MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2047 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) UK Listsibs!!!!!!!! Misty appearance!!!!!!!! by "Alexia/Sabrina" 2) Just wondering... by "Shatterstar" 3) Re: UK Listsibs!!!!!!!! Misty appearance!!!!!!!! by "Sarah Ardern" 4) Re: Halfblood chronicles (possible spoiler?) by MDennis460-+AT+-aol.com 5) Re: IRC chat option by MDennis460-+AT+-aol.com 6) Re: Van and Leareth; Van/Stef souls by Jadzia 7) collaborations by Laura Rossier 8) speaking of 'fire' by Laura Rossier 9) Re: Halfblood chronicles (possible spoiler?) by Kerowyn73-+AT+-aol.com 10) Re: Getting off the listserver by Katrina C Stayduhar 11) MLML Re: IRC chat option by Peter Allen 12) Re: speaking of 'fire' by kaza-+AT+-mindspring.com 13) Re: collaborations by Kelley Leverich 14) Re: maps by "Mark Severson" 15) Re: help/unsubscribing by Paige 16) Re: cover art, etc by Paige 17) Re: Van and Leareth; Van/Stef souls by Staci M Chronister 18) Re: speaking of 'fire' by T Stafford 19) Re: speaking of 'fire' by "Alex boyd" 20) Re: cover art, etc by "Alex boyd" 21) Re: Van and Leareth; Van/Stef souls by Gallen 84 22) Re: speaking of 'fire' by Kenneth Allen Hyde 23) Re: Re: speaking of 'fire' by kaza-+AT+-mindspring.com 24) Re: collaborations by MDennis460-+AT+-aol.com 25) Re: speaking of 'fire' by LCM46-+AT+-aol.com 26) animated movie by bojana gallagher 27) Re: Van and Leareth; Van/Stef souls by Mooncrystal ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 22:51:38 +0100 From: "Alexia/Sabrina" To: Subject: UK Listsibs!!!!!!!! Misty appearance!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <067301bee2b8$4000b2c0$b2c428c3-+AT+-oemcomputer> Misty herself will be signing books at Forbidden Planet, London, by Tottenhman Court Road tube station on Sat. 21st August, from 1PM onwards! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 16:58:56 -0700 From: "Shatterstar" To: Subject: Just wondering... Message-ID: <00dd01bee2c3$25384f60$e00611ac-+AT+-internal.mindspring.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DA_01BEE288.78100CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know someone's asked this before, but for the life of me I don't = remember the answer. I came into the mailing list a few months back, = and apparently missed the meaning behind the sheep all over the place. = Can someone please enlighten a poor sheep-knowledge deprived soul? Shatterstar ------=_NextPart_000_00DA_01BEE288.78100CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_00DA_01BEE288.78100CE0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 19:09:46 PDT From: "Sarah Ardern" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: UK Listsibs!!!!!!!! Misty appearance!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <934250986.5981.120-+AT+-excite.com> Alexia/Sabrina wrote: Misty herself will be signing books at Forbidden Planet, London, by Tottenhman Court Road tube station on Sat. 21st August, from 1PM onwards! Darn i'll be in the uk 10 days late :( Do you (or anyone) know when the PTerry signing is ??? ~~~~~~~~~~Fluff~~~~~~~~~~~ The madness is begining, Moonstalker rummages through her posessions trying to find anything that she will really need for her first 6 weeks back in her (beloved) home country of England. Of course one of her cases is being devoted to books but what should she put in the next one???? AHHHHHHHH!!!!!! She is counting the days (currently 22) until she will have to leave the area that has been her home for the past year and will have to leave the amazing friends that introduced her to Misty :( What will she do without them??? ~~~~~~~~~End Fluff~~~~~~~~ OBMisty, people are saying that the next owls book is out in october and another one is being released in paperback then, which is the paperback and does anyone know what the owls book is called? Someone started a complaint about the blurbs on book jackets; I try not to pay too much attention to them, usually they are not a good indication of the book content, i go more for books that people have reccomended to me or i have read reviews of (or ones that my she'enedra piles onto me) :) If anyone needs books to read i would reccomend the Tanya Huff "Quarters" books (Sing the 4 quarters etc) i found them really good, especially having just gotten hooked on fantasy :) Sorry to have gone on so much, i'll retreat back in the shadows now :) Ice-cream sheep to anyone in the northern hemisphere, hot chocolate w/marshmallow sheep to anyone in the southern hemisphere :) Zhai'helleva Moonstalker :) She'enedra to Brynn Reader of sci-fi/fantasy esp. Terry Pratchett and Mercedes Lackey. Proud owner of most Discworld books. "Friends, however distant, are always present." - Cicerro ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 23:30:50 EDT From: MDennis460-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Halfblood chronicles (possible spoiler?) Message-ID: <8bf45802.24e0f6ea-+AT+-aol.com> There is no Andrew north -- that is andre Norton, other wise known as Alice Mary Norton, a librarian as well as one of the grand ladies of sci-fi fantasy. She was writing as andre Norton and a couple of other names before the current generation of women fantasy writers like misty. I read her "storm over warlock" when I was twelve and fell in love with scifi/fantasy. I've been reading it for 36 years since! Do read others of her 100 plus titles. Always a good buy if her name is on the cover. She's collaborated on other things and edited various anthologies as "on the wings of magic" with a friend of mine. Plug intended -- buy the book it's good! All of the plots are good, and the characters are those that you find you care about. I cleaned out my older copies of her books some years ago and have regretted it since... elvenbane and elvenblood are good collaborations, and are enjoyable but I'd like to see a third novel to tie up the loose ends. But the worst of misty's books as far as I'm concerned has been "if I pay the not in gold" done with piers Anthony. Couldn't finish the book as the divergent writing styles warred through the whole novel -- too many pages to tolerate. I reviewed ti for a newsletter I used to write for, and for once I panned a misty book. It's one of misty's books that you don't hear much about. Couldn't get into firebird much ... don't remember too much about it. Well, that's my nickel's worth-two cents allowing for inflation. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 23:32:54 EDT From: MDennis460-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: IRC chat option Message-ID: <3c03a289.24e0f766-+AT+-aol.com> Am not sure about what you mean about an irc chat? What about specifically? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 21:26:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Jadzia To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Van and Leareth; Van/Stef souls Message-ID: <19990810042647.27327.rocketmail-+AT+-web207.mail.yahoo.com> ¤Silve¤ wrote: <> I don't know about these attacks, but we do know that he was responsible for the priest's (Leren) actions. Did Leareth somehow know of the mage-potential Van had and take control of Father Leren a long time ago? We know that the priest's influence on Withen made Van's home situation worse. But, then Leren wouldn't have convinced Withen to send Van to Haven as his guesture at the dinner implied. So maybe Leareth used the priest's hatred of Van to get a hold on Leren's soul and then subverted Leren from the Mavelan's for his own purposes. Oh great, now I'm going to wonder about this all night long. Sheep oracles to answer all your questions for everybody...if you can translate baa baa that is. Jadzia. "Search your heart before you die. Is the cost way to high to explain all the tears you have caused throughout the years? When everything is finished and you've done all that you can, you will come full circle to begin again." Full Circle, Little River Band _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 01:23:47 -0400 From: Laura Rossier To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: collaborations Message-ID: <37AFB763.581CA88-+AT+-cornell.edu> Hi, I'm new to the list so I want to apologize in advance if I repeat opinions that have already been stated. I'm really interested in what people are saying about the collaborations. Has anyone read her collaboration with Marion Zimmer Bradley? I've read some of Bradley's other works but only recently read one of her Darkover novels. The writing styles aren't quite the same but close enough that I might try searching for the book. As for Piers Anthony...I used to love the man (okay when I was 11), to the point where I read and enjoyed his autobiography. Then either I grew up or he stopped writing enjoyable books b/c i haven't finished one of his in years. As much as I love Misty I can't bear to pick up their collaboration. a couple of other quick questions... does anyone know when the 3rd Owl book is available? does anyone know if I can find a map of Valdemar? I've lost my ability to picture the geography and it frustrates me to read a book and have them mention something to the north when I keep remembering it as to the west. it doesn't really matter i know. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 01:29:59 -0400 From: Laura Rossier To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: speaking of 'fire' Message-ID: <37AFB8D7.E3876901-+AT+-cornell.edu> Was Firebird really not that bad? The book jacket just basically tells the well known russian story. I've picked it up a few times but I've always found something more interesting to read first. Has anyone read 'The Fire Rose' (i think that's the right name)? I really enjoyed it, especially the characters and the different take on magic. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 01:27:03 EDT From: Kerowyn73-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Halfblood chronicles (possible spoiler?) Message-ID: <3dca3294.24e11227-+AT+-aol.com> In a message dated 8/9/99 11:15:09 PM US Eastern Standard Time, MDennis460-+AT+-aol.com writes: << elvenbane and elvenblood are good collaborations, and are enjoyable but I'd like to see a third novel to tie up the loose ends. >> I'm pretty sure a third book is in the works... maybe out. I _think_ I ordered it from my book club... but then again I ordered so many I'm not sure of them all... *g* Sionen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 02:40:41 -0400 From: Katrina C Stayduhar To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Getting off the listserver Message-ID: <19990810.013737.-354131.0.Kaytdoo-+AT+-juno.com> Does anyone know how I can get off the listserver short of dropping the account it goes to? I have tried sending delete or whatever the message I was told but nothing has worked. I really don't have the time to delete a 100 or so messages just to get to the one or two that are not listserver. ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 23:10:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Allen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: MLML Re: IRC chat option Message-ID: <19990810061047.10062.rocketmail-+AT+-web601.yahoomail.com> MDennis460-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > Am not sure about what you mean about an irc chat? > What about specifically? IRC chat the ability to use different programs while connected to the internet to chat with other people. There is a group of friends that gathers together online to chat and have fun with each other... an option other than simple e-mail :). You can download the chat program mIRC (for the PC), a nice starter's program, at www.mirc.co.uk . Once downloaded, there are a few setup changes to be made, but then if you connect to the EFnet (at least this is where I usually hang out :), then join #valdemar. If anyone wants help on this, simply e-mail me privately and we can discuss it :). ObMisty: Usually I don't mind the covers to books, or don't think that much of them. I pretty much find them amusing and then take what I see in my mind's eye as what the character "really" looks like, and compare the two. It is interesting to see Van start out as late 20's and end up as a teen *g*. That and pink horses.....*grin* Bright be thy day in the sun, Wintershard Councilor of Mist _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:19:13 -0400 From: kaza-+AT+-mindspring.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: speaking of 'fire' Message-ID: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk wrote: > Was Firebird really not that bad? The book jacket just basically tells the well known russian story. I've picked it up a few times but I've always found something more interesting to read first. I've read both Firebird and The Fire Rose. They were both pretty good IMHO, but I must admit I liked FireBird better. Yes, its a re-telling of the Russian Folktale, but have you read Robin McKinney's retelling of Beauty and the Beast? Just because its an old story, doesn't mean it can't be a GOOD old story. :) > Has anyone read 'The Fire Rose' (i think that's the right name)? I really enjoyed it, especially the characters and the different take on magic. Laura The Fire Rose, on the other hand, while it was a fun read, just didn't have quite the spark of other Misty work to my mind. It's almost like a Victorian re-hash of The Lark and the Wren, with a bit more of the "Gothic love story" thrown in. Fair damsel with no family finds she has magical powers and wins the love of the aloof Magician. The world-model IS kinda neet, but there were no real suprises. Read one "Victorian-era-Gothic-romance-type-love-story-in-a-magical- setting" you've read'm all. Elizabeth, the Late-blooming Lurker ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:38:03 -0500 From: Kelley Leverich To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: collaborations Message-ID: <37B0394B.B01FD33B-+AT+-ameritech.net> Laura Rossier wrote: > > a couple of other quick questions... > > does anyone know when the 3rd Owl book is available? > Last I heard, it is due out October/November 1999. > does anyone know if I can find a map of Valdemar? I've lost my ability > to picture the geography