From skyfire at t-online.de Fri Nov 1 04:01:38 2002 From: skyfire at t-online.de (Khenta) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:01:38 -0800 Subject: [LMB] Brainstorming: Trailer Trash Haut Lady References: <3DBE1726.8080801@lvhot.org> Message-ID: <3DC1FCA2.625F0EAA@t-online.de> Robert wrote: > It gets worse. Picture *TWO* TTHLs...each in their self mobile vinyl > ballons (this part is important)...having an altercation over Bubba > the Ba...in a con hotel hallway. Why does that make me think of the Cetagandan version of _Absolutely Fabulous_? ;) And yes, since I grew up on (and still am consuming) US-made TV shows, I'm familiar with the concept of Trailer Trash. But I think Agnes is right. IMO, it's an USAian phenomenon, and anybody not at least a bit familiar with the culture might not understand it. Sinti and Roma (the Rom) don't really compare, since they some from a very different culture. -- Khenta --------________--------________-------- From kelts at earthlink.net Fri Nov 1 00:11:42 2002 From: kelts at earthlink.net (Laura Gallagher) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:11:42 -0800 Subject: [LMB] Future Book Wishes OT: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002901c2813b$4200d6c0$e5432904@gallagher> >Meg Justus wrote: >>> Sue Grafton: "Q is for..." (I can't *wait* to see >>> what she does with that awkward letter....) Andrew Lambdin-Abraham wrote: >>I had Quarrel in mind myself, the kind that leads to marital >> issues, murders, etc. > George S. Vaughan > When I first saw that, I wondered how you thought she would > work in a crossbow into a marriage. I know plenty of married SCAdian couples who discuss crossbows. (have been in such a marital discussion myself, if only in a low key way.) Actually, working out a plot where the reader started out expecting Quarrel as in argument - and the denouement proved to involve a Quarrel as in crossbow, that could be very interesting. Laura Gallagher --------________--------________-------- From bhosler at partners.org Fri Nov 1 00:14:46 2002 From: bhosler at partners.org (Betsy Hosler) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 19:14:46 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Re: Future Book Wishes OT: In-Reply-To: <200210311201.MAA28210@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: Agree with various suggestions: >Tony Hillerman > >The next Bazhell Barakson book from David Weber. > I think I remember reading that this was on his writing schedule. Don't know how far down the queue. >The third novel in Heather Gladney's Naga Teot books. It's been years and years. Anyone know if this might ever exist? The _Fortress Draconis_ sequel from Michael Stackpole, and another Talion book from him. Though it sounds like he's unlikely to write that due to economics. Lynn Fflwelling - going back to Alex and Seregil. _The Bone Doll's Twin_ just wasn't as interesting to me. _Childe Morgan_ from Katherine Kurtz. Although I half-expect to be disappointed when it comes out. Timothy Zahn - anything, I suppose. He writes such a variety. Though more on the blackcollars and _Warhorse_ would be of interest. Betsy H. --------________--------________-------- From meyer at securecomputing.com Fri Nov 1 00:32:25 2002 From: meyer at securecomputing.com (Paul Meyer) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 18:32:25 -0600 Subject: [LMB] Pat Wrede reading in November Message-ID: <200211010032.SAA26193@komarr.sctc.com> Time to delurk for a moment. I was over on Dreamhaven's web page looking to see if they had any pictures from Lois and company's mass signing last night. I had to miss it due to last minute family stuff. Anyhoo, I see the following that many listees would like to know about: === Tuesday, November 19th, 6:30pm, Lake Street store Patricia C. Wrede will be reading. Her fantasy novels include the Enchanted Forest Chronicles, the Lyra series, Mairelon the Magician, The Magician's Ward, and Sorcery and Cecilia (co-written with Caroline Stevermer). This event is part of the Speculations Readings Series, a co-production of SF Minnesota and S.A.S.E. - The Write Place. FFI: eheideman at qwest.net. === Paul M (back to lurkerdom) --------________--------________-------- From adamek at mac.com Fri Nov 1 01:04:01 2002 From: adamek at mac.com (Adam Ek) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 17:04:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LMB] Fashion Cops Pizza Message-ID: <4895604.1036112641188.JavaMail.adamek@mac.com> HOW many days has Fashion Cop been going on? Adam Ek adamek at mac.com --------________--------________-------- From gerria2000 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 1 01:04:25 2002 From: gerria2000 at yahoo.com (Gerri Alexander) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 17:04:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LMB] LMB] Future Book Wishes OT: Message-ID: <20021101010425.65266.qmail@web9904.mail.yahoo.com> "lorraine fletez-brant" wrote "Give me a lovely story about Ebola and Marburg, or some hideous epidemic raging through the US and I'm happy as an unboiled lobster" Well, this is a true story--Several years ago when we were living (in a trailer!) in Flagstaff, Az, I had just read a nonfiction book about Bubonic plague. I went outside and there was a prairie dog standing up in our yard (yes, we had an actual yard and garden). He just stood there without running away, which was very strange. I went back inside, when I came out again he had slumped over dead. Ordinarilly, we just would have buried it and thought nothing more, but from reading about plague and strange behavior in animals I knew we should call the county health department. They sent a guy over who picked it up, but laughed and said it couldn't have plague, but thanks anyway, they'd check it, let us know in a week or so if anything was wrong etc, ha, ha, ha. A couple of days later 2 very serious guys came from the county and wanted to know where our cat got the prairie dog. They wouldn't believe that it had come on its own! Finally they left, said it had plague and they had to scout the neighborhood. It turned out that there was a prairie dog village in the grounds of the local schoolyard. They were all dead. This was the weekend before school was to start. The grounds were all blocked off with police tape, when school started the kids were only allowed to play in the equipment next to the school while they worked over the rest of the area. Of course the kids weren't happy about it. But it was very cool that we knew what to do, instead of just burying the animal! Gerri Alexander --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now --------________--------________-------- From adkinslawfirm at mindspring.com Fri Nov 1 01:30:03 2002 From: adkinslawfirm at mindspring.com (Marty L. Adkins) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:30:03 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Fashion Cops and Guides OT: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.1.20021031202413.00a05c70@pop3.norton.antivirus> Lorraine sagely advises: >Well, you start out VERY slowly! Bit by bit, you add to the collection, >until before they know it, they're surrounded and don't quite know how it >happened. Too true, Lorraine! I can avow, aver, and affirm that it works for books as well as critters. After enough years of marriage, although token [adorable ;)] whimpers are heard from time to time, you know they really love them. Jerrie, whose husband a) used to think of himself as a dog person, until he found out how convenient cats for the con-goers among us and b) who collects law and baseball books from sheer self-defense. --------________--------________-------- From m.dolbear at lineone.net Fri Nov 1 01:34:50 2002 From: m.dolbear at lineone.net (Michael R N Dolbear) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 01:34:50 -0000 Subject: [LMB] OT: Andre Norton very ill - repost from Baens Bar Message-ID: > To: Recipients of 'podium' suppressed > Subject: Andre Norton very ill > Date: 01 November 2002 00:07 UT ( Thu, 31 Oct 2002 18:07:25 -0600) > > From: "Arnold Bailey" After being sworn to secrecy, I have just been permitted to release this information. One of the seminal authors of our field, Andre Norton, is gravely ill. She was admitted to the hospital last Monday for surgery, and is still there. More to the point, her spirits have sunk to a life-threatening low. She needs to know just how highly regarded she is in our community, and she needs to know now. "We" are keeping the location of the hospital and room "secret", because she cannot have visitors and we don't want to overwhelm her with autograph-hounds when she needs to be getting stronger, not being disturbed---this is already a problem as word of her illness has percolated into the local community in Tennessee. The hospital in question will deny that she is there. Please send cards and letters to: Andre Norton 114 Eventide Drive Murfreesboro TN 37130 If you wish to send flowers, you may also send them to this address, but direct the florist to leave them on the porch if no one is home. Andre's two friends who are caring for her will make sure they are brought to her, but they are spending most of the time at the hospital, and so may not be there. (If this gets to be a problem, arrangements will be made for frequent pick-up!) Please do not send food, as she is on a liquids-only diet. You may send e-cards to: Andre Norton E-mail Address(es): highhallack at mindspring.com Again, her friends will make sure she gets to see them. Misty ========== --------________--------________-------- From adkinslawfirm at mindspring.com Fri Nov 1 01:56:00 2002 From: adkinslawfirm at mindspring.com (Marty L. Adkins) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:56:00 -0500 Subject: [LMB] OT: "Skinwalkers" on PBS Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.1.20021031205506.00a01500@pop3.norton.antivirus> I've got November 24 marked on the calendar; check your local listings 'round about then. Hth, Jerrie --------________--------________-------- From zafaran at sff.net Fri Nov 1 02:00:46 2002 From: zafaran at sff.net (Patricia A. Swan) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 21:00:46 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Fashion textevd from Cetaganda In-Reply-To: <00a901c2807c$69fec700$42eaaad8@tds.net> References: <3DBEE294.1000400@lvhot.org> <00b801c27fbf$fd724240$42eaaad8@tds.net> <3DBF6C3F.7020004@lvhot.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20021031205133.026c2e00@pop3.sff.net> At 07:25 PM 10/30/2002 -0600, D Echelbarger wrote: >Pat Swan suggested: > > > DharmaTrading.com has enough different types > > and weights of white silk to make at least six > > layers and more like 9 or 15. And the prices > > are *really* good. > >Yeah, not bad at all, except that you have to buy >it in 11 or 50 yard lots. On the pages I looked at, you had three options, 1) custom cut yardage, or 2) entire 11 yard bolt, or 3) entire 50 yard bolt. Of course, when I by fabrics I usually buy the equivalent of the 11-yard bolt anyway since I tend to do multiple sewing sessions out of one type of fabric. Their prices are so good, I am probably going to get some silk. I've got one old dress of pongee silk that I absolutely adored, and I wore it as a nightgown after the style went out of fashion as a regular dress until the seams came apart, and I wouldn't mind having more silk to wear since it is delightfully comfortable, and my wardrobe is getting very thin--partly because I've gained weight with the disability problems and a lot of stuff no longer fits, and partly because I've completely worn them out to the point of transparency in some cases. Pat in North Carolina --------________--------________-------- From adie_lisbeth at yahoo.ca Fri Nov 1 02:05:16 2002 From: adie_lisbeth at yahoo.ca (Adie Carter) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 21:05:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [LMB] re: awful realization In-Reply-To: <20021031230227.85881.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20021101020516.29642.qmail@web21504.mail.yahoo.com> Raye Johnsen wrote: I don't think *any* of it was class bounds. As far as they knew, her other option was Alexei Vor- koi? (Can't remember the rest - bad Raye, no shortbread biscuit.) *grins* Vormoncrief. I didn't like him, so I yelled about him a lot to my best friend. I agree though, a lot of it was mutie fear. Hugo only sort saw Miles on the outside, a deformal little freak who didn't deserve to be an heir and was on the receiving end of a helluva lot of nepotism. But I think Hugo was only trying to go the right thing by Ekaterin. She's family and he does love her. Vormoncrief was a...relatively nice, stable guy on the outside, and within Ekaterin's rank. Why should Hugo believe that Ekaterin *could* have better? Her whole "why shouldn't I have a planet" thing sort of explained that. Hugo lived a decent life with a decent income and wanted Ekaterin to do the same. He can't really see the possibilities of a better life because he hasn't really experienced one himself as a..middle-class sort of Vor, I guess. *grins* Good ol' Hugo. (even though I did want to slap him and Vassily by the end...) Adie --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals --------________--------________-------- From bujoldjunkie at tds.net Fri Nov 1 02:18:13 2002 From: bujoldjunkie at tds.net (D Echelbarger) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:18:13 -0600 Subject: [LMB] OT: Heyer Recommendations References: <20021031232013.99529.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001301c2814c$eea84d20$42eaaad8@tds.net> Raye said: > Of course, you can always read Heyer's detective > novels, of which the only title I can remember is > Behold, Here's Poison, but they're excellent also. I'm afraid I have to disagree. I bought her "Why Shoot A Butler?" and found it profoundly un-interesting. Cliche'd hero, utterly uncompelling plot... very much a "formula" book of its type, with downright stereotypical (read "cardboard") characters. Which surprised me because her romances are definitely *not* full of stereotypical characters. I love Heyer's romances, and own all of them, but I won't buy another of her detective stories. Diane E --------________--------________-------- From marna at redmaplegrove.org Fri Nov 1 03:06:27 2002 From: marna at redmaplegrove.org (Marna Nightingale) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 22:06:27 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Re: Costumes References: <20021031.140457.570.504546@webmail2.wlv.untd.com> Message-ID: <3DC1EFAB.5BF8B911@redmaplegrove.org> > Kirsten ("Speaking glance") Edwards Is BACK! *boing* *boing* *boing* *boing* *boing* *boing* *boing* *boing* *boing* *boing* *boing* *boing* *boing* *boing* *boing* *boing* *boing* *boing* *boing* *boing* *boing* *boing* *boing* *boing* *boing* *boing* *boing* *boing* *boing* *boing* *boing* *boing* *boing* *boing* *boing* *boing* *boing* *boing* *boing* *boing* Marna. --------________--------________-------- From margali at 99main.com Fri Nov 1 03:14:45 2002 From: margali at 99main.com (Marilyn Traber) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 22:14:45 -0500 Subject: [LMB] awful realization - you might be a redneck... References: <20021031064833.18319.qmail@web14401.mail.yahoo.com> <000601c280ac$e6488dc0$09b81e43@LAPTOP> Message-ID: <3DC1F1A5.20103@99main.com> Actually, my deep dark confession is that my ex-hi=usband John is married to my husband Rob's ex-fiancee Dawn.... And they were roommates in the navy before they moved in with me. We came to the determination that I married the wrong one [he asked me first] so we had a very amicable parting. Their daughter is named after me. margali or if not redneck, at least a geraldo or oprah show;-) >> > Miles made a comment about being related to Yuri the Mad through several > different directions. > > Looking at the geneaologies of European royal families, the degree of > inbreeding is appalling. I was glancing at a book in a Barnes and Noble > the other day. They didn't QUITE land up as their own grandpaws, but it > was close. > --------________--------________-------- From margali at 99main.com Fri Nov 1 03:21:20 2002 From: margali at 99main.com (Marilyn Traber) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 22:21:20 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Halloween OT: References: Message-ID: <3DC1F330.5090602@99main.com> Black velvet elizabethan, full ruff and cuffs. White brocade forepart with topaz colored czech bead florettes to match my earrings, white linen chemise. sneakers ;-) margali > Lorraine queries: > >>Happy Halloween to all the listees who celebrate it! What are >>you wearing? I assume you are all in costume. >> --------________--------________-------- From margali at 99main.com Fri Nov 1 03:25:19 2002 From: margali at 99main.com (Marilyn Traber) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 22:25:19 -0500 Subject: [LMB] OT: Sushi References: <3DC0CEE8.4080308@lvhot.org> <3DC123BA.6050104@99main.com> <3DC14B8B.2060102@lvhot.org> Message-ID: <3DC1F41F.7000803@99main.com> Well, I was tempted to put in for a transfer to the bay area, there is an opening there but I don't think the income would be up to the outgo of maintaining me there and paying some on the homestead back east here in CT until Rob gets out of the navy next year. ;-( So doing bait will have to wait until I have a bit more money, and a good reason for coming out [like hot springs, sushi to go and perhaps some con or another to attend;-)] margali Robert Parks wrote: > Well, it isn't as if I do this sort of thing once a year! Actually, > this was a little different from usual. Didn't go to the usual > place...an ex-Ebisu chef is working in the wilds of San Mateo (20 miles > down the Peninsula), got inspired to email the gang and suggest the > trip...ended up with 6 of the Ebisu regulars. Kevin-san is keen on > putting bottles in front of you... > > Robert --------________--------________-------- From marna at redmaplegrove.org Fri Nov 1 03:41:46 2002 From: marna at redmaplegrove.org (Marna Nightingale) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 22:41:46 -0500 Subject: Subject: Re: [LMB] was Fashion textevd from Cetaganda/nowHalloween References: Message-ID: <3DC1F7F1.3D7D6BDC@redmaplegrove.org> lorraine fletez-brant wrote: > Hee. Actually, Happy Halloween to all the listees who celebrate it! What are > you wearing? I assume you are all in costume. We eventually decided I was "Witchcraft Barbie" Or, when I was feeling snide, Silver Ravenwolf. :-) Over the knee purple suede boots Fishnets Black suede mini Black sweater with black fur cuffs. Purple and black boa much purple glittery makeup Black witch's hat with purple marobou trim (accessories sold seperately) Black and purple cloak Sparkly wand from Mrs Tiggywinkles 5 colours of glitter -- I sprinkled many many people with fairy dust. Sadly, nobody had film, so unless I recreate it, no pics. Sian and TSiv were witches as well. Lotta witches out there in my department today. :-) So that was the fun fluffy Halowe'en stuff. Tonight, Samhain. Marna. --------________--------________-------- From marna at redmaplegrove.org Fri Nov 1 03:47:42 2002 From: marna at redmaplegrove.org (Marna Nightingale) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 22:47:42 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Halloween OT: References: Message-ID: <3DC1F954.A802F244@redmaplegrove.org> "Padget, Scott R" wrote: > I'm in the burgundy tux. > > And so far this morning, two men have guessed that I was a pimp Well, you've got the inventory.... *g,d,rvvf* Marna. --------________--------________-------- From a.abraham at mail.utexas.edu Fri Nov 1 03:49:41 2002 From: a.abraham at mail.utexas.edu (Andrew Lambdin-Abraham) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 21:49:41 -0600 Subject: [LMB] Halloween OT: In-Reply-To: <3DC1F954.A802F244@redmaplegrove.org> Message-ID: On Thursday, October 31, 2002, at 09:47 PM, Marna Nightingale wrote: > "Padget, Scott R" wrote: > >> I'm in the burgundy tux. >> >> And so far this morning, two men have guessed that I was a pimp > > Well, you've got the inventory.... > > *g,d,rvvf* > > Marna. But think of the shipping costs! Andrew --------________--------________-------- From marna at redmaplegrove.org Fri Nov 1 04:00:31 2002 From: marna at redmaplegrove.org (Marna Nightingale) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 23:00:31 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Halloween OT: References: Message-ID: <3DC1FC54.2CA1DCE0@redmaplegrove.org> Andrew Lambdin-Abraham wrote: > Marna Nightingale wrote: > > "Padget, Scott R" wrote: > >> And so far this morning, two men have guessed that I was a pimp > > Well, you've got the inventory.... > But think of the shipping costs! I assure you, weeks and weeks go by when it seems we think of little else... Marna, no, not even if you put lots of holes in the crate, any other little cost-cutting ideas you want to discuss? --------________--------________-------- From dhbenton at worldnet.att.net Fri Nov 1 04:12:52 2002 From: dhbenton at worldnet.att.net (Dawn Benton) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 23:12:52 -0500 Subject: [LMB] OT: Heyer Recommendations References: <20021031232013.99529.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> <001301c2814c$eea84d20$42eaaad8@tds.net> Message-ID: <000f01c2815c$f385c600$09f95b0c@primepc> Diane Echelbarger wrote: " I'm afraid I have to disagree. I bought her "Why Shoot A Butler?" and found it profoundly un-interesting. Cliche'd hero, utterly uncompelling plot... very much a "formula" book of its type, with downright stereotypical (read "cardboard") characters. Which surprised me because her romances are definitely *not* full of stereotypical characters. I love Heyer's romances, and own all of them, but I won't buy another of her detective stories." Just adding my two cents here. I think Butler is one of her poorer efforts in the mystery genre. I myself still enjoy many of them. "Envious Casca", "Death in the Stocks", "They Found Him Dead" and "Duplicate Death" are probably my favorites. She seemed to have a fondness for bull terriers. Dawn --------________--------________-------- From nbombay at mindspring.com Fri Nov 1 04:04:31 2002 From: nbombay at mindspring.com (Nora Bombay) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 23:04:31 -0500 Subject: [LMB] TorCon In-Reply-To: <20021031183235.58000.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021031230235.00a46ec0@mindspring.com> >Casey wrote: > Ooooh, oooooh--is this a for sure fer-shure this >time? (I'm recalling that last time you'd found a >suitable place, you were outbid for it.) If so, hearty >congratulations on home ownership! Well, not this weekend, although I plan to put a contact out this weekend. I'm looking at high rises where the bidding war is a little less steep. But by the end of November, I hope to be on the way. I've got desperation on my side. Apartments are going up 10,000 a month. So the sooner the better- I'm already priced out of several buildings I saw last month. Elizabeth, who wants to be in the Florida real estate market, but inside the Washington DC beltway. --------________--------________-------- From lorrainenfletez at hotmail.com Fri Nov 1 04:06:36 2002 From: lorrainenfletez at hotmail.com (lorraine fletez-brant) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 21:06:36 -0700 Subject: [LMB] Halloween OT: Message-ID: Marna Nightingale writes: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 22:47:42 -0500 >"Padget, Scott R" wrote: >>I'm in the burgundy tux. > >>And so far this morning, two men have guessed that I was a pimp >Well, you've got the inventory.... Now, does that mean Pilot has really BAD, BIG hair, a HUGE, ugly colored car with fins, or likes to hang out on streetcorners? I LOVED the Witchcraft Barbie description, btw! I bet it was a gorgeous costume. We doled out candy to the cutest kids; definitely firemen, ninjas, princesses, and the Scream were the faves. [I just reread the first part of this sentence and realized it looks like we only gave it to the ones we thought were cute. Let me amend that to include that all the kids who came happened to look cute!] Kids from the poorer parts of town are literally trucked into my mother's neighborhood, and it's been a tradition that we go there to help hand out candy (and took our kids trick-or-treating when they were little). The kids take their costumes seriously! A lot of them don't speak much English, but they get great big grins when we tell them how pretty or scary they look. Definitely a good time had by all! Lorraine - Lil' Horned Hopper stuffed with chocolate, mmmmm _________________________________________________________________ Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp --------________--------________-------- From nbombay at mindspring.com Fri Nov 1 04:10:59 2002 From: nbombay at mindspring.com (Nora Bombay) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 23:10:59 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Sherwooding Brief Replies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021031230441.00a58ba0@mindspring.com> >Scott wrote: >How 'bout Ian. Wearing a sarong. Singing sea chanties. While doing >dishes. > >Clean dishes *and* a floor show. Scott, honey, I hate to say, but you just did more to promote the benefits of Ian than you can possibly know. It's not the floor show. It's the dishes. The dishes we both hate to do. I mean, I have notoriously poor housekeeping skills. True story here, about list incestousness. I joined WSFA, the Washington Science Fiction Association. One of my friends and fellow members, is Madeline. Eric Oppens best beloved, of the amazingly astonishingly untidy'd house. She thought mine was kind of cluttered, and a mess. it's a small world, yes it is. So if Ian does dishes, I think he moves to the top of the list. And I can even promise him they will be veggie dishes, if that's what it takes to get them done. Elizabeth, listening to the "8 Mile" Soundtrack. It's good. And I'm not an Eminem fan --------________--------________-------- From marna at redmaplegrove.org Fri Nov 1 04:16:06 2002 From: marna at redmaplegrove.org (Marna Nightingale) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 23:16:06 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Sherwooding Brief Replies References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021031230441.00a58ba0@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <3DC1FFF9.24293BBF@redmaplegrove.org> Nora Bombay wrote: > Scott, honey, I hate to say, but you just did more to promote the benefits > of Ian than you can possibly know. It's not the floor show. It's the > dishes. Ian, who has been looking over my shoulder making various amused, appalled, and unidentifiable strangled noises for most of this thread, the most recent of which was "and Scott wonders why people think he's a pimp!" says that the cleavage for dishes deal sounds extremely good to him. Marna. --------________--------________-------- From nbombay at mindspring.com Fri Nov 1 04:20:05 2002 From: nbombay at mindspring.com (Nora Bombay) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 23:20:05 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Future Book Wishes OT: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021031091608.00b2fd80@pop.luna.co.uk> References: <200210310723.HAA26986@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021031231129.00a5b3b0@mindspring.com> James Bryant wrote: >Riders of the Sergyar Range I think that would certainly be fun. I just wonder what the Riders would be herding? Personally, in following with the way the Barayaran society and government seem to work, I'm betting it's actually "Rider" as in concert rider. Like the rider guaranteeing that they get grazing lights and that the mineral rights revert to the count? Yeah, I could see that. >Uterine Replicators of Gor How else do they get babies on Gor? Honestly? I mean, it's painfully obvious that Gor is actually a theme park on Jackson's Whole. People pay a whole lot of money to go there. Tons of money. Betan Marks only. Heck, Betan Mark is one of their best clients. >Honor of the Peeps I still think that half the reason I'm not fond of the H*n*r Series is that, more or less, I'm rooting for the Peeps. Honor of the Peeps is as good as Dark Marissa I: The Master Builders was. >Slave Girls of Chalion Don't stay Slave Girls for very long. At all. This is a Bujold book. I think it's a great book, a moral story about those who are slaves to their god. Like the Brides of Christ. Only not. Elizabeth, Agent Provacateur. Or would be if she could spell it. >Vordarian's Revenge >-- >Lois-Bujold mailing list >Lois-Bujold at lists.herald.co.uk >http://lists.herald.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/lois-bujold --------________--------________-------- From marna at redmaplegrove.org Fri Nov 1 04:23:22 2002 From: marna at redmaplegrove.org (Marna Nightingale) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 23:23:22 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Sherwooding Brief Replies References: Message-ID: <3DC201AC.9B0478CA@redmaplegrove.org> "Padget, Scott R" wrote: > > (No bacon, though. I've *never* figured out how to > cook bacon rather than burn it.) I make very very good bacon. > Elizabeth objects to, well, pretty much the whole concept of "breakfast". > > I don't eat or > > drink until 9 am Breakfast is served from, based on the last Houston trip, noon to 3pm. > *That* could be a problem, depending on where we are. There are *no* decent > bagels anywhere in Texas. I can bring the bagels. There are VERY good bagels in Ottawa. > Jason claims: > > Guiness tastes like a used ashtray > > Like kissing a woman who smokes > > The problem is that US cigarettes are *vile*. Jason should try an > *imported* ashtray. Chacon a son gout. I like drinking Guiness. And, even though I have 90 percent quit, smoking cigarettes. And I am not unfond of kissing, though I tend not to kiss evangelical anti-smokers, on principle. Marna. --------________--------________-------- From paal at gis.net Fri Nov 1 04:58:34 2002 From: paal at gis.net (Paula Lieberman) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 23:58:34 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Re: Future Book Wishes OT: References: Message-ID: <008501c28163$5599e690$7957d63f@LAPTOP> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betsy Hosler" > >The next Bazhell Barakson book from David Weber. > > I think I remember reading that this was on his writing schedule. Don't > know how far down the queue. > Too far, and I wonder if the writing style changes evinced in some of his other work might creep over into that.... \ > >The third novel in Heather Gladney's Naga Teot books. > > It's been years and years. Anyone know if this might ever exist? > > The _Fortress Draconis_ sequel from Michael Stackpole, and another Talion > book from him. Though it sounds like he's unlikely to write that due to > economics. > From Locus: Bantam Spectra Dec 02: _When Dragons Rage_ by Michael A. Stackpole (tp). That certainly looks to me like a sequel to Fortress Draconis, since Bantam Spectra is reprinting Fortress Draconis in mass market paperback this month..... > Lynn Fflwelling - going back to Alex and Seregil. _The Bone Doll's Twin_ > just wasn't as interesting to me. > I think she does intend to return to it eventually. The next one out from her is a sequel to Bone Doll's Twin, however. > _Childe Morgan_ from Katherine Kurtz. Although I half-expect to be > disappointed when it comes out. > Ones I couldn't think of when writing earlier -- Tamora Pierce's next book [it was teasing at the corners of my neurons, but when I went to type it, it was gone], Michelle Sagara West's next two books -- _The Sun Sword_, and then _House War_, Kate Elliot/Alis Rasmussen's rest of the series she;'s been working on the past few years (US release of the next volume seems to be at the start of 2003).... There are a LOT of books published. Most of them I;'m not all that interested in, fortunately... but that leaves nonetheless lots that I am interested in, too. --------________--------________-------- From megj at nwlink.com Fri Nov 1 05:13:50 2002 From: megj at nwlink.com (Meg Justus) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 21:13:50 -0800 Subject: [LMB] Book Recommendations & Kitten pattern References: Message-ID: <024601c28167$0dfdd9f0$90b1cacf@meg> Susan Profit: > My father will be rolling in his grave at the idea of me reading a > romance novel and I dare not check any out of the local library > because my older friend Karsane who works there will tease me > unmercifully. Susan, so many people who "wouldn't be caught dead reading a romance novel" read Heyer that there's basically no stigma. Go for it. Megaera who will be interested to see what you think of them --------________--------________-------- From megj at nwlink.com Fri Nov 1 05:09:33 2002 From: megj at nwlink.com (Meg Justus) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 21:09:33 -0800 Subject: [LMB] Future Book Wishes OT: References: Message-ID: <024501c28167$0d743790$90b1cacf@meg> > For those US (or satellite dish) listees who are not (yet) Tony Hillerman > fans, I pulled some info re the PBS production off the 'Net for background > (below). BTW, Chris Eyre, who directs this movie, also directed "Smoke > Signals," written by Sherman Alexie. If you haven't seen it, I heartily > recommend it. It is funny, poignant, truthful, and yet has mystical parts, > as well. > > Lorraine - long-time Hillerman fan! Ooh. Another project directed by Chris Eyre! I'd watch it for him even if I didn't like Leaphorn and Chee. Smoke Signals was brilliant. Megaera --------________--------________-------- From RayLists at quixnet.net Fri Nov 1 05:31:07 2002 From: RayLists at quixnet.net (Ray Drouillard) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 00:31:07 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Re: Costumes References: <20021031.140457.570.504546@webmail2.wlv.untd.com> Message-ID: <012701c28167$e740e680$0200a8c0@ray> From: To: Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 5:04 PM Subject: [LMB] Re: Costumes > Maybe...we've no evidence that Halloween made it through the > Time of Isolation, but we've no evidence that it--or something > like it--didn't survive. Since Herself has shown us so little > of what its like to be a munchkin on Barrayar, isn't it possible > that, like Christmas/Yule/etc. transmogrifying into Winterfair, > there's a Barrayaran holiday where the kiddies dress up in > costumes? And the *adults* don't carry on with the greasy kid > stuff, naturally > > So what do you suppose such a Barrayaran festival would be > called? (Bonus points if you can work in an Incendiary Cat) I would imagine that it would be called "Harvest Fair" or something like that. It's at the right time of year. Ray --------________--------________-------- From paal at gis.net Fri Nov 1 05:42:54 2002 From: paal at gis.net (Paula Lieberman) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 00:42:54 -0500 Subject: [LMB] TorCon References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021031230235.00a46ec0@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <010201c28169$8796c770$7957d63f@LAPTOP> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nora Bombay" > >Casey wrote: > > > Ooooh, oooooh--is this a for sure fer-shure this > >time? (I'm recalling that last time you'd found a > >suitable place, you were outbid for it.) If so, hearty > >congratulations on home ownership! > > Well, not this weekend, although I plan to put a contact out this weekend. > I'm looking at high rises where the bidding war is a little less steep. > > But by the end of November, I hope to be on the way. I've got desperation > on my side. Apartments are going up 10,000 a month. So the sooner the > better- I'm already priced out of several buildings I saw last month. > > Elizabeth, who wants to be in the Florida real estate market, but inside > the Washington DC beltway. The majorly overheated housing market around here seems to be slowing down and prices eroding a bit, maybe. Prices actually went down a bit in the San Francisco Bay area, due to the economy being sick there -- not that it's so ideal here, the high tech business except for biotech hit the skids in 2001 and isn't showing signs of recovery. Since that was where much of the economic strength was (I hesitate to say "good jobs" because week after week after week of no-overtime 60+ work weeks aren't exactly "good jobs" in various ways.... startup mentality drains the people in it, and that's BEFORE it's become "startup going down the tubes" and everyone is wondering if/when they're going to be pinkslipped and when the next layoff is.... been there, in some ways it's a RELIEF to get laid off....), the people who were spending the most in the aggregate were the ones whose discretionary incomes went away with the good times collapsing. Timing is everything -- consider the unfortunate schlup who bought property in Vorkosigan Vashnoi thinking they were getting a good deal on property of prime location, and then the invaders destroyed the place.... --------________--------________-------- From RayLists at quixnet.net Fri Nov 1 05:59:56 2002 From: RayLists at quixnet.net (Ray Drouillard) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 00:59:56 -0500 Subject: [LMB] OT:- Not Beer (WAS:- Silk Quilts) References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021031125038.03308e30@pop.luna.co.uk> <006d01c280f1$c7f9b660$0200a8c0@ray> <3DC1C2A4.7A1D1555@microd.com> Message-ID: <014501c2816b$e9eb7040$0200a8c0@ray> From: "Richard Macdonald" > Ray Drouillard wrote: > > I think I'll refrain from repeating Monty Python's opinion of American beer. > > Is that anything like the comparison of American mass market beer to > making love in a canoe. That's the one. > But then I am a confirmed Pilsner drinker, preferably Pilsner Urquel > (THE Pilsner), or Kaiser Pils, Koenig Pils, Herren Pils, and then the > lesser Pils made for the mass market. I like Bocks and Stouts. I have lately taken a liking to some Pilsner and Lager beers, though. One thing I respect about German bier brewing is the Reinheitsgebot -- the German Beer Purity Law of 1516, which is still in effect today. Bier contains four and only four ingredients: water, malt, hops, and yeast. I suspect that that, through a technicality, forces them to naturally carbonate the brew, rather than bubbling bottled CO2 through it. I have liked the British ales that I have tried, but I'm not sure what is in it. I read a British book on the art of zymurgy, and this guy put all kinds of obnoxious things in his brew. When I first tried Mexican Cerveca, I didn't expect much. I tried some Corona, and found it to be rather light, but good in flavor. I later found out that, when the Mexicans decided to start brewing beer, they hired some experts: German brewmeisters. They learned to brew beer from the Germans. In the past ten years or so, microbreweries and brew pubs have been sprouting all over the place. It certainly isn't difficult to find good beer in the Detroit area. Just a few days ago, I walked down to the local party store and bought a six pack of Mexican _Negra Modelo_. I'm drinking a bottle of that now, and really enjoying it :-) It is a dark beer, but isn't heavy. Ray Drouillard (who brewed some "double stout" -- where dark malt was used instead of the sugar that the recipe called for.) --------________--------________-------- From orangekch at 702com.net Fri Nov 1 06:09:07 2002 From: orangekch at 702com.net (Drew Hill) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 00:09:07 -0600 Subject: [LMB] Book recommendation, especially for those of you who like puns References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021031230235.00a46ec0@mindspring.com> <010201c28169$8796c770$7957d63f@LAPTOP> Message-ID: <00ff01c2816d$305cc640$2b01a8c0@702com.net> Having an affection towards military SF, and knowing that Mike Frezza wrote an excellent book "A Small Colonial War" I picked up the book "McClendon's Syndrome" at Uncle Hugos a while back. It didn't sound too much like what I enjoy but I know the author could write. I danged near bust a gut on every page! One of the main characters is a terminal punster, Lieutenant in Space Navy Intelligence, and Vampire. At the same time. It reminds me a LOT of Spider Robinson's Callahan's books, except for no short sories. In fact, a LOT of the characters are vaguely veiled references to other SF authors, story lines, and what not. For those of you who like SF humour of the Callahans Cross-Time Salloon style, I HIGHLY recommend this! -andy --------________--------________-------- From mike at dendarii.demon.co.uk Fri Nov 1 06:17:12 2002 From: mike at dendarii.demon.co.uk (Michael Bernardi) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 06:17:12 GMT Subject: [LMB] Lois McMaster Bujold Mailing List Weekly FAQ FAQ Message-ID: <30784@dendarii.demon.co.uk> Last-Modified: 8 June 2002 Version: 2.0.1 Being a Pointer to where to find Answers to Frequently Asked Questions ====================================================================== This document was compiled by Michael Bernardi, to allow subscribers to the Lois-Bujold mailing list to easily find where the FAQs are. Having this FAQ posted weekly to the list then allows the posting of the OTHER FAQs to be every two months and thus reduce list traffic. Three FAQs have been developed since this list was created in October 1994. The Bio FAQ has been deleted, as all the information previously given here, can be found at "The Bujold Nexus" in the "Author Info" and "Book Info" sections. This document was originally created in December 1998. The FAQs ======== Lois McMaster Bujold Mailing List Administrivia FAQ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.dendarii.com/bujold_admin.html Last Updated: 7 May 2002 Explains how to join and use the Lois-Bujold mailing list, hosted at http://lists.herald.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/lois-bujold Lois McMaster Bujold Mailing List FAQ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.dendarii.com/bujold_lst.html Last Updated: 26 May 2002 This document attempts to answer Frequently Asked Questions which occur on the Mailing List about Lois McMaster Bujold and her work. These are the questions that occur on list regularly like "Where can I get "Dreamweaver's Dilemma"? Now includes the Off-topic Discussions and Excessive Quoting FAQ. Lois McMaster Bujold List PLOT Frequently Asked Questions ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.dendarii.com/bujold_faq.html Last Updated: 25 March 2002 This document attempts to answer Frequently Asked Questions which occur on the Mailing List about Plot lines that occur in the work of Lois McMaster Bujold. This includes answers from Lois herself. The Bujold Nexus: The Lois McMaster Bujold Homepage ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.dendarii.com Last Updated: 25 May 2002 This is the Official site to find information about Lois McMaster Bujold on the Web. Lois has provided some information herself, and other material has come from other fans. The Bujold Nexus Overflow Site ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.dendarii.co.uk/Bujold.html Last Updated: 7 June 2002 This contains all the stuff that isn't really appropriate at the main site. ie fan fiction, fan art, photos, and filk. Please send details of any material such material to the address indicated. Note I am not responsible for the mail server hardware OR software. Both these are under the control of Mel Harper . Any feedback on this post cheerfully received by Michael Bernardi . -- Michael Bernardi mike at dendarii.co.uk --------________--------________-------- From divyasatyam at satyam.net.in Fri Nov 1 06:05:51 2002 From: divyasatyam at satyam.net.in (Divya) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:35:51 +0530 Subject: [LMB] OT: Heyer Recommendations References: <20021031232013.99529.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> <001301c2814c$eea84d20$42eaaad8@tds.net> <000f01c2815c$f385c600$09f95b0c@primepc> Message-ID: <01fb01c2816d$71027500$197bd2d2@satyam.net.in> "Dawn Benton" wrote: > Just adding my two cents here. I think Butler is one of her poorer efforts > in the mystery genre. I myself still enjoy many of them. "Envious Casca", > "Death in the Stocks", "They Found Him Dead" and "Duplicate Death" are > probably my favorites. She seemed to have a fondness for bull terriers. Agreed, and I'd add "A Blunt Instrument" and "Behold, Here's Poison" to the list of Heyer's better mysteries. cheers, Divya -------------- "O more than Moone, Draw not up seas to drown me in thy spheare, Weepe me not dead, in thine armes, but forbeare To teach the sea, what it may doe too soone;" -- _A Valediction: Of Weeping_, John Donne --------________--------________-------- From paal at gis.net Fri Nov 1 06:31:29 2002 From: paal at gis.net (Paula Lieberman) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 01:31:29 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Book recommendation, especially for those of you who like puns References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021031230235.00a46ec0@mindspring.com> <010201c28169$8796c770$7957d63f@LAPTOP> <00ff01c2816d$305cc640$2b01a8c0@702com.net> Message-ID: <013701c28170$50d6a640$7957d63f@LAPTOP> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew Hill" > Having an affection towards military SF, and knowing that Mike Frezza > wrote an excellent book "A Small Colonial War" I picked up the book > "McClendon's Syndrome" at Uncle Hugos a while back. It didn't sound > too much like what I enjoy but I know the author could write. > > I danged near bust a gut on every page! One of the main characters is > a terminal punster, Lieutenant in Space Navy Intelligence, and Vampire. AND chocolate chip cookies, don't forget the chocolate chip cookies! (And, they are more to contemporary tastes than maple mead tends to be.) Hmmm, for that matter, one of the characters bears a limited resemblance to Miles in TWA, in that he'[s in WAY over his head, stuck being somewhere and doing things with people he'd rather not be with and in places he'd rather not be in, and some of them have REALLY warped senses of humor (the punster does NOT have the most warped sense of humor, or of other things, in the book.... the wit and wisdom of Bucky-some-character-or-other is reminiscent of some of William Tenn/Phil Klass' warped-values-characters [see e.g. "The Seven Sexes"] views of the universe!) There's a sequel to it, with a title something like VMR. It's not as good as the first book, but it's still worthwhile reading. > At the same time. It reminds me a LOT of Spider Robinson's Callahan's > books, except for no short sories. In fact, a LOT of the characters are It's less inelegant, actually. > vaguely veiled references to other SF authors, story lines, and what not. > > For those of you who like SF humour of the Callahans Cross-Time > Salloon style, I HIGHLY recommend this! --------________--------________-------- From carbonelle at juno.com Fri Nov 1 06:36:51 2002 From: carbonelle at juno.com (carbonelle at juno.com) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 06:36:51 GMT Subject: [LMB] Re: OT: M.A.S. Message-ID: <20021031.223700.570.508934@webmail2.wlv.untd.com> Marna (Master of Observational Science) Nightengale is a sweetie-pie Kirsten ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com --------________--------________-------- From carosue at centurytel.net Fri Nov 1 06:37:42 2002 From: carosue at centurytel.net (House of Unruly Fish) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 23:37:42 -0700 Subject: [LMB] Poor Simon's Almanack - November 1 Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20021031233616.03a21a18@mail.so.centurytel.net> This Day In Listory: 2001- (Digests 4772-4) POST FROM LOIS with book recs in the YA category. Eric Oppen reports reading what would seem to be a most unlikely fanfic, a Vorkiverse/Harry Potter crossover! 