MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2055 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Black Swan Spoiler by "Abigail Laughlin" 2) Name pronunciation by "Sharry Adams" 3) Re: Name pronunciation by Carl Hardwick 4) Re: Grove born offspring by Gallen 84 5) Re: Name pronunciation by Paige 6) Question on the Grove-born by Elizabeth Hill 7) Re: Question on the Grove-born by "Abigail Laughlin" 8) Re: Pronunciation of Names by Hlynna Shadowsinger ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:50:10 PDT From: "Abigail Laughlin" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Black Swan Spoiler Message-ID: <19990818185011.3174.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> B L A C K * S W A N * S P O I L E R * <> As I recall, the reason there were black swans is because the women chose to wear black, and that translated to black feathers. Just a moment while I dig out my copy to find out why... Ahh, textevd. Hardback, page 3, the end of the second paragraph: "Nine, including Jeanette and Odile, wore black instead of maidenly white. Eight of the nine wore their sober gowns in ceaseless mourning for what they had lost, in a vain attempt to wrest forgiveness from an unforgiving and implacable master. Odile wore black because her father wished her to, to signify symbolically that she was no creature of Odette's retinue." Zha'hai'allav'a, Raven Darkblade, Holy Hand of the Goddess of Elves, Member of the Mistic Circle, Webmaster of the Circle of Stone, Knight and Founding Member of the Order of Unsung Heroes, Advocator of Eldan, Champion of Kethra and Hyllarr, Devotee of Maclyn, and Worshipper of Tal Rufen; and Mor the raven, her familiar. http://www.angelfire.com/ky/Ashke/ - The Labyrinth _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:55:43 PDT From: "Sharry Adams" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Name pronunciation Message-ID: <19990818205543.7448.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Greetings list-sibs! I haven't posted in what feels like an eternity, but now I finialy have time to add in my 2 cents. :) Silve wrote: >Yfandes= yuh-FAN-deez >Ylsa= YIL-suh >Talia= TAH-lee-uh (I've heard it pronounced both ways, and you can >pronounce >it with an "a" as in "cat", but I've always said it this way.) -------- I think that how we pronounce these names has a lot to do with which English dialect you speak. I am from South Louisiana, and we speak what I would describe as a "flat southern dialect." I can't quite describe it in writing, 'cause it doesn't really fit the normal sylabol code, or whatever you want to call it. I agree with the pronunciation on Yfandes above, but I've always pronounced Ylsa as YUL-suh, I don't know why...that's just what it looked like to me. And I know a girl named Talia, and we pronounce it TAL-yuh (short "a" as in cat). Anyways, that's just my 2 cents. Wind to thy wings, Lovesinger "I do not like green eggs and ham. I do not like them Sam I Am." --Dr. Seuss _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:01:27 -0500 From: Carl Hardwick To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Name pronunciation Message-ID: <37BB2D37.639BC776-+AT+-flash.net> On the Shadow Stalker CD they pronounce Yfandes as if the Y were a long e. I've pronouced Ylsa's name the same way...but that's just me. -Carl Sharry Adams wrote: > Greetings list-sibs! I haven't posted in what feels like an eternity, but > now I finialy have time to add in my 2 cents. :) > > Silve wrote: > > >Yfandes= yuh-FAN-deez > >Ylsa= YIL-suh > >Talia= TAH-lee-uh (I've heard it pronounced both ways, and you can > >pronounce > >it with an "a" as in "cat", but I've always said it this way.) > -------- > I think that how we pronounce these names has a lot to do with which English > dialect you speak. I am from South Louisiana, and we speak what I would > describe as a "flat southern dialect." I can't quite describe it in > writing, 'cause it doesn't really fit the normal sylabol code, or whatever > you want to call it. > I agree with the pronunciation on Yfandes above, but I've always > pronounced Ylsa as YUL-suh, I don't know why...that's just what it looked > like to me. And I know a girl named Talia, and we pronounce it TAL-yuh > (short "a" as in cat). Anyways, that's just my 2 cents. > > Wind to thy wings, > Lovesinger > > "I do not like green eggs and ham. I do not like them Sam I Am." > --Dr. Seuss > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 18:38:28 -0400 From: Gallen 84 To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Grove born offspring Message-ID: <19990818.183828.-3389.0.gallen84-+AT+-juno.com> Silve wrote: >Speaking of names (and surnames), another related topic is the decline >of the >use of nicknames (well, really, shortened versions of the characters >name). >In LHM, basically every character had one (ex: Van, 'Lendel, Stef, >'Fandes, >Randi, Joshe, Tran, Meke, Rad, 'Lenna, Kell, Jays), and in the later >trilogies, they are almost nonexistent. Maybe it's just because the >newer >characters don't really *have* shortened versions of their name to use >(maybe >they would sound funny), but it was just a little topic I'd wondered >about, >so, any thoughts.....? It is possible that, after 200 years, long names became "out of style". More likely, Misty began creating shorter names. LIke the names Talia, Rolan, Firesong, Darkwind, Elspeth, Darian, Dirk, and Kris. You could probably come up with some nicknames, but they wouldn't sound right, like, Elsp or Roly, or something. And some figures demand respect, so you couldn't go around calling them by nicknames, like Tremane, Solaris, and Ulrich. Gallen, aka Wingsister Silvertalon Loyal Subject of the Great Spork Empire Knight of the Order of Amber and Marigold (Hopeful) Member of the Order of Unsung Heroes http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dreamworld/9782/ ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:12:06 -0400 From: Paige To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Name pronunciation Message-ID: <37BB3DC6.7103DE59-+AT+-sympatico.ca> Carl Hardwick wrote: > > On the Shadow Stalker CD they pronounce Yfandes as if the Y were a long e. > I've pronouced Ylsa's name the same way...but that's just