and it frustrates me to read a book and have > them mention something to the north when I keep remembering it as to the > west. it doesn't really matter i know. > No, but this would be very cool to see published. > Laura -- kelley Whoever kindles the flames of intolerance is lighting a fire underneath his own home. -- Harold E. Stassen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:07:40 -0700 From: "Mark Severson" To: Subject: Re: maps Message-ID: <000f01bee342$17c0a380$156cb4cd-+AT+-janltcea> I seem to recall seeing a map in several of the paperback versions of her books, of course this was several years ago so they may have been dropped in later printings. I'll see if I can find my PB's. I bought HB's quite a while back - bigger print, easier to read. Mark Severson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:32:30 -0400 From: Paige To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: help/unsubscribing Message-ID: <37B0541E.9484A9BC-+AT+-sympatico.ca> Judy Craigo wrote: > > please how do i unsubscribe! i love you all, but can only check my email > once a month now, and it's a bit overwhelming!!!! Send a mail message to listproc-+AT+-herald.co.uk with subject blank and message body UNSUBSCRIBE MERCEDES-LACKEY Or if you don't want to unsubscribe but want to cut down on the number of emails you get try SET MERCEDES-LACKEY MAIL DIGEST and you get one email that contains all of the days messages. -- Paige Proud Mom of Victoria - 15 months Proud to be Outlandish Royal Defender of The Brat There is no "I" in "TEAM"...but there is an "M" and an "E" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:35:36 -0400 From: Paige To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: cover art, etc Message-ID: <37B054D8.C9246A8A-+AT+-sympatico.ca> Sarah W wrote: > > Hey all! > > I tend to like the cover art, but I agree that BtS is > very...off...also, doesn't it seem like the covers on MPawn and > MPrice should be switched? Van looks so much younger on > MPrice...! I absolutely *love* the cover of Black Swan though! =] I've always thought that with the cover art Van seems to age backwards from Pawn, to Promise, to Price. I don't think that there's a single cover that I like. The Storm ones seem to bother me the most. I mean, I should think that with the same person drawing them, Karal should look at least close to being the same person from one cover to the next, shouldn't he? > Also, what's even more annoying is the blurbs on the back of the > books. I was reading MPawn (for the hundredth time) at the > theatre and someone wanted to know what I was reading so I > showed them the back. And then I read it myself. Did the person > who wrote that actually *read* the book? Same with BtS, I > noticed. I've also never liked the blurbs. It seems to me that the person reads every other chapter or something. Take the blurb for Oathblood (please! ) It doesn't give any indication that it's a bunch of stories. The only one it covers is the last story about the mage school. Warning for Winds of Fury & the Black Gryphon * * * * * * * * * Sitting beside me is Fury, so I thought I'd take a look at the back. Whoever read this one seems to think the book is all about her discovering Vanyel living in Sorrows. Yeah, um, that sounds right?!?! The Black Gryphon drives me nuts. The blurb at the back says the book is about Amberdrake waiting for Skan to return... Skan is back by page 50 for crying out loud and... ah well... it's not like it's ever going to change. The problems with blurbs and covers isn't just with Misty's books, it's with almost every writers. So I guess we must just grin and bear it... and wonder how many books we haven't bought because of a badly written blurb... -- Paige Proud Mom of Victoria - 15 months Proud to be Outlandish Royal Defender of The Brat There is no "I" in "TEAM"...but there is an "M" and an "E" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:46:26 -0700 From: Staci M Chronister To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Van and Leareth; Van/Stef souls Message-ID: <19990810.124627.