2000 - (Digest 3655) POST FROM LOIS about the success of the $1.99 BoIs. 1999 - (Digests 2868-9) Big upsurge in discussion of Armsmen. 1998 - (Digest 1978) Spirit Ring nominated and touted as the next list 'read and discuss' project. 1997 - (Digest 953) Barrayar's lack of a free press is pretty well iterated. 1996 - (Digest 428) Virginia Bemis reports that "Kaleidoscope" (a scholarly magazine on disability & the arts) accepted her article "Barrayar's Ugliest Child: Miles Vorkosigan". 1995 - (Digest 113) More thoughts on Cetaganda, lots of 'em! 1994 - (Old Digest 15) Posting of the Administrivia FAQ 1.2. Respectfully submitted by, Susan the Neon Nurse All the above info collected from: http://lists.herald.co.uk/old-archives/lois-bujold/ Additions, corrections or sympathy for a sad, sick little guy who missed Trick or Treat may be sent to carosue at centurytel.net ++++++++++++++++++++++carosue at centurytel.net+++++++++++++++++++++ --------________--------________-------- From pnewman at gci.net Fri Nov 1 07:45:37 2002 From: pnewman at gci.net (Peter Newman) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 22:45:37 -0900 Subject: [LMB] Future Book Wishes OT: References: <200210311627.QAA29691@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <3DC23120.B81443B7@gci.net> Louann Miller wrote: > Harry Flashman up against someone madder, badder, > and more dangerous to know than himself. How about Flashman and the Draka, Flashman and the Martian Tripods, Flashman and Dr Moreau, Flashman and Nemo, Flashman and Lord Greystroke, Flashman and Professor Moriarty, etc. --------________--------________-------- From rparks at lvhot.org Fri Nov 1 08:12:18 2002 From: rparks at lvhot.org (Robert Parks) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 00:12:18 -0800 Subject: [LMB] Fabric shopping: OT: References: <20021031201241.79279.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3DC23762.6090708@lvhot.org> Casey Allison wrote: >> Well, yes, but it is of limited utility to the >> project, given that the limits of my sewing skills are >> hot glue and velcro. < > Buh, buh, but *Robert*! For *Trailer > Trash* Haut, that's positively PERFECT!!!!! I'm *not* wearing Trailer Trash Haut. Nope! I'm only doing technical/support for that one. Robert, who now has spray glitter here and there and little bits of Marabou everywhere (I was hot gluing sections to all my non-clothing items...watch, hairclip, etc. The hairclip actually looks pretty good. -- "I have never reread a book for its plot or ideas but reread to visit with friends again." - Lois McMaster Bujold --------________--------________-------- From robertaw at drizzle.com Fri Nov 1 08:45:03 2002 From: robertaw at drizzle.com (Robert A. Woodward) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 00:45:03 -0800 Subject: [LMB] OT: Heyer Recommendations In-Reply-To: <001301c2814c$eea84d20$42eaaad8@tds.net> Message-ID: <36EEDFE6-ED76-11D6-BBC1-0003936731E6@drizzle.com> On Thursday, October 31, 2002, at 06:18 PM, D Echelbarger wrote: > Raye said: >> Of course, you can always read Heyer's detective >> novels, of which the only title I can remember >> is Behold, Here's Poison, but they're excellent also. >> > > I'm afraid I have to disagree. I bought her "Why > Shoot A Butler?" and found it profoundly > un-interesting. Cliche'd hero, utterly > uncompelling plot... very much a "formula" book of > its type, with downright stereotypical (read > "cardboard") characters. Which surprised me > because her romances are definitely *not* full of > stereotypical characters. > > I love Heyer's romances, and own all of them, but > I won't buy another of her detective stories. > _Why Shoot a Butler_ is an early one. However, a number of her mysteries had the same Scotland Yard detectives in it: _Death in the Stocks_, _Behold, Here's Poison_, _They Found Him Dead_, _A Blunt Instrument_, _No Wind of Blame_, _Envious Casca_, _Duplicate Death_, and _Detection Unlimited_ (_tFHD_ and _DD_ have several common minor characters). -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert A. Woodward - robertaw at drizzle.com "We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement." Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_. --------________--------________-------- From rparks at lvhot.org Fri Nov 1 08:45:59 2002 From: rparks at lvhot.org (Robert Parks) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 00:45:59 -0800 Subject: [LMB] Fashion Cops and Guides OT: References: <20021031183429.519203A2F@sitemail.everyone.net> Message-ID: <3DC23F47.4050909@lvhot.org> Cat Meier wrote: > Cleavage, I promise you is not a problem. Getting rid of the > cleavage sometimes is. (Sometimes a girl wants to be more than the > sum of her um... parts. Err, intersection? Robert --------________--------________-------- From jparish at siue.edu Fri Nov 1 10:56:45 2002 From: jparish at siue.edu (Jim Parish) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 04:56:45 -0600 Subject: [LMB] OT: Buffy Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.1.20021101045307.00b35be0@pop.siue.edu> If I may be excused a little self-promotion, Buffyphile listies may find the essays at http://dianamichelle.5u.com/host/jacksee/ of some interest. Jim Parish --------________--------________-------- From pam at gotcher.us Fri Nov 1 12:27:42 2002 From: pam at gotcher.us (Pam Gotcher) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 06:27:42 -0600 Subject: [LMB] OT: Bacon was Sherwooding Brief Replies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001101c281a2$15f9c250$2f3a0144@Laptop> Scott says: Mais bien sur. That was rather the point. And for you, I might even toss in crumbled sausage. (No bacon, though. I've *never* figured out how to cook bacon rather than burn it.) Microwave, between paper towels, two layers on bottom, one on top (or two on top)(I usually take 2 paper towels and fold them in half. Thick bacon, 3 minutes for 2 slices. Adjust time down 10 seconds if the first set comes out a little burnt in the middle . I'm assuming your microwave has a rotating tray. Gotta like crisp bacon, but this recipe has never failed me. Pam --------________--------________-------- From louann_m at yahoo.com Fri Nov 1 14:48:43 2002 From: louann_m at yahoo.com (Louann Miller) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 06:48:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LMB] Andre Norton Ill Message-ID: <20021101144843.86063.qmail@web10906.mail.yahoo.com> Cc'ing a message that was several places on Usenet last night; appears to be genuine. I can only get to usenet by google at the moment so there may be further details I haven't got. Going no-mail over the weekend, will get back to you guys. Taking the munchkin to a neighboring state to show him off to relatives. Louann QUOTED TEXT BEGINS From: Margaret Middleton (msminlr at aol.comstatic) Subject: Andre Norton very ill This is the only article in this thread View: Original Format Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom Date: 2002-10-31 18:11:34 PST I received this today from a reputable fannish source Margaret One of the seminal authors of our field, Andre Norton, is gravely ill. She was admitted to the hospital last Monday for surgery, and is still there. More to the point, her spirits have sunk to a life-threatening low. She needs to know just how highly regarded she is in our community, and she needs to know now. "We" are keeping the location of the hospital and room "secret", because she cannot have visitors and we don't want to overwhelm her with autograph-hounds when she needs to be getting stronger, not being disturbed---this is already a problem as word of her illness has percolated into the local community in Tennessee. The hospital in question will deny that she is there. Please send cards and letters to: Andre Norton 114 Eventide Drive Murfreesboro TN 37130 If you wish to send flowers, you may also send them to this addres, but direct the florist to leave them on the porch if no one is home. Andre's two friends who are caring for her will make sure they are brought to her, but they are spending most of the time at the hospital, and so may not be there. (If this gets to be a problem, arrangements will be made for frequent pick-up!) Please do not send food, as she is on a liquids-only diet. You may send e-cards to: Andre Norton E-mail Address(es): highhallack at mindspring.com Again, her friends will make sure she gets to see them. MSMinLR(at)aol.com (Margaret Middleton) Shameless Plug for our local con: http://www.rockon.org Help make a Quilted Artifact to sell for Interfilk: http://members.aol.com/msminlr/ifquilt.htm __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ --------________--------________-------- From Royce_Day at choicehotels.com Fri Nov 1 15:27:20 2002 From: Royce_Day at choicehotels.com (Royce Day) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 10:27:20 -0500 Subject: [LMB] OT: Testing, testing... Message-ID: <3DC29D58.73DB9ED7@choicehotels.com> Anybody out there? -- -Royce in MD, feeling like he's in the 32nd re-make of "The Omega Man", ya know, the one with Charleton Heston and/or Vincent Price as the last guy on Earth except for about ten bazillon vampires in fright makeup... "I know how to be subtle. That's when I use chemical explosives instead of nuclear." -Freefall (10/30/02) --------________--------________-------- From a.abraham at mail.utexas.edu Fri Nov 1 15:06:26 2002 From: a.abraham at mail.utexas.edu (Andrew Lambdin-Abraham) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 09:06:26 -0600 Subject: [LMB] OT: Testing, testing... In-Reply-To: <3DC29D58.73DB9ED7@choicehotels.com> Message-ID: <7E5864D0-EDAB-11D6-99DE-0003931203CC@mail.utexas.edu> On Friday, November 1, 2002, at 09:27 AM, Royce Day wrote: > Anybody out there? Absolutely not. Andrew --------________--------________-------- From adkinslawfirm at mindspring.com Fri Nov 1 15:30:11 2002 From: adkinslawfirm at mindspring.com (Marty L. Adkins) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 10:30:11 -0500 Subject: [LMB] OT: Andre Norton update Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.1.20021101102927.00a0bd50@pop3.norton.antivirus> Note: Dr. Rose Wolf lives with Andre & so is in a position to know. I got this email this morning: >Hi Jerrie,- >I just talked to Rose yesterday and she said that Andre finally checked in >to have that hernia surgery and is doing as well as could be expected >considering her age. It will be a long slow recovery. Any prayers will be >appreciated. Later--Paul I thought lots of you would be interested to know. Hth, Jerrie --------________--------________-------- From pgranzeau at cox.net Fri Nov 1 16:24:54 2002 From: pgranzeau at cox.net (Peter H. Granzeau) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 11:24:54 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Future Book Wishes OT: In-Reply-To: <3DC23120.B81443B7@gci.net> References: <200210311627.QAA29691@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20021101110340.01d8ec40@pop.east.cox.net> At 22:45 10/31/2002 -0900, Peter Newman wrote: >How about Flashman and the Draka, Flashman and the >Martian Tripods, Flashman and Dr Moreau, Flashman and >Nemo, Flashman and Lord Greystroke, Flashman and >Professor Moriarty, etc. Re that last--the most recent Flashman which I have read (Flashman and the Tiger, I think), had Sherlock Holmes spotting Flashy (who was trying, at the time, not to be noticed, being in a particularly unpleasant condition, lying in a gutter or some such), and mis-characterizing him completely. -- Regards, Pete pgranzeau at cox.net --------________--------________-------- From Royce_Day at choicehotels.com Fri Nov 1 16:54:22 2002 From: Royce_Day at choicehotels.com (Royce Day) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 11:54:22 -0500 Subject: [LMB] OT: I Spy-- what we ain't gonna see at the movies Message-ID: <3DC2B1BE.B9E30425@choicehotels.com> Today marks the USAian release of "I Spy", yet another cr*ppy film based on a much better TV series. To let everyone know what they'd be missing, I give you the following example of marvelously silly & hip dialog that is probably going to be completely absent from the film. [Contemplating a solid gold stove] Kelly Robinson: I can just imagine the look on their faces when we unload a million dollars worth of stove on them. 875 pounds worth. Alexander Scott: Yeah. Kelly Robinson: Suppose by the time it got to Internal Revenue it only weighed 800 pounds? Alexander Scott: See what you mean. Well the lid's loose, maybe the damper door? Kelly Robinson: 75 lbs of gold must be worth a lot of money. Alexander Scott: Seventy-two thousand. Kelly Robinson: Already figured it out, huh? Alexander Scott: Yeah. $60 an ounce on the Chinese black market. I think I can get $70 an ounce. I know a guy... Kelly Robinson: $70 an ounce! Whew. A couple of one-way tickets to Tahiti would scarcely put a dent in it! Alexander Scott: No sir. Have you ever seen a Taihitian hula? [Sings] Alexander Scott: Do-dump-de-dumpdy... You take the door and I'll take the lid. Kelly Robinson: While we're at it we may want to hack off a couple of legs. We may want to entertain! Alexander Scott: Right! Kelly Robinson: No, we'd only lose our pension benefits. Alexander Scott: Think we'd lose our jobs? Kelly Robinson: Yeah. Such wonderful jobs too. Alexander Scott: And the hospitalization is free. Kelly Robinson: All those wonderful orthopedic devices. Alexander Scott: I just love plaster of paris. Kelly Robinson: Right. I swear when I watched that show I always wondered how much of it was scripted and how much was just Bill Cosby and Robert Culp riffing off of each other while the camera rolled. You just didn't get dialog like that on other programs. -- -Royce in MD "I know how to be subtle. That's when I use chemical explosives instead of nuclear." -Freefall (10/30/02) --------________--------________-------- From gsvaughan at insightbb.com Fri Nov 1 16:28:33 2002 From: gsvaughan at insightbb.com (George S. Vaughan) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 11:28:33 -0500 Subject: [LMB] OT: Testing, testing... In-Reply-To: <3DC29D58.73DB9ED7@choicehotels.com> References: <3DC29D58.73DB9ED7@choicehotels.com> Message-ID: <4ta5suscb6gmgum24brskhkdmums0mfuia@4ax.com> On Fri, 01 Nov 2002 10:27:20 -0500, Royce Day wrote: >Anybody out there? I nodded -- did you hear me? --------________--------________-------- From nbombay at mindspring.com Fri Nov 1 16:34:31 2002 From: nbombay at mindspring.com (nbombay at mindspring.com) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 11:34:31 -0500 Subject: [LMB] OT: Testing, testing... Message-ID: Royce Day wrote: > Anybody out there? Nobody out here but us chickens. Who must admit that the halloween butterbugs are excellent. Elizabeth, cluck, cluck. --------________--------________-------- From lorrainenfletez at hotmail.com Fri Nov 1 16:52:36 2002 From: lorrainenfletez at hotmail.com (lorraine fletez-brant) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 09:52:36 -0700 Subject: [LMB] OT: Testing, testing.../now CHICKENS?? Oooooh :) Message-ID: nbombay clucks, scratches, and pecks: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 11:34:31 -0500 >Royce Day wrote: >>Anybody out there? >Nobody out here but us chickens. >Who must admit that the halloween butterbugs are excellent. >Elizabeth, cluck, cluck. Oooooh, Elizabeth, I knew there was a good reason to love you! As the premier chicken person on this list (AFAIK, since no one else has stepped forward and admitted it as a personal peculiarity), let me say that if the whole condo thing falls through, you are welcome to stay in my backyard as one of The Chicken Girls: Buffy, Carlotta, and Russet (they're VERY cute. Ask Jim, he got pictures - or maybe he'll just certify that I really am a wacko ); the gang also now includes Heidi, the formerly bare-b*tt Frizzle chicken (now with full curly feathers). There are plenty of bugs, no butter bugs, sorry, all the small lizards you can catch and eat whole, plenty of places to scratch and dig. What more could you want? Welllll, no roosters, that's true. And I don't think Pilot would like to sleep standing up on a perch Lorraine - Lil' Horned Hopper Hen _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp --------________--------________-------- From MarkDEddy at aol.com Fri Nov 1 18:09:52 2002 From: MarkDEddy at aol.com (MarkDEddy at aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:09:52 EST Subject: [LMB] A wierd theory from DI (and I don't mean a Sargent) Message-ID: <1a0.b1df3a8.2af41d70@aol.com> I was just rereading Diplomatic Immunity, when something near the end caught my eye -- Miles tells Pel that he thinks it's nurture, not nature. But the opposite may be true -- he's the offspring of a Betan Survey Captain and a Barrayaran Count (and successful warrior and politician, on both counts), after all. Mark (wondering about the Haut Helen Moynihan, himself) Eddy --------________--------________-------- From Royce_Day at choicehotels.com Fri Nov 1 19:00:26 2002 From: Royce_Day at choicehotels.com (Royce Day) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 14:00:26 -0500 Subject: [LMB] OT: Missing - One Inflatable Tank Message-ID: <3DC2CF4A.55EEC782@choicehotels.com> If found, please contact your local British Army representative. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/wales/2367313.stm -- -Royce in MD "I know how to be subtle. That's when I use chemical explosives instead of nuclear." -Freefall (10/30/02) --------________--------________-------- From djtarb2002 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 1 19:13:07 2002 From: djtarb2002 at yahoo.com (Diane Tarbuck) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:13:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LMB] OT: Buffy In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.1.20021101045307.00b35be0@pop.siue.edu> Message-ID: <20021101191307.99940.qmail@web80309.mail.yahoo.com> This was awesome, Jim! This huge Buffy-phile thanks you! Diane in Philly (who meets human vampires every day...why am I not allowed to slay them?) --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! --------________--------________-------- From lorrainenfletez at hotmail.com Fri Nov 1 19:47:42 2002 From: lorrainenfletez at hotmail.com (lorraine fletez-brant) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 12:47:42 -0700 Subject: [LMB] OT: Buffy Message-ID: Diane Tarbuck writes: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:13:07 -0800 (PST) >This was awesome, Jim! This huge Buffy-phile thanks you! >(who meets human vampires every day...why am I not allowed to slay >them?) You must know a LOT of phlebotomists? Please save the exceptional ones Re Jim Parish's Buffy essays, ME #0002! And I haven't even watched it. Well written! Lorraine - Lil' Horned Hopper with very teeny-tiny veins and LIKES the best human vampires _________________________________________________________________ Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband. Join now! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp --------________--------________-------- From skyfire at t-online.de Sat Nov 2 04:08:01 2002 From: skyfire at t-online.de (Khenta) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 20:08:01 -0800 Subject: [LMB] Re: OT: Future Book Wishes References: <20021031.111306.530.30706@webmail1.wlv.untd.com> Message-ID: <3DC34FA1.9D070BA@t-online.de> Kirsten wrote: > Future books I'd love to read: "City of > Diamond" by Jane Emerson, I think you mean _City of Opal_ (have you succumbed to reading the sample chapter on her website yet? Cliffhangers have nothing on the first chapter of a book that will never be published) and _City of Pearl_. _CoD_ was #1. At least we can enjoy the TV shows she's been working on. Her scripts were the best in the first season of _Dark Angel_, IMNSHO. -- Khenta --------________--------________-------- From bhosler at partners.org Fri Nov 1 20:13:15 2002 From: bhosler at partners.org (Betsy Hosler) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:13:15 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Future Book Wishes OT: In-Reply-To: <200211010527.FAA06092@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: Paula Lieberman wrote: >From Locus: >Bantam Spectra Dec 02: _When Dragons Rage_ by Michael A. Stackpole (tp). >That certainly looks to me like a sequel to Fortress Draconis, since Bantam >Spectra is reprinting Fortress Draconis in mass market paperback this >month..... Yup, that's it. Found it on Stackpole's website when the memory nudge made me look later yesterday. Should be in stores last week in November, he said. (Only 3 weeks to go! Yeah! This will be a day 1 pick-up for me.) He also had some interesting comments about how readers had responded to his request: please buy my books so I don't have to practice asking "Do you want fries with that?" FD was reprinted in tp, and _The Dark Glory War_ (prequel to FD) has gone for 2 reprintings. Betsy H. --------________--------________-------- From cally_perry at hotmail.com Fri Nov 1 20:48:28 2002 From: cally_perry at hotmail.com (Cally Perry) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 20:48:28 -0000 Subject: [LMB] Question for Debate re irresistable forces (spoilers for DIPL and ETHA) Message-ID: I asked this once on lordv, and the only answer I got was "Miles, of course", which I had not intended to be an option. So what do you folks think? canonical s p o i l e r s p a c e Warm up question, courtesy of Stephen King in Stand By Me: Who would win in a fight, Superman or Mighty Mouse? Warm up answer: Don't be silly. Might Mouse is a cartoon. Superman is real. So, how do you see the distant future of the Nexus after the army of telepathic Quinns fielded by an evangelical movement on Athos clashes with Cetagandan forces fortified by the offspring of haut Kosigan* trophy wives? Cally * should it be Haut VorKosigan, like Torpenhow Hill? --------________--------________-------- From Royce_Day at choicehotels.com Fri Nov 1 22:15:57 2002 From: Royce_Day at choicehotels.com (Royce Day) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 17:15:57 -0500 Subject: [LMB] OT: Baby names from heck Message-ID: <3DC2FD1D.D06D208@choicehotels.com> Lovely site, this. It's excerpts from a baby-name message board, detailing some of the d*mned silly names people attempt to inflict on innocent newborns http://www.notwithoutmyhandbag.com/babynames/ -- -Royce in MD "I know how to be subtle. That's when I use chemical explosives instead of nuclear." -Freefall (10/30/02) --------________--------________-------- From lorrainenfletez at hotmail.com Fri Nov 1 22:21:45 2002 From: lorrainenfletez at hotmail.com (lorraine fletez-brant) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 15:21:45 -0700 Subject: [LMB] OT: Baby names from heck Message-ID: Royce Day lures the unwary into the inescapable: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 17:15:57 -0500 >Lovely site, this. It's excerpts from a baby-name message board, detailing some of the d*mned silly names people attempt to inflict on innocent newborns >http://www.notwithoutmyhandbag.com/babynames/ BAD Royce! Bad, bad Royce! Horned Hopper has much work to do and is now too busy cleaning off the keyboard... I had to print one because it really made me laugh: [[Freely and relinquishing any claim to royalties, patent payments, or whatever the hey, I offer the following name for anyone who wishes to bestow it upon their beautiful baby boy: Gary Indiana Jones Oh -- and this IS true: Many years ago, when I was pregnant and going to a local hospital for the usual blood tests and such, I passed by the nursery with all the infants in their clear glass (plastic) baby buckets (well, beds, but they look like little rectangular buckets). They had the first and middle name of each child proudly displayed on a tag, and one little girl had the misfortune, apparently, to be named by parents who'd dropped just a few too many hits of acid in their youth. Her name, and I swear before all that is holy, I am NOT making this up: Serenity Ambrosia. Somewhere in the vicinity of Rockford, Illinois, there is a teenaged girl who probably dresses all in black and scowls at everyone and hates her parents.]] _________________________________________________________________ Get faster connections -- switch to MSN Internet Access! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp --------________--------________-------- From birthday at dendarii.com Fri Nov 1 22:37:09 2002 From: birthday at dendarii.com (The Birthday Tixie) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 17:37:09 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Bestest of Happy Birthdays!!!!! Message-ID: <3DC2BBC5.9320.10CD7F9A@localhost> Happy Birthday to you Happy Birthday to you Happy Birthday dear Lois!!! Happy Birthday to you. The Birthday Tixie is absolutely certain that every single listee will join in to sing happy birthday to the reason for this list's existence. Lois will be celebrating her 53rd birthday tomorrow, November 2. May this day contain many happy greetings, some really good chocolate, a whole ton of great ideas, no snow, and a few more tortures for Count Vormuir. Tixie dust will be provided in great bunches by yours truly. TBT -- looking forward to a busy November wishing listees ahppy birthdays. --------________--------________-------- From lorrainenfletez at hotmail.com Fri Nov 1 22:46:44 2002 From: lorrainenfletez at hotmail.com (lorraine fletez-brant) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 15:46:44 -0700 Subject: [LMB] Bestest of Happy Birthdays!!!!! Message-ID: The Birthday Tixie was pleased to announce: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 17:37:09 -0500 > Happy Birthday to you Happy Birthday to you Happy Birthday dear Lois!!! >Happy Birthday to you. >Lois will be celebrating her 53rd birthday tomorrow, November 2. May this day contain many happy greetings, some really good chocolate, a whole ton of great ideas, no snow, and a few more tortures for Count Vormuir. Tixie dust will be provided in great >bunches by yours truly. Happy birthday, to our dear Lois! I hope your desk clears itself miraculously, you get to read the stack of good books you've been waiting for a free minute to read, and your birthday is full of all the lovely activities and people you love best! Have a wonderful year! Lorraine - who has co-opted your horned hopper as an alias , but it is NOT a trademark infringement, I promise! _________________________________________________________________ Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband. Join now! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp --------________--------________-------- From joasia at fandom.art.pl Sat Nov 2 00:24:40 2002 From: joasia at fandom.art.pl (Jo'Asia) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 01:24:40 +0100 Subject: [LMB] A wierd theory from DI (and I don't mean a Sargent) In-Reply-To: <1a0.b1df3a8.2af41d70@aol.com> References: <1a0.b1df3a8.2af41d70@aol.com> Message-ID: <1781038068.20021102012440@galaxy.uci.agh.edu.pl> My comconsole brought me this letter from MarkDEddy at aol.com: > Miles tells Pel that he thinks it's nurture, not nature. But the opposite may > be true -- he's the offspring of a Betan Survey Captain and a Barrayaran > Count (and successful warrior and politician, on both counts), after all. So is Mark who absolulely *hates* to fight... Jo'Asia -- __.-=-. joasia at fandom.art.pl Joanna Slupek .-=-.__ --<()> http://bujold.fantastyka.net/ http://esensja.pl/ <()>-- .__.'| ...................................................... |'.__. I wonder how much deeper the ocean would be without sponges. --------________--------________-------- From RayLists at quixnet.net Sat Nov 2 00:23:00 2002 From: RayLists at quixnet.net (Ray Drouillard) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 19:23:00 -0500 Subject: [LMB] A wierd theory from DI (and I don't mean a Sargent) References: <1a0.b1df3a8.2af41d70@aol.com> Message-ID: <006b01c28206$02b312a0$0200a8c0@ray> ----- Original Message ----- From: > I was just rereading Diplomatic Immunity, when something near the end caught > my eye -- > > Miles tells Pel that he thinks it's nurture, not nature. But the opposite may > be true -- he's the offspring of a Betan Survey Captain and a Barrayaran > Count (and successful warrior and politician, on both counts), after all. I can see how Lord Mark might see that statement as an insult -- implying that Miles did more with his genes than Mark did. Of course, Mark is a pretty formidable character in his own right. Ray --------________--------________-------- From tinne at eskimo.com Sat Nov 2 01:51:50 2002 From: tinne at eskimo.com (Susan Profit) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 17:51:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LMB] Re; New Book Recommendations Message-ID: Raye, I thank you and Diane for your recommendations, but -none- of the titles you mentioned were avaialbe. Two second hand bookstores, two first run bookstores later, I have four Georgette Heyers and a new Patricia Wrede. I will keep the list for next month though, thank you. Susan in Seattle --------________--------________-------- From adie_lisbeth at yahoo.ca Sat Nov 2 01:55:25 2002 From: adie_lisbeth at yahoo.ca (Adie Carter) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 20:55:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [LMB] Bestest of Happy Birthdays!!!!! In-Reply-To: <3DC2BBC5.9320.10CD7F9A@localhost> Message-ID: <20021102015525.22219.qmail@web21502.mail.yahoo.com> The Birthday Tixie wrote: Happy Birthday to you Happy Birthday to you Happy Birthday dear Lois!!! Happy Birthday to you. The Birthday Tixie is absolutely certain that every single listee will join in to sing happy birthday to the reason for this list's existence. Lois will be celebrating her 53rd birthday tomorrow, November 2. ----> Happy Happy Birthday Lois! Have a marvelous, sunny, effervescent day with your warm family and your bestest friends. *hugs* I wish you a successful year ahead, in all senses of the definition. Stay healthy, be happy, have some great food (because food rocks), do your favourite activity, and be spontaneous! (You're allowed...it's your birthday!) Yours, Adie xoxo --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals --------________--------________-------- From phoenix at ugcs.caltech.edu Sat Nov 2 02:02:37 2002 From: phoenix at ugcs.caltech.edu (Damien Sullivan) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:02:37 -0800 Subject: [LMB] Crunchy conservatives OT: Message-ID: <20021102020237.GA20091@ofb.net> "Crunchy conservatives". No, not Cthuhlu come out to play. Organic granola conservatives. http://www.nationalreview.com/30sep02/dreher093002.asp --------________--------________-------- From icewolf010 at earthlink.net Sat Nov 2 02:05:36 2002 From: icewolf010 at earthlink.net (Icewolf) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 21:05:36 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Sherwooding Brief Replies References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021031230441.00a58ba0@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <006a01c28214$57081720$fc64f4d1@Ivanova> > >Scott wrote: > >How 'bout Ian. Wearing a sarong. Singing sea chanties. While > > doing dishes. > > > >Clean dishes *and* a floor show. And Nora replied... > Scott, honey, I hate to say, but you just did more to promote the > benefits of Ian than you can possibly know. It's not the floor show. > It's the dishes. The dishes we both hate to do. Amen. That's how I fell for The Boy. Caught him doig my dishes during a New Year's party. Of course, when he grinned over his shoulder at me and my first spontaneous thought was, "Oh, do that again..." it didn't hurt, either. :) See! I even had an ObBujold! -Lyn, avoiding writing lecture notes for tomorrow's class... --------________--------________-------- From gnatg at bookcase.com Sat Nov 2 03:21:57 2002 From: gnatg at bookcase.com (Natalie Getzoff) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 22:21:57 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Be careful what you wish for! Message-ID: <3DC2FE85.17655.11D248DD@localhost> That old proverb really does have meaning. I am finally in the third trimester of this pregnancy. Now is when the body releases a hormone called relaxin, which helps the bones/joints of the pelvis relax to some degree. It makes it easier for the baby to be born. I had a birth injury that makes me walk quite stiffly, and I have always wanted to be looser. Well, I should've known that wishing for that would bring its own problems -- I have never been "unstiff". How the heck do you folks walk??? I keep tripping over my own feet -- since I am so relaxed. I can't figure this out. ObBujold -- I can only think of Miles getting his wish of having a normal body. What would the down-side of that be? Or the down- side of Cordelia having more children, etc? Interesting to speculate. Natalie -- eep! C-section planned for 2 months from tomorrow! So much to do, so little time... --------________--------________-------- From altpouncer at yahoo.com Sat Nov 2 03:34:13 2002 From: altpouncer at yahoo.com (POUNCER) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 19:34:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: Vorfoxworthy (was Re: [LMB] awful realization ) In-Reply-To: <200211020153.BAA11232@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <20021102033413.51194.qmail@web11402.mail.yahoo.com> Jason Bontrager reference(s) the definitive...um...definer of >this state. IE, Jeff Foxworthy. But how would you know if you're Vor? Well, you might be Vor if all the potential brides your babba introduces you to, share with you five or more immediate ancestors. You might be Vor if you can name more parts of a sword than "the handle" and "the sharp part". It's possible that you could be Vor if you consider Red and Blue the two OTHER colors. A young lady might be Vor if she holds a flower in her hair with a steel dagger. etc etc... I'm rushed. Help out, please? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ --------________--------________-------- From margali at 99main.com Sat Nov 2 04:20:50 2002 From: margali at 99main.com (Marilyn Traber) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 23:20:50 -0500 Subject: [LMB] OT: Testing, testing.../now CHICKENS?? Oooooh :) References: Message-ID: <3DC352A2.2030503@99main.com> Well, we have a rooster named Cogburn, a hen named Houdini and another hen named Little...;-) margali lorraine fletez-brant wrote: > As the premier chicken person on this list (AFAIK, since no one else has > stepped forward and admitted it as a personal peculiarity), let me say > that if the whole condo thing falls through, you are welcome to stay in > my backyard as one of The Chicken Girls: Buffy, Carlotta, and Russet > (they're VERY cute. Ask Jim, he got pictures - or maybe he'll just > certify that I really am a wacko ); the gang also now includes > Heidi, the formerly bare-b*tt Frizzle chicken (now with full curly > feathers). There are plenty of bugs, no butter bugs, sorry, all the > small lizards you can catch and eat whole, plenty of places to scratch > and dig. What more could you want? Welllll, no roosters, that's true. > And I don't think Pilot would like to sleep standing up on a perch > > Lorraine - Lil' Horned Hopper Hen > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp --------________--------________-------- From margali at 99main.com Sat Nov 2 04:23:03 2002 From: margali at 99main.com (Marilyn Traber) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 23:23:03 -0500 Subject: [LMB] OT: Missing - One Inflatable Tank References: <3DC2CF4A.55EEC782@choicehotels.com> Message-ID: <3DC35327.3020504@99main.com> Well, my luftwaffe buddy is flying from Laupheim to Cosovo tomorrow er, today actually - it is 6 hours earlier there - but I dont' think it could get that far... margali Royce Day wrote: > If found, please contact your local British Army representative. > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/wales/2367313.stm --------________--------________-------- From mckeownb at optusnet.com.au Sat Nov 2 04:51:09 2002 From: mckeownb at optusnet.com.au (Beatrice McKeown) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 14:51:09 +1000 Subject: [LMB] Bestest of Happy Birthdays!!!!! Message-ID: <001f01c2822b$76861ae0$bdfa8ec6@oemcomputer> Thanks to the Birthday Tixie!!! Many Happy Returns Lois I hope you have a great day - but don't get diverted from planning the future of the Vorkosigans for too long. --------________--------________-------- From cameramom00 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 2 05:02:36 2002 From: cameramom00 at yahoo.com (Casey Allison) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 21:02:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LMB] Bestest of Happy Birthdays!!!!! In-Reply-To: <3DC2BBC5.9320.10CD7F9A@localhost> Message-ID: <20021102050236.88486.qmail@web13509.mail.yahoo.com> > The Birthday Tixie wrote: > If I may harmonize with your warm-up...? And then: Hippo birdie two ewes, Hippo birdie two ewes, Hippo birrrrrdie, deer ewwwwwwes, Hippo birdie two ewes! > Lois will be celebrating her 53rd birthday tomorrow, November 2. < Modifying my standard celebratory wish to take into account the Great Frozen North location of the honored celebratee: "May you have bright warm sun {reflecting off all that d at mn snow} for your days, and cool, sweet rain {turning into even more d at nm snow} for your nights." And Lois? About that driveway shoveling service...? Yeah. Treat yourself. Happy birthday to you, the gift that keeps on, er, removing, all winter long! Hee! ~ Casey Allison ===== ~~O8:> __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ --------________--------________-------- From rparks at lvhot.org Sat Nov 2 05:37:35 2002 From: rparks at lvhot.org (Robert Parks) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 21:37:35 -0800 Subject: [LMB] Fabric shopping: OT: References: <293580-22002104312383662@M2W036.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <3DC3649F.4060805@lvhot.org> meg responded to me: > Well, yes, but it is of limited utility to the project, given that the > limits of my sewing skills are hot glue and velcro. > You mean you don't know how to fondle fabric? Tsk, tsk. > I can give you lessons. Cheap. Oh, I fondle fabric just fine. It is the later stages that are out of my range. Robert --------________--------________-------- From RayLists at quixnet.net Sat Nov 2 05:36:06 2002 From: RayLists at quixnet.net (Ray Drouillard) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 00:36:06 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Be careful what you wish for! References: <3DC2FE85.17655.11D248DD@localhost> Message-ID: <01be01c28231$be95ec60$0200a8c0@ray> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Natalie Getzoff" > ObBujold -- I can only think of Miles getting his wish of having a > normal body. What would the down-side of that be? He would probably keep bumping his head on stuff. If he wanted to spend some time at Beta Colony, he could get new arms and legs. The good folks there grew new ummm... "parts" for Dono, and can certainly grow some new legs for him. They could also probably replace his backbone and maybe whatever other guts he has that weren't blown out by that needle grenade. In fact, I wonder if that will be the Durona Group's answer to extended life. Instead of growing an entire clone and killing the brain, they can grow a new body in pieces and sew it together. Shades of Frankenstein! > Natalie -- eep! C-section planned for 2 months from tomorrow! So > much to do, so little time... Congratulations! Ray --------________--------________-------- From rparks at lvhot.org Sat Nov 2 05:42:52 2002 From: rparks at lvhot.org (Robert Parks) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 21:42:52 -0800 Subject: [LMB] OT: Sushi References: <3DC0CEE8.4080308@lvhot.org> <3DC123BA.6050104@99main.com> <3DC14B8B.2060102@lvhot.org> <3DC1F41F.7000803@99main.com> Message-ID: <3DC365DC.8080203@lvhot.org> Marilyn Traber wrote: > Well, I was tempted to put in for a transfer to the bay area, there is > an opening there but I don't think the income would be up to the outgo > of maintaining me there and paying some on the homestead back east here > in CT until Rob gets out of the navy next year. ;-( Heh. For sure. > So doing bait will have to wait until I have a bit more money, and a > good reason for coming out [like hot springs, sushi to go and perhaps > some con or another to attend;-)] Sigh. Robert --------________--------________-------- From WaWenri at aol.com Sat Nov 2 05:46:13 2002 From: WaWenri at aol.com (WaWenri at aol.com) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 00:46:13 EST Subject: [LMB] OT: Testing, testing... Message-ID: <51.26bf2eb4.2af4c0a5@aol.com> Royce Day writes: > Anybody out there? The last man on Earth sat alone in his room. There was a lock on the door. Bill Wenrich --------________--------________-------- From rparks at lvhot.org Sat Nov 2 05:49:06 2002 From: rparks at lvhot.org (Robert Parks) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 21:49:06 -0800 Subject: Subject: Re: [LMB] was Fashion textevd from Cetaganda/nowHalloween References: <3DC1F7F1.3D7D6BDC@redmaplegrove.org> Message-ID: <3DC36752.3020508@lvhot.org> Marna Nightingale wrote: > We eventually decided I was "Witchcraft Barbie" > Or, when I was feeling snide, Silver Ravenwolf. :-) > Sadly, nobody had film, so unless I recreate it, no pics. If I send you a basic digital, will you promise to use it? ARGH! Robert --------________--------________-------- From rparks at lvhot.org Sat Nov 2 06:02:06 2002 From: rparks at lvhot.org (Robert Parks) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 22:02:06 -0800 Subject: [LMB] Sherwooding Brief Replies References: <3DC201AC.9B0478CA@redmaplegrove.org> Message-ID: <3DC36A5E.7030209@lvhot.org> Marna Nightingale wrote: >>Elizabeth objects to, well, pretty much the whole concept of "breakfast". > Breakfast is served from, based on the last Houston trip, noon to 3pm. That would put me *right out*. I don't have to have breakfast right when I wake up, but 5+ hours is a long time. > Chacon a son gout. I like drinking Guiness. And, even though I have > 90 percent quit, smoking cigarettes. And I am not unfond of kissing, > though I tend not to kiss evangelical anti-smokers, on principle. I really like Guinness when I am in the mood, however, I haven't quite nailed down what that mood is yet. Obviously further study is required. Smoking is icky. But, other than passing up people who take a big ol' drag just before I open the doors, I'm not evangelical about it. Robert --------________--------________-------- From vicki at jcis.net Sat Nov 2 06:33:58 2002 From: vicki at jcis.net (Vicki V.) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 22:33:58 -0800 Subject: [LMB] Future Book Wishes OT: References: <200210310723.HAA26986@lists.herald.co.uk> <5.0.2.1.0.20021031081105.00afb380@mail.iqcisp.com> Message-ID: <016401c28239$d4077340$b0b665d8@community.net> While I'm waiting for the next CofC book ... I want the rest of Gerrold's War of the Chtorr books. Yeah, right, like THAT's ever going to happen. Weber & Ringo's March to the Stars, okay that's a gimme, January pub date and I already pre-ordered it. More Spider Robinson books. Adored the Travis McGee pilgrimage in the last one and would also like more Travis McGee but since John D. Mcdonald is dead, not gonna happen. I want another Vorkosigan book set on Barrayar. Not necessarily a Miles book, he's settled nicely, what I really want now is an Ivan book. More noir from James H. Cobb in the vein of West on Route 66, and more of his Amanda Garrett books too. Louann wants: > "The next Susan Conant ("Holly Winter and her Alaskan Malamutes") > provided she actually _does_ resolve the hung-fire romance with Steve this time. What You Said. Me too. More of Jenny Cruisie's mainstream romances that are funny as hell. She does character-driven funny-with-a-bite, like ACC. More early Laurell K. Hamilton, when there were actual plots, and characters who had lives beyond kinky sex. All the rest of the Harry Potter books. The last book in Kay Hooper's first mystery trilogy, unwritten from 12 years ago. Evanovich's Stephanie Plum in a book where she actually learns from her mistakes, and is smart enough to end up with Ranger. Vicki V. --------________--------________-------- From vicki at jcis.net Sat Nov 2 06:41:37 2002 From: vicki at jcis.net (Vicki V.) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 22:41:37 -0800 Subject: [LMB] Re: OT: Future Book Wishes References: <20021031.111306.530.30706@webmail1.wlv.untd.com> <3DC34FA1.9D070BA@t-online.de> Message-ID: <01ad01c2823a$e5973040$b0b665d8@community.net> Though of another one. Want more of Doris Egan's Ivory books. Vicki V. --------________--------________-------- From carbonelle at juno.com Sat Nov 2 06:49:14 2002 From: carbonelle at juno.com (carbonelle at juno.com) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 06:49:14 GMT Subject: [LMB] OT: "Jane Emerson" withdrawal pains Message-ID: <20021101.224935.570.522354@webmail2.wlv.untd.com> Khenta wrote: "I think you mean _City of Opal_ (have you succumbed to reading the sample chapter on her website yet? Cliffhangers have nothing on the first chapter of a book that will never be published) and _City of Pearl_. _CoD_ was #1." Very true. Jane Emerson (aka Doris Egan) probably makes more money writing her scripts but, but, but... At least the Ivory books were reisssued... Kirsten (Still waiting for the next Damar novel, too) Edwards ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com --------________--------________-------- From megj at nwlink.com Sat Nov 2 07:13:50 2002 From: megj at nwlink.com (Meg Justus) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 23:13:50 -0800 Subject: [LMB] Fabric shopping: OT: References: <293580-22002104312383662@M2W036.mail2web.com> <3DC3649F.4060805@lvhot.org> Message-ID: <030a01c2823f$f4714650$72b1cacf@meg> Robert: > Oh, I fondle fabric just fine. It is the later stages that are out of > my range. You need the later stages to go to the fabric store? Wow. That stinks. Meg --------________--------________-------- From rgmolpus at sff.net Sat Nov 2 07:19:44 2002 From: rgmolpus at sff.net (Richard Molpus) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 01:19:44 -0600 Subject: [LMB] OT: Testing, testing... In-Reply-To: <51.26bf2eb4.2af4c0a5@aol.com> Message-ID: "Pizza" sounded on the other side. The man inside went to the door. "I didn't order Pizza, who are you?" "Pizza" was repeated. The man thought. He had no cash, no change, no coupons. He had drunk all the beer. "What kind of Pizza?" he yelled through the door. ""Uh... Anchovy and Pineapple." The man went back to his chair. No mystery was worth solving, even one as classic as this, for Anchovy and Pineapple Pizza. On Sat, 2 Nov 2002 00:46:13 EST, WaWenri at aol.com wrote: >Royce Day writes: > > >> Anybody out there? > >The last man on Earth sat alone in his room. There was a lock on the door. > >Bill Wenrich >-- >Lois-Bujold mailing list >Lois-Bujold at lists.herald.co.uk >http://lists.herald.