MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2122 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: on the matter of a would be relative by ShadowDreamer 2) Re: on the matter of a would be relative by LW 3) Pointless Fluff-ish stuff by "Korendel k'Vesta" 4) related to characters by "Ambermoon Shadowstar" 5) Re: related to characters by "Sarah Ardern" 6) Magic in Valdemar by "Sharry Adams" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 20:35:43 -0600 From: ShadowDreamer To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: on the matter of a would be relative Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19991029203543.006f3220-+AT+-mail> Lightwing says: >Being related to Vanyel most likely you would not have any gifts like that. > They states in some of the books that the majority doesn't have the gifts >like Vanyel. Vanyel wouldn't have had them except in potention if it >hadn't been for the burning open of the channels. I believe in one of the >books they said something on the lines of When an Ashkevron has a gift they >usually run off to Haven and are not like the rest of the family in looks. I dunno, most of his kids that we hear about are Gifted... as well as his only decendants that we really know about. (and the original author said specifically "a decendant of Vanyel".) However, personally I'd like to be related to Jadus, I think. =) Especially if the Bardic gift bred true in the line, although any Gift would be cool. MorningStar ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 10:12:31 -0400 From: LW To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: on the matter of a would be relative Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19991030101231.0079fba0-+AT+-idirect.ca> At 03:07 AM 10/30/99 GMT, you wrote: >Lightwing says: > >>Being related to Vanyel most likely you would not have any gifts like that. >> They states in some of the books that the majority doesn't have the gifts >>like Vanyel. Vanyel wouldn't have had them except in potention if it >>hadn't been for the burning open of the channels. I believe in one of the >>books they said something on the lines of When an Ashkevron has a gift they >>usually run off to Haven and are not like the rest of the family in looks. > >I dunno, most of his kids that we hear about are Gifted... as well as his >only decendants that we really know about. (and the original author said >specifically "a decendant of Vanyel".) However, personally I'd like to be >related to Jadus, I think. =) Especially if the Bardic gift bred true in >the line, although any Gift would be cool. > >MorningStar > As Kera said though she used a quote from the book. And as for Vanyels kids on 3 out of the 4 were gifted. And in the case of the 3 that are both the biological parents were gifted. Also in Winds books you hear about the Ashkevron family and when they go to the manor there are many there. Most aren't gifted. AS for Jadus didn't all his family pass away. I know in Arrows they talked a small bit about his family and how they weren't around. But Jadus would be an interesting character to be related too. Lightwing ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 09:26:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Korendel k'Vesta" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Pointless Fluff-ish stuff Message-ID: <19991030162639.10220.rocketmail-+AT+-web1306.mail.yahoo.com> Heyla all... Just a mindless though for all of you... Do you ever look in the tv guide or at the preview channel and see that the discovery channel has a show entitled 'Storm Warning'? Do you ever flip to that channel on the dumb chance that it's a Valdemar special? ~*Korendel*~ ===== ~*Korendel k'Vesta*~ ~*Stealer of Names and Changer of Spellings*~ ~*Kalma-Shait Nzambi Tripeta Leshy'a Psyche'Bes (AOL RPG)*~ ~*Notorious Lackey Fiend and Renaissance Faire Junkie*~ ~*Truth can hardly be held in the same light as vanity*~ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 13:24:55 EDT From: "Ambermoon Shadowstar" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: related to characters Message-ID: <19991030172455.90740.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Heyla, Someone asked about relatives of Urtho; Lady Cinnabar was one. I don't believe their exact relation was ever stated, and I am too lazy to look for specific textevd. However, if Cinnabar and Tamsin had children, there could still be people around of Urtho's family. On the subject of Vanyel's descendents, one must consider the fact that all the Monarchs of Valdemar count as such. I wonder if any of them had the Mage-Gift, which was not found due to Vanyel's spell. It stands to reason that some of them would have, and some of those would have been Adepts, like Elspeth and Firesong. It seems a little suspicious to me that in all those years not one member of the royal family has ever discovered their power; it's not as if they never poked foot out of Valdemar. If anyone can come up with an explanation other than "it doesn't fit the plot", I'd appreciate hearing it. For who I'd personally like to be related to, I'd have to agree with whoever chose Nightwind. I'd be Kaled'a'in, have grown up with gryphons, be able to go live with the Tayledras, and best of all, I'd meet Firesong! my favourite flavour of sheep . . . so many to choose from . . . . raspberry chocolate sheep to all, Ambermoon Singer of Fire Royal Defender of the Brat ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 13:26:18 PDT From: "Sarah Ardern" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: related to characters Message-ID: <941315178.23806.459-+AT+-excite.com> Ambermoon wrote : Snip >one must consider the fact that all the Monarchs of Valdemar count as such. I wonder if any of them had the Mage-Gift, which was not found due to Vanyel's spell. It stands to reason that some of them would have, and some of those would have been Adepts, like Elspeth and Firesong. It seems a little suspicious to me that in all those years not one member of the royal family has ever discovered their power; it's not as if they never poked foot out of Valdemar. If anyone can come up with an explanation other than "it doesn't fit the plot", I'd appreciate hearing it. snip Well IMHO i think the reason that no-one "discovered" their mage gift was that Valdemar wasn't ready for it. I mean, in the winds/storms books there aren't very many hearald-mages for Elspeth/Darkwind to train. There needed to be enough mages for it to be any use at all. Or maybe everyone else's mage-gift was dormant and it just needed Elspeth's to ignite the rest of them. On the subject of relations, i would want to be related to Kero. It would be really fun (IMO) to be one of her kids (not that she would want kids but...) because you'd inherit genetically Kero's energy etc and you'd have her as an excellent teacher. Well that's added my tuppence to the conversations Zhai'helleva Moonstalker :) She'enedra to Brynn Reader of sci-fi/fantasy esp. Terry Pratchett and Mercedes Lackey. Proud owner of most Discworld books. "Friends, however distant, are always present." - Cicerro ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 15:15:59 PDT From: "Sharry Adams" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Magic in Valdemar Message-ID: <19991030221600.37905.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Heyla listsibs! Ambermoon wrote: However, if Cinnabar and Tamsin had children, there could still be people around of Urtho's family. ---------- They did have children...or at least one daughter. I don't remember her name, but she was one of the main characters in Silver Gryphon. ----------- On the subject of Vanyel's descendents, one must consider the fact that all the Monarchs of Valdemar count as such. I wonder if any of them had the Mage-Gift, which was not found due to Vanyel's spell. It stands to reason that some of them would have, and some of those would have been Adepts, like Elspeth and Firesong. It seems a little suspicious to me that in all those years not one member of the royal family has ever discovered their power; it's not as if they never poked foot out of Valdemar. If anyone can come up with an explanation other than "it doesn't fit the plot", I'd appreciate hearing it. ------------- Well, it is possible that the monarchs never did leave Valdemar. It seems unlikely, but I don't remember it ever being mentioned where Seleny leaves Valdemar, so maybe no monarch has. They have dignataries and diplomats to do all the treaty-making, peace-keeping stuff. So, if the monarchs never left Valdemar, they'd never discover their mage-gift because the gift could not have been discovered within the borders because of Vanyel's boundry. But, I think the biggest part of the "no magic in Valdemar" thing had to do with the bards' "spell" of forgetting magic. By Seleny's time, no one BELIEVED in magic. Belief is powerful....if you don't believe in something, it can never be true to you. Pumpkin-shaped sheep cookies to all! Lovesinger ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2122 **********************************