-4159807.0.smch-+AT+-juno.com> > I don't know about these attacks, but we do know that > he was responsible for the priest's (Leren) actions. > Did Leareth somehow know of the mage-potential Van had > and take control of Father Leren a long time ago? We > know that the priest's influence on Withen made Van's > home situation worse. But, then Leren wouldn't have > convinced Withen to send Van to Haven as his guesture > at the dinner implied. So maybe Leareth used the > priest's hatred of Van to get a hold on Leren's soul > and then subverted Leren from the Mavelan's for his > own purposes. Oh great, now I'm going to wonder about > this all night long. Okay, now *I'm* confused! I don't think that this was the case at all. Let's provide a comparison... Let's say that either you or I had to potential to become the best yo-yo'er in the world, but in order to do that we had to wreck our hands entirely and *hope* that we could still yo-yo after that. (Remember that having his mage-potential opened almost killed Van?) Then *suppose* that the current best yo-yo'er in the world somehow found out that *if* we did that, THEN we would be better than him.... To many "what-if's", if you ask me... I don't think that a conspiracy theory works here. Leareth might have been working to kill all of the child mages, but it just seems to me (and this is a VHO) that Van couldn't possibly have been the only one with mage potential. Would Leareth have worked to kill all of those children, plus the ones whose Gift was active, PLUS had time to get to all the Heralds, *PLUS* had time to build up his power and powerbase? It just doesn't compute for me. If anyone has a different opinion, or textevd, just let me know. : ) Much Love, Staci Michele Carina Chronister ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:19:43 -0700 (PDT) From: T Stafford To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: speaking of 'fire' Message-ID: <19990810171943.13448.rocketmail-+AT+-web108.yahoomail.com> --- kaza-+AT+-mindspring.com wrote: , but have you read Robin McKinney's > retelling of Beauty and the Beast? > Just because its an old story, doesn't mean it can't > be a GOOD old story. :) > I have to agree, McKinney's telling of the story is supurb. Misty's was OK, but the end was REAL flat - like she just threw something on the page. Has anyone else read/heard the collaboration between Misty and David Arkenstone? I forget the name right now. The music David did was great, but Misty's story could have used a little fleshing out, IMVHO. BTY, Hi Elizabeth! Glad you came out of Lurkerdom! Everyone, meet my very good friend,Elizabeth, who I believe is the one who got me hooked on Misty's books! Chocolate-chip sheep for everyone! Teresa _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:31:44 PDT From: "Alex boyd" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: speaking of 'fire' Message-ID: <19990810173145.80560.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> >The Fire Rose, on the other hand, while it was a fun read, just didn't have >quite the spark of other Misty work to my mind. It's almost like a >Victorian re-hash of The Lark and the Wren, with a bit more of the "Gothic >love story" thrown in. >Fair damsel with no family finds she has magical powers and wins the love >of the aloof Magician. >The world-model IS kinda neet, but there were no real suprises. I agree, it worked very much within the victorian marriage plot. I'm not sure it was exactly gothic--a silly heroine is very much a requirement of the gothic novel, and rose isn't silly. And the style was a bit too plain. but it was pretty much the same territory covered by the brontes and jane austen, except with a little magic thrown in. Rose, like a lot of the bronte's heroines, is not at all silly and acts outside the norm for a woman of her time and station. but at the end her subversive characteristics are contained by the return to the marriage plot. it suggests a kind of egalitarian marriage that was not the norm in Victorian times (and possibly isn't now), which was also a project of some of the victorian women writers. I rather hope that misty was consciously operating within this tradition rather than unconsciously ascribing to the belief that marriage is the best or only possibility for a woman. Alex _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:34:46 PDT From: "Alex boyd" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: cover art, etc Message-ID: <19990810173446.46159.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> >So I guess we must just grin and >bear it... and wonder how many books we haven't bought because of a >badly written blurb... that's the real problem...I KNOW i would never have read most of misty's books if all I had to go on was what was written on the back cover. Alex _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:35:56 -0400 From: Gallen 84 To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Van and Leareth; Van/Stef souls Message-ID: <19990810.133559.