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/lois-bujold > --------________--------________-------- From rparks at lvhot.org Sat Nov 2 07:46:11 2002 From: rparks at lvhot.org (Robert Parks) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 23:46:11 -0800 Subject: [LMB] OT: A couple sets of pics. Message-ID: <3DC382C3.5040709@lvhot.org> A quick visit to the sushi bar. http://lvhot.org/sushichickens/index_kyoto.html And a little bit of decorated bus and busdriver. http://lvhot.org/sfmuni/halloween02/ Robert --------________--------________-------- From kelts at earthlink.net Sat Nov 2 07:55:17 2002 From: kelts at earthlink.net (Laura Gallagher) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 23:55:17 -0800 Subject: [LMB] Future Book Wishes OT: In-Reply-To: <016401c28239$d4077340$b0b665d8@community.net> Message-ID: <000001c28245$2fb2da80$e5432904@gallagher> I've just had one occur to me - I want the next Chanur book. Don't think that's ever going to happen, sigh. But then, I'd also like the next Kate Ross book about Julian Kestrel - and she's dead. (Hm, while on dead authors, I'd like more Lord Peter books, too) I'd settle for the next Laurie King/Beekeeper's Apprentice book. Laura Gallagher --------________--------________-------- From carosue at centurytel.net Sat Nov 2 08:11:33 2002 From: carosue at centurytel.net (House of Unruly Fish) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 01:11:33 -0700 Subject: [LMB] Poor Simon's Almanack - November 2 Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20021101133314.00bd2ce8@mail.so.centurytel.net> HAPPY BIRTHDAY, LOIS!!! This Day In Listory: 2001 - (Digests 4775-6) Donating long hair to charity, plus wildly assorted ongoing threads. 2000 - (Digests 3656-7) Terry Pratchett and other writers who indulge in lots of in-jokes. 1999 - (Digests 2870-3) Steve Sabala shares a great filk from a non-listee, William C. Gawne. The Sap of the Maple. Lots of chat about Halloween, costumes, etc. 1998 - (Digest 1979) LMB tech in the news - brain implants, posted by Avery Andrews. 1997 - (Digest 954) Ongoing threads have spawned some good non-fic book recs. 1996 - (Digest 429) Mike gives a little list history, and estimates membership at around 200. Also, Lois gets her internet connection! (Per personal info from Mike.) 1995 - No posts today. 1994 - (Old Digest 15) Other author suggestions. Respectfully submitted by, Susan the Neon Nurse All the above info collected from: http://lists.herald.co.uk/old-archives/lois-bujold/ Additions, corrections or a spare Time-turner may be sent to carosue at centurytel.net ++++++++++++++++++++++carosue at centurytel.net+++++++++++++++++++++ --------________--------________-------- From marna at redmaplegrove.org Sat Nov 2 08:16:09 2002 From: marna at redmaplegrove.org (Marna Nightingale) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 03:16:09 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Re: OT: Future Book Wishes References: <20021031.111306.530.30706@webmail1.wlv.untd.com> <3DC34FA1.9D070BA@t-online.de> <01ad01c2823a$e5973040$b0b665d8@community.net> Message-ID: <3DC389B0.C3ED3568@redmaplegrove.org> "Vicki V." wrote: > > Though of another one. Want more of Doris Egan's Ivory books. YEAH. Kirsten E very kindly sent me those, and they went on a longish bus trip with me this summer and enlivened it no end. Great stuff. Marna. --------________--------________-------- From jbryant at iee.org Sat Nov 2 08:54:30 2002 From: jbryant at iee.org (James M. BRYANT, G4CLF) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 08:54:30 +0000 Subject: [LMB] OT: New Book Recommendations In-Reply-To: <200211020153.BAA11226@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20021102085101.00ae5698@pop.luna.co.uk> 9:00 a.m. Saturday Yesterday afternoon at 16:35 I remembered that the New Peter Wimsey "Presumption of Death" was due out in mid-November and placed an order with Amazon. It arrived twenty minutes ago - sixteen hours later. James - poing! poing! poing! poing! [except that I have people for lunch and must cook some venison pasties] --------________--------________-------- From razenna at earthlink.net Sat Nov 2 09:23:17 2002 From: razenna at earthlink.net (Razenna) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 01:23:17 -0800 Subject: [LMB] Felicitations References: <200211020856.IAA13535@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <3DC39984.EBE37AE@earthlink.net> Happy Birthday, Lois. And thanks. Bert Ricci. --------________--------________-------- From margali at 99main.com Sat Nov 2 12:22:41 2002 From: margali at 99main.com (Marilyn Traber) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 07:22:41 -0500 Subject: [LMB] OT: Sushi References: <3DC0CEE8.4080308@lvhot.org> <3DC123BA.6050104@99main.com> <3DC14B8B.2060102@lvhot.org> <3DC1F41F.7000803@99main.com> <3DC365DC.8080203@lvhot.org> Message-ID: <3DC3C391.90808@99main.com> although after seeing the picture, there is this overwhelming desire to play with long hair ... ;-) [about the only desire I share with Laurell Hamilton's newest series femme. Pain I can do without.] margali Robert Parks wrote: > Marilyn Traber wrote: >> So doing bait will have to wait until I have a bit more money, and a >> good reason for coming out [like hot springs, sushi to go and perhaps >> some con or another to attend;-)] > > > Sigh. > > Robert --------________--------________-------- From margali at 99main.com Sat Nov 2 12:26:28 2002 From: margali at 99main.com (Marilyn Traber) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 07:26:28 -0500 Subject: [LMB] OT: A couple sets of pics. References: <3DC382C3.5040709@lvhot.org> Message-ID: <3DC3C474.8090405@99main.com> Wow. An animated disco ball. urk [;-)] I do like the Devo-tee however;-) margali Robert Parks wrote: > And a little bit of decorated bus and busdriver. > > http://lvhot.org/sfmuni/halloween02/ > > Robert --------________--------________-------- From djtarb2002 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 2 12:57:47 2002 From: djtarb2002 at yahoo.com (Diane Tarbuck) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 04:57:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LMB] Bestest of Happy Birthdays!!!!! In-Reply-To: <20021102015525.22219.qmail@web21502.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20021102125747.15046.qmail@web80302.mail.yahoo.com> Happy Birthday Lois! I hope your birthday is filled with chocolate, good books to read, chocolate, good friends to enjoy, chocolate, loving family, chocolate, good films to see (only 10 more days until the extended FOTR DVD!), and (did I mention?) chocolate! Happy day, and thank you for the gifts you have given US! Diane in Philly __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com --------________--------________-------- From c_muir68 at hotmail.com Sat Nov 2 13:10:54 2002 From: c_muir68 at hotmail.com (catherine muir) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 13:10:54 +0000 Subject: [LMB] Happy Birthday LMB! Message-ID: - may you never run out of ideas, or a handy typewriter/WP/pen; - may the phone never ring just as inspiration strikes; - may the Gentleman from Porlock never visit; - may you never miss a deadline; - may you always be blessed in your editors and publishers; - and may writing never become just a job. Happy birthday. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. Click Here --------________--------________-------- From c_muir68 at hotmail.com Sat Nov 2 13:13:31 2002 From: c_muir68 at hotmail.com (catherine muir) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 13:13:31 +0000 Subject: [LMB] typos in DI Message-ID: Only have the UK edition here. Problem was, every time I tried to proof read I got caught up in the story. (good problem!) 3 possibles noted: - "ancestoresses" - ancestresses?"aneurysm" - aneurism?and the perennial "different than" - different from? (p,.303)- not sure if these are simply american/english differences. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! Click Here --------________--------________-------- From c_muir68 at hotmail.com Sat Nov 2 13:14:53 2002 From: c_muir68 at hotmail.com (catherine muir) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 13:14:53 +0000 Subject: [LMB] You know you're Vor when..... Message-ID: they ask you how you know and you don't understand how anybody COULDN'T. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. Click Here --------________--------________-------- From bujoldjunkie at tds.net Sat Nov 2 13:38:53 2002 From: bujoldjunkie at tds.net (D Echelbarger) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 07:38:53 -0600 Subject: [LMB] typos in DI References: Message-ID: <005c01c28275$2f7cfca0$42eaaad8@tds.net> Catherine said: > "ancestoresses" - ancestresses?"aneurysm" - aneurism?and the perennial > "different than" - different from? (p,.303)- not sure if these are simply > american/english differences. We spell "ancestresses" the same way you do. But yes, "aneurysm" is the correct US spelling. Not sure about your third example; what's the context? Diane E Hippo Birdie Two Ewes Hippo Birdie Two Ewes Hippo Birdie Deer Lois Hippo Birdie Two Ewes! --------________--------________-------- From bujoldjunkie at tds.net Sat Nov 2 13:42:17 2002 From: bujoldjunkie at tds.net (D Echelbarger) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 07:42:17 -0600 Subject: [LMB] DI paperback spotted in grocery store rack! Message-ID: <006401c28275$a91b0520$42eaaad8@tds.net> So, I was in the local Pick-N-Save to buy some stuff, and I walked by the paperback rack--- And there it was! DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY, prominently displayed with a bright-red metallic cover and everything! Except that, on second glance, it was a thriller by some guy I'd never heard of, not Lois's book at all. Drat, I said, and bought potato chips instead. :) Diane E --------________--------________-------- From mike at dendarii.co.uk Sat Nov 2 14:05:37 2002 From: mike at dendarii.co.uk (Michael Bernardi) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 02 14:05:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [LMB] Re: Felicitations Message-ID: <30802.mike@dendarii.co.uk> Don't forget that Lois is at WorldFantasy Con this weekend, so probably won't see the birthday greetings (at least not til her return). But it does mean she will probably get to celebrate in style :) Now wouldn't winning the World Fantasy Award be a good birthday present Mike -- The Lois McMaster Bujold Photo Archive can now be found at:- http://www.dendarii.co.uk/Photos/ --------________--------________-------- From pgranzeau at cox.net Sat Nov 2 15:32:24 2002 From: pgranzeau at cox.net (Peter H. Granzeau) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 10:32:24 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Future Book Wishes OT: In-Reply-To: <000001c28245$2fb2da80$e5432904@gallagher> References: <016401c28239$d4077340$b0b665d8@community.net> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20021102102951.01d95bf0@pop.east.cox.net> At 23:55 11/01/2002 -0800, Laura Gallagher wrote: >(Hm, while on dead authors, I'd like more Lord Peter books, too) While it's faux Lord Peter, but have you read _Thrones, Dominations_, written by Jill Paton Walsh from a partial manuscript and notes left by Dorothy Sayers? -- Regards, Pete pgranzeau at cox.net --------________--------________-------- From jabrwok at mail.utexas.edu Sat Nov 2 18:10:23 2002 From: jabrwok at mail.utexas.edu (Jason Bontrager) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 10:10:23 -0800 Subject: [LMB] Future Book Wishes OT: References: <20021031053952.5869.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3DC4150F.AE541D8@mail.utexas.edu> > --- WaWenri at aol.com wrote: > > Here is a question for the list. Aside from Lois' next, > what 3-5 future books would you like to be able to read? Daniel Keys Moran's _Continuting Time_ books (that'll be the day). Rest of the Harry Potter saga. Rest of the Song of Ice & Fire (George R.R. Martin) Rest of the Posleen books by John Ringo (he's apparently going to bail on that universe after the next book, and I just can't see him wrapping up all the threads in one book, not even a door-stopper). More Stirling "ISOT" books (Island in the Sea of Time). Steve's working on a different universe right now though. Venus and Mars habitable as well as Earth (terraformed? natural? sapient locals? don't know yet...) _Conquistadore_ by Stirling. WWII vet finds door to alternate reality in his basement, proceeds to exploit OtherSide. Meanwhile, 50 years later, Game and Wildlife marshall figures out something strange is going on (finds California Condor that isn't related to any on Earth). Wackiness ensues. Jason B. --------________--------________-------- From lbujold at myinfmail.com Sat Nov 2 16:02:58 2002 From: lbujold at myinfmail.com (Lois McMaster Bujold) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 10:02:58 -0600 Subject: [LMB] thank you all Message-ID: <001401c28289$54cac320$0500000a@oemcomputer> Hi all -- Thanks for all the kind birthday wishes. 53 is kind of a non-event, but the convention is certainly party enough. Panels, parties, publishing people, books galore, lots of friends. I'm just home long enough to sleep, and take a quick peruse of my morning e-mail while drinking coffee, so I won't be answering anything at length. I'll be back to normal next Tuesday or so. My nice clean desk is filling up with unattended stuff again, but the catch-up shouldn't be so daunting, this time through. I'm not exactly holding my breath re: the World Fantasy Award, but I did get a very spiffy nomination pin. The award proper is a rather Gahan-Wilsonesque bust of H.P. Lovecraft, and the silver pin is a small copy of same. I take it as a warm welcome to the fantasy genre. Bests, Lois. --------________--------________-------- From lorrainenfletez at hotmail.com Sat Nov 2 16:49:08 2002 From: lorrainenfletez at hotmail.com (lorraine fletez-brant) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 09:49:08 -0700 Subject: Subject: Re: [LMB] Sherwooding Brief Replies Message-ID: Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 22:02:06 -0800 Robert Parks writes: >Smoking is icky. But, other than passing up people who take a big ol' drag >just before I open the doors, I'm not evangelical about it. "Before I open the doors?" ROFLMAO. Robert, you've been driving buses WAY too long! Lorraine - Lil' Horned Hopper still cracking up _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 --------________--------________-------- From lorrainenfletez at hotmail.com Sat Nov 2 17:11:06 2002 From: lorrainenfletez at hotmail.com (lorraine fletez-brant) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 10:11:06 -0700 Subject: Subject: Re: [LMB] Future Book Wishes OT: Message-ID: From: "Vicki V." Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 22:33:58 -0800 >Evanovich's Stephanie Plum in a book where she actually learns from her >mistakes, and is smart enough to end up with Ranger. Hi, Vicki and all! I just read the first Stephanie Plum book and enjoyed it enormously. It's so much fun to find a series to dive into. She never ends up with Ranger???? She certainly started with him, didn't she? Now - for all the Georgette Heyer fans: based on all of your recommendations, I finally bought _A Convenient Marriage_ and started it last night. Very enjoyable so far. But I have a really burning question...why did the publisher insist on one of the most GACKY covers I have ever seen? A smarmy looking couple in an almost heart-shaped sillhouette, gazing adoringly at each other. It's almost hard for me to look at! (At least it wasn't Fabio! Hi, Susan!) Frank took one look at the cover of my reading choice, raised an eyebrow and said, "Oh, my! I see the standards are falling quite rapidly, aren't they?" So -- why put a cover on a perfectly "respectable" book that is guaranteed to turn off the mainstream reader? I haven't read a book that was legally housed in the romance section since early high school. It WAS pretty funny. I looked around first and sidled into the romance aisle quickly. You'd think I was buying something, uh, unsavory! Well, so far, I've liked it enough to read more. (But I DON'T have to approve of the icky cover!) Lorraine - evidently opinionated Horned Hopper! _________________________________________________________________ Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp --------________--------________-------- From lorrainenfletez at hotmail.com Sat Nov 2 17:14:35 2002 From: lorrainenfletez at hotmail.com (lorraine fletez-brant) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 10:14:35 -0700 Subject: Subject: Re: [LMB] OT: Testing, testing.../now CHICKENS?? Oooooh :) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 23:20:50 -0500 From: Marilyn Traber >Well, we have a rooster named Cogburn, a hen named Houdini and another hen >named Little...;-) Yay! Another Fowlophile! I gladly share the tiara! And aren't they fun? Ours like to watch us through the windows when we're inside. Russet often tries to follow me into the house... :) Lorraine - feathered Horned Hopper _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp --------________--------________-------- From lorrainenfletez at hotmail.com Sat Nov 2 17:24:08 2002 From: lorrainenfletez at hotmail.com (lorraine fletez-brant) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 10:24:08 -0700 Subject: Subject: [LMB] Be careful what you wish for! Message-ID: From: "Natalie Getzoff" Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 22:21:57 -0500 >That old proverb really does have meaning. I am finally in the third trimester of this pregnancy. Now is when the body releases a hormone called relaxin, which helps the bones/joints of the pelvis relax to some degree. It makes it easier for the baby to be born. I had a birth injury that makes me walk quite stiffly, and I have always wanted to be looser. Well, I should've known that wishing for that would bring its own problems -- I have never been "unstiff". How the heck do you folks walk??? I keep tripping over my own >feet -- since I am so relaxed. I can't figure this out. You mean EVERYBODY ELSE doesn't trip over their own feet? Being terminally clumsy, I am always banging into things, or occasionally falling, yes, in public, thank you. Took a nice header in front of the Post Office 3 weeks ago and am still shaking out the effects of it. Good luck to you, Larry, and Hermie in the home stretch! >ObBujold -- I can only think of Miles getting his wish of having a normal body. What would the down-side of that be? Or the down- side of Cordelia having more children, etc? Interesting to >speculate. I think he'd find it very disconcerting. He'd be so often geared up for proving himself automatically, finding that part unnecessary, and then being mad that just having a "normal" body could make such a difference...it's such a part of him that I wonder if he WOULD take the opportunity on Beta if it were possible. >Natalie -- eep! C-section planned for 2 months from tomorrow! So much to >do, so little time... And do you have your little Vorkosigan Liveried Vomit Bugs Mobile ready yet? Lorraine - who thinks Natalie may have especially enjoyed Royce's diverting website yesterday on evil baby names... _________________________________________________________________ Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband. Join now! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp --------________--------________-------- From jparish at siue.edu Sat Nov 2 17:34:44 2002 From: jparish at siue.edu (Jim Parish) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 11:34:44 -0600 Subject: Subject: Re: [LMB] Future Book Wishes OT: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.1.20021102112742.01cfe768@pop.siue.edu> lorraine fletez-brant wrote: >Now - for all the Georgette Heyer fans: based on all of your >recommendations, I finally bought _A Convenient Marriage_ and started >it last night. Very enjoyable so far. > >But I have a really burning question...why did the publisher insist on >one of the most GACKY covers I have ever seen? You may not have noticed, but the publisher was Harlequin; for their customer base, that cover isn't offputting at all. (Once, a college friend of mine confessed to reading romances; I mentioned Harlequin, and she sniffed, "I don't stoop *that* low".) Somehow, they obtained the publishing rights to six of Heyer's novels; as far as I know, those are the only ones in print in the US. You have the option of holding your nose and buying the other five from Harlequin, or you can resort immediately to amazon.co.uk. - which you'll have to do anyway, to get the rest of her books. (Hm. Amazon has a Canadian branch as well, doesn't it? Are there other Heyers in print up north?) Jim Parish --------________--------________-------- From alayne at twobikes.ottawa.on.ca Sat Nov 2 17:44:22 2002 From: alayne at twobikes.ottawa.on.ca (alayne at twobikes.ottawa.on.ca) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 12:44:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: Heyer (was [LMB] Future Book Wishes OT:) Message-ID: Jim Parish writes: > You may not have noticed, but the publisher was Harlequin; for their > customer base, that cover isn't offputting at all. (Once, a college > friend of mine confessed to reading romances; I mentioned Harlequin, > and she sniffed, "I don't stoop *that* low".) Somehow, they obtained > the publishing rights to six of Heyer's novels; as far as I know, those > are the only ones in print in the US. You have the option of holding > your nose and buying the other five from Harlequin, or you can resort > immediately to amazon.co.uk. - which you'll have to do anyway, to get > the rest of her books. (Hm. Amazon has a Canadian branch as well, > doesn't it? Are there other Heyers in print up north?) In Canada, I've seen fairly recent editions from UK publishers (Pan and Mandarin come to mind, but also I think Futura) that had reasonable covers. The U.S. covers of Heyer books have always tended to be a bit more clinchish than the British. If anyone is looking for specific titles, I have some extra copies of used Heyer pbs I'd be willing to sell. Contact me off-list. -- Alayne McGregor alayne at twobikes.ottawa.on.ca / alayne at ncf.ca "The great artist, whatever the form he chooses, breaks through the limited reality around him and makes a new one. He says not 'It surely can't be just this!' but 'Listen, it's like this!' And makes it stick." -- John Gardner, "On Moral Fiction" --------________--------________-------- From tinne at eskimo.com Sat Nov 2 17:50:06 2002 From: tinne at eskimo.com (Susan Profit) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:50:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LMB] Er, Meg? Message-ID: Meg wanted to know what I thought of Georgette Heyer? Grin. She's as much fun as Jane Austin, my goodness but she has -quite- the wicked bite to her, and that 150 pages last night certainly flew by. Okay, that makes Emma Bull, Steven Brust, Patricia Wrede, and now Georgette Heyer that herself has recommended that I've enjoyed. Susan in Seattle --------________--------________-------- From tinne at eskimo.com Sat Nov 2 17:53:47 2002 From: tinne at eskimo.com (Susan Profit) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:53:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LMB] I may go a bit quiet In-Reply-To: <200211020856.IAA13539@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: Bill's 98 ye3ar old grandmother is in the hospital with an as yet undetermined problem. My mother-in-law is convinced her m other is about to die, but she's both frail and tough so I am not convinced. Susan in Seattle --------________--------________-------- From tinne at eskimo.com Sat Nov 2 17:57:13 2002 From: tinne at eskimo.com (Susan Profit) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:57:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LMB] Re: Lois' Birthday In-Reply-To: <200211020856.IAA13539@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: Happy Birthday and many happy returns of the day! May you find whatever your heart is moved to write is as warmly received by readers and a publisher as your fondest dreams can ever imagine and more. May your life arrange itself so that you have exactly what you need when you need it to do follow your passion and joy, with enough extra to enjoy the process. Susan in Seattle --------________--------________-------- From alayne at twobikes.ottawa.on.ca Sat Nov 2 18:02:25 2002 From: alayne at twobikes.ottawa.on.ca (alayne at twobikes.ottawa.on.ca) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:02:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [LMB] Happy birthday, Lois! Message-ID: May all your interruptions in the next year be either happy or useful. And may your next book idea be wonderful, and not too hard to write. -- Alayne McGregor alayne at twobikes.ottawa.on.ca / alayne at ncf.ca "The great artist, whatever the form he chooses, breaks through the limited reality around him and makes a new one. He says not 'It surely can't be just this!' but 'Listen, it's like this!' And makes it stick." -- John Gardner, "On Moral Fiction" --------________--------________-------- From bo at dendarii.com Sat Nov 2 18:15:36 2002 From: bo at dendarii.com (Bo Johansson) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 19:15:36 +0100 Subject: [LMB] Er, Meg? References: Message-ID: <013601c2829b$d754dd00$e88970d5@bredbandsbolaget.se> On Nov 02, 2002 "Susan Profit" wrote: > > ... what I thought of Georgette Heyer? Grin. > > She's as much fun as Jane Austin, my goodness ... Ah, the famous "Calamity Jane" Austin, much admired by L.M. Bujold: http://www.bluejo.demon.co.uk/austin/index.htm // Bo Johansson --------________--------________-------- From nlbarber at mac.com Sat Nov 2 18:21:51 2002 From: nlbarber at mac.com (Nancy L. Barber) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:21:51 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Future Book Wishes OT: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021102102951.01d95bf0@pop.east.cox.net> References: <016401c28239$d4077340$b0b665d8@community.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20021102102951.01d95bf0@pop.east.cox.net> Message-ID: At 10:32 AM -0500 11/2/02, Peter H. Granzeau wrote: >At 23:55 11/01/2002 -0800, Laura Gallagher wrote: > >>(Hm, while on dead authors, I'd like more Lord Peter books, too) > >While it's faux Lord Peter, but have you read _Thrones, >Dominations_, written by Jill Paton Walsh from a partial manuscript >and notes left by Dorothy Sayers? > And more faux Lord Peter is now out: _A Presumption of Death_, based on the (IIRC) plotless Wimsey Papers that Sayers wrote as WWII propaganda. It's available now in the UK, US publication is set for March. Nancy Barber --------________--------________-------- From israfel at eircom.net Sat Nov 2 18:34:54 2002 From: israfel at eircom.net (Dorian E. Gray) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 18:34:54 -0000 Subject: [LMB] Assorted Off-Topic and Out of Date Ramblings (LONG) (OT:) Message-ID: <08ba01c2829e$8a589520$f41cfea9@taliesin> Greetings, all... I've been away from the puter since last Thursday week (October 24th). Now I have 900-odd messages (on *this* list; I won't talk about the others!) to catch up with. Rather than clog the list with half a dozen responses to things everyone else has stopped talking about, I'll stick the lot in this one message, and anyone who doesn't care can delete it now. Part of the reason for my absence was Gaelcon, which was on over the Bank Holiday weekend. Gaelcon is the national gaming convention here - three days of RPGs, LARPs, wargames, boardgames, cardgames, and any other sort of game you can think of. Plus the pub-quiz-plus and the infamous Charity Auction, which this year raised about EUR24,000. I'll be writing a detailed report of it in my blog, for those of you who may be interested (http://www.livejournal.com/users/dorianegray/). For now I'll just say that my best mate bought two H.G.Wells first editions for EUR3,000 (the pair!) and I'm screamingly jealous. Also, I consulted with the Keeper of the Sacred Scripts about our Monty Python problem (Simon is an old friend of mine as well as the Usenet MP guru) and he assures me that my assumption was right - we are working off different variants which were both recorded by the Pythons. So now we know, and can find something else foolish to argue. Like the "correct" words of "Green Grow the Rushes-Oh". :-) Marna beat me to suggesting that the pockets of the suit might just have been sewn shut. (They do this so you can't ruin the line of the thing when trying it on.) On the matter of clothing in general...my LARP group all attended Gaelcon on the Sunday in costume. In amongst all the leather armour, cloaks, robes, etc., was Taryn in his...well, I'm not sure what you call it. It's a length of tartan fabric which he wears thrown over one shoulder and belted at the waist, so it forms a sort of kilt-like knee-length skirt. No-one has yet suggested that he might look effeminate, gay, or anything else derogatory in it. Possibly the 14-hole Docs and the leather armour he wears with it have something to do with this... :-) On "Household Gods" I agree with Casey. I spent most of the book wanting to give the heroine a slap upside the head for all her stupid assumptions. Someday I want to write a book where the main character goes back in time, or to Faerie, or wherever - and actually has read enough to have a clue! Ignorance provides the author with an easy way of giving info-dumps and creating conflict, but it certainly gets tiresome at times. (Side note: trawling through all this list-mail would be *much* quicker if you lot hadn't decided to take this time to have lengthy and fascinating costuming discussions!) On "trailer trash", I was vaguely surprised to find that it needed definition; I'm Irish and have never even visited the States, but I knew what the term meant. Then again, I read a lot and I've had a fair few Ami pen-pals and e-friends, so I suppose I picked it up somewhere along the way. The nearest we have here is Travellers (as I think someone mentioned). They are (or claim to be) a gypsy people, known derogatorily as "tinkers" or "knackers". Certainly in times past, some of them *were* tinkers, but that trade has died out and now most of them seem to survive by begging, selling second-hand cars (the provenance of which is usually best not enquired into) and drawing the dole. They move around quite a lot, partly because they like to travel, and partly because most settled people throw fits when a bunch of Travellers halt in their vicinity. There are not enough proper halting sites in the country, so they do tend often to leave a mess, just because they have nowhere but the roadside to put their rubbish. Chalion Errant is in these islands but the current "landlord" won't mail it. And I can't get to Bath. Bah. Future books I want... Robin McKinley: the next Damar story. Robert Weinberg: the next "logical magician" story (something tells me he found doing White Wolf tie-ins more lucrative!). Mercedes Lackey: a new Di Tregarde book - but only if it's up to the standard of the first two; "Jinx High" was terrible! Barbara Hambly: the next Asher/Lydia/Ysidro tale. And Casey - Q is for Quaint, pun intended. :-) (Well, it ought to be.) Marna's "witchcraft Barbie" costume reminds me of the year I dressed up as the Christmas Tree fairy: black satin body top with shoestring straps, black mini, very full, with zigzag hemline and black lace, fishnets, silver high-heeled shoes. All liberally besprayed with glitter. (Well, at my best mate's daughter's christening, I was dubbed the "Scary Godmother"...) I trust Our Glorious Leader had a wonderful birthday and will enjoy many more. Okay. It's taken three hours (mostly the fault of the costumers!), but I am *finally* caught up on the list! Which is good, because I have to go out to the Gaelcon staff party in an hour. Until the sky falls on our heads... Dorian. -- Dorian E. Gray israfel at eircom.net "I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible you may be mistaken." - O. Cromwell --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/02 --------________--------________-------- From MarkDEddy at aol.com Sat Nov 2 19:17:12 2002 From: MarkDEddy at aol.com (MarkDEddy at aol.com) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 14:17:12 EST Subject: [LMB] A wierd theory from DI (and I don't mean a Sargent) Message-ID: In a message dated 11/1/02 5:56:47 PM, RayLists at quixnet.net writes: > I can see how Lord Mark might see that statement as an insult -- implying > that Miles did more with his genes than Mark did. > > Of course, Mark is a pretty formidable character in his own right. > > > Well -- I'll point out that Killer says to the rest of the Black Gang that Aral is a Killer, too. Mark (What that says about Cordelia, I'm not sure) Eddy --------________--------________-------- From rterry at tagglobal.com Sat Nov 2 19:28:28 2002 From: rterry at tagglobal.com (Rebecca Terry) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 10:28:28 -0900 Subject: [LMB] Bestest of Happy Birthdays!!!!! 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Signed by: __________________ /_\ \ \_|| Jo'Asia | | Ewa Pawelec | | Saddie | | Szymon Sokol | | _______________|__ ||_\ \ \_/________________/ and all the fans I couldn't reach to get them to sign the wishes. Happy Birthday! Jo'Asia -- __.-=-. joasia at fandom.art.pl Joanna Slupek .-=-.__ --<()> http://bujold.fantastyka.net/ http://esensja.pl/ <()>-- .__.'| ...................................................... |'.__. I'm from SF-F and I'm okay, I read all night and write all day (Robson) --------________--------________-------- From lorrainenfletez at hotmail.com Sat Nov 2 20:38:41 2002 From: lorrainenfletez at hotmail.com (lorraine fletez-brant) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 13:38:41 -0700 Subject: Subject: Vorfoxworthy (was Re: [LMB] awful realization ) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 19:34:13 -0800 (PST) From: POUNCER >But how would you know if you're Vor?< I love it, Pouncer! >Well, you might be Vor if all the potential brides your babba introduces you to, share with you five or more immediate ancestors.< My humble efforts after MUCH thought! You know you're Vor when the thought of having more than twenty Armsmen makes you immediately very hungry! You know you're Vor when meeting your prospective in-laws makes you want to fling off your clothes! Lorraine...who isn't going to be asked to write material for the Vorfoxworthy Hour on the holovids... _________________________________________________________________ Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp --------________--------________-------- From vicki at jcis.net Sat Nov 2 20:40:21 2002 From: vicki at jcis.net (Vicki V.) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 12:40:21 -0800 Subject: [LMB] Happy Birthday LMB References: Message-ID: <001701c282b0$10f76960$5ab665d8@community.net> May you always be happy, with much chocolate and all good things in your life. Vicki V. --------________--------________-------- From agnes at charrel.net Sat Nov 2 20:44:21 2002 From: agnes at charrel.net (Agnes Charrel-Berthillier) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 12:44:21 -0800 Subject: [LMB] DI paperback spotted in grocery store rack! References: <006401c28275$a91b0520$42eaaad8@tds.net> Message-ID: <3DC43925.136142B7@charrel.net> D Echelbarger wrote: > > So, I was in the local Pick-N-Save to buy some > stuff, and I walked by the paperback rack--- > > And there it was! DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY, prominently > displayed with a bright-red metallic cover and > everything! Well, on the plus side the news stand (10 NYT best sellers du jour, plus some backlog from NYT bestselling authors, can't call it a bookstore) at the international terminal of the San Francisco Airport had CoC in PB edition, as one of two (three?) choices of SF&F. Agnes --------________--------________-------- From agnes at charrel.net Sat Nov 2 20:53:34 2002 From: agnes at charrel.net (Agnes Charrel-Berthillier) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 12:53:34 -0800 Subject: [LMB] Getting started with Heyer References: Message-ID: <3DC43B4E.B7B2F684@charrel.net> lorraine fletez-brant wrote: > > Now - for all the Georgette Heyer fans: based on all of your > recommendations, I finally bought _A Convenient Marriage_ and started it > last night. Very enjoyable so far. > > But I have a really burning question...why did the publisher insist on one > of the most GACKY covers I have ever seen? Well, it is published by *Harlequin* in the US... The UK edition, OTOH, have very tasteful covers. Here is a link to The Unknoen Ajax, one of my favorite http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/0749304529.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg They are also (as usual) more expensive, but with better quality paper and printing. Agnes, who happens to own the US edition on The Convenient Marriage. --------________--------________-------- From m.dolbear at lineone.net Sat Nov 2 20:29:18 2002 From: m.dolbear at lineone.net (Michael R N Dolbear) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 20:29:18 -0000 Subject: [LMB] Assorted Off-Topic and Out of Date Ramblings (OT:) Message-ID: > From: Dorian E. Gray > Date: 02 November 2002 18:34 > [...] > like to travel, and partly because most settled people throw fits when a > bunch of Travellers halt in their vicinity. There are not enough proper > halting sites in the country, so they do tend often to leave a mess, just > because they have nowhere but the roadside to put their rubbish. Err there is no evidence of this. All these folk have motor vehicles so could detour or side trip to a dump aka Civic Amenity Site with their rubbish, but seem not willing to take the trouble. Like the spammers who send me stuff in Chinese or Americans who send me mortgage spam. -- Little Egret --------________--------________-------- From ndrosen at erols.com Sat Nov 2 19:16:42 2002 From: ndrosen at erols.com (Nicholas Rosen) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 14:16:42 -0500 Subject: [LMB] This and that Message-ID: <003101c282b6$0ce22080$1d3d2c42@oemcomputer> A hearty welcome back to Kirsten Edwards! And a reminder that the Echo's Children CD _As Good As Any_ is available, and it's as good as any music I've heard in some time. The website is , and -- ObBujold -- one of the songs on _As Good As Any_ is based on Her Ladyship's work (Mark's Song). There are more Bujold filk in another Echo's Children CD, _A Dancing World_. As to personal news, I've started the second phase of the program, which means that the Patent Office is now letting me sign my own allowances and final rejections. If my superiors are pleased with the quality and quantity of my work, they may make my full signatory authority permanent. I'll find out in about six months. Meanwhile, I'm going back to the office this afternoon, trying to finish a case. We federal bureaucrats sometimes do have to work, contrary to the jokes. Regards, Nicholas --------________--------________-------- From tlambs1138 at charter.net Sat Nov 2 21:25:35 2002 From: tlambs1138 at charter.net (Jean Lamb) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:25:35 -0800 Subject: [LMB] RE: Happy Birthday, Lois! References: <200211021839.SAA15989@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <002001c282b6$6256a720$9865fea9@Samantha> May your days be filled with huge contracts for books you want to write anyway, accompanied by chocolate-dipped strawberries and your favorite kind of champagne! Jean Lamb, tlambs1138 at charter.net "There is no room for the weak and cowardly in shuffleboard!" (Worf, in Star Trek: The Love Boat Generation) --------________--------________-------- From litalex at slashyalex.com Sat Nov 2 21:26:41 2002 From: litalex at slashyalex.com (Alexandra Y. Kwan) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 13:26:41 -0800 Subject: [LMB] happy birthday, our esteemed author! Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20021102131958.00b58180@purple.ucdavis.edu> Hello, As I can't think of clever things to say: Gung jok nei fuk sau yu tin chai, Hing hoh nei san sun fai lok, Jok nei nin nin doh yau gam yat, Shui shui doh yau gam jiu, Gung hei nei, gung hei nei! That's the more traditional b-day song in HK and it essentially means: May you live as long as the heavens, Let's celebrate your joyous birthday, Wish that you can have this day every year, And this morning every age, Congratulations, congratulations! little Alex --------________--------________-------- From lorrainenfletez at hotmail.com Sat Nov 2 21:26:49 2002 From: lorrainenfletez at hotmail.com (lorraine fletez-brant) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 14:26:49 -0700 Subject: [LMB] Getting started with Heyer Message-ID: Agnes Charrel-Berthillier write: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 12:53:34 -0800 Hi, Agnes! To be precise, NO romance! But I've always enjoyed the good romantic bits in a well-written novel of whatever genre. I am thoroughly enjoying Heyer, however. It isn't what I think of when I contemplate the "romance" genre (as opposed to Romantic literature!) >Well, it is published by *Harlequin* in the US... As Jim did point out. I had missed that fine point, being so appalled at the cover, itself. >The UK edition, OTOH, have very tasteful covers. Here is a link to The Unknoen Ajax, one of my favorite >http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/0749304529.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg Thanks for the reference. >Agnes, who happens to own the US edition on The Convenient Marriage. Alec, my 14-year-old, had a very pragmatic solution when I showed it to him. He stared at it wide-eyed for a moment, then looked at me solemnly and said, "Duct tape, Mom." Lorraine - Lil' Horned Hopper surreptitiously creeping over to the tawdry neighborhood purveyor of romance novels in an alleyway, in a trenchcoat _________________________________________________________________ Unlimited Internet access for only $21.95/month. Try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp --------________--------________-------- From gnatg at bookcase.com Sat Nov 2 21:52:38 2002 From: gnatg at bookcase.com (Natalie Getzoff) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:52:38 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Re: (LMB] Be careful what you wish for! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3DC402D6.14860.15CB4E28@localhost> > You mean EVERYBODY ELSE doesn't trip over their own feet? Being > terminally clumsy, I am always banging into things, or occasionally > falling, yes, in public, thank you. Took a nice header in front of the > Post Office 3 weeks ago and am still shaking out the effects of it. Oh, I trip fairly frequently, but not nearing 4 or 5 times each day. Haven't fallen yet, although that'll happen. > > Good luck to you, Larry, and Hermie in the home stretch! Spent 4 hours today putting together the bassinet and changing table, moving furniture around various rooms (treadmills are HEAVY), and figuring out how to open and close the stroller (almost the hardest part...). > >ObBujold -- I can only think of Miles getting his wish of having a > normal body. What would the down-side of that be? Or the down- > side of Cordelia having more children, etc? Interesting to > >speculate. > > I think he'd find it very disconcerting. He'd be so often geared up > for proving himself automatically, finding that part unnecessary, and > then being mad that just having a "normal" body could make such a > difference...it's such a part of him that I wonder if he WOULD take > the opportunity on Beta if it were possible. I was once asked by the-evil-ex-boyfriend if I would trade 10 IQ points to be able to walk normally. He was completely shocked when my immediate answer was yes! I expect that Miles would say the same thing, although I can't imagine how it would affect him -- no need to prove himself quite so vigorously. His disabilities have helped define who he is (I can relate to that). How different would Miles be without them? Mark is obviously no comparison since he shares similar physical disabilities. What of those creche-mates of Mark's? I always assumed that there were some "normal Mileses" running around. Or were they terminated? > And do you have your little Vorkosigan Liveried Vomit Bugs Mobile > ready yet? Don't tempt me. The theme (I can't believe there is a theme!!!) actually is bugs. But cute ones. > Lorraine - who thinks Natalie may have especially enjoyed Royce's > diverting website yesterday on evil baby names... Not funny. Painful. I forwarded it to Larry. We'll see what new name suggestions he comes up with this week. Myrtle Ethel was a prize from a few weeks ago... Natalie -- tired now and catching up on email. --------________--------________-------- From philmfan at net-link.net Sat Nov 2 21:53:11 2002 From: philmfan at net-link.net (Steve Salaba) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:53:11 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Windy-Con Message-ID: At 7:00 PM +0000 10/31/02, hedwig wrote: >Is anyone besides me doing Windy Con? If so, stop by my tables in the >dealer's room and say HI!! (Hedwig's Corner) (incense etc.) > >Hedwig I will be there in the dealer's room as well - and I have Dendarii hats and a new "Great Seal of Barrayar" cloisonne pin to add to the available merchandise. I hope I can get them up on the web site soon, but maybe not till after Windy. PS - Is anyone still interested in "University of Vorbarr Sultana" polo shirts? If enough of you folks are, I will produce some. -- Steve Salaba SoftWear Toys & Tees (http://www.softwear-tnt.com) Lois Bujold Merchandise, Science Fictional Wearables and Furry Puppets mailto:steve at softwear-tnt.com --------________--------________-------- From megj at nwlink.com Sat Nov 2 21:39:03 2002 From: megj at nwlink.com (Meg Justus) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:39:03 -0800 Subject: [LMB] Georgette, was Er, Meg? References: Message-ID: <013201c282c5$59544ba0$4eb1cacf@meg> Susan wrote: > She's as much fun as Jane Austin, my goodness but she has -quite- the > wicked bite to her, and that 150 pages last night certainly flew by. Glad to hear it. And, see, I told you there wasn't any stigma! Meg who has picked up more than her fair share of reading recs here -- since I arrived at this list as virtually an SF novice, there's been *plenty* to choose from --------________--------________-------- From WaWenri at aol.com Sun Nov 3 01:10:43 2002 From: WaWenri at aol.com (WaWenri at aol.com) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 20:10:43 EST Subject: [LMB] Future Book Wishes OT: + Lois' B'Day Message-ID: <18f.109488ea.2af5d193@aol.com> 1634 March to the Stars The Dance of Time Advance and Retreat Happy Birthday Lois! We'll be the same age for the next 9 days. Bill Wenrich --------________--------________-------- From RayLists at quixnet.net Sun Nov 3 01:13:03 2002 From: RayLists at quixnet.net (Ray Drouillard) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 20:13:03 -0500 Subject: Subject: [LMB] Be careful what you wish for! References: Message-ID: <019301c282d6$2ca331a0$0200a8c0@ray> From: "lorraine fletez-brant" > Good luck to you, Larry, and Hermie in the home stretch! > > >ObBujold -- I can only think of Miles getting his wish of having a > >normal body. What would the down-side of that be? Or the down- > >side of Cordelia having more children, etc? Interesting to > >speculate. > > I think he'd find it very disconcerting. He'd be so often geared up for > proving himself automatically, finding that part unnecessary, and then being > mad that just having a "normal" body could make such a difference...it's > such a part of him that I wonder if he WOULD take the opportunity on Beta if > it were possible. I could see him automatically looking up when he turns around to look at someone who just hailed him, or to tilt his head back for a kiss from Ekaterine, only to tilt it back down when he sees nothing but thin air. Ray --------________--------________-------- From margali at 99main.com Sun Nov 3 01:24:50 2002 From: margali at 99main.com (Marilyn Traber) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 20:24:50 -0500 Subject: Subject: Re: [LMB] OT: Testing, testing.../now CHICKENS?? Oooooh :) References: Message-ID: <3DC47AE2.4010303@99main.com> ;-) And they lay eggses! And are tasty;-) margali lorraine fletez-brant wrote: > Yay! Another Fowlophile! I gladly share the tiara! > > And aren't they fun? Ours like to watch us through the windows when > we're inside. Russet often tries to follow me into the house... :) --------________--------________-------- From wks at ncia.net Sun Nov 3 02:26:01 2002 From: wks at ncia.net (Bill Stewart) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 21:26:01 -0500 Subject: [LMB] OT: UK TV taper needed (please) Message-ID: <3DC48939.9020800@ncia.net> If someone would be kind enough to tape a television show for me I would appreciate it. Just tell me what or how I can do for you in return. I will even part with some of my maple brew, it you will think it can survive shipping. It is Later....with Jools Holland on BBC2 on Friday, 8 November. I am unsure of the time it is shown. And yes, I am aware the UK uses PAL format, and not NTSC, but I will work around that. Thanks for reading, Bill --------________--------________-------- From lorrainenfletez at hotmail.com Sun Nov 3 02:30:09 2002 From: lorrainenfletez at hotmail.com (lorraine fletez-brant) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 19:30:09 -0700 Subject: [LMB] This and that Message-ID: From: "Nicholas Rosen" Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 14:16:42 -0500 >As to personal news, I've started the second phase of the program, which means that the Patent Office is now letting me sign my own allowances and final rejections. If my superiors are pleased with the quality and quantity of my work, they may make my full signatory authority permanent. I'll find out in about six months. Meanwhile, I'm going back to the office this afternoon, trying to finish a case. We federal bureaucrats sometimes do have to work, contrary to the jokes.