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address -+AT+-email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 12:18:45 -0400 From: Paige To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Grove Born MOC Message-ID: <37A47365.624EE57D-+AT+-sympatico.ca> Emily wrote: > > Alex boyd wrote: > > > re: reincarnation of the Monarch's Own's Companion: I would argue in favor > > of the Companion's being a reincarnated Monarch, based on the names > > Rolan/Roald (not quite as obvious as Savil/Sayvil, but still just a > > transposition of one letter and a change in the final consonant). Roald, by > > the way, is a King listed in the timeline, and I'm pretty sure he appears in > > Oathbreakers as the Heir. > > I must disagree with you on this one...MOC's are *always* groveborn. And from > what we've learned of Gwena, they have less experience because they *haven't* > been reincarnated....I can't tell you where in the series that's from, but I > think that tidbit of information was presented after a fight between Elspeth and > Gwena... It was presented by Vanyel but he did not say that all Grove Borns are "new" souls. What he said was (okay, I can't fin the book so I'm quoting from memory - it's Winds of Fury if anyone wants to look it up) "Your Gwenna for all that she is Grove Born is just a fallible as any other mortal". He was not saying that all GB's are "new" he was saying that Gwenna was, but since the other GB's are so wonderful, wise, etc. she believes she is too. he says that *she* forgets that she has no real human experience to base her decisions on. If you think about it, it's pretty hard to believe that the second most important Companion in the kingdom would be a child. -- Paige Proud Mom of Victoria - 15 months Proud to be Outlandish Royal Defender of The Brat There is no "I" in "TEAM"...but there is an "M" and an "E" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 10:35:45 PDT From: "Alex boyd" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: the last straw and other matters. Message-ID: <19990801173546.68858.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> >I must disagree with you on this one...MOC's are *always* groveborn. And >from >what we've learned of Gwena, they have less experience because they >*haven't* >been reincarnated....I can't tell you where in the series that's from, but >I >think that tidbit of information was presented after a fight between >Elspeth and >Gwena... I'm not sure it's flawless logic to infer from Gwena's experience that all grove-born are young souls. I guess if i really want to know I should look up the reference again, but I'm pretty sure it's inconclusive. After all, we don't see Rolan (AoQ)or Taver (LHM) indulging in Gwena's brand of immature behaviour. >would serve the MO as their Companion until they actually bonded. >So, for >instance, they could, perhaps, ride circuit as Herald and > >Companion....that's >what I think, anyway. that certainly makes sense. Alex _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2037 **********************************