-179753.1.gallen84-+AT+-juno.com> Elizabeth wrote: >The Fire Rose, on the other hand, while it was a fun read, just didn't >have quite the spark of other Misty work to my mind. It's almost like >a Victorian re-hash of The Lark and the Wren, with a bit more of the >"Gothic love story" thrown in. >Fair damsel with no family finds she has magical powers and wins the >love of the aloof Magician. >The world-model IS kinda neet, but there were no real suprises. Read >one "Victorian-era-Gothic-romance-type-love-story-in-a-magical- >setting" you've read'm all. I always thought that the Fire Rose was a lot like a retelling of the Beauty and the Beast, though it doesn't say so outright, like Robin McKinney's Beauty. Also, the differences between Beauty and the Beast and the Fire Rose, is that the ending and the use of magic are different. (trying to write this in vague terms, so as not to spoiler it) Shala wrote: >¤Silve¤ said: >> >>I have a question now. Here's a quote from mPrice by Van (well, >actually >>his >>thoughts): >> >>"He couldnt' subvert us, he couldn't take us on openly, so he >destroyed us >>singly. The Herald-Mages were the easiest for him to identify at a >>distance-and the ones he considered most threatening. And I was >right; he's >>been killing children and trainees, making it look like accidents, >for a >>very >>long time now. Getting the children the moment their Mage-Gift >manifested, >>if >>he could. Like Tylendel.... (new paragraph) Like me." >> >>So, my question is, were 'Lendel and Van actually threatened by >Leareth >>when >>their Gifts manifested? Did this have something to do with the huge >fit >>'Lendel had when his Gifts manifested? Could Van just not have ben >able to >>read the attack due to all of the pain he was under? >> >Actually, somehow I got the feeling that those ice-dreams of Van's >could be >construed as an attack. The terror of dying alone in those dreams and >the >things that happened in them seemed as if they would encourage suicide >just >to get away from it all. I think you may be right about the fits that > >'Lendel had, because the people in his area seemed to want him dead... >the >only reason they didn't do anything about it was that Staven stepped >in. So >really, they could have been attacks. extremely subtle attacks. those >are >usually the best kind. Making 'Lendel go mad was, in the end probably >a very >direct attack, because I seem to remember that Leareth didn't really >do too >many direct attacks, he preferred to keep it looking like accident. >wait. >I'm confusing me. I think that 'Lendel and Vanyel were in danger when their gifts manifested. I also think it would be very easy to kill off children who's gifts had just manifested. It really isn't that hard to plant ideas in people's heads. Especially with that man who hired Krebain. All Leareth had to do was plant the idea to hire Krebain and kill Vanyel off. Or plant the idea to use Peligir creatures to kill Staven. Savil was old, and so was that guy who liked astronomy. He had to use a more brutal way to kill Lissandra, by cutting off her oxygen supply, chokng her, etc. But those instances were near the end, and he didn't have to be very subtle. For children, maybe giving them the idea to climb to a high place, and then pushing them off, or maybe just giving them a disease when healers weren't near. Anyway, Van was much stronger than Leareth though, and Van said as much. About the ice-dreams, I always thought that those were his foresight dreams. At the beginning, when Van leaves Ashkevron manor, the dreams weren't as clear, because his gift hadn't manifested fully, it got much clearer after 'Lendel died. OK, enough of my rambling, I don't know what I'm saying. Gallen aka Wingsister Silvertalon Loyal Subject of the Great Spork Empire (Hopeful) Member of the Order of Amber and Marigold (Hopeful) Member of the Order of Unsung Heroes http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dreamworld/9782/ ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:48:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenneth Allen Hyde To: Misty Lackey List Subject: Re: speaking of 'fire' Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, T Stafford wrote: > I have to agree, McKinney's telling of the story is supurb. Which retelling? McKinnley has written two versions of the Beauty and the Beast story: "Beauty" (sometime in the early 80s) and "Rose Daughter" (last year). Both are excellent, although somewhat different. McKinnley is a very gifted writer, btw, and her variations on classical fairy tales (The Door in the Hedge and Deerskin) are very good, though somewhat disturbing at times. I'm iffy about her Damar books, though. I loved "The Blue Sword", but couldn't really get into "The Hero and the Sword." ObMisty: BTW, has anyone read Misty's contribution to that medieval/rennaissance series that C.J. Cherryh was editing? I think the book was something like "Reap the Whirlwind" or some such? I've never been quite tempted enough to buy it. May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd Councilor of Mist (who is listening to Fortuna imperatrix mundi from Carmina Burana right now and feeling a deep need to go out and smite the unrighteous) Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me //www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/prof/ken.