< Congratulations, Nicholas! That's great news! Lorraine _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 --------________--------________-------- From mdbrazier at juno.com Sun Nov 3 02:22:38 2002 From: mdbrazier at juno.com (Michael D Brazier) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 20:22:38 -0600 Subject: [LMB] Future Book Wishes OT: Message-ID: <20021102.203632.-163291.0.mdbrazier@juno.com> On Sat, 02 Nov 2002 10:32:24 -0500 "Peter H. Granzeau" writes: > At 23:55 11/01/2002 -0800, Laura Gallagher wrote: > > >(Hm, while on dead authors, I'd like more Lord Peter books, too) > > While it's faux Lord Peter, but have you read _Thrones, > Dominations_, written by Jill Paton Walsh from a partial > manuscript and notes left by Dorothy Sayers? I have, and ... "Well, it's a nice English gentleman, but it isn't either the lunatic, the lover, or the poet, is it?" ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com --------________--------________-------- From kknolte at ecity.net Sun Nov 3 03:45:18 2002 From: kknolte at ecity.net (K Kuhn) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 21:45:18 -0600 Subject: [LMB] Aral not a prize on the marriage mart? References: <5.0.2.1.2.20021021105236.02641e88@slashyalex.com> <5.0.2.1.2.20021023023309.026c1558@slashyalex.com> <082401c27abb$cdfc6b20$7959d63f@LAPTOP> <5.1.0.14.0.20021026222519.029e2b00@mindspring.com> <054e01c27d85$ed1bce20$ac57d63f@LAPTOP> <3DBB965A.F299233@charrel.net> Message-ID: <3DC49BCC.2251@ecity.net> Agnes Charrel-Berthillier wrote: > > And to address the thread rather than Paula's specific contribution, I > don't think Aral was considered such a poor marriage choice, considering > the comments from Ivan (MD) and Byerly (ACC) on the attractiveness of > heirs to Countships. Great secret scandal or not, Aral remains much more > acceptable to mainstream Barrayaran society than his sons. Besides - there seems to be a strong strain of 'eccentricity' [1] among the high Vor - see Mad Yuri among the Vorbarra, many of the Vorruyters, whoever the glass Vorkosigan Countess came from (and possibly some of her descendents), maybe the Count who found interesting uses for his Armsmen, etc. [2] Add the possibility that the Vorzohns Tien's disease was named after were high Vor as well, and it's exceedingly likely that every high Vor family has a couple of eccentric ancestors in the closet - so why would Aral's apparent eccentricity matter considering that he's the apparent heir? Karen [1] The high Vor are rich, therefore they're eccentric rather than insane, and good right-hand men to Dorca the Just rather than psychopaths. [2] Possibility the insane streaks are why the Vor heirships are choice of Count as ratified by the Council of Counts? [3] Kinda, strict primogeniture would be too likely to come up with barking mad Counts, even though not having strict primogeniture makes it rather easier for anyone with a possible claim to start a war to get the District if the Count doesn't get around to designating a heir before dying? [3] (Heck, the haut might have let the ghem go ahead with the invasion of Barrayar simply because they thought that the high Vor gene pool was so hopelessly polluted they shouldn't have had a reasonably stable government, but they did, so something didn't fit in their theory, so... 1) Apparent stability of Barrayaran government was a fluke, in which case the ghem takeover would reveal their theories are correct as the Barrayarans fall apart on schedule, or 2) Maybe madness has its place, in which case maybe the haut need to review their breeding plans - maybe finding out that #2 might exist is why the Dowager Empress decided to throw the haut competition wide open. At least, I can see a real argument raging among the haut about whether they should start adding some insanity to the gene pool, based on the Barrayaran evidence, and the DE getting tired of trying to argue everyone around to her point of view and thinking that dividing the Empire into pro-madness and anti-madness factions would prove things one way or the other.) --------________--------________-------- From kelts at earthlink.net Sun Nov 3 03:00:13 2002 From: kelts at earthlink.net (Laura Gallagher) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 19:00:13 -0800 Subject: [LMB] OT: WARNING American politics, Minnesotan subspecies, amusing idea In-Reply-To: <3DC49BCC.2251@ecity.net> Message-ID: <001601c282e5$21a9e820$e5432904@gallagher> If you don't want to read about American politics, delete this. But I think it might amuse people. And I'm particularly hoping to amuse some Minnesotans. ok, here's some space for the digest antipolitics people. I'd hate to offend anyone So - apparently Gov. Ventura has to come up with an interim appointment for the senator spot vacated by the death of Senator Wellstone in the plane accident. I'm told he had originally planned to just appoint another Democrat and not rock the boat. Then he went to Senator Wellstone's memorial service, and apparently reacted negatively enough to the political rally the Democrats turned it into that he walked out. I have heard that he is now saying he wants to appoint an ordinary citizen, a non-politician. I think this is a delightful idea. Karl pointed out the following excerpt from Instapundit: When Ventura said he was looking for a "regular citizen" to appoint to Wellstone's seat, it occurred to me that we all know of one who'd make an excellent choice: If enough peopled called Ventura's office to suggest it, it might just be possible to persuade him to appoint Lileks. Lileks probably wouldn't want the job, of course, but that just proves he's perfect for it. I think this is a great idea. Senator Lileks! I think this is an even more delightful idea. (Anyone who is unfamiliar with Lileks, he has an online column at http://www.lileks.com/bleats/index.html. He writes for the StarTribune at http://www.startribune.com/fence/. We have a couple books of his essays and enjoy them. I like his sense of humor, and enjoy reading about him and his daughter Gnat a lot.) I'm tempted to contact the office, but as a non-Minnesotan, I don't know if it is appropriate. But if any Minnesotans on the list are amused at the idea, please do, and please pass the idea along. (The Internet, where memes spread like lightning, I love it.) Laura Gallagher ok, here's some end space for the digest antipolitics people. I'd hate to offend anyone --------________--------________-------- From jparish at siue.edu Sun Nov 3 03:10:35 2002 From: jparish at siue.edu (Jim Parish) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 21:10:35 -0600 Subject: [LMB] Future Book Wishes OT: In-Reply-To: <000001c28245$2fb2da80$e5432904@gallagher> References: <016401c28239$d4077340$b0b665d8@community.net> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.1.20021102210739.01d5d010@pop.siue.edu> Laura Gallagher wrote: >I've just had one occur to me - I want the next Chanur book. Don't >think that's ever going to happen, sigh. I want another book in the Morgaine series. At the end of _Exile's Gate_, Morgaine has another ethical dilemma in front of her: by her own rules, once Chei/Gault/Qhiverin goes through the Gate, *she has to kill him*. She broke her rules once for Chya Roh, and (though she'll never know) that one worked out. What now? On the other hand, there are a lot of ways in which EG completed the set, so I doubt Cherryh will return to it. Jim Parish --------________--------________-------- From rparks at lvhot.org Sun Nov 3 03:43:30 2002 From: rparks at lvhot.org (Robert Parks) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 19:43:30 -0800 Subject: [LMB] OT: Antismoking comments References: Message-ID: <3DC49B62.2040407@lvhot.org> lorraine fletez-brant responded to me: >> Smoking is icky. But, other than passing up people who take a big ol' >> drag just before I open the doors, I'm not evangelical about it. > "Before I open the doors?" ROFLMAO. Robert, you've been driving buses > WAY too long! I'm missing something here. I only had to be hotboxed once before I started doing this. Or the variations that result in the smoker's lungs being cycled before they can breathe on me. Robert --------________--------________-------- From RayLists at quixnet.net Sun Nov 3 04:10:42 2002 From: RayLists at quixnet.net (Ray Drouillard) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 23:10:42 -0500 Subject: [LMB] OT: WARNING American politics, Minnesotan subspecies, amusing idea References: <001601c282e5$21a9e820$e5432904@gallagher> Message-ID: <02dc01c282f3$71743460$0200a8c0@ray> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Gallagher" > When Ventura said he was looking for a "regular citizen" to > appoint to Wellstone's seat, it occurred to me that we all know of > one who'd make an excellent choice: If enough peopled called > Ventura's office to suggest it, it might just be possible to > persuade him to appoint Lileks. Lileks probably wouldn't want > the job, of course, but that just proves he's perfect for it. > > I think this is a great idea. Senator Lileks! > > I think this is an even more delightful idea. (Anyone who is unfamiliar > with Lileks, he has an online column at > http://www.lileks.com/bleats/index.html. He writes for the StarTribune > at http://www.startribune.com/fence/. We have a couple books of his > essays and enjoy them. I like his sense of humor, and enjoy reading > about him and his daughter Gnat a lot.) I know another Minnesotan who would do a good job -- probably shake the place up as much as Cordelia shook up the Vor. ;-) > > I'm tempted to contact the office, but as a non-Minnesotan, I don't know > if it is appropriate. But if any Minnesotans on the list are amused at > the idea, please do, and please pass the idea along. (The Internet, > where memes spread like lightning, I love it.) Go ahead and call. It's a free country, eh? No need to tell him where you live. Ray --------________--------________-------- From sraun at fireopal.org Sun Nov 3 05:08:39 2002 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 23:08:39 -0600 Subject: [LMB] OT: Bad News Message-ID: <20021103050839.GE9569@fireopal.org> Andre Norton is in the hospital, and is reportedly in very low spirits. > Andre Norton > 114 Eventide Drive > Murfreesboro TN 37130 > > You may send e-cards to: > > Andre Norton > E-mail Address(es): > highhallack at mindspring.com Also, Charles Sheffield has died. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A59309-2002Nov2.html -- Scott Raun sraun at fireopal.org --------________--------________-------- From vanlook at yahoo.com Sun Nov 3 05:11:13 2002 From: vanlook at yahoo.com (BJ van Look) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 21:11:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LMB] CoC at the grocery store In-Reply-To: <006401c28275$a91b0520$42eaaad8@tds.net> Message-ID: <20021103051113.38933.qmail@web13906.mail.yahoo.com> But I spotted CoC at the local Safeway -- and the tiny little ShopSmart! They were all in the bottom row of the rack... so I moved them up to eyelevel ;) Barbara ===== "I *hate* when that happens. It always feels like a personal attack by a universe which is supposed to be apathetic about me." -- Hestia to Sherrie, APtR, Scene IV BJ van Look vanlook (at) yahoo (dot) com Speaking only for myself and my evil twin Skippy. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ --------________--------________-------- From otherlois at yahoo.com Sun Nov 3 05:46:24 2002 From: otherlois at yahoo.com (Lois Aleta Fundis) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 21:46:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LMB] CoC at the grocery store In-Reply-To: <20021103051113.38933.qmail@web13906.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20021103054624.81550.qmail@web20809.mail.yahoo.com> --- BJ van Look wrote: > But I spotted CoC at the local Safeway -- and the > tiny little ShopSmart! I saw it at the M&B Market here in Weirton. It wasn't on the bottom either [1], but in the middle of the rack. M&B is a little mom-and-pop convenience store, the sort of place whose real main business is lottery tickets (last year they sold more than any other store in West Virginia; being close to the state line has its advantages), but they also have a good newsstand and I buy newspapers and magazines there quite often. I didn't buy CoC because they charge full price (no discount as with some other places I can buy books from[1]) and because it was too close to payday. I will probably be back down there tomorrow to get the Sunday papers so I will check again and if it's still there maybe I'll break down and buy it after all, having had a payday in the meantime. [1] The "Diplomatic Immunity" pb by Someone Else was in the bottom of the rack at the big Kroger supermarket in town. They did not have CoC though. Nor did M&B have the ersatz DI. [2] One of the things I want to do online in the next few days is order the new Terry Pratchett book from Amazon. ===== Lois Fundis ("the other Lois") otherlois at yahoo.com e-mail address especially for this list non-list e-mail may be sent to lfundis at weir.net "It is difficult/ to get the news from poems/ yet men die miserably every day/ for lack/ of what is found there." -- William Carlos Williams __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ --------________--------________-------- From paal at gis.net Sun Nov 3 05:52:01 2002 From: paal at gis.net (Paula Lieberman) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 00:52:01 -0500 Subject: [LMB] thank you all References: <001401c28289$54cac320$0500000a@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <03c201c282fd$21e9ea70$7957d63f@LAPTOP> Happy belated birthday, Lois! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois McMaster Bujold" > Hi all -- > > Thanks for all the kind birthday wishes. 53 is kind of a non-event, but > the convention is certainly party enough. Panels, parties, publishing > people, books galore, lots of friends. .... > The award proper is a rather Gahan-Wilsonesque bust of H.P. > Lovecraft, and the silver pin is a small copy of same. I take it as a warm I think that pins for award nominees started with Noreascon III, and if my memory's correct, you were actually part of the inspiration for it, in 1987, when you were nominated for the Campbell but weren't well-known at the time. I remembered that and suggested for Noreascon III that people nominated for awards have pins or some such to identify them. It got picked up as an idea by succeeding Worldcons and apparently by World Fantasy, too. > welcome to the fantasy genre. It it the UGLIEST award I've ever seen. Michael Swanwick remarked that it's a birth control: "Put it in the bedroom and you're NEVER be in the mood [for making babies]" --------________--------________-------- From paal at gis.net Sun Nov 3 06:13:30 2002 From: paal at gis.net (Paula Lieberman) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 01:13:30 -0500 Subject: Cover,s was Subject: Re: [LMB] Future Book Wishes References: Message-ID: <03d901c28300$228dc430$7957d63f@LAPTOP> ----- Original Message ----- From: "lorraine fletez-brant" To: Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 12:11 PM Subject: Subject: Re: [LMB] Future Book Wishes OT: > But I have a really burning question...why did the publisher insist on one > of the most GACKY covers I have ever seen? A smarmy looking couple in an Why is one of the way to get Lois to cringe, mentioning the covers of most of her books published by Baen?!! > almost heart-shaped sillhouette, gazing adoringly at each other. It's almost > hard for me to look at! (At least it wasn't Fabio! Hi, Susan!) Frank took > one look at the cover of my reading choice, raised an eyebrow and said, "Oh, > my! I see the standards are falling quite rapidly, aren't they?" So -- why Falling? ? FALLING? Sometimes there's an attack of -taste- and the covers for a while are pretty. > put a cover on a perfectly "respectable" book that is guaranteed to > turn off the mainstream reader? > > I haven't read a book that was legally housed in the romance section since > early high school. It WAS pretty funny. I looked around first and sidled > into the romance aisle quickly. You'd think I was buying something, uh, > unsavory! > Snicker > Well, so far, I've liked it enough to read more. (But I DON'T have to > approve of the icky cover!) > Well of COURSE not. Does anyone here like e.g. the cover of ACC??!! --------________--------________-------- From marna at redmaplegrove.org Sun Nov 3 06:53:39 2002 From: marna at redmaplegrove.org (Marna Nightingale) Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 01:53:39 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Future Book Wishes OT: References: <20021102.203632.-163291.0.mdbrazier@juno.com> Message-ID: <3DC4C7EB.3E31D78A@redmaplegrove.org> Michael D Brazier wrote: > > _Thrones, Dominations_, written by Jill Paton Walsh from a partial > > manuscript and notes left by Dorothy Sayers? > > I have, and ... "Well, it's a nice English gentleman, but it isn't > either the lunatic, the lover, or the poet, is it?" But Harriet is very good. I always liked Harriet. Marna. --------________--------________-------- From otherlois at yahoo.com Sun Nov 3 07:41:49 2002 From: otherlois at yahoo.com (Lois Aleta Fundis) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 23:41:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LMB] Anniversary and birthday wishes Message-ID: <20021103074149.93427.qmail@web20809.mail.yahoo.com> This seems like an appropriate time to share with the list about the first time I met Lois Bujold. It happened two years ago this weekend. (I was temporarily off the list then, due to one of those glitches that somehow unsubscribed unsuspecting listees, and so didn't tell the story then.) The West Virginia Library Association's annual conference frequently has authors as featured speakers. In 2000 the conference planners had a great lineup: Homer Hickam, Stephen Coonts, Eric Flint and Lois. The first two are West Virginia natives, and Eric's _1632_, which had recently come out, is partly set, one could say, in our beautiful state. I'm not entirely sure how Lois got added to the group except that at least one person on the planning committee was a fan of hers. The conference was held at the Holiday Inn in downtown Charleston, our state capital, Thursday through Saturday, November 1, 2, and 3. I needed to attend the conference anyway since I was that year's chairperson of the Government Documents Roundtable, a small division of WVLA but one that tries to make an annual appearance. The head of the planning committee (the director of one of the libraries in the Charleston area) had been very cooperative about rescheduling our roundtable's meeting so as not to conflict with Lois' reading, and partly as a result we were scheduled for late Thursday afternoon. I had driven down earlier in the day, a four-hour drive in the library's van. To say our roundtable meeting did not go well is actually an understatement. There was a mixup about which room we were supposed to be meeting in, our guest speaker found himself needing to be out-of-town and sent a last minute substitute, and only about half our group were able to come. But after the meeting, I was standing in the lobby talking to a friend when I saw a familiar face walking past. "Lois!" I exclaimed, and reached out to hug her. Then of course I had to pull back and introduce myself, since I realized she wouldn't have recognized me. (I think this is part of why I've never told the story, actually, because it's a little embarrassing. It kind of reminds me of the story that when Mark Twain met Ulysses S. Grant, Twain was in awe, and ended up saying, "General, I'm embarrassed. Are you?" But Lois, you're in good company, because I did the same thing when I met Bruce Springsteen.) Anyway, I showed Lois where registration was, but they were closed by then, and we talked for a while; I remember asking if she'd flown down from Minneapolis because I thought since Charleston is only a couple of hours drive from Columbus she might have stopped to visit her mom. The next day she and Eric did some readings and discussions -- Eric was just starting the Baen Free Library and much of his talk was on that -- and signings, so I got several books autographed, and gave her a birthday present and card. Homer Hickam and Stephen Coonts are good speakers, too, by the way. (And very good looking men, too.) ===== Lois Fundis ("the other Lois") otherlois at yahoo.com e-mail address especially for this list non-list e-mail may be sent to lfundis at weir.net "It is difficult/ to get the news from poems/ yet men die miserably every day/ for lack/ of what is found there." -- William Carlos Williams __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ --------________--------________-------- From robertaw at drizzle.com Sun Nov 3 07:56:39 2002 From: robertaw at drizzle.com (Robert A. Woodward) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 23:56:39 -0800 Subject: [LMB] Delayed Note for _Curse of Chalion_ (Chapter 28) Message-ID: It is revealed in Chapter 28 that Orico was taken up by the Bastard. Cazaril was of the opinion that, because of the curse, the Bastard was the protector of the Chalion royal family. But why is the trickster/odd jobs god called the Bastard? I have a theory. Chalion was inspired by Castile and Iselle is somewhat alt-Isabella of Castile. Isabella's great great grandfather was Henri of Trastamara, an illegitimate son of Alphonso XI. After several years of Pedro the Cruel's rule, Henri lead a revolt against his half-brother and finally seized the throne after 3 years of conflict (he killed Pedro at the end, I was reminded of Mad Yuri's War). Which means that the House of Trastamara was a bastard house. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert A. Woodward - robertaw at drizzle.com "We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement." Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_. --------________--------________-------- From carosue at centurytel.net Sun Nov 3 08:00:03 2002 From: carosue at centurytel.net (House of Unruly Fish) Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 01:00:03 -0700 Subject: [LMB] Poor Simon's Almanack - November 3 Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20021103005144.00b8ebb0@mail.so.centurytel.net> This Day In Listory: 2001 - (Digest 4777) POST FROM LOIS about a good mention of CoC in a big indie bookstore newsletter. Also lots more birthday wishes to Her Ladyship. 2000 - (Digest 3658) For reasons I can't quite grasp, this digest is heavily slanted towards discussion of low-flow toilets. 1999 - (Digests 2874-6) Sergei Alderman shares his view of ACC/rebuttal of some of James Burbidge's essay points. I love how our list does stuff like this! 1998 - (Digest 1980) Who and where are the other Vorkosigans who presumably aren't closely related to THE Vorkosigan? 1997 - (Digests 955-6) The list sadly decides there couldn't actually be any such mutant group as the X-Vorce springing up on Barrayar. Probably wouldn't even get the comic. 1996 - (Digest 430) Where is Athos in relation to Kline Station? Offlist, Michael Bernardi reports he received his first email from Lois, after she got her computer connected to the net the day before (nice birthday present for her!). 1995 - No posts today. 1994 - (Old Digest 15) Mike Bernardi attempts to lure Maureen O'Brien into discussing her Vorkiverse filks. Respectfully submitted by, Susan the Neon Nurse All the above info collected from: http://lists.herald.co.uk/old-archives/lois-bujold/ Additions, corrections or a memory refreshment about that bright hot thing that used to appear in the sky daily may be sent to carosue at centurytel.net ++++++++++++++++++++++carosue at centurytel.net+++++++++++++++++++++ --------________--------________-------- From paal at gis.net Sun Nov 3 08:02:36 2002 From: paal at gis.net (Paula Lieberman) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 03:02:36 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Re: OT: Future Book Wishes References: <20021031.111306.530.30706@webmail1.wlv.untd.com> Message-ID: <053601c2830f$60065110$7957d63f@LAPTOP> ----- Original Message ----- From: > Future books I'd love to read: "City of > Diamond" by Jane Emerson, "This Once, Let's > Call it Poetry" by Pamela Dean or "Judgement > Day (A Tocohl Sosumo adventure) by Janet Kagen. I keep hoping that Janet Kagan will do more novel writing. She actually wrote Hellspark before Uhura's Song, but the market was such back then that Hartwell could buy a first novel Star Trek book from her, but not an original first novel. > But I won't. > Rats. Sometimes, though... look at the Sharon Lee and Steve Miller, and at P. C. Hodgell -- Plan B actually DID come out, and reissues of the earlier Liaden novels, and then _I Dare_, and the two novels in _Pilot's Choice_ and there are more books forthcoming; and Seeker's Mask was published, and Blood and Ivory a short story collection,which is out in a new edition with more stories, and she's working on the sequel to _Seeker's Mask_.... --------________--------________-------- From paal at gis.net Sun Nov 3 08:45:36 2002 From: paal at gis.net (Paula Lieberman) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 03:45:36 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Fashion Cops and Guides References: Message-ID: <056001c28315$61a9b920$7957d63f@LAPTOP> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jagoda, Lynette K" > I used to be too. The skill set is fairly simple and finite, once > you've got the glitter and cleavage thing down pat. :-> "glitter and cleavage thing down" riiiigggggghhhhhttttt, the glitter goes -down- the cleavage and dribbles onto the floor.... REALLY lame ObBujold.... there was glitter from something or other that was around spilled onto a couple of copies of Bujold books, as I was moving some stuff around. I think the glitter came off a the black top of an outfit thta's black pants with black with glitter on it top.... --------________--------________-------- From joasia at fandom.art.pl Sun Nov 3 09:06:26 2002 From: joasia at fandom.art.pl (Jo'Asia) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 10:06:26 +0100 Subject: [LMB] Delayed Note for _Curse of Chalion_ (Chapter 28) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <151419096.20021103100626@galaxy.uci.agh.edu.pl> My comconsole brought me this letter from Robert A. Woodward: > It is revealed in Chapter 28 that Orico was taken up by the Bastard. > Cazaril was of the opinion that, because of the curse, the Bastard was > the protector of the Chalion royal family. But why is the trickster/odd > jobs god called the Bastard? It's explained in the chapter of next book here: It's IMO a spoiler-free fragment. Jo'Asia -- __.-=-. joasia at fandom.art.pl Joanna Slupek .-=-.__ --<()> http://bujold.fantastyka.net/ http://esensja.pl/ <()>-- .__.'| ...................................................... |'.__. A day without sunshine is like, well, night. --------________--------________-------- From paal at gis.net Sun Nov 3 09:27:13 2002 From: paal at gis.net (Paula Lieberman) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 04:27:13 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Trailer Trash now on topic References: <1035875989.c7f21780tygerbryght@myrealbox.com> <20021029182407.20102.qmail@titan.affordablehost.com> <5.0.2.1.0.20021030094516.00af5c60@mail.iqcisp.com> Message-ID: <05a401c2831b$32506380$7957d63f@LAPTOP> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louann Miller" > At 03:16 PM 10/29/2002 -0500, Paula Lieberman wrote: > > >Ah, I can think of a way to get both Barrayarans and Ghem upset -- those > >folks deciding to decorate their military ships in seasonal decor. Tacky > >plastic kitsch all over military spaceships, oh wow! > > This is so wrong, on so very VERY many levels, that I'm afraid I'm going to > have to put out a general call for some artwork... > How about word pictures? Over in the space suit locker, we have seasonal themes on the spacesuits. There are those decorated with a Halloween theme, jack o'lanterns, particularly for the helmets, Grim Reaper painted spacesuits, ghoulishly painted ones (complete with parody ghem lord face paint.... there are the winter-painted ones, with bottles of maple mead on a snow-covered scene decoration, there are a few with Winterfair decoration. The spring season ones include ones painted with mudspatter and dandelions. The summer ones show fireworks and party trash. > Louann, who has never denied having a low sense of humor. --------________--------________-------- From mikebomb at myrealbox.com Sun Nov 3 09:30:58 2002 From: mikebomb at myrealbox.com (Michael Bauminger) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 04:30:58 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Newest Masters on the List References: Message-ID: <008001c2831b$b7d2b3f0$3201a8c0@MBAXIS> On Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:33 PM, nbombay at mindspring.com wrote: > Our Very Own Scott Hoffman just successfully defended > his Masters Thesis this afternoon. Congratulations! --Michael --------________--------________-------- From mikebomb at myrealbox.com Sun Nov 3 09:35:35 2002 From: mikebomb at myrealbox.com (Michael Bauminger) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 04:35:35 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Yay, us! OT: References: <1035875989.c7f21780tygerbryght@myrealbox.com> <20021029182407.20102.qmail@titan.affordablehost.com> <3DBED567.385413D7@redmaplegrove.org> <3DBEDF85.26AFB98D@redmaplegrove.org> Message-ID: <008d01c2831c$5d276120$3201a8c0@MBAXIS> On Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:20 PM, "Marna Nightingale" marna at redmaplegrove.org wrote: > For all the people who asked to be told when the > encyclopedia Kiri and I among a cast of dozens > were working on last spring came out -- > > It's out! it's out! Congratulations, Marna and Kiri! --Michael --------________--------________-------- From jacki at knightech.com.au Fri Nov 1 12:26:05 2002 From: jacki at knightech.com.au (Jacki Knight) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 23:26:05 +1100 Subject: [LMB] OT: Mad Max Message-ID: <17946A2A-ED95-11D6-AEB8-003065E27958@knightech.com.au> > From: Patricia A. Swan > I've been wanting to see a tape of the Australian version > of the film just to see if he his accent was really as bad as they > implied. > > The Mad Max DVD has the original audio track. > Vicki V. > > Oh, Thank you! Muchly. > > Pat in North Carolina Do be careful that you get the Region 4 (Australian) DVD for the original audio track though. The Region 1 (USA version) that we watched had been dubbed - all the voices (except Mel's) are replaced by Americans (and I don't know what you mean by bad..........) The Region 4 DVD of MM2 is fine also. Haven't seen the Region 1 version. Jacki - who buys R1 DVDs 'cos you guys have 10 times the titles available here and who is hanging out for the R2 sets of Blakes 7 and Red Dwarf early next year and wants all the KCB movies and......and.... --------________--------________-------- From jacki at knightech.com.au Fri Nov 1 13:09:10 2002 From: jacki at knightech.com.au (Jacki Knight) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 00:09:10 +1100 Subject: [LMB] Districts and Counts Message-ID: <1C2FA238-ED9B-11D6-AEB8-003065E27958@knightech.com.au> > Dan Tilque wrote: > But what title would these subordinate vassals have? Since count > is a clipped form of accountant, what's subordinate to an > accountant? A bookkeeper, I guess. But like accountant, that > title will no doubt be clipped in common use. Bookie? Keeper? > Something like that. ROFLMAOASTC!!! Jacki - Bookkeeper by profession but by no means a Bookie (1) - SP or otherwise! (1) In Australia a Bookie is a bookMAKER - not bookKEEPER. --------________--------________-------- From jacki at knightech.com.au Fri Nov 1 14:15:32 2002 From: jacki at knightech.com.au (Jacki Knight) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 01:15:32 +1100 Subject: [LMB] OT: Sheep stations was fallback Message-ID: <61D8C3C4-EDA4-11D6-AEB8-003065E27958@knightech.com.au> > Iestyn wrote: > To give an idea of this, until it was divided in the early > 80's, one of our sheep stations (big farm) had an area > slightly greater than Texas (the US state). Rumour at > the time was that it was bought out by a consortium of > Texans with a grudge....... > and > --Michael queried: > A*single* station with a land area greater than Texas? That is > really hard to believe. I have never heard of any private entity > owning that large a piece of land. What sort of entity owned it > (e.g. a single proprietor, a family, a partnership, a large > corporation, etc)? > > How could anyone run such a thing? It must take days to drive > around the perimeter! Just going from the center to a border and > back would probably take around 10 - 12 hours. No wonder they > broke it up; it had to have been the next best thing to > unmanageable. My second nephew is head jackaroo on one of the four portions of this station (his bit is now called Commonwealth Hill) and used to be same on Rawlinna Station (one of the largest in WA). The day to day management is relatively easy as the whole area of the station is not occupied all the time and there are several homesteads. The sheep are moved by the teams of jackaroos from section to section following a pattern of feed availability and positioning for things like shearing (shearing sheds) and transport to stockyards (railway sidings/highways for trucking). It's all a matter of how many people you employ and how many critters you have running around (IIRC Rawlinna had only 70,000 sheep). It's not really necessary to travel large distances at a chunk as you make a sort of progress throughout the year; and besides there's always the station aeroplane (although these days the helicopter is getting more propular) if you do need to go somewhere in a hurry. Jacki - who would love to go and visit her favourite nephew in the bush one day - and his little brother who lives in Seattle, Washington! --------________--------________-------- From jacki at knightech.com.au Fri Nov 1 14:42:50 2002 From: jacki at knightech.com.au (Jacki Knight) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 01:42:50 +1100 Subject: [LMB] Replacing Vorkosigan Vashnoi Message-ID: <31F1B70D-EDA8-11D6-AEB8-003065E27958@knightech.com.au> > George S. Vaughan agrees wholeheartedly:- > > Washington D.C., would make a terrible major > shipping port or political capital for Australia. > and James opines: > I, OTOH, disagree with George. Washington D. C. > would make an excellent political capital for > Australia, and Canberra for the U. S. Not too sure how to take this! Perhaps accompanied by small quantity of sodium chloride? Jacki - who lives in Canberra and is grateful that James didn't say Sydney! --------________--------________-------- From jacki at knightech.com.au Fri Nov 1 14:47:40 2002 From: jacki at knightech.com.au (Jacki Knight) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 01:47:40 +1100 Subject: [LMB] OT: Monkey Message-ID: > Jim Parish wrote: > Yep. In fact, the first few chapters are devoted to the career of Monkey > (aka The Great Sage Equal to Heaven), and the events which led to his > imprisonment by the gods. He is the monk's number one disciple, and gets > more play than any of the other characters (at least so far; I'm in > Chapter 53 of 100). And this is where the terrible TV series originated, no? Jacki - whose husband still watches it whenver it's on! --------________--------________-------- From jbryant at iee.org Sun Nov 3 09:46:41 2002 From: jbryant at iee.org (James M. BRYANT, G4CLF) Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 09:46:41 +0000 Subject: [LMB] Future Book Wishes OT:- Presumption of Death In-Reply-To: <200211030805.IAA24139@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20021103094215.036517f8@pop.luna.co.uk> Marna says of "Thrones, Dominations":- >Harriet is very good. I always liked Harriet. Harriet is good in "Presumption of Death", too. And the characters mostly ring true to Sayers. But it is much more evidently NOT Sayers style. James - who enjoyed it anyway, even though he d/e/d/u/c/e/d spotted the murderer, and the motive, too early --------________--------________-------- From paal at gis.net Sun Nov 3 10:14:12 2002 From: paal at gis.net (Paula Lieberman) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 05:14:12 -0500 Subject: [LMB] OT:- Mooning Amtrak References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021030090807.00af8d70@pop.luna.co.uk> Message-ID: <05e101c28321$c2f87f20$7957d63f@LAPTOP> [catching up on old messages] ----- Original Message ----- From: "James M. BRYANT, G4CLF" > Some people are very silly:- > > http://www.moonamtrak.org/ > This ranks with the "annual Tuition Riot" scheduled at MIT when I was a student there. It was actually not a riot, people gathered around "The Great Sail" [I forget what the actual name of it is, it's one of the earlier pieces of modern art on MIT's campus] chanting "[tuition price] is TFM!" The Campus Cops would stand around indulgently and watch [any cop serving on MIT's police force has -got- to have a sense of humor and indulgence.... consider a university full of Miles-types, many of them bent on Silly Mischief.... wanting to THROTTLE them is natural, but not to be done....]. > James - the silly, > who would go if it were nearer --------________--------________-------- From brstahl at sprynet.com Sun Nov 3 10:27:41 2002 From: brstahl at sprynet.com (Bryan R. Stahl) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 12:27:41 +0200 Subject: [LMB] OT: Mad Max In-Reply-To: <17946A2A-ED95-11D6-AEB8-003065E27958@knightech.com.au> Message-ID: Jacki Knight wrote: > > Do be careful that you get the Region 4 (Australian) DVD for the > original audio track though. > > The Region 1 (USA version) that we watched had been dubbed - all the > voices (except Mel's) are replaced by Americans (and I don't know what > you mean by bad..........) > > The Region 4 DVD of MM2 is fine also. Haven't seen the Region 1 version. > > Jacki - who buys R1 DVDs 'cos you guys have 10 times the titles > available here and who is hanging out for the R2 sets of Blakes 7 and > Red Dwarf early next year and wants all the KCB movies and......and.... If you get the Special Edition DVD, it has both the Australian and U.S. mono soundtracks, plus a Dolby version of the Australian one. -- Bryan "Son, crying into your drink is bad enough; crying into a hot fudge sundae is disgusting." - Heinlein --------________--------________-------- From jparish at siue.edu Sun Nov 3 10:51:55 2002 From: jparish at siue.edu (Jim Parish) Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 04:51:55 -0600 Subject: [LMB] OT: Monkey In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.1.20021103045019.01d4c0e8@pop.siue.edu> Jacki Knight asked, of _The Journey to the West_: >And this is where the terrible TV series originated, no? So I understand, though I've never seen it. (In fact, it was a chance reference to the series on another board that prompted me to take the book off the shelf and finally start reading it.) Jim Parish --------________--------________-------- From mikebomb at myrealbox.com Sun Nov 3 11:22:04 2002 From: mikebomb at myrealbox.com (Michael Bauminger) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 06:22:04 -0500 Subject: [LMB] OT: Baby names from heck References: <3DC2FD1D.D06D208@choicehotels.com> Message-ID: <027e01c2832b$3d510ef0$3201a8c0@MBAXIS> On Friday, November 01, 2002 5:15 PM, "Royce Day" Royce_Day at choicehotels.com wrote: > Lovely site, this. It's excerpts from a baby-name > message board, detailing some of the d*mned > silly names people attempt to inflict on > innocent newborns > > http://www.notwithoutmyhandbag.com/babynames/ I used to work with someone who no sh1t named her baby boy: Chayne Armani She wanted a "different" spelling for Shane. Armani? Armani has class. Have you ever seen one of those movies where a character is trying to say something but just can't get the sounds to come out of his mouth? But he keeps trying, so his mouth makes gulping motions, like a goldfish? I looked like that, when she told me what she'd done to her innocent child. --Michael --------________--------________-------- From mikebomb at myrealbox.com Sun Nov 3 11:24:29 2002 From: mikebomb at myrealbox.com (Michael Bauminger) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 06:24:29 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Bestest of Happy Birthdays!!!!! References: <3DC2BBC5.9320.10CD7F9A@localhost> Message-ID: <028401c2832b$937c3b60$3201a8c0@MBAXIS> On Friday, November 01, 2002 5:37 PM, "The Birthday Tixie" birthday at dendarii.com wrote: > > Happy Birthday to you > Happy Birthday to you > Happy Birthday dear Lois!!! > Happy Birthday to you. > > The Birthday Tixie is absolutely certain that every single listee will > join in to sing happy birthday to the reason for this list's existence. > Lois will be celebrating her 53rd birthday tomorrow, November 2. Dang! Missed it by a few hours! Well, Happy (belated) Birthday, Lois! Many happy returns of the day. --Michael --------________--------________-------- From mikebomb at myrealbox.com Sun Nov 3 12:04:25 2002 From: mikebomb at myrealbox.com (Michael Bauminger) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 07:04:25 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Districts and Counts References: <1C2FA238-ED9B-11D6-AEB8-003065E27958@knightech.com.au> Message-ID: <035b01c28331$27b00b40$3201a8c0@MBAXIS> On Friday, November 01, 2002 8:09 AM, "Jacki Knight" jacki at knightech.com.au wrote: > (1) In Australia a Bookie is a bookMAKER - not > bookKEEPER. It's the same here in the US, especially in New York[1] and Las Vegas[2]. --Michael [1] Where they are illegal [2] Where they are legal --------________--------________-------- From iosef at gothic.net.au Sun Nov 3 12:11:53 2002 From: iosef at gothic.net.au (I) Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 23:11:53 +1100 Subject: [LMB] Assorted Off-Topic and Out of Date Ramblings (LONG) (OT:) In-Reply-To: <08ba01c2829e$8a589520$f41cfea9@taliesin> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021103230903.00ba71e0@mail.gothic.net.au> At 05:34 AM 3/11/2002, Dorian E. Gray wrote: >On the matter of clothing in general...my LARP group all attended Gaelcon on >the Sunday in costume. In amongst all the leather armour, cloaks, robes, >etc., was Taryn in his...well, I'm not sure what you call it. It's a length >of tartan fabric which he wears thrown over one shoulder and belted at the >waist, so it forms a sort of kilt-like knee-length skirt. No-one has yet >suggested that he might look effeminate, gay, or anything else derogatory in >it. Possibly the 14-hole Docs and the leather armour he wears with it have >something to do with this... :-) This sound very like a highland war kilt.... 15 yards of clan set folded in pleats, belted and draped (to allow a place to carry the sword) Iestyn (who is yet to successfully fold one) --------________--------________-------- From aharo at erols.com Sun Nov 3 12:35:59 2002 From: aharo at erols.com (Alexandra Haropulos) Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 07:35:59 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Getting started with Heyer References: Message-ID: <3DC5182F.80842DE9@erols.com> lorraine fletez-brant wrote: > Alec, my 14-year-old, had a very pragmatic solution when I showed it to him. > He stared at it wide-eyed for a moment, then looked at me solemnly and said, > "Duct tape, Mom." While Duct Tape is widely bruted as the solution to most engineering problems, I never thought of it before as a solution to aesthetic ones. I'm seeing the possible universe with new eyes, here... --------________--------________-------- From aharo at erols.com Sun Nov 3 12:40:26 2002 From: aharo at erols.com (Alexandra Haropulos) Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 07:40:26 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Future Book Wishes OT: References: <016401c28239$d4077340$b0b665d8@community.net> <5.1.1.6.1.20021102210739.01d5d010@pop.siue.edu> Message-ID: <3DC5193A.EFE685BF@erols.com> Under the category of possible, but unlikely: More of Anvil's Interstellar Patrol. More of Turtledove's Videssos stories. More Dick Francis More Peter O'Donnell All the missing Aristotle. And, simply impossible: More Heinlein, Heyer, Dickson, Eddison, Twain, Schmitz, Dumas. There may be no marriage in Heaven, but are there Books? --------________--------________-------- From aharo at erols.com Sun Nov 3 12:56:53 2002 From: aharo at erols.com (Alexandra Haropulos) Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 07:56:53 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Aral and his mother Message-ID: <3DC51D15.E5672E05@erols.com> Used some insomnia time last night thinking about Aral and his mother's death. We have a clear description in SoH, and his wish that he had just thought of the carving knife. On the whole, we see a very balanced, together Aral, the sufferings of his youth left behind. But how has he dealt with his eyewitness experience of his mother's death as he became an adult? How does it color his relationship with Cordelia? Is it possibly his loss that makes him willing to treat Cordelia as an equal - the "missing mom"? How do the rest of you think that Aral has been shaped by the horrible death of his mother? Miles can see her in the abstract (the scene in ACC with the saddle), but Aral has to have her etched in acid on his brain. --------________--------________-------- From kelts at earthlink.net Sun Nov 3 15:42:01 2002 From: kelts at earthlink.net (Laura Gallagher) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 07:42:01 -0800 Subject: [LMB] Future Book Wishes OT: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021102102951.01d95bf0@pop.east.cox.net> Message-ID: <003601c2834f$8d4416e0$e5432904@gallagher> > Laura Gallagher wrote: > >(Hm, while on dead authors, I'd like more Lord Peter books, too) Pete wrote > While it's faux Lord Peter, but have you read _Thrones, Dominations_, > written by Jill Paton Walsh from a partial manuscript and > notes left by Dorothy Sayers? Yes, I have it. And I like it. No, it's not as good as the Sayers one, but I'm still glad I have it. I'm glad to note the mentions of the new Walsh one, I shall want to read that. Laura --------________--------________-------- From rparks at lvhot.org Sun Nov 3 16:17:08 2002 From: rparks at lvhot.org (Robert Parks) Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 08:17:08 -0800 Subject: [LMB] OT: Fashion References: <056001c28315$61a9b920$7957d63f@LAPTOP> Message-ID: <3DC54C04.9090004@lvhot.org> Paula Lieberman responded to: >>I used to be too. The skill set is fairly simple and finite, once >>you've got the glitter and cleavage thing down pat. :-> > "glitter and cleavage thing down" riiiigggggghhhhhttttt, the glitter > goes -down- the cleavage and dribbles onto the floor.... One word: "adhesives" Robert I know, I know, the visual image is possibly jarring, but I think you know what I mean. :) --------________--------________-------- From israfel at eircom.net Sun Nov 3 16:31:41 2002 From: israfel at eircom.net (Dorian E. Gray) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:31:41 -0000 Subject: [LMB] Assorted Off-Topic and Out of Date Ramblings (LONG) (OT:) References: <5.1.1.6.0.20021103230903.00ba71e0@mail.gothic.net.au> Message-ID: <010401c28356$7df92020$f41cfea9@taliesin> Iestyn suggested of Taryn's costume... > This sound very like a highland war kilt.... 15 yards of clan set folded in > pleats, belted and draped (to allow a place to carry the sword) > > Iestyn (who is yet to successfully fold one) Taryn gets around this by not bothering to do any kind of formal folding at all! He just belts the thing and pulls it out to ensure all-round coverage. His sword is large and usually goes on his back, though he carries a mace on his belt. Until the sky falls on our heads... Dorian. -- Dorian E. Gray israfel at eircom.net "I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible you may be mistaken." - O. Cromwell --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 31/10/02 --------________--------________-------- From tlambs1138 at charter.net Sun Nov 3 17:25:02 2002 From: tlambs1138 at charter.net (Jean Lamb) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 09:25:02 -0800 Subject: [LMB] RE: Auditors/Grey Lensmen References: <200210282119.VAA07872@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <004301c2835d$f1f9eac0$9865fea9@Samantha> "From: "Lois Bujold" Not that I've had to answer this question in a story -- if I ever do, I reserve the right to change my mind -- but I do suspect modern Auditors do get some sort of regular retainer, substantial by middle-class standards, modest by high Vor standards. The richer Auditors, by custom, likely either refuse the retainer or devote it to their favorite charity. A mere admiral retired on half-pay likely keeps his. This is, of course, apart from expenses, for which they must have some kind of unlimited account." --I know a good way to drive Mark Vorkosigan absolutely out of his mind--put him on an Auditor's or Grey Lensman's type of budget, where he can get everything he wants just by signing for it, but none of actually _belongs_ to him. Watching the ethical conflict between Gorge (who obviously manifests himself financially as well) and Lord Mark, who would understand the ethics of the situation between wants and needs would be interesting, snicker. He'd probably end up establishing a privy and a public purse the way Gregor probably does, but getting there would be half the fun. Jean Lamb, tlambs1138 at charter.net "There is no room for the weak and cowardly in shuffleboard!" (Worf, in Star Trek: The Love Boat Generation) --------________--------________-------- From robertaw at drizzle.com Sun Nov 3 18:29:40 2002 From: robertaw at drizzle.com (Robert A. Woodward) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 10:29:40 -0800 Subject: [LMB] Delayed Note for _Curse of Chalion_ (Chapter 28) In-Reply-To: <151419096.20021103100626@galaxy.uci.agh.edu.pl> Message-ID: <37017BEE-EF5A-11D6-AD2B-0003936731E6@drizzle.com> On Sunday, November 3, 2002, at 01:06 AM, Jo'Asia wrote: > My comconsole brought me this letter from Robert A. Woodward: > >> It is revealed in Chapter 28 that Orico was taken up by the Bastard. >> Cazaril was of the opinion that, because of the curse, the Bastard was >> the protector of the Chalion royal family. But why is the trickster/odd >> jobs god called the Bastard? > > It's explained in the chapter of next book here: > But it doesn't explain why LMB called the trickster/old jobs god the Bastard. That is my question. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert A. Woodward - robertaw at drizzle.com "We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement." Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_. --------________--------________-------- From lorrainenfletez at hotmail.com Sun Nov 3 19:09:29 2002 From: lorrainenfletez at hotmail.com (lorraine fletez-brant) Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 12:09:29 -0700 Subject: Subject: [LMB] OT: Antismoking comments Message-ID: Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 19:43:30 -0800 From: Robert Parks >lorraine fletez-brant responded to me: >>>Smoking is icky. But, other than passing up people who take a big >>>ol' >>>drag just before I open the doors, I'm not evangelical about it. >>"Before I open the doors?" ROFLMAO. Robert, you've been driving >>buses >>WAY too long! >I'm missing something here. I only had to be hotboxed once before I >started doing this. Or the variations that result in the smoker's >lungs >being cycled before they can breathe on me. Hi, Robert and all! You have to remember, Robert, that I have an extraordinarily literal mind! I am going to be deeply disappointed if you were *actually* talking about opening the doors to your bus and having a passenger come in exhaling smoke as s/he goes. You have no idea. I was so delighted with what I took to be a euphemism that you had coined, based on your bus driving experiences....I thought the topic was *kissing* someone who is a smoker... Lorraine - Lil' Horned Hopper who loves strange metaphors :) _________________________________________________________________ Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! Try MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp --------________--------________-------- From maya at tcp.co.uk Sun Nov 3 19:17:23 2002 From: maya at tcp.co.uk (Genevieve Cogman) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 19:17:23 -0000 Subject: [LMB] OT: Monkey Message-ID: <006f01c2836d$a454f3e0$420150c3@q1e2t6> Also from this we get the recent currently-running manga and two-season (so far) anime, _Gensomaden Saiyuki_, or just plain _Saiyuki_, by Minnekura Kazuya, which takes horrible irreverent liberties with the whole story, but also just plain rocks on toast. Some details at http://www.aestheticism.net/visitors/manga/saiyuuki_summary/index.htm and http://www.aestheticism.net/visitors/manga/saiyuki/index.htm for the curious. Genevieve Cogman (admitted fan) -----Original Message----- From: Jim Parish Subject: Re: [LMB] OT: Monkey >Jacki Knight asked, of _The Journey to the West_: >>And this is where the terrible TV series originated, no? > >So I understand, though I've never seen it. (In fact, it was a chance >reference to the series on another board that prompted me to take the >book off the shelf and finally start reading it.) --------________--------________-------- From marna at redmaplegrove.org Sun Nov 3 19:36:51 2002 From: marna at redmaplegrove.org (Marna Nightingale) Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 14:36:51 -0500 Subject: [LMB] OT: Painted Ladies (and Gentlemen) and a bottle of wine, Mama... (was: Fashion) References: <056001c28315$61a9b920$7957d63f@LAPTOP> <3DC54C04.9090004@lvhot.org> Message-ID: <3DC57ABB.7B584B67@redmaplegrove.org> Robert Parks wrote: > >>I used to be too. The skill set is fairly simple and finite, once > >>you've got the glitter and cleavage thing down pat. :-> That was me, that bit. Yes, gentlemen, cleavage is optional. if you haven't got any, flash some collarbone. > Paula Lieberman responded: > > "glitter and cleavage thing down" riiiigggggghhhhhttttt, the glitter > > goes -down- the cleavage and dribbles onto the floor.... And Robert said; adhesives. To which I say, not even. Craft store glitter will do this, it is true. Except if you WANT it to leave. Then it will adhere to your skin oils. But one doesn't typically wear craft-store glitter. I generally favour Lush Glitterbugs, myself. Or Fairy Jasmine and Street Party Bath Ballistics, also Lush. We're still dealing with the last bits of glitter from when Ellie and I had one of those in the bath in early October. www.lushcanada.com or www.lush.co.uk If you're on a tight budget, there's Caboodles. http://www.caboodles.com/ (good makeup cases too -- site under construction, but see your local drugstore) If not quite so tight, www.urbandecay.com -- many many glittery things. or, if you're willing to risk having your credit card eaten alive -- www.sephora.com Marna, who is actually wearing old Cotton Ginny and no makeup of any sort at this time. . --------________--------________-------- From gnatg at bookcase.com Sun Nov 3 19:54:26 2002 From: gnatg at bookcase.com (Natalie Getzoff) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 14:54:26 -0500 Subject: [LMB] OT: that evil baby names site Message-ID: <3DC538A2.12736.1A859F21@localhost> Thanks a lot, Royce. I thought that site was funny and sort of horrifying, so I told Larry about it. You should hear the names he's coming up with now (Throckmorton Blaze, eg). Serves me right for forwarding your email. Aaargh! And phooey! Natalie -- whose kid still carries the temporary name of Hermie --------________--------________-------- From tinne at eskimo.com Sun Nov 3 20:01:42 2002 From: tinne at eskimo.com (Susan Profit) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 12:01:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LMB] Re: Going Quiet In-Reply-To: <200211030119.BAA17736@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: Despite my mother-in-laws fears of her mother's health, Bill's 98 year old grandmother came home from the hospital yesterday, they still aren't sure why she fell (which started the whole process) but have ruled out neurological causes. She is being chewed out by both her doctor and daughters for not keeping the cell phone on her person, which would have avoided the half an hour of laying in the driveway unable to get up until her neighbor saw her. As of yet, her doctor doesn't seem to think she needs to be in a nursing home or have a live-in companion. I thank everyone who sent good wishes for her recovery. at }->- :} Tinne ;} Laughter Heals :D -<-{ at --------________--------________-------- From ndrosen at erols.com Sun Nov 3 15:29:30 2002 From: ndrosen at erols.com (Nicholas Rosen) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 10:29:30 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Count in Seredy books? OT: Message-ID: <001f01c28374$f4e9c040$3e372c42@oemcomputer> During the discussion of _The Good Master_ and _The Singing Tree_, Profitne referred to the father as a Count, and justified that assumption based on his evident status as a large rancher, and his prominence in the community, as well as her familiarity with Hungarian culture. Against that, one may set that people outside his family address him as Mr. Nagy, not as Count Nagy or Your Lordship. Also, when he is called up for military service, it is as an enlisted man, a corporal IIRC. Would a nobleman in the Austro-Hungarian Empire plausibly have been an enlisted man, or would he have been an officer? On the other hand, would a big farmer and rancher have been an untitled gentleman, or would he almost surely have been a Count, or something? I don't know the answers. Does anyone? Regards, Nicholas Rosen --------________--------________-------- From hoyameb at qconline.com Sun Nov 3 20:31:05 2002 From: hoyameb at qconline.com (Mary Brodd) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 14:31:05 -0600 Subject: [LMB] Future Book Wishes OT: In-Reply-To: <003601c2834f$8d4416e0$e5432904@gallagher> Message-ID: I would like more DISCWORLD novels, preferably concerning the Guards (I know a new one is out this month). One per week would be good. Regards Mary Brodd --------________--------________-------- From birthday at dendarii.com Sun Nov 3 21:11:50 2002 From: birthday at dendarii.com (The Birthday Tixie) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:11:50 -0500 Subject: [LMB] begging for birthdays Message-ID: <3DC54AC6.19138.1ACC7E4A@localhost> As always, TBT is looking for more birthdays to celebrate. If you want me to wish you an on-list happy birthday, send me your birthday (OFF-LIST) and the age you will be (if you want to admit it). If your birthday is upcoming, and you aren't sure that you sent it, or if just want to make sure that I have it, send it again. TBT --------________--------________-------- From cameramom00 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 3 21:54:27 2002 From: cameramom00 at yahoo.com (Casey Allison) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 13:54:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LMB] Colleges - Question for Paula OT: In-Reply-To: <05e101c28321$c2f87f20$7957d63f@LAPTOP> Message-ID: <20021103215427.94592.qmail@web13504.mail.yahoo.com> --- Paula Lieberman wrote: > [catching up on old messages] > This ranks with the "annual Tuition Riot" scheduled at MIT when I was a student there. < Just curious: What years were you at MIT? I had a cousin who graduated from there too. ~ Casey ===== ~~O8:> __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ --------________--------________-------- From tlambs1138 at charter.net Sun Nov 3 21:54:40 2002 From: tlambs1138 at charter.net (Jean Lamb) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 13:54:40 -0800 Subject: [LMB] Re: Lois-Bujold digest, Vol 1 #1719 - 16 msgs References: <200211011201.MAA07996@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <000801c28383$9c848480$9865fea9@Samantha> Peter Newman-- How about Flashman and the Draka, Flashman and the Martian Tripods, Flashman and Dr Moreau, Flashman and Nemo, Flashman and Lord Greystroke, Flashman and Professor Moriarty, etc. --One of the latest FLASHMAN books does feature a Col. Sebastian Moran...(not FLASHMAN AND THE MOUNTAIN OF LIGHT, but the one after that). Jean Lamb, tlambs1138 at charter.net "There is no room for the weak and cowardly in shuffleboard!" (Worf, in Star Trek: The Love Boat Generation) --------________--------________-------- From jabrwok at mail.utexas.edu Sun Nov 3 22:42:30 2002 From: jabrwok at mail.utexas.edu (Jason Bontrager) Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 16:42:30 -0600 Subject: [LMB] Re: Lois-Bujold digest, Vol 1 #1719 - 16 msgs References: <200211011201.MAA07996@lists.herald.co.uk> <000801c28383$9c848480$9865fea9@Samantha> Message-ID: <3DC5A656.65522653@mail.utexas.edu> > Peter Newman-- > How about Flashman and the Draka, Flashman and the Martian Tripods, Flashman > and Dr Moreau, Flashman and Nemo, Flashman and Lord Greystroke, Flashman and > Professor Moriarty, etc. Flashman and the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen?:-). Jason B. --------________--------________-------- From megj at nwlink.com Sun Nov 3 22:37:53 2002 From: megj at nwlink.com (Meg Justus) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 14:37:53 -0800 Subject: [LMB] Poor Simon's Almanack - November 3 References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021103005144.00b8ebb0@mail.so.centurytel.net> Message-ID: <011f01c2838a$f61a27f0$63b1cacf@meg> Susan, the neon nurse sounding like a Northwesterner: > Additions, corrections or a memory refreshment about that bright hot thing > that used to appear in the sky daily may be sent to carosue at centurytel.net It's here in Washington State. Somehow the darned thing took a left when it should have taken a right, and we haven't had any rain for *weeks.* Meg who wants her gray back! P.S. Did I mention how much I appreciate your doing Poor Simon's? Your asides are almost as good as Miles's. Low-flow toilets, indeed. Forensic plumbing? --------________--------________-------- From RayLists at quixnet.net Mon Nov 4 00:32:56 2002 From: RayLists at quixnet.net (Ray Drouillard) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 19:32:56 -0500 Subject: [LMB] You might be Vor if... Message-ID: <023c01c28399$bc2d1020$0200a8c0@ray> your attic has better artifacts than the local museum. Ray Drouillard --------________--------________-------- From raye_j at yahoo.com Mon Nov 4 01:31:20 2002 From: raye_j at yahoo.com (Raye Johnsen) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 17:31:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LMB] Proof that life in the army is no picnic Message-ID: <20021104013120.77145.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> I was searching for something funny to cheer myself up with and I found this: The 213 Things Skippy Is No Longer Allowed To Do In The U.S. Army: http://www.skippyslist.com/ .... which sparked a thought in my head: would Miles/Ivan/Gregor be the proud compiler of such a list? (Well, probably not Gregor - who'd ever tell him to stop?) And which ones on this list would they be guilty of? I swear all three of them would do #28, Ivan would kill to get the opportunity to do #31 (especially if it got him out of Miles' viscinity), Miles would do #33 and #34, and #54 probably wouldn't be a violation on Barrayar. We all already know Miles has chronic problems with #57, and after #58 I had a very crazy three minutes wondering what cadences they would come up with and then be formally asked to never, ever use again. The rest of the list is equally funny, but I'd like your opinions - what would be 'The 100 Things Miles Is No Longer Allowed To Do In The Barrayaran Army'? Raye ===== raye_j at yahoo.com livejournal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/windtear http://www.thejohnsens.com/index.html "Does the love of two people matter against the fate of the universe?" "I am selfish. It matters to *me*." - Doctor Who __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ --------________--------________-------- From paal at gis.net Sun Nov 3 20:42:04 2002 From: paal at gis.net (Paula Lieberman) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 15:42:04 -0500 Subject: [LMB] RE: Auditors/Grey Lensmen References: <200210282119.VAA07872@lists.herald.co.uk> <004301c2835d$f1f9eac0$9865fea9@Samantha> Message-ID: <06ec01c283a5$f032f8b0$7957d63f@LAPTOP> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Lamb" > --I know a good way to drive Mark Vorkosigan absolutely out of his mind--put > him on an Auditor's or Grey Lensman's type of budget, where he can get > everything he wants just by signing for it, but none of actually _belongs_ > to him. Watching the ethical conflict between Gorge (who obviously manifests > himself financially as well) and Lord Mark, who would understand the ethics But with Mark being -rich- and of independent means, I dougt that would be an issue -- he might also enjoy the challenge of increaseing the Imperial Privy Purpose's net worth, and make Gorge happy by accumulating wealth for Cousin Gregor and making trouble for other bureaucrats dealing with an agency -making- money that's supposed to lose it.... > of the situation between wants and needs would be interesting, snicker. He'd > probably end up establishing a privy and a public purse the way Gregor > probably does, but getting there would be half the fun. --------________--------________-------- From paal at gis.net Mon Nov 4 02:02:55 2002 From: paal at gis.net (Paula Lieberman) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 21:02:55 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Colleges - Question for Paula OT: References: <20021103215427.94592.qmail@web13504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <06f301c283a6$4cb9a5c0$7957d63f@LAPTOP> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Casey Allison" To: Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 4:54 PM Subject: [LMB] Colleges - Question for Paula OT: > --- Paula Lieberman wrote: > > > [catching up on old messages] > > > This ranks with the "annual Tuition Riot" scheduled > at MIT when I was a student there. < > > Just curious: What years were you at MIT? I had a > cousin who graduated from there too. > 1971 (fall freshman year) - 1975 > ~ Casey > > ===== > ~~O8:> > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now > http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ > -- > Lois-Bujold mailing list > Lois-Bujold at lists.herald.co.uk > http://lists.herald.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/lois-bujold --------________--------________-------- From t_geyer at yahoo.com Mon Nov 4 02:35:13 2002 From: t_geyer at yahoo.com (Tina Geyer) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 18:35:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LMB] OT: Okay, ya like my wierd web sites... In-Reply-To: <3DC1999F.46140C93@choicehotels.com> Message-ID: <20021104023513.11967.qmail@web13906.mail.yahoo.com> --- Royce Day wrote: > ...well here's one I managed to find all by my > lonesome, detailing the strange, odd world of the humble traffic cone. > > http://www.kibo.com/photos/cones_2/ > That makes me really regret not having a camera with me when I was wandering around Edinburgh a couple of years ago and saw a traffic cone balanced on the head of a statue of Hume. To my great disappointment, when I came back later, with camera, the cone was gone. ===== Tina t_geyer at yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ --------________--------________-------- From gramina at yahoo.com Mon Nov 4 02:36:39 2002 From: gramina at yahoo.com (Gramina) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 18:36:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LMB] Re: Trailer Trash In-Reply-To: <00c901c280b7$36b41fe0$09b81e43@LAPTOP> Message-ID: <20021104023639.77617.qmail@web11906.mail.yahoo.com> --- Paula Lieberman wrote: > Also, I had suggested that "trailer trash" was > perhaps not the best > descriptor for the Extremely Inelegnat [one way of > putting it....] Haut Lady > Parody, because there are lots of people in trailer > living or who go out > part of the time in the road on them, who don't fit > that set of stereotypes. Please pardon my hanging this side comment on your post... I've been working insane hours lately, and mostly having to delete the Bujold list stuff unread -- when I'm either to, from, or at work from 6:30 a.m. to 8:30 p.m., nothing else much happens. This, though, caught my eye -- and it's Sunday, so I've had a little sleep. Regarding the whole "trailer trash" stereotype --- I never really thought about it one way or the other, until I was talking to a friend of mine who'd lived in a trailer park after leaving her abusive husband, and had had to deal with the way the stereotype affected not her, but her children. They'd hear that sort of reference on TV, and think it meant them... they live in a trailer park, they're poor, they don't have the things the families on TV have, they must be trash. The pain that caused her, trying to convince her children that they were *not* *trash* no matter where they lived, has persuaded me that I'm going to find another way to express that meme in future. Just something the thread title reminded me of -- again, please forgive my hanging this on your post. Oh, and if anyone wants to be sure I see something, you might send it direct to "gramina at yahoo" rather than to the list, because I'm filtering everything with the list tag into a separate folder for reading (or more often and grieviously, deleting) when I'm conscious and not at work... Peace be! Michele __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ --------________--------________-------- From Timothybil at comcast.net Mon Nov 4 02:44:49 2002 From: Timothybil at comcast.net (Tim Neumann) Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 21:44:49 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Fashion Cops and Guides In-Reply-To: <0b7201c27fce$7c0c5a10$ac57d63f@LAPTOP> Message-ID: > > D Echelbarger wrote: > > > > > > Scott indulged himself in a mini-rant on the > > > narrowness of mens' clothing choices. > > > > > > If a man who wears a pink polo shirt > > > > > > You know, the US is a lot worse than other contries on > that subject. > > > > Yes, on the West Coast (and provided you work in the > right industry) men > > can wear shorts and t-shirts at work, but I sometimes > miss the pastel > > shirts (pink included) and the ties with cute little > animals on them. > > > I think that the old IBM used to have suits with pink > shirts as an mostly > unofficial uniform for males. > IBM Dress Code: Dark Blue or Black Suit (Pinstrips allowed only if very narrow and faint) Shiny Black Shoes White Shirt 'Sincere' Blue Tie (IBM Blue preferred) Tim, who remembers selling against them before they became extinct --------________--------________-------- From kelts at earthlink.net Mon Nov 4 02:53:06 2002 From: kelts at earthlink.net (Laura Gallagher) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 18:53:06 -0800 Subject: [LMB] The 100 Things Miles Is No Longer Allowed To Do In The Barrayaran Army In-Reply-To: <20021104013120.77145.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000301c283ad$4d45dc00$84422904@gallagher> > The rest of the list is equally funny, but I'd like > your opinions - what would be 'The 100 Things Miles Is > No Longer Allowed To Do In The Barrayaran Army'? I think he already has problems with #40 on the SkippyList. And DEFINITELY #62. Ok, most of what I've come up with is from Vor Game, some from WA, some from later books. I haven't been able to come up with 100, but I hope it's a good start. 1. Cannot swear in Betans 2. May not sell anyone radioactive farmland. 3. Must not aid and abet deserters. 4. May not recruit foreign mercenaries without Simon Ilyans permission. 5. My proper title is Ensign Vorkosigan, not Mr. Naismith. (or Lt. Vorkosigan, not Admiral Naismith, depending on the book...) 6. Not allowed to introduce armsmen to their former rape victims. 7. May not question perfectly ordinary assignment, no matter how stupid it may be. 8. May not ask my commanding officer to tell me whos running this bloody zoo. 9. Not allowed to park scat cats in a Permafrost Inversion Zone. 10. Not allowed to attach bubble shelter to a scat cat ever again. 11. May not damage equipment, even to create emergency SOS. 12. Must not convince Ops officers to find new ways to break foolproof security systems. 13. Cannot join a mutiny, even to prevent a massacre. 14. Must never have officers who outrank me stunned and put in the brig of a mercenary ship. 15. Not allowed to threaten the Emperor with a plasma cannon. 16. Must not view higher ranking officers as future subordinates. 17. Must obey orders, even if commanders give me the wrong orders. 18. Not allowed to destroy careers of any more loyal officers. 19. Must not keep important secrets from my own side, especially in enemy territory. 20. Must not save enemy empires without my superiors permission. 21. Not allowed to receive major military awards from the Empires foremost enemies. 22. Must not skip sending in interim reports. 23. Not allowed to take additional contracts for one Betan dollar. 24. Must not piss off Jacksonian barons *before* finding an escape route. 25. Must not rewrite orders to rescue 14,000 POWs rather than one. 26. Not allowed to go secretly AWOL and then have my exploits filmed on Euronews Network. 27. Must not sleep with recruits under my command. 28. Must not sleep with sergeants under my command. 29. Must not sleep with officers under my command. 30. Not allowed to mortgage spaceships I do not technically own. 31. Must not accuse superiors of embezzling funds. 32. Must not skip out on official ImpSec missions to pursue family problems. 33. Must not lead combat drop raids on 30 minutes notice. 34. Must not lead combat drop raids without full armor. 35. Not allowed to hide medical problems from commanding officers. 36. Not allowed to delete incriminating records from operations reports. 37. May not have seizures in order to get out of embarrassing conversations with my CO. (Then the SkippyList ones that can just be transferred across, other than those previously mentioned by Raye) 40.I do not have super-powers. 62.It is better to beg forgiveness than to ask permission, no longer applies to Miles Vorkosigan. 89.Must not refer to my CO as Uncle Simon' . . . . . ***101 "But I'm an Auditor now - so never mind" Laura Gallagher --------________--------________-------- From RayLists at quixnet.net Mon Nov 4 02:53:56 2002 From: RayLists at quixnet.net (Ray Drouillard) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 21:53:56 -0500 Subject: [LMB] RE: Auditors/Grey Lensmen References: <200210282119.VAA07872@lists.herald.co.uk> <004301c2835d$f1f9eac0$9865fea9@Samantha> <06ec01c283a5$f032f8b0$7957d63f@LAPTOP> Message-ID: <02aa01c283ad$6e038320$0200a8c0@ray> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paula Lieberman" To: Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [LMB] RE: Auditors/Grey Lensmen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jean Lamb" > > > > --I know a good way to drive Mark Vorkosigan absolutely out of his > mind--put > > him on an Auditor's or Grey Lensman's type of budget, where he can get > > everything he wants just by signing for it, but none of actually _belongs_ > > to him. Watching the ethical conflict between Gorge (who obviously > manifests > > himself financially as well) and Lord Mark, who would understand the > ethics > > But with Mark being -rich- and of independent means, I dougt that would be > an issue -- he might also enjoy the challenge of increaseing the Imperial > Privy Purpose's net worth, and make Gorge happy by accumulating wealth for > Cousin Gregor and making trouble for other bureaucrats dealing with an > agency -making- money that's supposed to lose it.... He sure tripped out Miles, then Simon when he gave ImpSec that million Betan dollars. I can definitely see him doing it :-) Ray --------________--------________-------- From gorilla at elaine.furryape.com Mon Nov 4 03:31:12 2002 From: gorilla at elaine.furryape.com (Alan Barclay) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 22:31:12 -0500 Subject: [LMB] You might be Vor if... In-Reply-To: <023c01c28399$bc2d1020$0200a8c0@ray>; from RayLists@quixnet.net on Sun, Nov 03, 2002 at 07:32:56PM -0500 References: <023c01c28399$bc2d1020$0200a8c0@ray> Message-ID: <20021103223111.A27698@elaine.furryape.com> Quoting Ray Drouillard (RayLists at quixnet.net): > your attic has better artifacts than the local museum. Or you have a climate controlled document room. --------________--------________-------- From rparks at lvhot.org Mon Nov 4 03:40:00 2002 From: rparks at lvhot.org (Robert Parks) Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 19:40:00 -0800 Subject: Subject: [LMB] OT: Antismoking comments References: Message-ID: <3DC5EC10.7010709@lvhot.org> lorraine fletez-brant responded to me: >>>> Smoking is icky. But, other than passing up people who take a >>>> big ol' drag just before I open the doors, I'm not evangelical >>>> about it. >>> "Before I open the doors?" ROFLMAO. Robert, you've been driving >>> buses WAY too long! >> I'm missing something here. I only had to be hotboxed once before >> I started doing this. Or the variations that result in the >> smoker's lungs being cycled before they can breathe on me. > You have to remember, Robert, that I have an extraordinarily literal > mind! I am going to be deeply disappointed if you were *actually* > talking about opening the doors to your bus and having a passenger > come in exhaling smoke as s/he goes. You'll have to be disappointed, that is exactly what I was speaking of. > You have no idea. I was so > delighted with what I took to be a euphemism that you had coined, > based on your bus driving experiences....I thought the topic was > *kissing* someone who is a smoker... Euuuuwwwwwwwww. Luckily I just cracked another bottle of San Francisco's Own trackball-roller-cleaner and general purpose remover of bad tastes from both mouth and brain.[1] Ahh, much better. Robert [1] I actually opened it because I'm out of denatured alcohol and that was the next closest thing...about 5 minutes ago. --------________--------________-------- From raye_j at yahoo.com Mon Nov 4 03:40:29 2002 From: raye_j at yahoo.com (Raye Johnsen) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 19:40:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LMB] The 100 Things Miles Is No Longer Allowed To Do In The Barrayaran Army In-Reply-To: <000301c283ad$4d45dc00$84422904@gallagher> Message-ID: <20021104034029.99227.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> --- Laura Gallagher wrote: > ***101 "But I'm an Auditor now - so never mind" That's the topping of the lot! Raye ===== raye_j at yahoo.com livejournal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/windtear http://www.thejohnsens.com/index.html "Does the love of two people matter against the fate of the universe?" "I am selfish. It matters to *me*." - Doctor Who __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ --------________--------________-------- From cameramom00 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 4 04:04:56 2002 From: cameramom00 at yahoo.com (Casey Allison) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 20:04:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LMB] Colleges - Question for Paula OT: In-Reply-To: <06f301c283a6$4cb9a5c0$7957d63f@LAPTOP> Message-ID: <20021104040456.64326.qmail@web13506.mail.yahoo.com> > Paula Lieberman answered my question: >> What years were you at MIT? I had a cousin who graduated from there too. << > 1971 (fall freshman year) - 1975 Wow, that's right in range! I don't remember the exact years she was there, but my rough estimate is 1972-76 or thereabouts. She's Judy Snodgrass; she studied civil engineering & architecture. Another possible memory-jogger: she was younger than the usual freshman, only 16 when she started, as she'd skipped two grades in school. Ring any bells? ~ Casey ===== ~~O8:> __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ --------________--------________-------- From vanlook at yahoo.com Mon Nov 4 04:12:21 2002 From: vanlook at yahoo.com (BJ van Look) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 20:12:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LMB] Aral and his mother In-Reply-To: <3DC51D15.E5672E05@erols.com> Message-ID: <20021104041221.91851.qmail@web13901.mail.yahoo.com> > How do the rest of you think that Aral has been shaped by the > horrible death of his mother? Miles can see her in the abstract > (the scene in ACC with the saddle), but Aral has to have her > etched in acid on his brain. I think it colored his view of women in war -- I mean, obviously, women could die as horribly as men. (A sonic grenade to the stomach? I wonder if Aral was ever able to use a sonic grenade). Wasn't that what they used in the assasination attempt in _Barrayar_? Talk about flashbacks.... Barbara ===== "I *hate* when that happens. It always feels like a personal attack by a universe which is supposed to be apathetic about me." -- Hestia to Sherrie, APtR, Scene IV BJ van Look vanlook (at) yahoo (dot) com Speaking only for myself and my evil twin Skippy. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ --------________--------________-------- From lorrainenfletez at hotmail.com Mon Nov 4 04:21:14 2002 From: lorrainenfletez at hotmail.com (lorraine fletez-brant) Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 21:21:14 -0700 Subject: Subject: [LMB] OT: Antismoking comments Message-ID: Robert Parks dispels my delighted sense of the absurd: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 19:40:00 -0800 >lorraine fletez-brant responded to me: >>>> Smoking is icky. But, other than passing up people who take a >>>> big ol' drag just before I open the doors, I'm not evangelical >>>> about it. >>> "Before I open the doors?" ROFLMAO. Robert, you've been driving >>> buses WAY too long! >> I'm missing something here. I only had to be hotboxed once before >> I started doing this. Or the variations that result in the >> smoker's lungs being cycled before they can breathe on me. > You have to remember, Robert, that I have an extraordinarily literal > mind! I am going to be deeply disappointed if you were *actually* > talking about opening the doors to your bus and having a passenger > come in exhaling smoke as s/he goes. >You'll have to be disappointed, that is exactly what I was speaking of. > You have no idea. I was so > delighted with what I took to be a euphemism that you had coined, > based on your bus driving experiences....I thought the topic was > *kissing* someone who is a smoker... >Euuuuwwwwwwwww. >Luckily I just cracked another bottle of San Francisco's Own >trackball-roller-cleaner and general purpose remover of bad tastes >from >both mouth and brain.[1] >Ahh, much better. But you must admit that the image was hysterically funny! This may open up a whole new line of metaphors...you can see why I was ROFL... Lorraine - Horned Hopper thinking of all kinds of bus imagery... :) _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp --------________--------________-------- From rparks at lvhot.org Mon Nov 4 04:34:02 2002 From: rparks at lvhot.org (Robert Parks) Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 20:34:02 -0800 Subject: [LMB] OT: Painted Ladies (and Gentlemen) and a bottle of wine, Mama... (was: Fashion) References: <056001c28315$61a9b920$7957d63f@LAPTOP> <3DC54C04.9090004@lvhot.org> <3DC57ABB.7B584B67@redmaplegrove.org> Message-ID: <3DC5F8BA.9090906@lvhot.org> Marna Nightingale responded to me: >>>>I used to be too. The skill set is fairly simple and finite, once >>>>you've got the glitter and cleavage thing down pat. :-> > That was me, that bit. I thought so, that's why I de-attributed it, but I was too lazy to actually look it up. > Yes, gentlemen, cleavage is optional. if you haven't got any, flash > some collarbone. Truly! Diversity is Good! >>Paula Lieberman responded: >>>"glitter and cleavage thing down" riiiigggggghhhhhttttt, the glitter >>>goes -down- the cleavage and dribbles onto the floor.... > And Robert said; adhesives. > To which I say, not even. Robert is actually aware of this (I am not trying to introduce Denise to Marna for no reason at all). > Craft store glitter will do this, it is true. Except if you WANT it > to leave. Then it will adhere to your skin oils. > But one doesn't typically wear craft-store glitter. One hopes not, unless one really is going for a specific effect. (snippage of glitterlinks) > Marna, who is actually wearing old Cotton Ginny and no makeup of any > sort at this time. Feels good to get out of the uniform, eh? Robert -- "I have never reread a book for its plot or ideas but reread to visit with friends again." - Lois McMaster Bujold --------________--------________-------- From dan at danrhea.com Mon Nov 4 04:38:46 2002 From: dan at danrhea.com (Dan Rhea) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 23:38:46 -0500 Subject: Subject: [LMB] Future Book Wishes OT: References: Message-ID: <00ad01c283bc$1031baa0$6601a8c0@rheanet> Repost... used the wrong e-mail address... d'oh! ----- Original Message ----- From: "lorraine fletez-brant" Subject: Subject: [LMB] Future Book Wishes OT: > Casey Allison wrote: > > >--- WaWenri at aol.com wrote: > > > > Homer H. Hickam, Jr.: If I had my druthers, I'd > love another reminiscence about Coalwood. But if the > man wants to transcribe the Biloxi phone book, I'll > stand in line to buy it! (I don't recall if I've ever > recommended this author onlist, but...RUN, don't walk, > to grab "The Coalwood Way" or "October Sky (Rocket > Boys)"! *Wonderful* stuff!< > > Have you also read _Back to The Moon_? It's his fiction work. And I'll wait > with you if he transcribes the phone book! What a writer! Cool... I knew there was a reason why I joined this list (besides being a longtime fan of LMB). Someone else who has read Homer H. Hickman... the man can indeed write, and I hope he continues to do so since I'll wait in line to buy whatever he writes (other than the phone book thing... I'll have to pass on that, unless he includes a plot and some dialog, and breaks it into several volumes ). I also need to track down this work of fiction he's done (I have a few things saved up to order from Amazon). As for my own wishes... I'd love to see Lois write a sequel to "The Spirit Ring" (And I mentioned this to her at a dinner a few years ago when she was in the Fort Lauderdale, Florida area for an academic conference... International Association for the Fantastic in the Arts... www.iafa.org. In 1997 I believe). Actually it doesn't matter... I've always liked anything she has chosen to write and I'm sure I will continue to do so. Though it's not specifically SF or Fantasy, I'd love to see several new George C. Chesboro (sp?) Mongo books (Mysterious Press). Dan Rhea "Loyalty is for family, friends and country, not operating systems, compilers and computers" - Dan Rhea, 1986 --------________--------________-------- From cameramom00 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 4 04:39:34 2002 From: cameramom00 at yahoo.com (Casey Allison) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 20:39:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LMB] Michelllllllllllle!!! OT: Message-ID: <20021104043934.45093.qmail@web13504.mail.yahoo.com> Michele, dear.... I just wanted to say how pleased I was to see your post! I have desperately missed your humor, insights, intelligence, thoughtfulness and grace. I'm sorry your work schedule has been so ghastly, and hope it eases soon--both for your own sake and for ours here (hee...enlightened self interest and all...) and that you may then return to posting more regularly again. ~ Casey, major Michele fan ===== ~~O8:> __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ --------________--------________-------- From WaWenri at aol.com Mon Nov 4 05:23:26 2002 From: WaWenri at aol.com (WaWenri at aol.com) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 00:23:26 EST Subject: Cover,s was Subject: Re: [LMB] Future Book Wishes Message-ID: <45.1fa82a3e.2af75e4e@aol.com> Paula Lieberman writes: > Well of COURSE not. Does anyone here like e.g. the cover of ACC??!! > Better than the "Battle Nightie"! Bill Wenrich --------________--------________-------- From carosue at centurytel.net Mon Nov 4 05:46:19 2002 From: carosue at centurytel.net (House of Unruly Fish) Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 22:46:19 -0700 Subject: [LMB] Re: (LMB] Be careful what you wish for! In-Reply-To: <3DC402D6.14860.15CB4E28@localhost> References: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20021103223201.00bacba8@mail.so.centurytel.net> Hi Natalie, and all! Wouldn't you think some clever research chap would have seen the possibilities in synthesizing the useful parts of relaxin and be marketing it for conditions it would help? Isn't this the 21st century, after all? And where's our dang lightflyers, while I'm on the rant?? It's funny how posts sometimes relate on wildly different lists. Someone on another list I'm on was just asking about hyperextension and why it's bad for you, considering how much work athletes go to to improve their stretch and flexibility. But having connective tissue that's TOO stretchy does indeed pose a problem! >I was once asked by the-evil-ex-boyfriend if I would trade 10 IQ points to >be able to >walk normally. He was completely shocked when my immediate answer was yes! Probably this is an easier sacrifice to those (of us, she added egotistically) who have a few points to spare.... An interesting corollary question is, if you could choose only one, would you rather be really smart, or really happy? Personally I think happy has much to recommend it! Susan the Neon Nurse ++++++++++++++++++++++carosue at centurytel.net+++++++++++++++++++++ --------________--------________-------- From carosue at centurytel.net Mon Nov 4 05:52:59 2002 From: carosue at centurytel.net (House of Unruly Fish) Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 22:52:59 -0700 Subject: [LMB] OT: Got any time you want to kill? Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20021103225150.00bd7a88@mail.so.centurytel.net> Great way to work off frustrations and practice speed mousing! This is a game called the "Realistic Internet Simulator" http://www.b3ta.com/realistic-internet-simulator/ You'll be humming the song all day, be warned! Susan the Neon Nurse ++++++++++++++++++++++carosue at centurytel.net+++++++++++++++++++++ --------________--------________-------- From rparks at lvhot.org Mon Nov 4 06:16:14 2002 From: rparks at lvhot.org (Robert Parks) Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 22:16:14 -0800 Subject: [LMB] Re: (LMB] Be careful what you wish for! References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021103223201.00bacba8@mail.so.centurytel.net> Message-ID: <3DC610AE.6020701@lvhot.org> House of Unruly Fish wrote: > An interesting corollary question is, if you could choose only one, > would you rather be really smart, or really happy? Personally I think > happy has much to recommend it! Truly. The obverse being that you know you are not happy, and probably have some sort of idea why. Robert busily trying not to slide down that slippery slope tonight. Maybe I'll go wash my hair and go to bed with it wet and give myself a whole 'nother set of things to be concerned about that will distract me. --------________--------________-------- From tiamat at tsoft.com Mon Nov 4 06:39:01 2002 From: tiamat at tsoft.com (Azalais Malfoy) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 22:39:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LMB] Re: (LMB] Be careful what you wish for! In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021103223201.00bacba8@mail.so.centurytel.net> Message-ID: <20021103223645.X5986-100000@shell.rawbw.com> On Sun, 3 Nov 2002, House of Unruly Fish wrote: > An interesting corollary question is, if you could choose only one, would > you rather be really smart, or really happy? Personally I think happy has > much to recommend it! Smart. As miserable as I've been at times in my life, I'm very very glad I'm not some of the very happy, complacent people I know who never do anything interesting and don't "get" the things I enjoy. I've never met anyone who sorts Slytherin that had a happy, normal childhood or an easy life, but I am VERY glad to be one! ~malfoy ************************************************************************** "That wickedness weltering around inside of you, inside of everyone, is sacred somewhere. There's a deity out there who digs it. You can respect and love your darkest side, disposing only of what is obsolete or impractical. It's all about giving yourself permission." --Jack Darkhand "It is better to be cruel for love than for hate." --Thomas Burnett Swann --------________--------________-------- From carosue at centurytel.net Mon Nov 4 07:36:41 2002 From: carosue at centurytel.net (House of Unruly Fish) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 00:36:41 -0700 Subject: [LMB] Poor Simon's Almanack - November 4 Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20021104002820.00b475d0@mail.so.centurytel.net> This Day In Listory: 2001 - (Digests 4778-9) Lois posts a "hobbit's birthday present" on Baen's Bar, the 1st chapter of DI! 2000 - (Digest 3659) Not even going to TRY to summarize this digest. Go thou, read, and be astounded on your own watch. :) 1999 - (Digests 2877-80) Impsec.com? Bujold character sig lines? Also, speculation about the source of Ivan's somewhat carefree spending. 1998 - (Digests 1981-2) Jerrie Adkins wonders if Cordelia's mom ever got to meet Aral. Also, setting up the schedule to read and discuss Spirit Ring. 1997 - No posts today. 1996 - (Digest 431) Stephanie Folse shares the first version of the Casting FAQ she is masterminding. 1995 - No posts today. 