MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2127 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Magic by "David Bell" 2) Re: Magic by Orelalaith 3) Re: focus stones by Amy Trujillo 4) Re: focus stones by Brightsong_-+AT+-webtv.net (Jenny H.) 5) Re: Magic by "David H. Tiffany" 6) Re: focus stones by Amy Trujillo 7) Re: Magic by VanyelAshkervon-+AT+-aol.com 8) Re: Magic by LW 9) High fantasy, modern fantasy, sci-fy by J80Kath-+AT+-aol.com 10) Fav. Misty Style by "Korendel k'Vesta" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 19:49:13 PST From: "David Bell" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Magic Message-ID: <19991104034913.39979.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> On the subject of magic.... The other point is people in Valdemar Can't remember magic. Even those who have seen it worked have to keep being reminded about it. If I remember rightly, During the early war with Ancar the royal court had trouble remembering about magic's existance and it is only the foreign influences (Kero, daran etc.) That prevent it being ignored totally. As to characters to be related to, as long as it's not restricted to Valdemar, I'd take the Human mage in Born To Run (SERRAted edge vol 1.) Unfortunately I've just blanked on his name, drat my memory. David Bell. Untitled but self agrandising. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 23:29:04 -0500 (EST) From: Orelalaith To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Magic Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Nov 1999, David Bell wrote: > > > On the subject of magic.... > The other point is people in Valdemar Can't remember magic. Even those > who have seen it worked have to keep being reminded about it. If I remember > rightly, During the early war with Ancar the royal court had trouble > remembering about magic's existance and it is only the foreign influences > (Kero, daran etc.) That prevent it being ignored totally. > As to characters to be related to, as long as it's not restricted to > Valdemar, I'd take the Human mage in Born To Run (SERRAted edge vol 1.) > Unfortunately I've just blanked on his name, drat my memory. Tannim... ::grin:: He's my favorite charator too... Question for everyone, which genre do you like misty's writings best in? Sci-fi (wing commander, ship that searched, etc.) Modern fantasy (Di Tregarde, SERRATed, etc) High fantasy (Valdemar), other? I mean, I see mostly chats about her high fantasy... but personally, I think her modern fantasy and her sci-fis are the best... ::shrug:: Personally, I think it's a pity that her high fantasy seem to be the most popular... I like her other stuff better... ::shrug:: Call me a wierdo... :) > > David Bell. > Untitled but self agrandising. > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > * -------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Eventually we come to a point where High Science becomes indistinguishable from High Magick" -NOT misquoting A.C. Clark, CORRECTLY quoting me! * -------------------------------------------------------------------- * http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~avariel uid : hsug-+AT+-ug.cs.sunysb.edu * -------------------------------------------------------------------- * ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 22:59:25 -0600 From: Amy Trujillo To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: focus stones Message-ID: <382112AD.1E1A4DBD-+AT+-southwind.net> LW wrote: > You are right that there is no more mention again of the focus stones. But > if the tayledras don't use it then why wo uld Vanyel. Vanyel was trained > by the Hawk Brothers. Also you think someone would have wrote it down in > the archives about how to do it. And once the ban on magic was released > they would have been able to find it. > > >it just something that the Tayledras don't use? I'm thinking that maybe > >the answer because with the vale hearstones they would have no need of > >focus stone and they would leave them out of their teach and therefore > >out of the mage craft that the Heralds use now. > > Hmmmmmmmmm. What about Valdemar though. It had an abundance of nodes > thatthe adepts could use. And then Vanyel made the heartstone. > > I always th ought the focus was more for the individual. I mean something > that can help them concentrate and relax. But in LHM they used it to pull > power through. So you never know why nothing is said about it again. Well I've been thinking about this somemore, maybe its something that was particular to the Herald Mages. Savil and Vanyel were trained by the Hawkbrothers but, especially with Savil, they were first trained by the Colegium. I'm wondering if it had something to do with the old gaurdian system they had before Vanyel created the web and the vrondi spell? The stones could also have been particular to the school that Baron Valdemar and his people had in the beginning, although if this was true you'd think there would have been mention of it when Misty looks at the Empire since that was the origin of their people. chocolate strawberry marshmallow sheep to everyone Amy Ferret Friend Lady of All Things Missing, Especially Socks ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 07:13:07 -0600 (CST) From: Brightsong_-+AT+-webtv.net (Jenny H.) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: focus stones Message-ID: <26514-38218663-486-+AT+-storefull-247.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Listsibs (epecially Amy) I believe i can shed some light on the matter of Focuses. I don't know about what Misty had in mind when she wrote LHM, but as a Daughter of a LOOOOOOOONG line of Wiccans, I can tell you a little bit more about focuses. Most Wiccans have a focus, my coven ususaly uses stones on necklaces. mine is tiger's eye. It just helps people focus their power and concentrate better. Well i gotta go to school **sigh** Blessed Be and Zhai'helleva! Brightsong and her red-tail Wren. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 06:02:02 -0800 (PST) From: "David H. Tiffany" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Magic Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Nov 1999, Orelalaith wrote: > High fantasy (Valdemar), other? Just to play Devil's Advocate for a minute... Are the Valgrath books "High Fantasy?" (whatever *that* means, it's all scifi to me!) After all we have an explanation of one kind of magic, mind magic, which is obviously based on psi which is a scientific concept. We also have engineers(in the modern sense of the word), steam boilers and other scientific concepts floating around. Hardly the mideval meliu of "pure" (again, whatever the heck *that* means) fantasy! So, if you must divide the genere, are the Valdemar books actually cleverly disguised science fiction? David H Tiffany, God ofr Tipoffs btw, I got my books from the *Science Fiction* Book Club! 8-{)# ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 13:45:19 -0600 From: Amy Trujillo To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: focus stones Message-ID: <3821E24F.8C2E8A2B-+AT+-southwind.net> Heyla listsibs, Good points, and I knew about that aspect of focus stones. But now that I am thinking about it I wonder if this is the reason that Misty might have stopped refering to them. With all the trouble she had with people threatening her over the Di Tregarde books, I'm wondering if she didn't eliminate things like that just to get people off her back. Yes she still uses many many forms of magic in her books but the use of stones might have been one of the problem areas. Just a thought Amy Ferret Friend Lady of All Things Missing, Especiallly Socks "Jenny H." wrote: > Listsibs (epecially Amy) I believe i can shed some light on the matter > of Focuses. I don't know about what Misty had in mind when she wrote > LHM, but as a Daughter of a LOOOOOOOONG line of Wiccans, I can tell you > a little bit more about focuses. Most Wiccans have a focus, my coven > ususaly uses stones on necklaces. mine is tiger's eye. It just helps > people focus their power and concentrate better. Well i gotta go to > school **sigh** > Blessed Be and Zhai'helleva! > Brightsong and her red-tail Wren. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 15:10:54 EST From: VanyelAshkervon-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Magic Message-ID: <0.93a30068.2553424e-+AT+-aol.com> ::chuckles:: Well, you are a most amusing group of listsibs, I'm really enjoying these conversations.. and this letter will be in reply to a few of them. 1. I would definitely choose to be related to Vanyel. He's just such an awesome guy.. and besides being also related to all those other awesome people like Savil and Lissa and such.. there'd also be a chance to have his mage-powers too.. since it is a hereditary gift. 2. I love all of Mercedes Lackey's books, but the whole Valdemar series is definitely my favorite considering I adore things that are.. ah.. medieval. 