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 15:29:26 -0400 From: kaza-+AT+-mindspring.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Re: speaking of 'fire' Message-ID: Kenneth Allen Hyde wrote: > On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, T Stafford wrote: > I have to agree, McKinney's telling of the story is supurb. Which retelling? McKinnley has written two versions of the Beauty and the Beast story: "Beauty" (sometime in the early 80s) and "Rose Daughter" (last year). Both are excellent, although somewhat different. <---SNIP---> When I wrote that statement I was referring to "Beauty". I've also read "Rose Daughter", but "Beauty" is my favorite. BTW, do you have that one in paperback? With the Boris Vallejo cover? If you do, get it out and take a look..... Is it just me, or does it look like Beauty has a set of pink horns growing out of her head? For some reason that has always tickled me to no end....... Elizabeth, the recently De-lurked ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 15:32:58 EDT From: MDennis460-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: collaborations Message-ID: <410f1804.24e1d86a-+AT+-aol.com> no apology needed- There is a collaboration between MZB and misty-rediscovery -- in which the terrans rediscover the lost colony-darkover. it's an OK book, the writing styles don't war like they do with if I pay thee not in gold, but it's not the best book in the darkovan series. the plot seems to lack action and the characters depth. I've read MZB for years and this was not a book that kept my interest very well. I would say that you should probably read this from the library before you decide to invest in the volume. I think firebird has a map of valdemar for sale, or you could enlarge one from the front of one of misty's books and embellish as you would wish. If you do the latter, be sure to give credit where you got the map, as it is copywrited material. I think I saw Owlknight is supposed to be out this fall. October, perhaps. check on firebird's website, they'd have the date on there. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 15:48:06 EDT From: LCM46-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: speaking of 'fire' Message-ID: <2c0a2657.24e1dbf6-+AT+-aol.com> In a message dated 08/10/1999 2:50:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu writes: << feeling a deep need to go out and smite the unrighteous) >> GO FOR IT!!! There's plenty of unrighteousness around these days---'smite' someone for me, too, while you're at it, will you please? :-) no ob-misty, 'cause all my observations/queries/etc. have been covered in my years on this list, and I haven't had time to read much of anything, say no less re-read anything by Misty in the past several months. I now return to serious lurking--just couldn't resist a quick post, tho. Lorraine Domestic/Laundry Goddess Appreciator of Penguins But I'm not dead yet! MP/Holy Grail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:46:16 PDT From: bojana gallagher To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: animated movie Message-ID: <19990810204617.65090.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Alright this is the first time I have ever posted as is I am very new to this list (2 days old) So If I screw something up... PLease let me know... ANyways Ever since I first read MWinds series(my first experience of Misty) I have wondered what it would be like to see the Valdemar series as either an animated series or a movie... Does anyoneknow if there is one available or if they like this idea?!? Mike ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:31:16 -0500 From: Mooncrystal To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Van and Leareth; Van/Stef souls Message-ID: <37B09A24.7842E3E2-+AT+-oklahoma-city.crosswinds.net> When van met leareth didn't he say that you are alone...or something along those lines? i lost my book in the tornado and i haven't been able to get another copy of it and i am going crazy!!!!! (5-sheepish grin) :-) i am back after my long exile of having no email! heyla to all the newer people i have not yet met. for all who were on here around the beginning of the year, i don't know if you remember me but heyla anyways! Zhai'helluva and wind to thy wings listsibs mooncrystal and i would love to see if not another van book then someone who is also shaych. that is what hooked me on her books. ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2047 **********************************