1994 - (Old Digest 16) Maureen O'Brien tells of other sources of filk about LMB's work Respectfully submitted by, Susan the Neon Nurse All the above info collected from: http://lists.herald.co.uk/old-archives/lois-bujold/ Additions, corrections or enough mental stamina to make it through just another day and a half of election ads may be sent to carosue at centurytel.net ++++++++++++++++++++++carosue at centurytel.net+++++++++++++++++++++ --------________--------________-------- From carbonelle at juno.com Mon Nov 4 07:39:40 2002 From: carbonelle at juno.com (carbonelle at juno.com) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 07:39:40 GMT Subject: [LMB] RE: OT: Patents & authors Message-ID: <20021103.233954.6141.327399@webmail3.wlv.untd.com> I am glad to hear from Nicholas that his career in the Patent office is doing so well, but sorry to find (as Scott R. informs us) that Charles Sheffield had died. No more Jupiter novels... alas. Though Paula L. reminds me to keep my chin up & hope (re: Jane Emerson/Egan, Pamela Dean & Janet Kagan) by pointing out the happy ending Steve Miller & Sharon Lee provided their fans, I remind her: I waited 12 $# at ! years for "Plan B" (That's a looooooong time to check Forthcoming Books, quarterly :-) Kirsten (Never a good waiter) Edwards ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com --------________--------________-------- From carbonelle at juno.com Mon Nov 4 07:46:01 2002 From: carbonelle at juno.com (carbonelle at juno.com) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 07:46:01 GMT Subject: [LMB] Re: OT: An answer? Message-ID: <20021103.234656.6141.327423@webmail3.wlv.untd.com> Alexandra H. asks: "There may be no marriage in Heaven, but are there Books?" Yes. But only those you lent out to others. A more pertinent question: Is there *reading*? Kirsten ("Narnia & the North!") Edwards ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com --------________--------________-------- From iosef at gothic.net.au Mon Nov 4 07:58:47 2002 From: iosef at gothic.net.au (I) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 18:58:47 +1100 Subject: [LMB] Getting started with Heyer In-Reply-To: <3DC5182F.80842DE9@erols.com> References: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021104185751.00b6ac88@mail.gothic.net.au> At 11:35 PM 3/11/2002, Alexandra Haropulos wrote: >While Duct Tape is widely bruted as the solution to most engineering >problems, I never thought of it before as a solution to aesthetic ones. There are "singers" to whom it is the only solution... Iestyn --------________--------________-------- From iosef at gothic.net.au Mon Nov 4 08:05:11 2002 From: iosef at gothic.net.au (I) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 19:05:11 +1100 Subject: [LMB] Assorted Off-Topic and Out of Date Ramblings (LONG) (OT:) In-Reply-To: <010401c28356$7df92020$f41cfea9@taliesin> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20021103230903.00ba71e0@mail.gothic.net.au> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021104190115.00bad4b0@mail.gothic.net.au> At 03:31 AM 4/11/2002, Dorian E. Gray wrote: >His sword is large and usually goes on his back, though he carries a mace on >his belt. My fault, I should have been clearer: the drape over the shoulder allows a"Claid Mhor" (spelling?) to sit comfortably on the shoulder. Think two hander, rather than later basket hilt. Iestyn --------________--------________-------- From carbonelle at juno.com Mon Nov 4 08:09:23 2002 From: carbonelle at juno.com (carbonelle at juno.com) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:09:23 GMT Subject: [LMB] Re: Be careful what you wish for & another answer OT:? Message-ID: <20021104.001000.6141.327464@webmail3.wlv.untd.com> Malfoy writes in answer to "smart" vs. "happy" "Smart. As miserable as I've been at times in my life, I'm very very glad I'm not some of the very happy, complacent people I know who never do anything interesting and don't "get" the things I enjoy." Me, I admire contentment whenever someone manages it: A rare gift! But I read the converse of the question: "Would you rather be miserable or stupid (*)?" With pride, & a sort of cowardice as besetting sins, of course, one responds, "Better the devil I know..." (*) Of course, one never knows what's meant by "stupid" nowadays. It seems to be used equally for "foolish" or "ignorant" (wh. quite clever people can manage easily-- I should know!) as much as mentally slow. I'm going back to tack "OT" onto the header, because it's taking me too long to get to the point: (OT Thug, what do you think? For future ref....) What do you suppose MILES would choose? Esp. if I specify that stupid is tightly defined = low brainpower (both wisdom and knowledge possible)? A younger Miles (See, "the devil I know") would certainly have chosen misery. But an OLDER Miles, having drunk deeply from the cup of settled happiness AND having nearly cost himself his joy with a too-clever stratagem, might be inclined (tempted?) to choose stupidity. Oh--and Alexandra H.-- Isn't it possible that Aral's attitude toward responsiblity and his "thing" about any prisoners gets a gut-level strength from an old-Vor son spectacularly and bloodily failing his mother? Kirste (long-winded tonight) Edwards ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com --------________--------________-------- From mikebomb at myrealbox.com Mon Nov 4 09:54:14 2002 From: mikebomb at myrealbox.com (Michael Bauminger) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 04:54:14 -0500 Subject: [LMB] OT: Got any time you want to kill? References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021103225150.00bd7a88@mail.so.centurytel.net> Message-ID: <002001c283e8$229003b0$3201a8c0@MBAXIS> On Monday, November 04, 2002 12:52 AM, "House of Unruly Fish" carosue at centurytel.net wrote: > Great way to work off frustrations and practice speed mousing! > > This is a game called the "Realistic Internet Simulator" > > http://www.b3ta.com/realistic-internet-simulator/ > > You'll be humming the song all day, be warned! You are Eeeevvilll !!!! G-d will punish you for disseminating this. Thanks for the belly laugh. --Michael --------________--------________-------- From margali at 99main.com Mon Nov 4 12:08:50 2002 From: margali at 99main.com (Marilyn Traber) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 07:08:50 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Proof that life in the army is no picnic References: <20021104013120.77145.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3DC66352.4010504@99main.com> ;-) I still have a listing of the thread of last year on the Naming of Names, military style - you know, all of the nicknames for the various rates like chairborn, pogue, crunchie, DAT and so on... margali who sent both the skippy site, the collected names and a great joke on military oaths for the officers of the 4 branches of the us military to my luftwaffe buddy. To the general hilarity of his co-workers. Raye Johnsen wrote: > I was searching for something funny to cheer myself up > with and I found this: > > The 213 Things Skippy Is No Longer Allowed To Do In > The U.S. Army: http://www.skippyslist.com/ --------________--------________-------- From Royce_Day at choicehotels.com Mon Nov 4 14:06:15 2002 From: Royce_Day at choicehotels.com (Royce Day) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 09:06:15 -0500 Subject: [LMB] OT: Mad Max References: <17946A2A-ED95-11D6-AEB8-003065E27958@knightech.com.au> Message-ID: <3DC67ED7.D07A609D@choicehotels.com> Jacki Knight wrote: > > > > Do be careful that you get the Region 4 (Australian) DVD for the > original audio track though. > > The Region 1 (USA version) that we watched had been dubbed - all the > voices (except Mel's) are replaced by Americans (and I don't know what > you mean by bad..........) > Are you sure there isn't a new edition out? I was watching it on Bravo this weekend, and it definitely had the original voices. No mistaking Morgan Sheppard's in the scene at the train station. -- -Royce in MD "I know how to be subtle. That's when I use chemical explosives instead of nuclear." -Freefall (10/30/02) --------________--------________-------- From Royce_Day at choicehotels.com Mon Nov 4 14:16:43 2002 From: Royce_Day at choicehotels.com (Royce Day) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 09:16:43 -0500 Subject: [LMB] OT: Testing, testing... References: <51.26bf2eb4.2af4c0a5@aol.com> Message-ID: <3DC6814B.AF4CC7D6@choicehotels.com> WaWenri at aol.com wrote: > Royce Day writes: > > > Anybody out there? > > The last man on Earth sat alone in his room. There was a lock on the door. > If only he hadn't left the key on the other side. -- -Royce in MD "I know how to be subtle. That's when I use chemical explosives instead of nuclear." -Freefall (10/30/02) --------________--------________-------- From castiron at mail.utexas.edu Mon Nov 4 14:35:07 2002 From: castiron at mail.utexas.edu (S. L. Casteel) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:35:07 -0600 Subject: [LMB] RE: Future Book Wishes OT: Message-ID: I'll just take the next of Robin McKinley's Damar books, although if this book generator is stealing from the alternate timelines too, four or five more Jane Austen novels would just about hit the spot.... --slc -- Sharon L. Casteel http://the-casteels.com/~castiron/blog/ --------________--------________-------- From fairestcat at techemail.com Mon Nov 4 15:02:32 2002 From: fairestcat at techemail.com (Cat Meier) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 07:02:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LMB] Poor Simon's Almanack - November 4 Message-ID: <20021104150232.F29FF3D22@sitemail.everyone.net> --- House of Unruly Fish wrote: >This Day In Listory: >2000 - (Digest 3659) Not even going to TRY to summarize this digest. >Go thou, read, and be astounded on your own watch. :) And sure enough, not only is Digest 3659 quite ummm... fascinating to read; it also answers an immortal question from earlier this year. What was James Bryant doing flying across the atlantic with a toilet. T >Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 00:52:38 +0100 From: "James M. BRYANT, G4CLF" Dunno about US low flush toilets, but I do know that the underwater jet (syphon?) which is almost universal in the USA and is, I discover, illegal (G*d only knows why) in England, makes a toilet far more efficient at flushing a floating dead insect. An English loo will NOT flush a dead wasp, despite repeated attempts, unless you first cover it with a shroud of bumph. James - quite prepared to be an outlaw if he could only obtain a US style bog in England - they're a bit heavy to carry back by air I note that James clearly got over this concern! Cat. _____________________________________________________________ Are you a Techie? Get Your Free Tech Email Address Now! Visit http://www.TechEmail.com _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you at yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag --------________--------________-------- From sisc at loc.gov Mon Nov 4 15:04:24 2002 From: sisc at loc.gov (Sirikanya Schaeffer) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:04:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [LMB] OT: Charles Sheffield: Sad news In-Reply-To: <20020717121836.24373.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I am sorry to be the bearer of sad news, but this is posted on: Locus Online, Nov. 2, 2002: Death: SF author Charles Sheffield, born 1935, died this morning of brain cancer. A memorial service will be held Saturday, November 16, at the Collins Funeral Home at 500 University Blvd, West, Silver Spring, MD, at 1:00 p.m. Obituary: (From Washington Post, Nov. 3) posted on his website, under "Biography" : http://www.sff.net/people/sheffield/ Biography Final Installment - Nov 2, 2002 Charles Sheffield, 67, a physicist and science fiction writer who was a recipient of the prestigious Nebula and Hugo awards for his 1993 novelette "Georgia on My Mind," died of brain cancer Nov. 2 at Casey House Hospice in Rockville. Dr. Sheffield, former chief scientist of Earth Satellite Corp., a Bethesda-based raw data analysis company, also won the 1991 Japanese Sei-un Award for science fiction for "The McAndrew Chronicles" and the 1992 John W. Campbell Memorial Award for best science fiction novel for "Brother to Dragons." Martin Morse Wooster, an associate editor of American Enterprise magazine, described Dr. Sheffield as a "subtle and gifted novelist" in a review of science fiction writers published in The Washington Post in 2000. Dr. Sheffield was a prolific writer, with nonfiction books, short stories, collections and anthologies to his credit. He also wrote more than 100 technical papers on astronomy, large-scale computer systems, image processing, space travel, earth resources, gravitational field analysis, nuclear physics and general relativity. His popular nonfiction books include "Earthwatch," a compilation of digitally enhanced images of Earth from observation satellites, and its sequel, "Man on Earth," both of which were published in several languages. He co-authored "Space Careers" and published "Borderlands of Science," which was based on his weekly science column of the same name, distributed by Paradigm TSA. According to autobiographical sketches posted on his Web site, he began to explore creative writing at age 40 after discovering a dearth of well-written, scientifically accurate science fiction novels. Writing also proved a therapeutic distraction as his first wife battled colon cancer. His early manuscripts of 10,000 words or less generated a stack of rejection slips from publishers until 1977, when "What Song the Sirens Sang" was published in Galaxy magazine. As a scientist, he was an adviser to the congressional Office of Technology Assessment and principal investigator and consultant for the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, for which he analyzed the moon's gravitational field on the motion of a spacecraft in the 1960s. He then served as chief scientist and board member of Earth Satellite Corp. before he turned to writing full time in the late 1980s. He reviewed science books and novels for New Scientist, the World & I and The Washington Post. He attended science fiction conventions, where he was known as an erudite, witty speaker who provided encouraging words to new writers. Dr. Sheffield, a Silver Spring resident, was born in England and graduated from Cambridge University's St. John's College with double first-class honors in mathematics and physics. He received a doctorate in theoretical physics from American University in Washington. He was past president of Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America as well as the American Astronomical Society. He was a fellow of both the American Association for the Advancement of Science and the British Interplanetary Society. His first wife, Sarah Sanderson, died in 1977. His second marriage, to Linda Zall, ended in divorce. Survivors include his wife of five years, science fiction author Nancy Kress of Silver Spring; two children from his first marriage, Ann Sheffield of Cochranton, Pa., and Charles Christopher "Kit" Sheffield of Vienna; two children from his second marriage, Elizabeth Rose Sheffield and Victoria Jane Sheffield, both of Silver Spring; his mother, Emma Sheffield of England; and a sister, Ann G. Hunt of England. From The Washington Post =================================================================== Thank you all for sending Charles prayers and vibes. From the above article you can see that he had acheived greatness in various fields. In addition to that, He was very kind and encouraging to new authors. He was my mentor and friend. I think Charles was one of the nicest and kindest persons whom I have ever known. I deeply mourn his passing. I will conduct a Buddhist "merit making ceremony" for him when I visit Thailand, my original home, in November. The day of his memorial, Nov. 16th, I will already be in Bangkok. Tiara ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Sisc at loc.gov Tiara ------------------------------------------------------------------ --------________--------________-------- From carosue at centurytel.net Mon Nov 4 15:17:45 2002 From: carosue at centurytel.net (House of Unruly Fish) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 08:17:45 -0700 Subject: [LMB] Poor Simon's Almanack - November 4 In-Reply-To: <20021104150232.F29FF3D22@sitemail.everyone.net> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20021104081237.00bc7008@mail.so.centurytel.net> Hi Cat, and all! At 07:02 AM 11/4/2002 -0800, you wrote: >--- House of Unruly Fish wrote: > >This Day In Listory: > >2000 - (Digest 3659) Not even going to TRY to summarize this > digest. >Go thou, read, and be astounded on your own watch. :) > >And sure enough, not only is Digest 3659 quite ummm... fascinating to >read; it also answers an immortal question from earlier this year. What >was James Bryant doing flying across the atlantic with a toilet. Thanks for the follow up! I DID think about mentioning that, but couldn't pare it down to a line or two. Condensing a dozen digests down to about a screen's worth of pixels often means leaving out Good but Complicated Stuff. But I for one think it's great when a listee such as yourself follows up and expands a topic! I mean, we have SUCH a rich mine of list history! Why not exploit our natural resources? Susan the Neon Nurse ++++++++++++++++++++++carosue at centurytel.net+++++++++++++++++++++ --------________--------________-------- From carosue at centurytel.net Mon Nov 4 15:31:09 2002 From: carosue at centurytel.net (House of Unruly Fish) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 08:31:09 -0700 Subject: [LMB] Poor Simon's Almanack - November 3 In-Reply-To: <011f01c2838a$f61a27f0$63b1cacf@meg> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021103005144.00b8ebb0@mail.so.centurytel.net> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20021104082802.00b9fb68@mail.so.centurytel.net> Hi Meg! At 02:37 PM 11/3/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Susan, the neon nurse sounding like a Northwesterner: > > Additions, corrections or a memory refreshment about that bright hot thing > > that used to appear in the sky daily may be sent to carosue at centurytel.net > >It's here in Washington State. Somehow the darned thing took a left when it >should have taken a right, and we haven't had any rain for *weeks.* Heh, try going without for nearly a whole year! I didn't even think about cutting our yard until mid-August this year. But now that it is COLD we got like a week and a half of the cold gray nasties, with the capper being an ice storm on Halloween. >P.S. Did I mention how much I appreciate your doing Poor Simon's? Your >asides are almost as good as Miles's. Low-flow toilets, indeed. Forensic >plumbing? It's a continual source of amazing entertainment and mind boggles. Can't get too much of that! So I am amply rewarded. But thanks for the appreciation! Susan the Neon Nurse ++++++++++++++++++++++carosue at centurytel.net+++++++++++++++++++++ --------________--------________-------- From kat.morrison at juno.com Mon Nov 4 15:33:11 2002 From: kat.morrison at juno.com (kat.morrison at juno.com) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:33:11 -0500 Subject: [LMB] OT: instructions... Message-ID: <20021104.103312.760.1.kat.morrison@juno.com> ACTUAL INSTRUCTIONS TO THE ORCHESTRA FROM PROFESSIONAL CONDUCTORS (IN REHEARSAL) Please don't use the depth-charge pizzicato. Pianissimo doesn't mean drop the f*** out. Listen to the tune, and then accompany it in a non-disgraceful fashion. Let's see if you can pizzicato together in a non-banjo-like way. It's very hard to raise money for something that sounds like this does. Imagine you're getting enough money for what you do. Not so bright. It sounds like "Orpheus in His Underwear." Play short, especially if you don't know where you are. That was a drive-by viola solo. Horns, imagine that you've had a really ugly breakfast and it's about to come up. There is a lot of fishing for notes. I wish you would catch them. Strings, I know what you're thinking: "With all this racket going on, why am I playing?" Well, there's no time for existential questions right now. This must be much more agitated. Think of someone you hate. Think of your mother-in-law. The place where you will be shot if you come in early is the bar before 26. Let us start from letter A - er, is that the first letter? Let us go from bar eleven - counting from the start that's 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11. It looks as if I am slowing down - that's a mistake! Hopefully, when I stop you will stop! I will wave my stick around, see if you can work out what I mean. Sorry about that, it is the jet lag. Sorry about that, it is the jet lag again. The crescendo has got to go down quicker. Sorry, am I confusing my houses and triangles? (Editor's Note: British orchestral slang for putting a square and a triangle over a bar with five beats, to denote that the conductor will give two beats - one long and one short, is 'houses and triangles'). Violins, the C sounds a bit rough - are some of you playing it on open strings? And there is the legendary comment by an internationally known conductor who worked in Manchester for many years, when he was trying to beat his way through a tricky new piece and someone queried a note - "how do you expect me to rehearse and conduct at the same time?" Or another of his masterpieces - "horns, this is very exposed and tricky but I do not want you getting a thing about it!" Now forget all the nasty things I said and play naturally. You're all wondering what speed it's going to go. Well, so am I. Play as if you were musicians. --------________--------________-------- From zafaran at sff.net Mon Nov 4 15:43:38 2002 From: zafaran at sff.net (Patricia A. Swan) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 10:43:38 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Getting started with Heyer In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20021104185751.00b6ac88@mail.gothic.net.au> References: <3DC5182F.80842DE9@erols.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20021104103900.02ec4c10@pop3.sff.net> At 06:58 PM 11/4/2002 +1100, I wrote: >At 11:35 PM 3/11/2002, Alexandra Haropulos wrote: > > >While Duct Tape is widely bruted as the solution to most engineering > >problems, I never thought of it before as a solution to aesthetic > ones. > >There are "singers" to whom it is the only solution... > >Iestyn I must be slow this morning, but this went sailing right past me. Huh? I know some folks use it to "fix" their cleavage in strapless dresses. There was an infamous picture on a snarky-humour web site that showed a woman who had had her dress slip when she raised her arms to put them around some friends for the photograph and about an inch of the tape was showing. Pat in North Carolina --------________--------________-------- From MarkDEddy at aol.com Mon Nov 4 16:07:08 2002 From: MarkDEddy at aol.com (MarkDEddy at aol.com) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:07:08 EST Subject: [LMB] Delayed Note for _Curse of Chalion_ (Chapter 28) Message-ID: <15c.16694682.2af7f52c@aol.com> In a message dated 11/3/02 12:14:20 PM, robertaw at drizzle.com writes: >But it doesn't explain why LMB called the trickster/old jobs god the >Bastard. That is my question. Well, you've got a family of gods: the Mother, the Father, the Son, and the Daughter. Who do you use as a fifth god? the Baby (not to mention Spot and Fluffy)? Mark (See the Son run. Run, Son, run.) --------________--------________-------- From lorrainenfletez at hotmail.com Mon Nov 4 16:37:00 2002 From: lorrainenfletez at hotmail.com (lorraine fletez-brant) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 09:37:00 -0700 Subject: [LMB] OT: Charles Sheffield: Sad news Message-ID: Sirikanya Schaeffer wrote: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:04:24 -0500 (EST) >I am sorry to be the bearer of sad news, but this is posted on: >Locus Online, Nov. 2, 2002: >Death: >SF author Charles Sheffield, born 1935, died this morning of brain >cancer. >A memorial service will be held Saturday, November 16, at the Collins >Funeral Home at 500 University Blvd, West, Silver Spring, MD, at 1:00 >p.m. Hi, Tiara and all, Well, this is really and truly sad news. Scott Raun also posted it yesterday, and I was too stunned to even reply. I knew from you that it was bad, but it surely went very fast, didn't it? I really hope that his pain was under control. Thanks for posting an address to send cards. He was a wonderful and responsive author. It's awful to contemplate that his universes are now closed. I'm sorry for your sadness, also, Tiara. I know he was your mentor; I'm sure he'll be proud of your work in the future. (yes, my personal belief is that we retain self-awareness after death. It's one of those things, however, that I have to experience to prove it...). Lorraine _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp --------________--------________-------- From iosef at gothic.net.au Mon Nov 4 17:03:10 2002 From: iosef at gothic.net.au (I) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 04:03:10 +1100 Subject: [LMB] Getting started with Heyer In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021104103900.02ec4c10@pop3.sff.net> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20021104185751.00b6ac88@mail.gothic.net.au> <3DC5182F.80842DE9@erols.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021105040054.00b89978@mail.gothic.net.au> At 02:43 AM 5/11/2002, Patricia A. Swan wrote: >At 06:58 PM 11/4/2002 +1100, I wrote: > > >I must be slow this morning, but this went sailing right past me. Huh? > >I know some folks use it to "fix" their cleavage in strapless dresses. >There was an infamous picture on a snarky-humour web site that showed a >woman who had had her dress slip when she raised her arms to put them >around some friends for the photograph and about an inch of the tape >was showing. The question was about duct tape for aesthetic solutions.....for some singers apply two strips of duct tape to mouth.... Iestyn --------________--------________-------- From KBooklover at email.com Mon Nov 4 18:23:38 2002 From: KBooklover at email.com (Kay Bishop) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 13:23:38 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Corporal Klinger, Auditor Mark In-Reply-To: <004001c27bc8$45d27010$ac57d63f@LAPTOP> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20021024163539.00b4dea0@mail.gothic.net.au> <5.0.2.1.0.20021024151357.00a58a90@mail.iqcisp.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021104072413.0276cb18@pop2.mail.com> ITEM 1: Paula, I _love_ this. Thank you so much for the image. I'll carry it in my head to make me smile all day. At 10/24/2002 09:45 PM -0400, Paula L wrote: >"Corporal Klinger of the Imperial Barrayaran Guard, in his equisite >ermine-trimmed, sequinned gown, high heels, and chapeau, with matching >sequinned machine gun and sword." ITEM 2: At 11/3/2002 03:42 PM -0500, Paula Lieberman wrote of Mark: >-- he might also enjoy the challenge of increaseing the Imperial Privy >Purpose's net worth, and make Gorge happy by accumulating wealth for >Cousin Gregor and making trouble for other bureaucrats dealing with an >agency -making- money that's supposed to lose it.... Our Mark? Enjoy making trouble? Why Paula, how can you imply such a thing? Kay (obviously _way_ behind) --------________--------________-------- From KBooklover at email.com Mon Nov 4 18:52:27 2002 From: KBooklover at email.com (Kay Bishop) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 13:52:27 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Trailer Trash Haut Lady In-Reply-To: <3988F086-EA56-11D6-BD72-0003931203CC@mail.utexas.edu> References: <3DBCB614.4050203@lvhot.org> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021104103326.0279a2a8@pop2.mail.com> My belated contributions: Re: HOUSING >On Sunday, October 27, 2002, at 09:59 PM, Robert Parks wrote: >>There is always the Bad Trailer Trash Haut Lady in a Bubble that has >>a fried opaque circuit... Not me, thank you very much. and at 10/28/2002 03:18 AM -0600, Andrew Lambdin-Abraham replied: >No, no, no! Bad Trailer Trash Haut Lady has her bubble up on blocks >in front of the single-wide palace. and I remind: Don't forget the colyums out front! Nice tall Tara-style colyums are mandatory for true single-wide Haut Trash elegance. (I can send pictures from NC, if necessary ) Re: TTHL HERSELF At 10/28/2002 09:05 PM -0800, Robert Parks wrote: >No way, NO WAY you're gonna get me to do TTHL alone! Besides I think >there are other people on the list more suited for the drama >possibilities... Bubba the Ba who does the technical stuff, now that >I might do. Lessee. Who do we want to do TTHL? Well, for starters, I think it needs to be someone ... err... substantial. Well fed. Possibly even portly. Pleasingly _extremely_ plump. I *do* live in the South, you know. I've *seen* TT. Kay (who tries hard not to *be* TT!) --------________--------________-------- From KBooklover at email.com Mon Nov 4 17:02:24 2002 From: KBooklover at email.com (Kay Bishop) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 12:02:24 -0500 Subject: [LMB] A maillist is like ... In-Reply-To: <1035965010.c2748320tygerbryght@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021104115153.027ad090@pop2.mail.com> At 10/30/2002 02:03 AM -0600, Paula S. Sanch wrote: >A maillist is like a party. > >The better-than parts: >You don't have to travel to it. >You don't have to get dressed up. (You can >be in your grubbies, or your jammies, or your >skin.) >You don't have to clean house. >You don't have to cook. >You don't have to psych yourself up (a very >important feature, for most introverts - of >course, there are some, like me, who get >worn out by interacting, even online, and >have to GAFIAte periodically). >You can follow every conversation that happens >at the party, except the ones where two people >go outside (take it offlist). >You can take the time to think up a REALLY >good answer. > >The worse-than parts: >You can't see people's faces and bodies, >to get clues to what they mean. (Sometimes >this is a good thing; more often, it's not.) >Things meant as jokes can be taken seriously. >You can't get credit for lightning wit, when >you DO come up with a great response instantly. >You can't see when someone's giving off >pheromones, or when someone else is smitten >(with or without benefit of said pheromones). > >Any more? ;) Hugs fit both categories: I can get more, more quickly, online and I *do* enjoy and appreciate them -- but corporeal ones are significantly more comforting/fun (depending on the occasion). --------________--------________-------- From dan at danrhea.com Mon Nov 4 19:01:34 2002 From: dan at danrhea.com (Dan Rhea) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:01:34 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Getting started with Heyer References: <5.1.1.6.0.20021104185751.00b6ac88@mail.gothic.net.au> <3DC5182F.80842DE9@erols.com> <5.1.1.6.0.20021105040054.00b89978@mail.gothic.net.au> Message-ID: <00f401c28434$9835e570$6601a8c0@rheanet> ----- Original Message ----- From: "I" Subject: Re: [LMB] Getting started with Heyer > At 02:43 AM 5/11/2002, Patricia A. Swan wrote: > >At 06:58 PM 11/4/2002 +1100, I wrote: > The question was about duct tape for aesthetic solutions.....for some > singers apply two strips of duct tape to mouth.... > This should also be applied to most politicians, Unless they are opening their mouth to exchange feet. :-) > Iestyn Dan Rhea "Loyalty is for family, friends and country, not operating systems, compilers and computers" - Dan Rhea, 1986 --------________--------________-------- From marna at redmaplegrove.org Mon Nov 4 19:23:16 2002 From: marna at redmaplegrove.org (Marna Nightingale) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 14:23:16 -0500 Subject: [LMB] OT: Woodstoves References: <5.1.1.6.0.20021104185751.00b6ac88@mail.gothic.net.au> <3DC5182F.80842DE9@erols.com> <5.1.1.6.0.20021105040054.00b89978@mail.gothic.net.au> <00f401c28434$9835e570$6601a8c0@rheanet> Message-ID: <3DC6C914.12E947@redmaplegrove.org> Has anyone used one as a main heat source? Has anyone had any experience with the Waterford stoves, especially the Stanley cookstove? Marna. --------________--------________-------- From zafaran at sff.net Mon Nov 4 19:28:53 2002 From: zafaran at sff.net (Patricia A. Swan) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 14:28:53 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Getting started with Heyer In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20021105040054.00b89978@mail.gothic.net.au> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021104103900.02ec4c10@pop3.sff.net> <5.1.1.6.0.20021104185751.00b6ac88@mail.gothic.net.au> <3DC5182F.80842DE9@erols.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20021104142831.00ab7b78@pop3.sff.net> At 04:03 AM 11/5/2002 +1100, I wrote: >The question was about duct tape for aesthetic solutions.....for some >singers apply two strips of duct tape to mouth.... > >Iestyn Oh! Okay. Pat in North Carolina --------________--------________-------- From bo at dendarii.com Mon Nov 4 20:35:17 2002 From: bo at dendarii.com (Bo Johansson) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 21:35:17 +0100 Subject: [LMB] OT: Woodstoves References: <5.1.1.6.0.20021104185751.00b6ac88@mail.gothic.net.au> <3DC5182F.80842DE9@erols.com> <5.1.1.6.0.20021105040054.00b89978@mail.gothic.net.au> <00f401c28434$9835e570$6601a8c0@rheanet> <3DC6C914.12E947@redmaplegrove.org> Message-ID: <01c201c28441$afbc7760$e88970d5@bredbandsbolaget.se> On Nov 04, 2002 "Marna Nightingale" wrote: > > Has anyone used one as a main heat source? > > Has anyone had any experience with the Waterford > stoves, especially the Stanley cookstove? My brother's house has a small "half-size" woodstove as its only heat-source. It can give about 5 kW, and the Waterford Stanley cookstove can give 32,000 BTU/h which is 9.4 kW. He tried a full-size woodstove first, but that was too hot for his house. This small woodstove is enough to keep his house comfortable if he refills it with firewood 2 or 3 times a day. When going away he uses a small electric heat fan to protect the house from freezing. But my brother's house is very small and very well isolated, and I believe winters on the Swedish west- coast are milder than in Canada. // Bo Johansson --------________--------________-------- From robert at warnickelittler.com Mon Nov 4 20:26:38 2002 From: robert at warnickelittler.com (Robert Warnicke) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:26:38 -0700 Subject: [LMB] OT: Charles Sheffield: Sad news References: <200211041931.TAA01225@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <000e01c28440$7b09ac00$6d01a8c0@phnx1.az.home.com> Tiara wrote: > I am sorry to be the bearer of sad news, but this is posted on: Thank you for letting us know. It is sad news. His works will continue to be appreciated. ----------------- Robert Warnicke --------________--------________-------- From rterry at tagglobal.com Mon Nov 4 20:40:54 2002 From: rterry at tagglobal.com (Rebecca J. Terry) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:40:54 -0900 Subject: [LMB] OT: Woodstoves Message-ID: <531F912E5068BC44A55E43E4072BECF60E877F@tag_w2k.tagglobal.co m> Aye yes... for many a year. A real small one, eventually had to move it to the basement area. (It did it's job too well.) It would keep the house warm (read hot sometimes) pretty much all day/night long. We added fans to help move the air around. Later we replaced it with an oil stove, and then when gas came through replaced the oil with a Renai Gas heater. Very Nice, and no longer required to chop wood. Which was the reason we converted. Mum got to old to go chop, stack, etc... wood. Things it didn't do... Keep heat evenly... Warm up bathrooms nicely. For that we had to have electric heat. And yeah we had to chop wood. No experience with Waterford or Cookstove, although my both my Aunt & Cousin had woodstove cookstoves. Used them a lot. Especially handy during Thanksgiving feasts & other family get togethers. Great for keeping food warm and extra warming ovens didn't hurt. Takes some getting used to, if I recall... I did spend a summer there learning to cook on one... sorta... Rebecca J Terry.... On Behalf Of Marna Nightingale Subject: [LMB] OT: Woodstoves Has anyone used one as a main heat source? Has anyone had any experience with the Waterford stoves, especially the Stanley cookstove? Marna. -- Lois-Bujold mailing list Lois-Bujold at lists.herald.co.uk http://lists.herald.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/lois-bujold --------________--------________-------- From israfel at eircom.net Mon Nov 4 20:39:43 2002 From: israfel at eircom.net (Dorian E. Gray) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 20:39:43 -0000 Subject: [LMB] Assorted Off-Topic and Out of Date Ramblings (LONG) (OT:) References: <5.1.1.6.0.20021103230903.00ba71e0@mail.gothic.net.au> <5.1.1.6.0.20021104190115.00bad4b0@mail.gothic.net.au> Message-ID: <017201c28442$4f155020$f41cfea9@taliesin> Iestyn explained... > My fault, I should have been clearer: the drape over the shoulder allows > a"Claid Mhor" (spelling?) to sit comfortably on the shoulder. > Think two hander, rather than later basket hilt. Ah, right. It's spelled "claimh mor" (with an accent on the O) in Irish; I don't speak Scots Gaelic. What the English-speaking world knows as a claymore, anyway. There used to be one, taller than I am, hanging on the back wall of the tattoo studio where I got two of my tattoos. The owner eventually removed it, on the grounds that his sillier clients kept trying to steal it (!). But it's immortalised on my right arm. Until the sky falls on our heads... Dorian. -- Dorian E. Gray israfel at eircom.net "I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible you may be mistaken." - O. Cromwell --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 31/10/02 --------________--------________-------- From marna at redmaplegrove.org Mon Nov 4 20:59:08 2002 From: marna at redmaplegrove.org (Marna Nightingale) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 15:59:08 -0500 Subject: [LMB] OT: Woodstoves References: <5.1.1.6.0.20021104185751.00b6ac88@mail.gothic.net.au> <3DC5182F.80842DE9@erols.com> <5.1.1.6.0.20021105040054.00b89978@mail.gothic.net.au> <00f401c28434$9835e570$6601a8c0@rheanet> <3DC6C914.12E947@redmaplegrove.org> <01c201c28441$afbc7760$e88970d5@bredbandsbolaget.se> Message-ID: <3DC6DFA0.7A195EE5@redmaplegrove.org> Bo Johansson wrote: > My brother's house has a small "half-size" woodstove > as its only heat-source. It can give about 5 kW, and > the Waterford Stanley cookstove can give 32,000 BTU/h > which is 9.4 kW. He tried a full-size woodstove first, > but that was too hot for his house. Ah, you found the website! Aren't they PRETTY? We though we'd like a Leprechaun http://www.waterfordstoves.com/pages/leprechaun.shtml to start, and a Stanley http://www.waterfordstoves.com/pages/stanley.shtml Eventually for the downstairs kitchen. But in fact, the Stanley gives the LOWEST BTU of any Waterford, presumably because of the cookstove configuration. Aside from finding woodheat pleasant, the ice storm taught us the value, in Ottawa where you cannot possibly keep yourself warm in the winter without artificial heat in the house, of preserving at least some independence from the power grid. And while only the Stanley is a cookstove, ALL of the Waterfords at least have cookplates. Stew, anyone? These are pretty, too: http://www.enterprise-fawcett.com/queen_cook.html (totally impractical, but then there are these:) http://www.majesticproducts.com/product_frm.html Marna. --------________--------________-------- From marna at redmaplegrove.org Mon Nov 4 21:01:09 2002 From: marna at redmaplegrove.org (Marna Nightingale) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 16:01:09 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Assorted Off-Topic and Out of Date Ramblings (LONG)(OT:) References: <5.1.1.6.0.20021103230903.00ba71e0@mail.gothic.net.au> <5.1.1.6.0.20021104190115.00bad4b0@mail.gothic.net.au> <017201c28442$4f155020$f41cfea9@taliesin> Message-ID: <3DC6E01A.B10C5073@redmaplegrove.org> "Dorian E. Gray" wrote: > his sillier clients kept trying to steal it (!). The term around here for the sort of person who tries to steal a person's claymore is "more b*lls than brains". Usually with the caveat that they might still have rather small ones. ;-) Marna. --------________--------________-------- From zafaran at sff.net Mon Nov 4 21:14:56 2002 From: zafaran at sff.net (Patricia A. Swan) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 16:14:56 -0500 Subject: [LMB] OT: Woodstoves In-Reply-To: <3DC6C914.12E947@redmaplegrove.org> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20021104185751.00b6ac88@mail.gothic.net.au> <3DC5182F.80842DE9@erols.com> <5.1.1.6.0.20021105040054.00b89978@mail.gothic.net.au> <00f401c28434$9835e570$6601a8c0@rheanet> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20021104144153.02a05008@pop3.sff.net> At 02:23 PM 11/4/2002 -0500, Marna Nightingale wrote: >Has anyone used one as a main heat source? > >Has anyone had any experience with the Waterford stoves, especially >the Stanley cookstove? > >Marna. Yes. We heated with nothing but wood for years and years and years. [1] It's not actually that hard, it's just really picky in a few areas. First thing to do is get a qualified chimney sweep in and get your chimney and stove cleaned and inspected. You do not want to burn down your pretty new house because the chimney and flue are damaged. And you want to find this out *before* closing, too, if at all possible. Second, figure out if you have wood-only grates in the fire box or wood/coal grates. This can made a *major* difference in how many BTUs the stove can produce per hour. According to lehmans.com, your firebox is: 16"D x 13"H x 9 1/2"W Third, this means you need your wood cut about 14 to 15 inches long. 14 would be better since you have room to adjust the fire without getting the wood wedged in a position you have to let it burn out of. If you have coal grates you still have to start a coal fire with wood to get the coal hot enough that it will ignite. You will also need someplace to split larger pieces down to size since the big diameter chunks of wood that a lot of wood dealers provide won't work in a cookstove firebox. You get too big a piece of wood in there and you wind up with a log that's charred a bit around the edges and no fire. Smaller pieces are *much* better since they have air room around them so that they can burn completely. Fourth, types of fuel. If you have the wood/coal grates and you can get it, anthracite coal will give you the most bang for the buck in heating. You'll want it in the size range of walnut up to small fist size so that you can get a good deep bed of coal burning for sustained heat output. Soft coal (bitumatous (sp)) still puts out a goodly amount of heat, but it also produces more gunk in the air and chimney, and is smokier when you are trying to get it up to the temperature required for a self-sustaining burn. If you go with wood or a mix of coal or wood depending on the weather, you need the bulk of your wood in well-aged, dry hardwoods like oak which are the higher BTU woods. You will need some softer woods like pine for your initial burn in order to get the oak to burn--it's a progression: paper, progressively larger kindling, small pieces of pine, and work up from that point to oak or coal. If you do it right very dry pine *can* do a hot enough burn to ignite coal so you don't have to have an intermediate stage of oak to have it hot enough to get the coal going. Five, be aware that you have to shake down the grates and empty the ashpan at least once a day. First thing in the morning is usually the best time since the fire is lower then than any other time of the day, and depending on how well the stove holds hot coals overnight, it may be out completely. The ashes will still be hot, particularly if you are burning a lot of fuel and you have to shakedown the grate and empty the ashpan during the day. You must have a *metal* bucket, pail, etc. to put the ashes in. Six, depending on how the stove is setup, you will be handling up to three dampers. One controls the air into the firebox, one controls the airflow around the oven, and, I don't know if this is standard in other folks setups for a cookstove, but we also had a damper in the flue. This can be where things can get *really* picky. Take it from me, you get things dreadfully overheated with the firebox damper open and the flue damper pretty well closed--the side of my stove got marked in magic marker for which way is open and closed for the internal dampers after that afternoon. To start a fire in a cookstove, *close* the oven damper so that's out of the air pattern. Open the firebox damper all the way, if there is a flue damper open it all the way as well. Make sure you have shaken down the grates before you start the fire. Make your starter pile of paper and kindling, and a few small pieces of wood and light it. close all your doors and lids and give it a minute or so to catch. Not overloading the firebox allows you to work on it some if you need to without having to try and get more paper and kindling under the top pieces if it doesn't catch right. Once it's caught, start feeding it sticks of wood, and gradually start adding slightly larger pieces and give them a chance to catch. Once it's going well, you can start adding coal or oak to get the burn going that will be producing the bulk of the heat for the day. At this point you can open the oven damper if you will be planning on baking or you need the entire surface of the stove hot for cooking. With the oven damper closed you will have a nice hot surface right over the firebox, and then it will be progressively cooler as you move to the right of the surface which is good for things that need a slow simmer, or for a pan or kettle of water to keep moisture in the air. If you don't have the flue damper, all control of the fire will be with the firebox damper. Once the fire is going well, start working it closed so that your fire will slow down and not burn your fuel off so fast. Once the firebox draft is closed to the degree you want, you can start closing the flue damper if you have one. If you back it down too far, you'll get smoke back through the stove cracks and you'll know to open it back up slightly. If the previous owner of the house doesn't have an owners manual for the Stanley, and you can't find one locally, Lehmans.com carries it for sale separately from the stove. Hope this helps, Pat in North Carolina <--where's its overcast and chilly this afternoon [1] I need to get back to doing so because the last of the fuel oil that the listsibs helped me get last year isn't going to last forever since it's getting cold down here and I've had to turn the heat on. The house is set fairly cool and I only turn it up when I've gotten chilled or have to take a bath or wash my hair. I like it a *lot* warmer than I have it set and I've already commented that I have to move the shelves in the kitchen to get the cookstove accessible cause I miss the *wonderful* radiant heat a wood/coal stove puts out. I've got the combination grates that work for either fuel, and the coal bunker is still half full of the last load of coal we got for the old coal-fired furnace. I will have to have it inspected and cleaned because it hasn't been used since about 1989. I'd actually prefer to sell the thing and switch to the old woodstove that we heated the apartment with for about 15 years. It's in storage in my basement beside the coal bunker, but I'd want to modify it first to add a firebrick lining and seal some of the seams with refractory cement--it's always been a bit leaky around the edges, and where it wasn't lined you had to keep a pretty thick base of ash in it to prevent burning out the bottom of the stove.. >-- >Lois-Bujold mailing list >Lois-Bujold at lists.herald.co.uk >http://lists.herald.