me. That's how I always pronounce them, I sort of think of the name Yvonne (pronounced EE-von) when I get to those names. As for Talia I pronounce it the way it reads TAHL-yah (or TAHL-ee-ah - I'm not very good at this :-)) Selenay's the one that gets me. I've heard (read) that it should be sulh-an-ay but I can't stop myself from saying sel-eenay (again, just the way it looks). But that's just *me* -- Paige Proud Mom of Victoria - 15 months Proud to be Outlandish Royal Defender of The Brat There is no "I" in "TEAM"...but there is an "M" and an "E" > Sharry Adams wrote: > > > Greetings list-sibs! I haven't posted in what feels like an eternity, but > > now I finialy have time to add in my 2 cents. :) > > > > Silve wrote: > > > > >Yfandes= yuh-FAN-deez > > >Ylsa= YIL-suh > > >Talia= TAH-lee-uh (I've heard it pronounced both ways, and you can > > >pronounce > > >it with an "a" as in "cat", but I've always said it this way.) > > -------- > > I think that how we pronounce these names has a lot to do with which English > > dialect you speak. I am from South Louisiana, and we speak what I would > > describe as a "flat southern dialect." I can't quite describe it in > > writing, 'cause it doesn't really fit the normal sylabol code, or whatever > > you want to call it. > > I agree with the pronunciation on Yfandes above, but I've always > > pronounced Ylsa as YUL-suh, I don't know why...that's just what it looked > > like to me. And I know a girl named Talia, and we pronounce it TAL-yuh > > (short "a" as in cat). Anyways, that's just my 2 cents. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:39:13 -0500 From: Elizabeth Hill To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Question on the Grove-born Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990818223913.00699c20-+AT+-pop.mindspring.com> Hey all, it's me again..the infamous "now-she-lurks-now-she-doesn't" Elizabeth. I have a question on the Grove-born that's niggled at me since I first read AotQ. In AotQ (PB) page 70, Selenay is telling Talia about the Monarch's Own.... "..the person to fill that position is always Chosen by the Companion of the last Herald to hold it. When that Herald dies, the Companoin leaves the Collegium to search the Kingdom for a successor." This implies to me that the bond between the Herald and a Grove-born Companion cannot be THAT strong, because the Companion just up and picks another, but in AFlight, it's mentioned that Talia's bond with Rolan is one of the strongest ever seen. So what gives? How many times can a Grove-born Companion "Choose", how "powerful" is it and how is the decision made? It's obviously NOT an "once-in-a-lifetime" deal or this couldn't work,.. So its GOT to just be cold, hard choice. ..I may not like you, but you can do the job..like an interview. If THAT'S so, then what if a BETTER candidate pops up a few years later, do you stick it out with the one that's now "second best" or drop that one and pick another..... Does anybody see where I'm going with this? Sorry if it's rambling abit it's late at nite and with all the recent posts on Grove-born I thought I'd bring it up. Elizabeth And to all the sheep out there... SHEAR IT OFF!! SHEAR IT ALL OFF!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 07:12:32 PDT From: "Abigail Laughlin" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Question on the Grove-born Message-ID: <19990819141233.37319.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> <> My understanding here is that it's not so much the strength of the bond as it is the strength of the Companion. First, he is demi-immortal; he neither ages nor sickens. Therefore, something like what was assumed to have happened to Kilchas's Companion--the shock of his Chosen's death causing his health to give out--couldn't happen. I would presume that the MOC is strong enough in spirit to survive the death of his Chosen, and go out and find another. As Talia and Rolan proved, it is not a Choosing by name alone, and obviously makes the choice the same way any other Companion does--by tracking down the one person who 'fits'. (Remember Rolan's Choosing speech.) As to a better candidate turning up--given how coordinated these things are from up above and that the MOC *knows* when he's found his next Chosen, I don't think that could happen. I imagine the MOH would die or retire (can they retire, I wonder? It's implied they can't) around the time he/she ceases to be an effective MOH and there is another candidate. As I recall, Talamir did not do so well with Selenay; he was eventually killed and Talia, at the very young age of 13 or 14 (perhaps Talamir lived beyond his effectiveness because his replacement had to grow up?) was Chosen, filling in the gaps that he couldn't by virtue of being a young woman instead of an old man. Or am I just out of my mind? Zha'hai'allav'a, Raven Darkblade, Holy Hand of the Goddess of Elves, Member of the Mistic Circle, Webmaster of the Circle of Stone, Knight and Founding Member of the Order of Unsung Heroes, Advocator of Eldan, Champion of Kethra and Hyllarr, Devotee of Maclyn, and Worshipper of Tal Rufen; and Mor the raven, her familiar. http://www.angelfire.com/ky/Ashke/ - The Labyrinth _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:11:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Hlynna Shadowsinger To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Pronunciation of Names Message-ID: <19990819161127.12502.rocketmail-+AT+-web124.yahoomail.com> Most names can be heard in the music, available from Firebird Arts and Music. ee-FAHN-days ('s' as in slip, not as in days) VAHN-yell (it's that upside-down 'e' sound, kinda like a guttural 'uh') Also, there is a pronunciation guide at the end of Oathbreakers for Shin'a'in. The cool thing is that these names are spelled like they would sound if they were typical English names. I mean, how would you say "Yvonne"? ee-VAHN, right? That sound for the 'y' is the same in Yfandes. Thats my 2 cents. Hlynna === hlynna-+AT+-linuxchix.org http://www.angelfire.com/mi/hlynna/index.html Web page is always under construction...but have fun :) -------------------------------- Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult. 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