3. Back to focus stones again. Like Brightsong said, the focus stone is a way to help you concentrate. It was also used kind of like a.. container would be the best word I can think of. The mage could fill it with energy, and since the focus stone is keyed *into* the mage.. the energy would already be partially converted for him/her to use. As most of you have probably noted from reading through Misty's books.. drawing energy from the nodes actually *uses* some of the mage's own energy.. he has to tame it to his will, after all ^_- So I guess the point I'm trying to make is that.. by using a focus stone the mage wouldn't have to use so much of his own energy to tap into the energy of the nodes, plus it would let him store a lot more energy. Like if said mage was making a gate.. well once he fell on his nose on the other side he could pull some of the energy from his focus stone to regain a bit of his power. Especially useful if one is gating to a place where there aren't any nodes and only very very weak ley lines, ne? Vanyel P.S. Heh, almost forgot.. ^_^ Anyone know any Stefens? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 15:27:54 -0500 From: LW To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Magic Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19991104152754.0079db70-+AT+-idirect.ca> >Question for everyone, which genre do you like misty's writings best in? >Sci-fi (wing commander, ship that searched, etc.) Modern fantasy (Di >Tregarde, SERRATed, etc) High fantasy (Valdemar), other? I mean, I see >mostly chats about her high fantasy... but personally, I think her modern >fantasy and her sci-fis are the best... ::shrug:: Personally, I think >it's a pity that her high fantasy seem to be the most popular... I like >her other stuff better... ::shrug:: Call me a wierdo... :) > I like her Valdemar stuff the best. Then I would have to say her Serrated Edge books and then her two books she wrote with Andre Norton. I love ElvenBane and Elvenblood. I also loved "If I pay thee not in gold" Lightwing ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:52:57 EST From: J80Kath-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: High fantasy, modern fantasy, sci-fy Message-ID: <0.91418f39.25535a39-+AT+-aol.com> In a message dated 11/3/99 9:16:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, ghsu-+AT+-ic.sunysb.edu writes: << Tannim... ::grin:: He's my favorite charator too... Question for everyone, which genre do you like misty's writings best in? Sci-fi (wing commander, ship that searched, etc.) Modern fantasy (Di Tregarde, SERRATed, etc) High fantasy (Valdemar), other? I mean, I see mostly chats about her high fantasy... but personally, I think her modern fantasy and her sci-fis are the best... ::shrug:: Personally, I think it's a pity that her high fantasy seem to be the most popular... I like her other stuff better... ::shrug:: Call me a wierdo... :) >> I haven't really read anything other than her high fantasy, which I might add I thouroghly enjoy. I like the fact that it is totally different from the life I live in, it kind of gives me a release from the stresses of reality, my escape if you will. But, I am willing to try something new, which of her other series would be best to start with? mirra ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 14:22:25 -0800 (PST) From: "Korendel k'Vesta" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Fav. Misty Style Message-ID: <19991104222225.27994.rocketmail-+AT+-web1301.mail.yahoo.com> --- Orelalaith wrote: > On Thu, 4 Nov 1999, David Bell wrote: > Question for everyone, which genre do you like > misty's writings best in? > Sci-fi (wing commander, ship that searched, etc.) > Modern fantasy (Di > Tregarde, SERRATed, etc) High fantasy (Valdemar), > other Ooohhhhhh... That is the first question I ask anyone I meet IRL that reads Misty... ::sighs happily:: I, personally, am a Valdemar freak. I love anything that even remotely menchions Valdemar ('cept for the Gryphen books which drove me crazy. Grr...). BUT... I guess I really have to say that "modern", urban fantasy books run neck and neck with Valdemar. I absolutly adored the Bardz books (deffinetly a favorite series!), and the SEARRAted books were great as well... Actually... what am I saying!? I really love all types of Misty books... Though I've tried reading 'Wing Commander' on three different occations and just can't get into it... ::sighs:: Anyway... Oh! Here's a question... Have any of you gotten 'The River's Gift' yet?? I saw it a Borders the other night and almost dished out the $14 for it. I know I'll be getting it befor Christmas anyway, but I'd love to know everyone's oppinions on it befor I go out and buy it... Presto! ~*Korendel*~ ===== ~*Korendel k'Vesta*~ ~*Stealer of Names and Changer of Spellings*~ ~*Kalma-Shait Nzambi Tripeta Leshy'a Psyche'Bes (AOL RPG)*~ ~*Notorious Lackey Fiend and Renaissance Faire Junkie*~ ~*Truth can hardly be held in the same light as vanity*~ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2127 **********************************