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/lois-bujold > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 10/15/2002 --------________--------________-------- From sraun at fireopal.org Mon Nov 4 21:38:04 2002 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:38:04 -0600 Subject: [LMB] OT:? Pat Wrede Reading Message-ID: <20021104213804.GA24694@fireopal.org> It's not exactly ON topic - but I'm not certain it qualifies as off-topic either... Tues, Nov 19, 6:30-8PM. The Speculations Readings Series. Featured Reader: Patricia C. Wrede. DreamHaven, 912 W. Lake St, Mpls. FFI: 612-823-6161 -- Scott Raun sraun at fireopal.org --------________--------________-------- From bo at dendarii.com Mon Nov 4 21:48:40 2002 From: bo at dendarii.com (Bo Johansson) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 22:48:40 +0100 Subject: [LMB] OT: Woodstoves References: <5.1.1.6.0.20021104185751.00b6ac88@mail.gothic.net.au> <3DC5182F.80842DE9@erols.com> <5.1.1.6.0.20021105040054.00b89978@mail.gothic.net.au> <00f401c28434$9835e570$6601a8c0@rheanet> <3DC6C914.12E947@redmaplegrove.org> <01c201c28441$afbc7760$e88970d5@bredbandsbolaget.se> Message-ID: <002501c2844b$f017cb20$e88970d5@bredbandsbolaget.se> I wrote: > > My brother's house has a small "half-size" woodstove > as its only heat-source. ---SNIP--- > > But my brother's house is very small and very well > isolated ---SNIP--- His house is very well insulated, not isolated! // Bo Johansson --------________--------________-------- From Tom_Vinson at mpsisys.com Mon Nov 4 21:59:19 2002 From: Tom_Vinson at mpsisys.com (Tom Vinson) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:59:19 -0600 Subject: [LMB] OT: Baby names from heck Message-ID: Playing list catchup again, I just couldn't resist this thread. Back when I was a caseworker in another state one of the men at the housing project where I worked was named Repete. And yes, his twin brother was named Pete. Tom --------________--------________-------- From jparish at siue.edu Mon Nov 4 22:45:23 2002 From: jparish at siue.edu (Jim Parish) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 16:45:23 -0600 Subject: [LMB] OT: Baby names from heck In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.1.20021104164400.00b2bb18@pop.siue.edu> Tom Vinson wrote: >Back when I was a caseworker in another state one of the men at >the housing project where I worked was named Repete. And yes, >his twin brother was named Pete. When Pete Wilson was running for re-election as mayor of San Diego (ca. 1973?), his campaign slogan was just that: "Re-Pete". Jim Parish --------________--------________-------- From adamek at mac.com Mon Nov 4 22:52:37 2002 From: adamek at mac.com (Adam Ek) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:52:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LMB] TorCon Message-ID: <104634.1036450357288.JavaMail.adamek@mac.com> >> So noted, you can join Nora at the Pity Party: >> http://bujold-list.info/worldcon/index.html Fence sitting. I'd really like to go, but I'm trying to see how to fit it in the finances. Adam Ek adamek at mac.com --------________--------________-------- From tinne at eskimo.com Mon Nov 4 23:10:51 2002 From: tinne at eskimo.com (Susan Profit) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:10:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LMB] OT: Nagy Maarton In-Reply-To: <200211040204.CAA28875@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: > From: "Nicholas Rosen" > Subject: [LMB] Count in Seredy books? OT: > > During the discussion of _The Good Master_ and > _The Singing Tree_, Profitne referred to the father > as a Count, and justified that assumption based on > his evident status as a large rancher, and his prominence > in the community, as well as her familiarity with > Hungarian culture. I was also taken down a peg off the list by a friend who pointed out that I was right about him being noble, but a minor country baronet, not a count. He was based in large part on Kate Seredy's own father and uncles and grandfather, the grandfather was a minor country baronet, one of his son's, but my informant was not sure if it was her father or not was his heir. Her father was professional. First clue is his name, Nagy. It has a lot of meanings, but most of them have to do with an expansion/amplification of the basic word. Thus mother (anya) becomes grandmother by the addition of Nagy at the front. Great Britain is called Nagy-Britannia or Nagyes E'szak-i'rorszag Egyesu:lt Kiralysa'ga (United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.) A great man, which has many more shades of meaning than just being famous, is called Nagy hi'ru:, and a high voltage wire is called nagyfeszu:ltseg. He is a better man than his fellows in both his breeding and his behavior, there is a good reason why he is given this name - politically it separated him from any living or dead noble and puts him firmly in the realm of fictional character. > Against that, one may set that people outside his > family address him as Mr. Nagy, not as Count Nagy Not as important a distinction as you think. I address my older relatives as ma'am, sir, Mister or Mrs. in English. This includes my parents and older cousins. On the other hand, explaining how the nobility, was dealt with would take a lot more time than the list wants me to go into. Bottom line is that it is at heart a civilized version of a tribal society and some of where things get strained in translation are just those old tribalisms that don't have an equivalent in the other society they are being contrasted with. Suffice it to say, if the noble was one who didn't have a lot of money and was a farmer who I met every day in the course of my business, he would be titled Mr. Nagy instead of Baronet or Your worship or anything more formal. This is a fundamental aspect of the relationship that outsiders with a much more stratified nobility just don't understand. My local noble is considered like a distant cousin (except that no one is noble with titles and lands anymore) rather than a boss six levels up the corporate chain of command. Then there is the fact that if I am gentry by virtue of my relations several generations back (don't ask, another difference that gets confusing - gentry is forever down the bloodline, not just a generation or two) it would not be something anyone would be aware of by a title or by my name alone. It would be deduced by such things as my manners and dress and even the language I use. Nagyne (his wife) is presented as gentry. Wild Katka is too although she is the despair of everyone yet. It is from the language and manners I deduced he was noble, not gentry, and certainly not a simple peasant farmer or a professional or tradesperson. Moreover, the more rural nobles, minor or otherwise who did not spend a lot of time in either Budapest or Vienna seldom took on the more formal forms of address among their own people anyway. So while he might expect more formality of address from someone from outside of his region, it would be considered a way of insulting him to use a more formal title if the person doing the addressing was a neighbor he'd jostled arms with at the local tavern. (Notice also that his hired hands treat him far more formally than his neighbors even though they have been with him for years.) > Also, when he is called up for > military service, it is as an enlisted man, a corporal > IIRC. Would a nobleman in the Austro-Hungarian > Empire plausibly have been an enlisted man, or would > he have been an officer? If he didn't speak fluent college educated level German, yes. You could only be an officer by that time in the Empire if you were fluent in German, the language of command. He also was obviously not so wealthy or so well connected (or else his brother wouldn't have fallen afoul of the politics) that in earlier times when you -could- be an officer if your German was a bit dicey, he would have been able to have bought or brived a commission. > On the other hand, would a big farmer and rancher > have been an untitled gentleman, or would he almost > surely have been a Count, or something? > I don't know the answers. Does anyone? > Regards, > Nicholas Rosen If he didn't have any money, certainly. It was considered to be no shame to be a poor farmer or professional (lawyer, doctor, college professor, etc) and also be noble. As long as you still spoke well, behaved well and were an example of a leader. How this has to do with Barrayar? Grin. There are the High Vor and then there are the Vor and then there is the Professora and 'Tien. Professor and Professorra and Ekaterin and Mark are clearly presented as gentry. 'Tien didn't make the grade even though he was closer to a title than Ekaterin. Cordelia may not have the bloodlines, but she is so Vor she squeaks and thus is able to win over most of the Vor class nobles. Poor Gregor had to go off-world to find someone who had the guts as well as the brains and tact to be his Empress. Mr. Nagy is like the minor just elevated to the nobility due to the death of older or better bred lines count from a back country district who has his votes called and taxes paid by proxy by a much higher Vor family he is related to and stays out of the politics and expense of living in the capitol by staying on his farm and dealing with his people. Susan in Seattle --------________--------________-------- From lynette.jagoda at pnl.gov Mon Nov 4 23:13:05 2002 From: lynette.jagoda at pnl.gov (Jagoda, Lynette K) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 15:13:05 -0800 Subject: [LMB] OT:Breakfast in Houston Message-ID: Marna comments: > Breakfast is served from, based on the last Houston trip, noon to 3pm. On my recent Houston trip, breakfast was still a morning meal. Even on the morning we hauled breakfast out in a cooler, drove 45 minutes to Pixie's so he could cook omelets for everybody before the Renfaire, we ate before noon. And one delightful morning he bounced out of bed at 7:30ish to make fresh yummy scones from scratch and tea. Mmmmm. Anyway...so what can be noted is that the boy is a good host and adjusts to his guests schedules for the most part. =-) Thus Elizabeth I am sure he can accommodate your time table. Lynette <---- Who does dishes but prefers a dishwasher, especially one who sings sea shanties and is as cute as Ian in a sarong... And I have lots of cleavage... I might just have to bring some dirty dishes to TorCon... just because...LOL Of course if we get Scott to make scones in a toaster oven... we can generate them on site... ... and that would make use of both of the talented boys... --------________--------________-------- From tinne at eskimo.com Mon Nov 4 23:19:11 2002 From: tinne at eskimo.com (Susan Profit) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:19:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LMB] OT: Alaska Listees? In-Reply-To: <200211040642.GAA30435@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: Have any of the Alaska listees checked in yet? I know there are no reports of loss of life and one reported injury, and Alaskans are even more casual about earthquakes than Californians, but are the Alaska Listees still connected to working telephone lines? Susan in Seattle --------________--------________-------- From paal at gis.net Mon Nov 4 23:31:59 2002 From: paal at gis.net (Paula Lieberman) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:31:59 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Breakfast in Houston References: Message-ID: <094201c2845a$60142050$7957d63f@LAPTOP> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jagoda, Lynette K" > > Lynette <---- Who does dishes but prefers a dishwasher, especially one who > sings sea shanties and is as cute as Ian in a sarong... And I > have lots of cleavage... I might just have to bring some dirty dishes to > TorCon... just because...LOL Of course if we get Scott to It's not enough to tempt me back into working on Bid Parties.... > make scones in a toaster oven... we can generate them on site... ... Uh, maybe, some hotel contracts have clauses of No Cooking in Rooms -- no use of Toaster Ovens, crockpots, etc. > and that would make use of both of the talented boys... -- Paula L who washed a lot of dishes in room sinks at conventions at the end of bid parties. ObBujold -- Lois has uterine replicators in her books, are there automatic dish collectors and washers for parties, such that the dirty dishes don't have to be gathered, even, by hand? --------________--------________-------- From scott.r.padget at boeing.com Mon Nov 4 23:50:56 2002 From: scott.r.padget at boeing.com (Padget, Scott R) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:50:56 -0600 Subject: [LMB] OT:Breakfast in Houston Message-ID: Marna divulges: > Breakfast is served from, based on the last Houston trip, noon to 3pm. That's actually something of an aberration, having to do with routinely staying up until 4 AM. (Warning: Marna is nocturnal by preference, and near as I can tell would prefer that mornings not exist. Either that or she naturally lives on a 26-hour diurnal cycle.) When I'm actually going to work regularly, breakfast happens a lot earlier. Even fancy weekend breakfasts. Lynette adds: > And one delightful morning he bounced out of bed at 7:30ish to make fresh > yummy scones That's actually more typical. The hour, I mean, not the scones. Diane E's scones are a Special Occasion treat. Call it 7:30ish for a generic breakfast on a workday, and 8:30-9:00 for a fancier breakfast on the weekend. Pilot Padget--who discovered he *can* still adjust his waking-up-early habit with sufficient provokation --------________--------________-------- From rterry at tagglobal.com Tue Nov 5 00:15:18 2002 From: rterry at tagglobal.com (Rebecca J. Terry) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:15:18 -0900 Subject: [LMB] OT: Alaska Listees? Message-ID: <531F912E5068BC44A55E43E4072BECF60E8780@tag_w2k.tagglobal.co m> Yep I'm here still... My daughter was on a charter bus coming back from Fairbanks when it hit. Luckily they were at a rest stop just outside Denali National Park (45 miles from the Epicenter). They were past the bridge that ended up with an 18 inch crack; so she got home safely. The bus driver started to get upset because he thought the kids were rocking the bus. Looked up and noticed it wasn't the kids. Me & me Mum were eating lunch. As far as earthquakes go, it wasn't bad. Just long... it kept going, and going, and going... They say the initial quake was only 30 seconds... but I think I included the aftershocks that came on it's heel. Altogether lasted about a minute & a half. We had a precursor to it a week ago at 3:30 in the morning. A 6.9 then. A few cracks and landslides then also. So yeah I was a bit concerned as to "where the bus was". Anchorage and the surrounding areas didn't suffer hardly anything at all. Maybe a few things fell off some shelves, but nothing major or even minor in my eyes. Becca... Who can eat a 6.7 quake for breakfast... Experienced a 5.7 in 1980, a 6.5 & 6.7 in 1991 (with in a week of each other then) The 6.9 last week...and others so numerous but below my hrmpf level... On Behalf Of Susan Profit Subject: [LMB] OT: Alaska Listees? Have any of the Alaska listees checked in yet? I know there are no reports of loss of life and one reported injury, and Alaskans are even more casual about earthquakes than Californians, but are the Alaska Listees still connected to working telephone lines? Susan in Seattle -- --------________--------________-------- From rterry at tagglobal.com Tue Nov 5 00:21:21 2002 From: rterry at tagglobal.com (Rebecca J. Terry) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:21:21 -0900 Subject: [LMB] OT: Alaska Listees & telephone lines... Message-ID: <531F912E5068BC44A55E43E4072BECF60E8781@tag_w2k.tagglobal.co m> On Behalf Of Susan Profit but are the Alaska Listees still connected to working telephone lines? Susan in Seattle Susan wants to know whether we are still connected to working telephone lines. Err yep... Although most of the lines are now buried/laying on the ocean floor fiber optic cable. Where cable isn't there then the backup is satellite. Every once in awhile something happens that will cut the cable (construction workers) or break the cable on the sea floor. When that occurs then back pretty much automatically goes to satellite. We can always tell when there is a problem because satellite comes with the proverbial echo... I've spoken to back east lately and no echo so cable is still good. :) Becca... Who is enjoying their long beautiful fall season this year... Average temp for Oct 02... 41.2 degrees.. wweeeee warm... --------________--------________-------- From lqmiller at iqcisp.com Tue Nov 5 00:14:54 2002 From: lqmiller at iqcisp.com (Louann Miller) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 18:14:54 -0600 Subject: [LMB] Future Book Wishes OT: In-Reply-To: <3DC23120.B81443B7@gci.net> References: <200210311627.QAA29691@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20021104181341.00b22e60@mail.iqcisp.com> At 10:45 PM 10/31/2002 -0900, Peter Newman wrote: >Louann Miller wrote: > > > Harry Flashman up against someone madder, badder, > > and more dangerous to know than himself. > >How about Flashman and the Draka, Flashman and the >Martian Tripods, Flashman and Dr Moreau, Flashman and >Nemo, Flashman and Lord Greystroke, Flashman and >Professor Moriarty, etc. Somebody around here (Eric?) was writing a double novel: "Flashman and the Wizards" backed by "Harry Potter and the Hero of the Khyber Pass." (or wherever.) We never did get a hint where to read that one, whimper. Louann --------________--------________-------- From tinne at eskimo.com Tue Nov 5 00:40:57 2002 From: tinne at eskimo.com (Susan Profit) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:40:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LMB] Woodstoves for heat? In-Reply-To: <200211042353.XAA02421@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: Well, the ceramic stoves are a traditional way to heat an entire house in parts of Central Europe and Russia. Even to the point of banking the coals and putting the feather beds atop the stove after the flames are out. What that tells me is there is a limit to how far the heat will dissipate, and in a really cold region of Barrayar there may be rooms that go unseen from late fall to mid-spring - closed to keep the heat loss down. Susan in Seattle --------________--------________-------- From kknolte at ecity.net Tue Nov 5 01:49:21 2002 From: kknolte at ecity.net (K Kuhn) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 19:49:21 -0600 Subject: [LMB] Delayed Note for _Curse of Chalion_ (Chapter 28) References: <15c.16694682.2af7f52c@aol.com> Message-ID: <3DC7239F.1D40@ecity.net> MarkDEddy at aol.com wrote: > > Well, you've got a family of gods: the Mother, the Father, the Son, and the > Daughter. Who do you use as a fifth god? the Baby (not to mention Spot and > Fluffy)? The Brat. Karen (Although a Baby could be interesting as a god - in the Chinese sense, of course. A god at the eternal Terrible Two stage, anyone? Though if the Son and Daughter have been stuck in puberty without much harm (unless the night sky in Chalion is a result of them painting their rooms black), maybe it wouldn't be so bad.) --------________--------________-------- From kknolte at ecity.net Tue Nov 5 01:52:40 2002 From: kknolte at ecity.net (K Kuhn) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 19:52:40 -0600 Subject: [LMB] OT:? Pat Wrede Reading References: <20021104213804.GA24694@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <3DC72467.4B48@ecity.net> Scott Raun wrote: > > It's not exactly ON topic - but I'm not certain it qualifies as > off-topic either... > > Tues, Nov 19, 6:30-8PM. The Speculations Readings Series. Featured > Reader: Patricia C. Wrede. DreamHaven, 912 W. Lake St, Mpls. FFI: > 612-823-6161 From a new book, or not? Karen --------________--------________-------- From birthday at dendarii.com Tue Nov 5 00:51:33 2002 From: birthday at dendarii.com (The Birthday Tixie) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:51:33 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Happy Birthday!! Message-ID: <3DC6CFC5.28002.20BC3E30@localhost> Another birthday to celebrate! Everyone must line up and sing a round of "happy birthday" to Debra Fran Baker, long-time listee. May her natal day be filled with happy thoughts, good health, and some really good food. Kosher tixie dust will be supplied, of course. :-) TBT -- who hopes that, if Debra is lurking, this birthday wish will bring her out of the woodwork. --------________--------________-------- From birthday at dendarii.com Tue Nov 5 00:51:31 2002 From: birthday at dendarii.com (The Birthday Tixie) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:51:31 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Happy Belated Birthday!!... Message-ID: <3DC6CFC3.15852.20BC372C@localhost> ...but it's not The Birthday Tixie's fault. We should all take turns in wishing Paige Kalika a happy 24th birthday *yesterday*. Her surgery rotation has gone to her brain, and she did not inform me until today. May this year contain many happy days, light on-call nights, good books, and piles of tixie dust. TBT -- who is enjoying the fall weather in the DC area. Isn't the rain nice? --------________--------________-------- From jwreynold at earthlink.net Tue Nov 5 01:03:49 2002 From: jwreynold at earthlink.net (James W. Reynolds) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 20:03:49 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Fashion textevd from Cetaganda References: Message-ID: <3DC718F3.121A5A7C@earthlink.net> Andrew Lambdin-Abraham wrote: > On Tuesday, October 29, 2002, at 08:56 PM, D Echelbarger wrote: > > > Somebody enlighten me: what's the difference > > between a bodysuit and a catsuit? > > I don't know that there is one, at least in my mind. I think catsuit > is used when it is intended to be seductive, sexual, feline, etc. > Using bodysuit gives the same picture but with a different message to > the reader. (Snip) Sorry to be replying so late, but I'm going thru the backlog from a week away at WFC2002. Let's take that a step further, Andrew- a bodysuit is like ship-knits, functional, uniform, not necessarily made to show you off. A catsuit -is-. Think Diana Rigg as Emma Peel or Julie Newmar as the Catwoman (the old Batman TV series). Those costumes are made to make the wearers as,mmm, attractive as possible. Is thjis sufficient? ***Jim Reynolds --------________--------________-------- From lorrainenfletez at hotmail.com Tue Nov 5 01:09:23 2002 From: lorrainenfletez at hotmail.com (lorraine fletez-brant) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 18:09:23 -0700 Subject: [LMB] Happy Birthdays!!... Message-ID: The Birthday Tixie sparkles: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:51:31 -0500 Happy birthdays, respectively, to Paige Kalika and Debra Fran Baker! May you enjoy your birthdays (when you celebrate) wholeheartedly, do only those things you love, and have a terrific year! Lorraine - Lil' Horned Hopper blinking through tixie dust >TBT -- who is enjoying the fall weather in the DC area. Isn't the >rain >nice? I don't know about your rain, but since I've whined all summer about the heat, I should say that Phoenix is utterly delightful right now! It is between 79-82 during the days and down to at 50 at night. Cold enough to snuggle up in blankets at night again, but warm enough in the days that we aren't in sweaters yet! _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp --------________--------________-------- From gorilla at elaine.furryape.com Tue Nov 5 01:14:33 2002 From: gorilla at elaine.furryape.com (Alan Barclay) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 20:14:33 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Stats for Oct 28 00:00 to Nov 4 00:00 (49 % percent offtopic) Message-ID: <200211050114.gA51EX002171@elaine.furryape.com> Total of 681 messages, with 247 unique subjects from 118 unique addresses Total of 337 OT: messages, with 114 unique subjects from 85 unique addresses Most popular subject lines: Future Book Wishes (42 messages) Brainstorming: Robert in Bad Haut Lady Drag (32 messages) Fashion Cops and Guides (29 messages) Fashion textevd from Cetaganda (22 messages) Bad Haut Lady Pets (13 messages) Top posters "lorraine fletez-brant" (51) Robert Parks (44) "Paula Lieberman" (37) Andrew Lambdin-Abraham (32) Marna Nightingale (22) Poster of the longest message "Jo'Asia" with Happy Birthday! (362 lines) Poster with the longest average message "Jo'Asia" (135 lines/3 messages) Poster with the most OT: messages "lorraine fletez-brant" (31/51 60.78%) Poster with the highest % OT: messages Jim Parish (8/8 100%) Poster with the most not OT: messages "Paula Lieberman" (29/37 78.38%) Poster with the highest % not OT: messages Michael Bernardi (5/5 100%) --------________--------________-------- From m.dolbear at lineone.net Tue Nov 5 01:14:18 2002 From: m.dolbear at lineone.net (Michael R N Dolbear) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 01:14:18 -0000 Subject: [LMB] Delayed Note for _Curse of Chalion_ (Chapter 28) Message-ID: > From: K Kuhn > Date: 05 November 2002 01:49 [...] > (Although a Baby could be interesting as a god - in the Chinese sense, > of course. A god at the eternal Terrible Two stage, anyone? Though if > the Son and Daughter have been stuck in puberty without much harm Not necessarily stuck in puberty, just Single (and their coverage includes Married, No Kids). Average age for marriage for non-nobles was often 25-28. For a god, or rather demigod, aged four, see Harry Turtledove's _Fox and Empire_, recommended. -- Little Egret --------________--------________-------- From kknolte at ecity.net Tue Nov 5 02:32:41 2002 From: kknolte at ecity.net (K Kuhn) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 20:32:41 -0600 Subject: [LMB] A wierd theory from DI (and I don't mean a Sargent) References: <1a0.b1df3a8.2af41d70@aol.com> Message-ID: <3DC72DC5.12AC@ecity.net> MarkDEddy at aol.com wrote: > > I was just rereading Diplomatic Immunity, when something near the end caught > my eye -- > > Miles tells Pel that he thinks it's nurture, not nature. But the opposite may > be true -- he's the offspring of a Betan Survey Captain and a Barrayaran > Count (and successful warrior and politician, on both counts), after all. Or maybe being a bit non-standard isn't such a bad deal after all. Sets up a few more possibilities about tolerance of mutants if LMB wanted to explore them, anyway. For example, I'm not really sure that Barrayar, as presented, is really getting over its cultural phobia about mutants and the gene pool. Maybe they've just figured out that once you have uterine replicators, not only does it do a better job of cleaning up the gene pool, but you don't have the social problems that the old ways led to. Not a matter of learning tolerance at all, but the problem of mutants in the gene pool is solved, so why care about one walking around? Sorta like, if the uterine replicator actually does get to the point where popping an embryo into a uterine replicator is just as easy as an *b*rt**n, that invention is unlikely to actually change the minds of the people who go in for cultural wars on that subject and lead to mutual tolerance - it just means they're not going to fight noisily over that particular problem anymore? Anyway, Miles is most certainly going to insist on a clean gene scan (including no madness from the Vorruyter or Vorbarra sides) for his children, and the rest of the high Vor almost certainly will too. Meanwhile, what if one of the arguments that led to the Dowager Empress wanting to set up competing hauts was whether a bit of madness in the genetics might not be such a bad thing after all? Say the Empire breaks up into Kingdoms, and one of the Kingdom hauts starts experimenting with a bit of manic-depression, etc - and King Mackenzie Giaja starts running rings around the Barrayarans and everyone else by taking advice from his dead pet dog. Do the Barrayaran Vor start resurrecting some of the genes they threw out of their bloodlines as 'mutant', or do they stick with being 'normal' and let the Cetas take over? Karen (Yes, I know that if LMB really wanted to show if Barrayar was really getting tolerant of mutants, or just not caring much about individual mutants because they know they'll be disappearing from the gene pool, she'd just have some Enrique come up with a pharmaceutical butter-bug whose products, when eaten, result in the development of the Terrence Cee telepathy complex in children who haven't reached puberty yet, and with his normal care for keeping his products safe, they escape. Added advantage in that it really gives LMB a chance to do another Cordelia book - things could get interesting very quickly if a telepath decides to interview one of the last 'heros' of the Escobaran Invasion.) --------________--------________-------- From tinne at eskimo.com Tue Nov 5 01:37:16 2002 From: tinne at eskimo.com (Susan Profit) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:37:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LMB] OT: Musical Duct Tape Message-ID: Iestyn suggests there are some musical performances/performers that should have this applied over the mouth. Sometimes the hands will do. One particular Seattle Opera student has been part of the get-your-feet-wet-performing-in-Auburn series for years. Glorious rich baritone. The year he was dressed in the loin cloth and feather wings I was drafted to help him with the 10 second costume change because it involved a crotch strap when you added the wings and it was determined too riske' for the high school girls borrowed from the Drama department. During the rehearsals, there was a soprano that was in the habit of chatting in the wings off-stage while he was singing before, during and after the change (her part being over by that point it wqas quite rude.) Since he was singing off-stage during the quick change, her voice was being picked up by his mike and we could NOT convince her to go into the green room for her chatter. (I also had to be VERY careful not to startle him by touching him or his voice would waver just a bit.) Night of the performance just before the curtain rose, the baritone, who had gotten to really like how fast and carefully I made the change near his intimate anatomy, looked over his shoulder at the soprano. He raised an eyebrow, I nodded. I got on the headset and asked the technical director to send me his biggest stagehands and a roll of gaff tape ten minutes after intermission. (One was his son, and I was counting on that.) I had noticed she was one of those people who gesture with their hands and if you held her hand she literally couldn't talk. Sing, yes, but talk no. As soon as she came off-stage and started her whisper in the wings bit, I handed the gaff tape to the son, touched it to my hands and looked at her saying 'Csendesi't' (the verb silence) and turned my back. I heard a squeak. A quick patter of feet and then saw the light behind as the door to the green room door opened in a hurry. He got it right, he had taped her hands together with the gaff tape. The TD got the full brunt of her rage, but he knew what the baritone had been complaining about for four days. She demanded they be arrested, and let me clue you he was in no way going to have his son arrested for helping teach her a lesson in manners. I was later told that he told her he would confine them on the other side of the stage where they would not bother her anymore. He came out, and to his hands said "Return to your posts." Then he leaned over my shoulder and said a word that translates into 'mischief maker' with the vocal tone that I had his full approval. When the baritone came off-stage singing away, he grinned at the soprano-less wings and visibly relaxed during the change, triumphantly returning to the stage in full angelic glory. Had I told them to put it on her lips we all would have been sent home in disgrace. Susan in Seattle --------________--------________-------- From ralla at carleton.edu Sun Nov 3 02:54:51 2002 From: ralla at carleton.edu (ralla at carleton.edu) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 20:54:51 -0600 Subject: [LMB] Happy Birthday Lois! In-Reply-To: <200211030119.BAA17727@lists.herald.co.uk> References: <200211030119.BAA17727@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <193306359.1036270491@Vorkosigan.res.carleton.edu> As I'm lacking in the ability to make cool pictures like Jo'Asia I will simply say: "Felicem natalem scriptori mirabila!" Ashley "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." - Douglas Adams --------________--------________-------- From megj at nwlink.com Tue Nov 5 02:37:19 2002 From: megj at nwlink.com (Meg Justus) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:37:19 -0800 Subject: [LMB] Poor Simon's Almanack - November 3 References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021103005144.00b8ebb0@mail.so.centurytel.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20021104082802.00b9fb68@mail.so.centurytel.net> Message-ID: <018201c2847b$5dfab330$5db1cacf@meg> Susan: > Heh, try going without for nearly a whole year! I didn't even think about > cutting our yard until mid-August this year. But now that it is COLD we > got like a week and a half of the cold gray nasties, with the capper being > an ice storm on Halloween. Yes, but in your part of the world you're *used* to going without rain for long periods. It's *November,* for crying out loud. It was supposed to start raining at least three weeks ago. Our mildew is starting to disappear. But they are predicting rain for day after tomorrow... > It's a continual source of amazing entertainment and mind boggles. Can't > get too much of that! So I am amply rewarded. But thanks for the > appreciation! I dip into the archives occasionally at work when it's slow at the reference desk. Although I'm a lot more careful about it now after the first time I ran across Max and the typhoon. Holding a guffaw in is almost as bad as smothering a sneeze. Meg --------________--------________-------- From bkemper at bigdogz.com Tue Nov 5 05:32:36 2002 From: bkemper at bigdogz.com (Bart Kemper) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 23:32:36 -0600 Subject: [LMB] OT: Sum of all Skippyisms References: <200211040204.CAA28875@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <3DC757F4.2000107@bigdogz.com> # 87 If the thought of something makes me giggle for longer than 15 seconds, I am to assume that I am not allowed to do it. This one is about the "catch all" for them....of course, it nevers stops people like us ....its just a good indicator we're about to Do Something. --------________--------________-------- From marna at redmaplegrove.org Tue Nov 5 05:53:31 2002 From: marna at redmaplegrove.org (Marna Nightingale) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 00:53:31 -0500 Subject: [LMB] OT: Sum of all Skippyisms References: <200211040204.CAA28875@lists.herald.co.uk> <3DC757F4.2000107@bigdogz.com> Message-ID: <3DC75CD4.510FF3F0@redmaplegrove.org> Bart Kemper wrote: > > # 87 If the thought of something makes me giggle for longer than > 15 seconds, I am to assume that I am not allowed to do it. That's just Words To Live By. Marna. -- Marna Nightingale marna at redmaplegrove.org ~~~~~ I want that pink Barbie Christmas tree so bad I CAN TASTE IT. ~~ Kristie Helms --------________--------________-------- From nbombay at mindspring.com Tue Nov 5 06:35:37 2002 From: nbombay at mindspring.com (Nora Bombay) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 01:35:37 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Happy Belated Birthday!!... In-Reply-To: <3DC6CFC3.15852.20BC372C@localhost> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021105013433.00a36b90@mindspring.com> >TBT -- who is enjoying the fall weather in the DC area. Isn't the rain >nice? Not bad. It's been so dry. But it killed the last of fall. From when it was last dry, and warm to wet and cold, the difference was like a week. I miss the nice weather. I wasn't prepared, and am still digging out the winter clothes. Elizabeth. --------________--------________-------- From carosue at centurytel.net Tue Nov 5 07:00:08 2002 From: carosue at centurytel.net (House of Unruly Fish) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 00:00:08 -0700 Subject: [LMB] Poor Simon's Almanack - November 5 Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20021104094907.00bc1950@mail.so.centurytel.net> Happy Guy Fawkes Day to those who celebrate it! This Day In Listory: 2001 - (Digests 4780-3) Nazis, chocolate and Outlook Express, among other wildly varied and pretty much OT threads. POST FROM LOIS asking for one last try at a better omnibus title than 'Miles To Go'. 2000 - (Digests 3660-1) Natalie Getzoff shares the exciting info that she gets to attend a space shuttle launch. In other news, plumbing stories. 1999 - (Digests 2881-3) Royce Day reports that Pat Wrede's Enchanted Forest Chronicles got a brief mention in the Washington Post. 1998 - (Digests 1983-5) Good speculation on why Jackson's Whole doesn't seem to deal in designer drugs much. And perhaps due to it being election time in the US, lots of comments on good old Steady Freddy. 1997 - (Digests 957-60) (959 missing) Discussion on various aspects of the 'retirement' of Naismith. Delia Bourne kicks off some musing about the meaning of names in Lois's books. 1996 - (Digest 432) Puns and Dreamweaver's Dilemma and casting. 1995 - No posts today. 1994 - (Old Digest 16) Maureen O'Brien posts her filk "Mad Emperor Yuri". Respectfully submitted by, Susan the Neon Nurse All the above info collected from: http://lists.herald.co.uk/old-archives/lois-bujold/ Additions, corrections or international fireworks may be sent to carosue at centurytel.net ++++++++++++++++++++++carosue at centurytel.net+++++++++++++++++++++ --------________--------________-------- From oppen at mycns.net Tue Nov 5 05:23:22 2002 From: oppen at mycns.net (Eric Oppen) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:23:22 -0600 Subject: [LMB] Future Book Wishes OT: References: <200210311627.QAA29691@lists.herald.co.uk> <5.0.2.1.0.20021104181341.00b22e60@mail.iqcisp.com> Message-ID: <000e01c2849d$bfce5ea0$47570043@hppav> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louann Miller" To: Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [LMB] Future Book Wishes OT: > At 10:45 PM 10/31/2002 -0900, Peter Newman wrote: > >Louann Miller wrote: > > > > > Harry Flashman up against someone madder, badder, > > > and more dangerous to know than himself. > > > >How about Flashman and the Draka, Flashman and the > >Martian Tripods, Flashman and Dr Moreau, Flashman and > >Nemo, Flashman and Lord Greystroke, Flashman and > >Professor Moriarty, etc. > > Somebody around here (Eric?) was writing a double novel: "Flashman and the > Wizards" backed by "Harry Potter and the Hero of the Khyber Pass." (or > wherever.) We never did get a hint where to read that one, whimper. > It's _not done yet._ Among other things, like _Harry Potter and the One Ring of Power_ (available on www.schnoogle.com) I've had travelling to do---including to OVFF where I ran into several list-members. The title was, in true nineteenth-century style: Flashman and the Sorcerers, or, Harry Potter and the Hero of Kabul. I'm also thinking about a HP fanfic where Harry runs into Horace Rumpole, and recruits him to plead before a wizard court in the cause of his godfather, Sirius Black. Harry Potter and the Old Bailey Hack, or, Rumpole and the Wizards. --------________--------________-------- From tygerbryght at myrealbox.com Tue Nov 5 09:16:36 2002 From: tygerbryght at myrealbox.com (Paula S. Sanch) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 03:16:36 -0600 Subject: [LMB] Re: Recognition at Cons Message-ID: <1036487796.d3ec2580tygerbryght@myrealbox.com> >James - who suggests that we all >wear formal business clothes Pin-stripe suits with Gucci loafers and faux old school ties?? How would we ever get you to wear that, James? ;D Can even Carol do that? Even for the opera? I thought you were allergic to suits and shoes. :D Paula S --------________--------________-------- From tygerbryght at myrealbox.com Tue Nov 5 09:26:55 2002 From: tygerbryght at myrealbox.com (Paula S. Sanch) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 03:26:55 -0600 Subject: [LMB] Re: Useful knowledge for the day OT: (Sherwood) Message-ID: <1036488415.d3ec2580tygerbryght@myrealbox.com> On the date of digests I'm reading tonight, Marilyn is apologizing for late resps. I'm *still* 100 digests behind, peeps. I won't apologize for the list volume, since it is not of my making. ;P Lorraine Fletez-Brant wrote: >Casey Allison wrote: >>The dentist told us to put *Vick's Vapo-Rub* on it. We did >>and, amazingly, it really helped take the swelling down. If >>you can stand the smell of the stuff.... >Casey, now I KNOW you're on my family tree for sure! Vicks >Vaporub is my all-time favorite home remedy for whenever I >get an upper respiratory infection. ... Vicks 'salve' (as it used to be known) is a wonderfully effective thing for an amazing array of problems on or near the surface of the body. When I was 16, I discovered it would fade the color out of a hickey in almost no time. ;) (No, I'm not kidding!) IIRC, I had first discovered it worked great on bruises, and therefore reasoned out that a hickey was like a bruise, in that blood was stranded in the tissues. It also worked great on the occasional zit (I was one of the lucky ones who had very few). I believe that what it actually does is promote circulation, thereby bringing in what supplies and healing-promoting lymph cells, and taking away the debris. With a zit, what it does is bring it to a head much faster than anything else that was available back in the Dark Ages (mid 50s to early 60s). Casey Allison wrote: >Lois Fundis wrote: >>I once had a tooth abscess over Easter weekend [but] >>because it was Easter I decided to eat my chocolate bunny >>anyhow, and somehow the milk chocolate seemed to help. Not >>much else did. >I lost nearly all my teeth to repeated and raging abscesses. Oh, my. I have several cousins who apparently hit the negative genetic jackpot on teeth. No matter what they (and dentists) did, they all had really rotten teeth by the time they finished high school. So the eldest joined the service (and went to Korea in the mid '50s) so that Uncle Sam would pull his teeth and give him dentures. The next brother wasn't too much beyond h.s. when he had to have his out. Not sure about the youngest, although I know he went in the service too - served in Vietnam. I wonder how much of it could have been a floride issue? They grew up on a farm (well water). Of course, so did I, and the oral surgeon last spring who knocked a crown off the adjacent tooth while extracting a wisdom tooth (in pieces) told me I've got the hardest bones he ever saw. My teeth are ugly, and I have some fillings (and in the last decade, am starting to acquire crowns), but they do seem to be better than average, in terms of resistance to decay. IIRC, I've had one abcess, but didn't lose that tooth. > ... But >here's another home remedy that is excellent in this sort of >emergency: >Swish hot salt water in your mouth. ... >However, if you detest the taste of salt as much as I do, you >*can* use other hot liquids. I'd do it with coffee, actually! >Hot tea would probably work as well. Tea would be best. Here's why: A very old treatment for toothache (including abcesses) is to hold wet tea leaves against the offended area. Aren't we lucky to have tea *bags* so readily available? The tannins in the tea leaves are soothing, and I suspect there are other (natural) chemicals which also help to relieve the agony. [Caution: Handle the tea bag carefully, once wet. They tend to burst, otherwise. And a mouth full of loose wet tea leaves isn't the most pleasant thing. Not to mention they're not doing their job if they're not adjacent to the painful area. Wetting procedure? I recommend pouring hot water over it as though you were going to make a cup of tea, but only leave it in long enough to get wet through. Wet tea leaves are also very soothing on a burn (including sunburn), if you don't have a burn spray in the medicine chest. Just make sure they're cold before applying. BTW, I'm not certain it matters, but I know that orange or black pekoe works; not sure whether green tea would have as strong an effect.] Tea on the inside, and Vick's (generously applied) on the outside of the mouth is probably the very best combination of 'home remedies' available for emergency toothache treatment. Paula S --------________--------________-------- From tygerbryght at myrealbox.com Tue Nov 5 09:38:32 2002 From: tygerbryght at myrealbox.com (Paula S. Sanch) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 03:38:32 -0600 Subject: [LMB] Extremely OT: Political stupidity Message-ID: <1036489112.d3ec2580tygerbryght@myrealbox.com> My phone rang this evening. It was President Bush. Or a recording of his voice, at any rate. I don't know when I've been so furious. The dignity of the office has been compromised, at very least. Maybe I oughta run for office .... Paula S, who believes in dignity, especially when the subject is the holder of an office who makes the claims for his office and his nation that Mr. Bush does. And who expects this topic will require a 'pizza' call in *very* short order. :( --------________--------________-------- From tygerbryght at myrealbox.com Tue Nov 5 09:44:38 2002 From: tygerbryght at myrealbox.com (Paula S. Sanch) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 03:44:38 -0600 Subject: [LMB] Re: Hope Chest, now going OT: Message-ID: <1036489478.d3ec2580tygerbryght@myrealbox.com> Tora Smulders-Srinivasan wrote: >When I was deciding on which university to attend, my >father asked me if I wanted a dowry or I wanted him to >pay for me to go to Cornell University (otherwise, >probably would have gone to Penn State mostly on >scholarships, a common university for students from my >high school outside of Pittsburgh.). > >Obviously just one traditional Indian man's opinion of >what a dowry could be today: > a good education! One of my 'adopted sons' is the other kind of Indian (Tora's kind) from me. Sastry's mother was widowed when he was a toddler, and she managed to raise her children such that he (the younger of two sons) was sent to the U.S. for his graduate education. ... At a "regional institution", grant you, but a U.S. university, nonetheless. About a year before he finished his M.S. (I.S.) from the business school, they started pressuring him to come home and get married. While not a 'party animal', he didn't feel he was ready for marriage. As he was finishing his degree, his family lured him home on the pretext of being there for a sister's wedding. Guess who came back to Michigan with a fiance? And got married a year or so later? ;D His wife is the daughter of a family of physicians. Her dowry may or may not have included other things, but it did include a medical degree (India follows the British medical education plan, for those who are interested). She had to do both internship and residency here before she could be licensed here, and that took more than you'd think. [And AFAICT, he definitely married 'up', even in terms of what his family's status might have been if his father hadn't died.] Oh, yes. I'll leave the significance of the matter to others to discuss; with several listies of Indian descent/residence on the list, it would be presumptuous of me to do otherwise. However, I will observe that the wife is beautiful and has much lighter skin than he. And after the first child came, his father-in-law took a hiatus from his practice so that they could come and be babysitters. OTOH, Sastry's first job was for a company which got his green card for him. Paula S, proud to say he has always listened carefully to any advice I gave him. He delayed leaving that first employer (which I'm sure was difficult; they did not treat him with consideration) until I told him it was 'safe' (in terms of his employment record). Such things may not mean much for citizens, but I suspect that employers still look harder at foreign prospective employees --------________--------________-------- From joasia at fandom.art.pl Tue Nov 5 11:49:47 2002 From: joasia at fandom.art.pl (Jo'Asia) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:49:47 +0100 Subject: [LMB] Happy Birthday Lois! In-Reply-To: <193306359.1036270491@Vorkosigan.res.carleton.edu> References: <200211030119.BAA17727@lists.herald.co.uk> <193306359.1036270491@Vorkosigan.res.carleton.edu> Message-ID: <1535596149.20021105124947@galaxy.uci.agh.edu.pl> My comconsole brought me this letter from ralla at carleton.edu: > As I'm lacking in the ability to make cool pictures like Jo'Asia I din't make them. I gathered them from web archives - and most of them has author signatures. Jo'Asia -- __.-=-. joasia at fandom.art.pl Joanna Slupek .-=-.__ --<()> http://bujold.fantastyka.net/ http://esensja.pl/ <()>-- .__.'| ...................................................... |'.__. Keep smiling......they'll think you're up to something --------________--------________-------- From pnewman at gci.net Tue Nov 5 13:03:23 2002 From: pnewman at gci.net (Peter Newman) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 04:03:23 -0900 Subject: [LMB] Re: OT: Alaska Listees? References: <200211042353.XAA02417@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <3DC7C198.D95EE94@gci.net> Susan Profit wrote > Have any of the Alaska listees checked in yet? I know there are no > reports of loss of life and one reported injury, and Alaskans are even > more casual about earthquakes than Californians, but are the Alaska > Listees still connected to working telephone lines? I'm fine. While it was the strongest quake I've ever experienced it was really no big deal. I was a bit nervous that some of my bookcases might fall over but they only wiggled a bit. Now if the quake had been stronger or closer cleanup might have been a hassle. (I've got 65 or so 6' tall & 30" wide bookcases in my less than 900 square foot condo.) Fortunately while I live less than a mile away from the area that was destroyed by the big (9.2) quake of '64, the soil here is much better than the clay there, at least according to the geophysical maps I checked before buying. Some (foolish) people have built half million dollar plus mansions near the area where the soil turned to Jell-O and rolled into the inlet back then. When (not if) the next big one comes they'll be in trouble. It's an interesting (in a Chinese curse sort of way) experience to feel the earth move but the motion was minor compared to what you might experience in a moving vehicle (to say nothing of a boat). Since I've got quake insurance (in the US most homeowners and renters insurance does not cover quake damage, you have to buy it separately but its fairly cheap) anything other than personal injury would (eventually) have been covered. ObBujold: Just how tectonically active is Barrayar? ISTR some mentions of tectonic activity on some planet in the Nexus but can't remember the location. I'd hate to live in a Komarran dome if a big quake might crack it. Peter - in Anchorage, well south of the epicenter --------________--------________-------- From c_muir68 at hotmail.com Tue Nov 5 13:26:31 2002 From: c_muir68 at hotmail.com (catherine muir) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 13:26:31 +0000 Subject: [LMB] OT: Instructions Message-ID: Thanks, Kat! Clearly someone else has been at THOSE rehearsals! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. Click Here --------________--------________-------- From c_muir68 at hotmail.com Tue Nov 5 13:31:34 2002 From: c_muir68 at hotmail.com (catherine muir) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 13:31:34 +0000 Subject: [LMB] OT: New Pratchett Message-ID: Called Night Watch. And it's GOOD! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband. Join now! Click Here --------________--------________-------- From c_muir68 at hotmail.com Tue Nov 5 13:40:57 2002 From: c_muir68 at hotmail.com (catherine muir) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 13:40:57 +0000 Subject: [LMB] MiniCon in Midsomer Norton Message-ID: James, I'd love to sign the volume but can only reach Midsomer Norton by train. Alas, the only factoid I know about the place (pace Flanders & Swan) is that it doesn't have trains any more - or has that changed? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. Click Here --------________--------________-------- From lqmiller at iqcisp.com Tue Nov 5 13:55:40 2002 From: lqmiller at iqcisp.com (Louann Miller) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 07:55:40 -0600 Subject: [LMB] Re: OT: Alaska Listees? In-Reply-To: <3DC7C198.D95EE94@gci.net> References: <200211042353.XAA02417@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20021105075141.00afa5e0@mail.iqcisp.com> At 04:03 AM 11/5/2002 -0900, Peter Newman wrote: >Susan Profit wrote > > > Have any of the Alaska listees checked in yet? I know there are no > > reports of loss of life and one reported injury, and Alaskans are even > > more casual about earthquakes than Californians, but are the Alaska > > Listees still connected to working telephone lines? > >I'm fine. While it was the strongest quake I've ever >experienced it was really no big deal. I was a bit nervous >that some of my bookcases might fall over but they >only wiggled a bit. Now if the quake had been stronger >or closer cleanup might have been a hassle. (I've got >65 or so 6' tall & 30" wide bookcases in my less than >900 square foot condo.) If you haven't already done so, I recommend screwing an L-bracket or two to the top of each bookcase and into the stud, not just the sheet rock, above it. Your description didn't make me think of the inconvenience of picking up fallen books, it made me think of the inconvenience of having heavy furniture fall on your head. Louann, a bit concerned. --------________--------________-------- From lqmiller at iqcisp.com Tue Nov 5 14:28:05 2002 From: lqmiller at iqcisp.com (Louann Miller) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 08:28:05 -0600 Subject: [LMB] OT: New Pratchett In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20021105082736.00b01c60@mail.iqcisp.com> At 01:31 PM 11/5/2002 +0000, catherine muir wrote: >Called Night Watch. And it's GOOD! I'm hoping my copy will hit the mailbox today. I bought the US edition this time; cheaper than importing UK. --------________--------________-------- From jbryant at iee.org Tue Nov 5 14:45:54 2002 From: jbryant at iee.org (James M. BRYANT, G4CLF) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 14:45:54 +0000 Subject: [LMB] Re: Recognition at Cons In-Reply-To: <200211051202.MAA05629@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20021105143754.00af00b8@pop.luna.co.uk> I suggested formal business clothes. Which Paula Sanch interpreted as:- >Pin-stripe suits with Gucci loafers >and faux old school ties?? How would >we ever get you to wear that, James? >Can Carol do that? Even for the opera? She got me into a dinner jacket (tux) for the opera, much to everyone's amazement. I actually meant dark suit and tie. Since I have a real old school tie I don't need a faux one. I might still wear sandals [Did you ever find any remaindered Birkenstocks, Marna?] but don't know what a Gucci loafer is. James - presently somewhat more casual --------________--------________-------- From jbryant at iee.org Tue Nov 5 14:57:07 2002 From: jbryant at iee.org (James M. BRYANT, G4CLF) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 14:57:07 +0000 Subject: [LMB] 0T: House Ideas? In-Reply-To: <200211051202.MAA05629@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20021105144600.00affa28@pop.luna.co.uk> I own a field which has been in the family for a long time. It presently contains some horses (not mine). For many years it has been zoned as agricultural and there has not been a prayer of building on it, but the law has recently changed and I may be in there with a chance - if I submit a full, rather than an outline, plan with my application. This is expensive, and if I just ask an architect to supply a plan he'll pull one out of a drawer where he keeps 'em against such need and it will not have a library or anything else which I might consider necessary. So I am preparing a design of my own before I even hire an architect so that he can make over my plan to meet regulations rather than try and force me to use one of the pre-designed ones by claiming that all my ideas infringe something. Does anyone have any inputs of things to do and not to do when designing a house? [No, Louann, I would NEVER get permission for a dome, alas, they're too conservative around here.] It goes without saying that there WILL be a library. James - about-to-be householder who right now fills in forms "Lives with parent" --------________--------________-------- From jabrwok at mail.utexas.edu Tue Nov 5 15:47:45 2002 From: jabrwok at mail.utexas.edu (jabrwok at mail.utexas.edu) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 09:47:45 -0600 (CST) Subject: [LMB] 0T: House Ideas? In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021105144600.00affa28@pop.luna.co.uk> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021105144600.00affa28@pop.luna.co.uk> Message-ID: <1036511265.3dc7e821c2ebf@webmailapp1.cc.utexas.edu> Quoting "James M. BRYANT, G4CLF" : > Does anyone have any inputs of things > to do and not to do when designing a house? Go to your local library and read back issues of _This Old House_ magazine. Lots of good ideas there. From my wish-list: Integral vacuum system (uses tubes in the wall to connect to a central vacuum motor in basement/utility room/garage/wherever. you just plug the hose into a wall socket and start sucking up the dirt http://www.builtinvacuum.com/ is an example) Radiant floor heating. Rammed-earth walls (lots of thermal mass). Cistern and rain-water collection system. Grey-water recycling (from dishwasher to toilet frex). There's other stuff, but my wish-list is at home right now:-(. Jason B. --------________--------________-------- From altpouncer at yahoo.com Tue Nov 5 16:25:15 2002 From: altpouncer at yahoo.com (POUNCER) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:25:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LMB] telephone solicitation ot: In-Reply-To: <200211051202.MAA05633@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <20021105162515.85148.qmail@web11405.mail.yahoo.com> Paula Sanch reports: >My phone rang this evening. It was President >Bush. Or a recording of his voice, at any rate. >I don't know when I've been so furious. MrsPouncer learned that federal law authorizes phone subscribers to request soliciting firms put a ph.number on a "do not call" list. If a firm fails to do so, and repeats the call, that law allows the subscriber to take the offending caller into LOCAL small claims court to sue for $3000 in damages. (Interesting case law on the subject, in as how the feds have delegated and directed enforcement of their legislation onto states and municiple courts... but the Federal District courts have held that such jurisdiction is exactly the spirit and intent of federal legislators). ANYHOW, she's been vigorous (vicious?) in enforcing those rules. Not had to go to court yet, but she HAS extracted (extorted?) a bit of chump change from a business or two. And the number of calls is way down this year from last. This past month though, she has been shocked, SHOCKED, to discover that the legislators have exempted their own "political" solicitations from their anti-phone-solicitation legislation. Any hour of the day, any number of calls per day, and persisting even after being politely requested to desist. (Data point: Democratic Senate campaigners for ex-mayor of Dallas Ron Kirk have been the +most+ persistant and inconsiderate callers, here.) Putatively, Constitutional protections of free political speech trump privacy protections against unwelcome commercial intrusion. I find myself strangely ambivalent. I strongly support free speech rights, generally. But taking phone calls from recordings seems beyond the realm of "free speech", somehow; in a way that radio broadcast or audio streaming media on the internet of that same recording is not. Or maybe the latter instances are "free press" rather than speech. I dunno. In the Arde-and-Bel on Beta Colony fic I amuse myself with, I posit that Beta Colony enshrines a free speech principle in which a speaker must have the -literal- support of at least one listener in order to continue. A speaker must persuade a henchman to "play soapbox", or kneel so that the speaker can stand on his back. As long as that soapbox can bear the speaker's filibuster, the speech may not be politely interrupted. But if the "supporter" begins to get twitchy, the speaker knows it's time to wrap things up -- lest he lose support and suffer an abrupt interruption. Wholly non-canonical, I realize. And yet remaining consistent with the scene in which Arde and Baz hoist "Naismith" to their shoulders for his "Farewell Address" to the newly-formed Dendarii Mercenaries. But anyhow. It's certainly not rude to hang up on a recording. Nor irrational to vote from one's irritations. I point out the Libertarians and Greens tend NOT to make such solicitations -- largely because they don't have the support, but still... Heinlein noted it is ALWAYS possible to find some way to vote _against_. Pity, I think, that independent that Jesse "The Body" Ventura appointed in Minnesota isn't able to run as an incumbant. I'm sure calling pizza on will be appropriate soon, but today is sort of a secular/civic holy day in the U.S. and I beg those of other disciplines and persuasions indulge a brief spasm of outrageousness while we engage (in the sense of fencers or football linesmen) in the 106th (?) iteration of our experiment. It's still a novel thing for most of us. IF we get the kinks out, we'll let you know. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ --------________--------________-------- From ralla at carleton.edu Tue Nov 5 16:42:49 2002 From: ralla at carleton.edu (ralla at carleton.edu) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 10:42:49 -0600 Subject: [LMB] Re: TorCon In-Reply-To: <200211042353.XAA02413@lists.herald.co.uk> References: <200211042353.XAA02413@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <415799640.1036492969@Vorkosigan.res.carleton.edu> >>> So noted, you can join Nora at the Pity Party: >>> http://bujold-list.info/worldcon/index.html I guess I'll join the Pity Party too :(. Although, could we change its name to empathy party? I've always thought that empathy was much better than pity. Vale, Ashley "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." - Douglas Adams --------________--------________-------- From ralla at carleton.edu Tue Nov 5 16:59:07 2002 From: ralla at carleton.edu (ralla at carleton.edu) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 10:59:07 -0600 Subject: [LMB] Happy Birthday! In-Reply-To: <200211050734.HAA04630@lists.herald.co.uk> References: <200211050734.HAA04630@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <416777859.1036493947@Vorkosigan.res.carleton.edu> "The Birthday Tixie" wrote: > Everyone must line up and sing a round of "happy birthday" to Debra Fran > Baker, long-time listee. "Happy Birthday to you, Happy Birthday to you, Happy Birthday to *Debra*, Happy Birthday to you!" --------________--------________-------- From agnes at charrel.net Tue Nov 5 17:04:07 2002 From: agnes at charrel.net (Agnes Charrel-Berthillier) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 09:04:07 -0800 Subject: [LMB] 0T: House Ideas? References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021105144600.00affa28@pop.luna.co.uk> <1036511265.3dc7e821c2ebf@webmailapp1.cc.utexas.edu> Message-ID: <3DC7FA07.CFBAEAEA@charrel.net> jabrwok at mail.utexas.edu wrote: > > Quoting "James M. BRYANT, G4CLF" : > > > Does anyone have any inputs of things > > to do and not to do when designing a house? > > Go to your local library and read back issues of _This Old House_ magazine. > Lots of good ideas there. US magazine. US-type construction. I doubt plywood and cardboard houses are what James is thinking about . These I like... Some of them might/might not apply to James' area though: my mother was horrified when she visited us in California and found out that the pipe feeding the watering hose branched out from the kitchen. At home she has two separate water lines (drinkable to the house, "grey" to the garden). Agnes, who never managed to convince herself US-style frame houses are quite the real thing (stone! I want stone![1]). [1] OK, bricks and mortar [2] [2] mind, as long as I live in an earthquake area the cardboard presents some advantages... --------________--------________-------- From rparks at lvhot.org Tue Nov 5 17:09:51 2002 From: rparks at lvhot.org (Robert Parks) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 09:09:51 -0800 Subject: [LMB] OT:Breakfast in Houston References: Message-ID: <3DC7FB5F.5020605@lvhot.org> Padget, Scott R wrote: > Call it 7:30ish for a generic breakfast on a workday, and 8:30-9:00 for a > fancier breakfast on the weekend. > Pilot Padget--who discovered he *can* still adjust his waking-up-early habit > with sufficient provokation I can, but with difficulty, my best luck is with going back East and not changing my sleep cycle...sleeping from 3am to 9am works really well in Manhattan. And, really really hard to push it much past 830am, no matter when I get to bed. Robert --------________--------________-------- From rparks at lvhot.org Tue Nov 5 17:20:23 2002 From: rparks at lvhot.org (Robert Parks) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 09:20:23 -0800 Subject: [LMB] OT: Woodstoves References: <5.1.1.6.0.20021104185751.00b6ac88@mail.gothic.net.au> <3DC5182F.80842DE9@erols.com> <5.1.1.6.0.20021105040054.00b89978@mail.gothic.net.au> <00f401c28434$9835e570$6601a8c0@rheanet> <3DC6C914.12E947@redmaplegrove.org> Message-ID: <3DC7FDD7.2060002@lvhot.org> Marna Nightingale wrote: > Has anyone used one as a main heat source? Yes, but not used for cooking except when the power was out. We used a Jotul upright for house heating when I was growing up. The house now has a more advanced heating/cooling system, but the stove is still installed and functional. Log house, so very well insulated. Stove was downstairs front, heated the upstairs and downstairs front, but the downstairs back tended to be chilly...had some electric heat there. We also used woodstoves to heat the greenhouse (24' x 96') That was an old cast iron vertical stove bought from a "antique" store in the Blue Ridge of North Carolina. So chores included splitting the logs from the woodpile (most stuff for the house, just the biggest for the greenhouse. Lighting the fire in the greenhouse, since that stove leaked enough that it would generally burn out unless stoked. Happily lighting the greenhouse stove did not include certain in-house safety procedures. Marna: > Aside from finding woodheat pleasant, the ice storm taught us the > value, in Ottawa where you cannot possibly keep yourself warm in the > winter without artificial heat in the house, of preserving at least > some independence from the power grid. Woodheat is pleasant. It prepared me for San Francisco. When you complain that the house is too cold, the only sympathy you get is "you know what to do". As a result I am most comfortable in the 60s. (Which reminds me I need to close the skylight). I do recommend a slightly oversized stove, or at least a firebox that doesn't require stoking with little tiny bits of wood forty 'leven times a day. Patricia Swan: > If you go with wood or a mix of coal or wood depending on the > weather, you need the bulk of your wood in well-aged, dry hardwoods > like oak which are the higher BTU woods. We ran a mix of softwood/hardwood inside, and softwood/coal in the greenhouse. That being what we had...lots of loblolly pine and a limited amount of hardwood. The pine was fine most of the time, but the hardwood provided more heat for cold evenings, and the coal meant that the last stoking was midnight except for the very coldest weather. > You will need some softer > woods like pine for your initial burn in order to get the oak to > burn--it's a progression: paper, progressively larger kindling, small > pieces of pine, and work up from that point to oak or coal. If you do > it right very dry pine *can* do a hot enough burn to ignite coal so > you don't have to have an intermediate stage of oak to have it hot > enough to get the coal going. Heh. Don't try this at home. Shredded Sunday newspaper or two, layer of pine kindling, coal dust and small coal bits, a little more kindling for stability, regular coal, about a cup of gasoline poured over the top. Close the top door, light from the bottom through the vent, wait a few seconds...*WHEEZE*[1] *CHUFF*[2] *chuff* *roar* open the bottom door fully *ROAR*[3] wait a bit close the bottom door, but leave the vent fully open. Top load with a mixture of pine and coal, cackle a bit, close the vent down, go back in the hosue with the secure knowledge that the dull red glow indicates that the stove is well and truly started. Robert [1] Mind you, old stove...flames come out of all the cracks and rust holes. [2] Smoke comes out of all the same places plus all the joints in the flue [3] Sometimes flames would come out of the top of the stack. --------________--------________-------- From litalex at slashyalex.com Tue Nov 5 17:27:04 2002 From: litalex at slashyalex.com (Alexandra Y. Kwan) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 09:27:04 -0800 Subject: [LMB] Re: Be careful what you wish for & another answer (not OT) In-Reply-To: <20021104.001000.6141.327464@webmail3.wlv.untd.com> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20021105091822.00b7fa98@slashyalex.com> Hello, At 12:09 AM 11/4/2002, carbonelle at juno.com wrote: >What do you suppose MILES would choose? Esp. if I specify >that stupid is tightly defined = low brainpower (both >wisdom and knowledge possible)? A younger Miles (See, "the >devil I know") would certainly have chosen misery. But >an OLDER Miles, having drunk deeply from the cup of settled >happiness AND having nearly cost himself his joy with a >too-clever stratagem, might be inclined (tempted?) to >choose stupidity. I would disagree. I think he'd choose brainpower over happiness, thinking that with enough brainpower, he can somehow will himself into happiness. But there's no way to will brainpower out of "stupid" happiness. Anyhow, if he were stupid (*and* his body the way it is), he would never have lasted long enough to this point of his life. And while he might dislike his own cleverness at times, he would never dislike his wisdom, since he'd earned it at so high a price. And me, I'd definitely choose being smart over being happy, because, well, I don't want to imagine my own self being stupid. little Alex --------________--------________-------- From lqmiller at iqcisp.com Tue Nov 5 17:26:50 2002 From: lqmiller at iqcisp.com (Louann Miller) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 11:26:50 -0600 Subject: [LMB] 0T: House Ideas? In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021105144600.00affa28@pop.luna.co.uk> References: <200211051202.MAA05629@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20021105111928.00afb420@mail.iqcisp.com> At 02:57 PM 11/5/2002 +0000, James M. BRYANT, G4CLF wrote: >Does anyone have any inputs of things >to do and not to do when designing a house? >[No, Louann, I would NEVER get permission >for a dome, alas, they're too conservative >around here.] There's another building style which involves concrete walls and integral insulation but which produces a standard-looking home. Will attempt to google for what it's called... (one web search later) Ahah. Insulating/Insulated Concrete Forms. "Insulated" seems to be the preferred terminology. Will not reproduce whole search but merely a small sample of entries. an association http://www.icfweb.com/ an article http://www.askbuild.com/cgi-bin/column?221 I don't know how available this might be in the UK, but thought it might be interesting. >It goes without saying that there WILL be >a library. Of course; you're a civilized man. Louann, just back from road trip staying in various wood-frame buildings. It keeps getting _colder_ inside, especially at night, until the heater comes on and then when the heater shuts off it starts getting colder again. Weird. --------________--------________-------- From mamandel at Filker.Org Tue Nov 5 18:51:05 2002 From: mamandel at Filker.Org (Mark A. Mandel) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:51:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [LMB] OT: Halloween bragging rights In-Reply-To: <200210311730.g9VHUrTN007321@im2.sec.tds.net> Message-ID: (Catching up to 600+ messages, mostly by going down the subject list (sorted by subject), Tag Tag Tag Tag Tag Tag Tag Tag Tag Tag Tag Tag Tag Tag Tag Tag Tag Tag Tag Tag Tag Tag Tag Tag Tag Tag Tag Tag Tag Tag Tag Tag Tag Tag Tag Tag ... hmm, read that one .... Tag Tag Tag Tag Tag Tag Tag Tag Tag Tag Tag Tag Tag Tag Tag Tag Delete-Tagged-Messages.) I'm supposed to be a Responsible Type now, a Research Administrator no less. But I couldn't let the day pass unmarked (so to speak), so I bought a little cheap kiddie makeup and gave myself big red devil eyebrows. -- Mark M. --------________--------________-------- From mamandel at Filker.Org Tue Nov 5 18:57:44 2002 From: mamandel at Filker.Org (Mark A. Mandel) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:57:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: [LMB] OT: Okay, ya like my wierd web sites... In-Reply-To: <20021104023513.11967.qmail@web13906.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 3 Nov 2002, Tina Geyer wrote: #--- Royce Day wrote: #> ...well here's one I managed to find all by my #> lonesome, detailing the strange, odd world of the #humble traffic cone. #> #> http://www.kibo.com/photos/cones_2/ #> # #That makes me really regret not having a camera with #me when I was wandering around Edinburgh a couple of #years ago and saw a traffic cone balanced on the head #of a statue of Hume. To my great disappointment, when #I came back later, with camera, the cone was gone. Kibo is a long-established Web God. He also is on the staff at my home ISP, Software Tool and Die, the world's oldest ISP. But he hasn't been adding to that page for years. A couple years ago in Chicago I took a picture looking down from an overpass (into Lincoln Park) onto a roof that had a cone on it, scanned it, and sent it to him. He never used it. -- Mark M. --------________--------________-------- From tinne at eskimo.com Tue Nov 5 18:09:38 2002 From: tinne at eskimo.com (Susan Profit) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:09:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LMB] Hippo Birdies Message-ID: To Debra Fran Baker who has the infinite good sense to share a birthday with my much loved and admired mother, and to Paige Kalika: Hippo Birdies! May your hearts be filled with great joy and wonderment, may you never want, may your hearths always be filled with warmth and contentment and may your families and bosses ever realize how incredible you are. Susan in Seattle --------________--------________-------- From mamandel at Filker.Org Tue Nov 5 19:14:32 2002 From: mamandel at Filker.Org (Mark A. Mandel) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:14:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: [LMB] You might be Vor if... In-Reply-To: <20021103223111.A27698@elaine.furryape.com> Message-ID: ... "signed in blood" is not a figure of speech to you. -- Mark M. --------________--------________-------- From rparks at lvhot.org Tue Nov 5 19:25:38 2002 From: rparks at lvhot.org (Robert Parks) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 11:25:38 -0800 Subject: [LMB] 0T: House Ideas? References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021105144600.00affa28@pop.luna.co.uk> Message-ID: <3DC81B32.5050100@lvhot.org> James M. BRYANT, G4CLF wrote: > if I > submit a full, rather than an outline, > plan with my application. This is > expensive, and if I just ask an > architect to supply a plan he'll > pull one out of a drawer where he > keeps 'em against such need and it > will not have a library or anything > else which I might consider necessary. Ugh. > So I am preparing a design of my own > before I even hire an architect so > that he can make over my plan to meet > regulations rather than try and force > me to use one of the pre-designed ones > by claiming that all my ideas infringe > something. Boring. > Does anyone have any inputs of things > to do and not to do when designing a house? Oh yes! But I'm going to fall over if I don't go for breakfast. Agnes adds: A few points having to do with regional, or in the case of James' point of view, colonial building practices. Anyway. Depends a lot on what you want to spend, how many people it will accomodate (peak and err, resting), what you want to do in it...and of course, the site. OK. A field. I'm assuming it is more or less level, I prefer some terrain (lots is good), but anyway. And no trees, except maybe around the edges. And somehow, I don't see James wanting an estate looking building. But neither something that indicates that the Designer had an Idea. The actual method of construction and exterior appearance is not terribly important (here), and is a matter of the God-Emperor\\\\\\\\\\\Governor General's preference. So, functional space, what I would like to see if I was doing this. Lop off the bits that don't appeal or don't apply. Ground level shop (carpentry etc.), covered parking (carport or garage), usable and accessible storage space, utility space. Patio/deck, Study/office, Workroom/project/hobby space, Open-bright living room (w/ media area), kitchen/dining space (I'm not going to advise James on this, I'll ask him if it happens to me), Library with possibly hidden access to a possibly hidden spiral staircase with access to all levels. Some sort of (hidden) hideaway space, bedroom, guest bedroom, associated facilities, a plentitude of closet and dressing space, skylights and some sort of roof access/widow's walk. Having space behind some walls for access to house utilities would be good/secret passages. Accomodating "green" enviromental regulation, solar water heat, photovoltaics or at least house battery backup. Garden, greenhouse, outdoor hot tub. Robert --------________--------________-------- From joasia at fandom.art.pl Tue Nov 5 20:05:24 2002 From: joasia at fandom.art.pl (Jo'Asia) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 21:05:24 +0100 Subject: [LMB] 0T: House Ideas? In-Reply-To: <3DC81B32.5050100@lvhot.org> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021105144600.00affa28@pop.luna.co.uk> <3DC81B32.5050100@lvhot.org> Message-ID: <1424131013.20021105210524@galaxy.uci.agh.edu.pl> My comconsole brought me this letter from Robert Parks: > Library with possibly hidden access to a possibly hidden spiral > staircase with access to all levels. Why do I see something like the library from "The Name of the Rose"? 8) And I would have a *terrible* dilemma. I always wanted a room in a small turret or something - like in the _Anne of Windy Willows_. But the house has to be rather big or turret ould look stupid... ObBujold - Don;'t forget a place for private comconsole. And a box near the oven for kittens. Jo'Asia -- __.-=-. joasia at fandom.art.pl Joanna Slupek .-=-.__ --<()> http://bujold.fantastyka.net/ http://esensja.pl/ <()>-- .__.'| ...................................................... |'.__. This novel wasn't released - it escaped! --------________--------________-------- From tinne at eskimo.com Tue Nov 5 20:06:12 2002 From: tinne at eskimo.com (Susan Profit) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:06:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LMB] Re: James' New House In-Reply-To: <200211051811.SAA07545@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: Bill's dream house has always been an insulated warehouse with floor to ceiling bookshelves for the front half and a workshop for the back half, with a modest house and fabulous kitchen and pantry next to it. Other than a greenhouse and garden, with a loft over the workshop ofr my sewing and lacework, that seems about right to me. Although you might want to have the ham radio set-up in the loft instead of the sewing area. Susan in Seattle --------________--------________-------- From jabrwok at mail.utexas.edu Tue Nov 5 20:09:59 2002 From: jabrwok at mail.utexas.edu (Jason Bontrager) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 14:09:59 -0600 Subject: [LMB] 0T: House Ideas? References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021105144600.00affa28@pop.luna.co.uk> <3DC81B32.5050100@lvhot.org> <1424131013.20021105210524@galaxy.uci.agh.edu.pl> Message-ID: <3DC82597.6790DE3B@mail.utexas.edu> Jo'Asia wrote: > And I would have a *terrible* dilemma. I always wanted a room in a small turret > or something - like in the _Anne of Windy Willows_. But the house has to be > rather big or turret ould look stupid... Nah, just build a fat tower and live in that! Jason B. --------________--------________-------- From rparks at lvhot.org Tue Nov 5 20:22:05 2002 From: rparks at lvhot.org (Robert Parks) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 12:22:05 -0800 Subject: [LMB] 0T: House Ideas? References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021105144600.00affa28@pop.luna.co.uk> <3DC81B32.5050100@lvhot.org> <1424131013.20021105210524@galaxy.uci.agh.edu.pl> Message-ID: <3DC8286D.7050107@lvhot.org> Jo'Asia wrote: > And I would have a *terrible* dilemma. I always wanted a room in a > small turret or something - like in the _Anne of Windy Willows_. But > the house has to be rather big or turret ould look stupid... Have that, love it. http://lvhot.org/sf-tunnels/0209171448-1378McA.htm My bed is in the one with windows, the other one is the hiding place. Robert -- "I have never reread a book for its plot or ideas but reread to visit with friends again." - Lois McMaster Bujold --------________--------________-------- From rparks at lvhot.org Tue Nov 5 20:24:46 2002 From: rparks at lvhot.org (Robert Parks) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 12:24:46 -0800 Subject: [LMB] 0T: House Ideas? References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021105144600.00affa28@pop.luna.co.uk> <3DC81B32.5050100@lvhot.org> <1424131013.20021105210524@galaxy.uci.agh.edu.pl> <3DC82597.6790DE3B@mail.utexas.edu> Message-ID: <3DC8290E.9010209@lvhot.org> Jason Bontrager wrote: > Jo'Asia wrote: >>And I would have a *terrible* dilemma. I always wanted a room in a small turret >>or something - like in the _Anne of Windy Willows_. But the house has to be >>rather big or turret ould look stupid... > Nah, just build a fat tower and live in that! But that is a completely different look and feel. What she wants is this: http://lvhot.org/sf-tunnels/0209171508-Scott-Fulton-N.htm But she is going to have to get in line behind me. Robert --------________--------________-------- From jabrwok at mail.utexas.edu Tue Nov 5 20:28:21 2002 From: jabrwok at mail.utexas.edu (Jason Bontrager) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 14:28:21 -0600 Subject: [LMB] 0T: House Ideas? References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021105144600.00affa28@pop.luna.co.uk> <3DC81B32.5050100@lvhot.org> <1424131013.20021105210524@galaxy.uci.agh.edu.pl> <3DC82597.6790DE3B@mail.utexas.edu> <3DC8290E.9010209@lvhot.org> Message-ID: <3DC829E5.6934BB03@mail.utexas.edu> Robert Parks wrote: > But that is a completely different look and feel. > > What she wants is this: > > http://lvhot.org/sf-tunnels/0209171508-Scott-Fulton-N.htm She could build something like: http://www.follies.btinternet.co.uk/paxton2.jpg only, you know, smaller:-). Or, if she has less grandiose ambitions, there's always stuff like: http://www.wvec.k12.in.us/canaltrek/architecture/turret.jpg Jason B. --------________--------________-------- From joasia at fandom.art.pl Tue Nov 5 20:52:20 2002 From: joasia at fandom.art.pl (Jo'Asia) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 21:52:20 +0100 Subject: [LMB] 0T: House Ideas? In-Reply-To: <3DC829E5.6934BB03@mail.utexas.edu> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021105144600.00affa28@pop.luna.co.uk> <3DC81B32.5050100@lvhot.org> <1424131013.20021105210524@galaxy.uci.agh.edu.pl> <3DC82597.6790DE3B@mail.utexas.edu> <3DC8290E.9010209@lvhot.org> <3DC829E5.6934BB03@mail.utexas.edu> Message-ID: <626946740.20021105215220@galaxy.uci.agh.edu.pl> My comconsole brought me this letter from Jason Bontrager: > Robert Parks wrote: >> But that is a completely different look and feel. >> What she wants is this: >> http://lvhot.org/sf-tunnels/0209171508-Scott-Fulton-N.htm Close, but not quite. > She could build something like: > http://www.follies.btinternet.co.uk/paxton2.jpg > only, you know, smaller:-). Thats close too - the turret should be round, not square. And the house made of brick. But more windows. Unfortunately in last 20 years there was a sudden explosion of new houses in Poland and a lot of them was a great castle- or palace-like buildings on a tiny piece of ground (5 meters from the wall to the fence was a lot of place), with turrets and all that stuff. They are known as "gargamels". And every building with a turret would be probalby automatically counted as one. I think it would be easier to find an old one with right proportions and everything. The only problem is money to buy it... Jo'Asia -- __.-=-. joasia at fandom.art.pl Joanna Slupek .-=-.__ --<()> http://bujold.fantastyka.net/ http://esensja.pl/ <()>-- .__.'| ...................................................... |'.__. Nothing is fool-proof to a sufficiently talented fool. --------________--------________-------- From lorrainenfletez at hotmail.com Tue Nov 5 20:53:20 2002 From: lorrainenfletez at hotmail.com (lorraine fletez-brant) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 13:53:20 -0700 Subject: [LMB] OT: House Ideas? Message-ID: Robert Parks wrote: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 12:22:05 -0800 >Jo'Asia wrote: >>And I would have a *terrible* dilemma. I always wanted a room in a >>small turret or something - like in the _Anne of Windy Willows_. But >>the house has to be rather big or turret ould look stupid... >Have that, love it. >http://lvhot.org/sf-tunnels/0209171448-1378McA.htm >My bed is in the one with windows, the other one is the hiding place. Am I the only one thinking Rapunzel here? Lorraine _________________________________________________________________ Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp --------________--------________-------- From mike at dendarii.co.uk Tue Nov 5 20:37:49 2002 From: mike at dendarii.co.uk (Michael Bernardi) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 02 20:37:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [LMB] TorCon Message-ID: <30821.mike@dendarii.co.uk> I've done it! I just took out a membership over the web using my credit card. Now I have to find the air fare, and the hotel and the book buying funds and eating money and..... Mike Checkout the new butterbugs at -- The Lois McMaster Bujold FanArt Archive can now be found at:- http://www.dendarii.co.uk/FanArt/ --------________--------________-------- From tinne at eskimo.com Tue Nov 5 21:10:55 2002 From: tinne at eskimo.com (Susan Profit) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:10:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LMB] OT: Georgette Heyer and Bill Message-ID: Last night as Bill was sorting through several junk drawers and boxes, I read him one of the slapstick episodes involving a highwayman and several young men of good intention. Bill was howling. He asked for another, so I read him a section from another novel about a rather large dog visiting a park and the aftermath. A much longer passage, he was snickering and laughing and grinning all the way through. When he was done he said "She not only has a good sense of pace and human frailties, but she has spent time with dogs, cows and eager young men. Are you going to buy more?" Good recommendation, thank you all. Susan in Seattle --------________--------________-------- From pouncer at myrealbox.com Tue Nov 5 21:26:36 2002 From: pouncer at myrealbox.com (Pouncer) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 15:26:36 -0600 Subject: [LMB] houses ot: Message-ID: <1036531596.c9151f00pouncer@myrealbox.com> James M. BRYANT, G4CLF >Does anyone have any inputs of things >to do and not to do when designing a house? Of course, on this list you will get a great many recommendations to: read a book first! _Mr Blandings Builds His Dream House_ for starters. A bit unliberated regarding what makes women happy (or not) with their houses, but otherwise timeless. Or get the movie: the Cary Grant version, not the Tom Hanks. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0897332458/qid=1036529966/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-6741900-1877445?v=glance Then there is Rex Robert's _Engineered House_ in any of several editions. His story about transplanting the tree THREE times to get it right exemplifies the approach. Some of the techniques are, (again, *sigh*) dated, but the methodology of thinking about the problem is, also, again) timeless. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0871314983/qid=1036529669/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-6741900-1877445?v=glance Dick Francis's _Decider_, has as the hero a guy who refurbishes ruins. Good notions about houses in general. (I _covet_ the bus-yacht described in that book.) http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0515116173/qid=1036530754/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-6741900-1877445?v=glance For myself, I would insist on a cellar. About six times the recommended amount of insulation. (Unless the recommendation was from Amory Lovins, in which case the factor to apply would be one-half.) A "mud-porch" at a back or side door with a shower head next to the overhead light and a floor drain next to the welcome mat. A front porch sufficient to hang a bench swing and a hammock. A detached garage to be reached via a drive through the porte-cochere. An interior courtyard/patio arrangement for barbeque and picnic dining. (Thinking about it, I'd design the porches FIRST and start enclosing rooms only for stuff that can't be comfortably done in the fresh air. Like, you know, hiding in the cellar during a tornado.) Hmm. Begins to sound like the house Lazarus Long designed in _Time Enough For Love_... Probably means it's time to re-examine some of those knee-jerk pro-porch notions. I'd like to get a crew of three or more fourth- year architect students to compete on the design -- a laundry list of desired features and constraints; several viewpoints on how those should be reconciled and optimized against one another. The winner gets the commission immediately upon graduation. Probably this is in violation of some architect's union schemes... Ah well. Good luck, and have fun dreaming. --------________--------________-------- From icewolf010 at earthlink.net Tue Nov 5 21:46:55 2002 From: icewolf010 at earthlink.net (Icewolf) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:46:55 -0500 Subject: [LMB] 0T: House Ideas? References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021105144600.00affa28@pop.luna.co.uk> <3DC81B32.5050100@lvhot.org> <1424131013.20021105210524@galaxy.uci.agh.edu.pl> Message-ID: <009301c28514$dce9dfb0$3ea79840@Ivanova> Jo'Asia wrote: > And I would have a *terrible* dilemma. I always wanted a room in a > small turret or something - like in the _Anne of Windy Willows_. Erk! I think the Anne book you're referring to is _Anne of Windy Poplars_. -Lyn, having disconcerting visions of redheaded toads --------________--------________-------- From carbonelle at juno.com Tue Nov 5 21:58:15 2002 From: carbonelle at juno.com (carbonelle at juno.com) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 21:58:15 GMT Subject: [LMB] Re: Politcal Stupidity OT: Message-ID: <20021105.135915.530.91606@webmail1.wlv.untd.com> Paula S. writes that she: "believes in dignity, especially when the subject is the holder of [a v. high] office " I deeply applaud your restraint during the previous eight years. Kirsten Edwards "My lips have no discipline." kirstedw at kcls.org --Knocked out by my Nunga-nungas ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com --------________--------________-------- From joasia at fandom.art.pl Tue Nov 5 22:36:29 2002 From: joasia at fandom.art.pl (Jo'Asia) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 23:36:29 +0100 Subject: [LMB] 0T: House Ideas? In-Reply-To: <009301c28514$dce9dfb0$3ea79840@Ivanova> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021105144600.00affa28@pop.luna.co.uk> <3DC81B32.5050100@lvhot.org> <1424131013.20021105210524@galaxy.uci.agh.edu.pl> <009301c28514$dce9dfb0$3ea79840@Ivanova> Message-ID: <2233193261.20021105233629@galaxy.uci.agh.edu.pl> My comconsole brought me this letter from Icewolf: > Erk! I think the Anne book you're referring to is _Anne of Windy Poplars_. Yes. What a stupid braino. I've checked the original title and then wrote the other one... 8) Jo'Asia -- __.-=-. joasia at fandom.art.pl Joanna Slupek .-=-.__ --<()> http://bujold.fantastyka.net/ http://esensja.pl/ <()>-- .__.'| ...................................................... |'.__. It was recently discovered that research causes cancer in rats. --------________--------________-------- From johnbartley3 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 5 22:49:36 2002 From: johnbartley3 at yahoo.com (John Bartley ) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:49:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LMB] Re: 0T: House Ideas? In-Reply-To: <200211051811.SAA07545@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <20021105224936.39288.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Happy to help. Naught's too good for the gent who introduced us to the joys of Patak's & Patel's little glass jars of Wonderful Stuff. Other ideas you may find useful: Construction: Cob AKA 'monolithic adobe' or steel-framed straw bale. Both cheap with absurdly high insulation factors. http://www.naturalbuilder.com/materials.html HVAC: Ground source heat pump. Drill a pair of small-bore wells and use the 50-68 degree F heat sink of the up stream in a heat pump; return the used water downn the other well. Heat pumps are ver efficient when the heat sink is close to your target temp, and 68F is much closer to desirable than outside air normally is. If you're on bedrock and drilling is too spendy, the heat sink can be a buried loop of water pipe. Recover the waste heat in summer into the water heater. http://www.pillartopost.com/techtalk/info18b.html http://energyoutlet.com/res/heatpump/gshp.html Wiring: Run Cat5E cabling throughout the entire house in conduit, leaving a drop along with two pairs of 22 ga for telephone and coax for viddy. Pull every run to a service panel in basement or utility room near where the utilities will come it. If you have stout walls, then post-construction cabling would be ugly and this avoids such. Also, 200 amp panel is a miniumum if there will be any significiant e-geekage. Put a surge protector which exceeds the US UL 1449 standard on the panel so your entire house's digerati are protected from surges. Many small surges have a cumulative effect equivalent to one large surge and surges are the primary causes of electronics failures. 73s, John Bartley K7AAY Portland OR, USA > Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 14:57:07 +0000 > To: lois-bujold at lists.herald.co.uk > From: "James M. BRYANT, G4CLF" > Subject: [LMB] 0T: House Ideas? > Reply-To: lois-bujold at lists.herald.co.uk > > I own a field which has been in the family for a long time. It > presently contains some horses (not mine). > > For many years it has been zoned as agricultural and there has not been > a prayer of building on it, but the law has recently changed and I may > be in there with a chance - if I submit a full, rather than an outline, > plan with my application. This is expensive, and if I just ask an > architect to supply a plan he'll pull one out of a drawer where he > keeps 'em against such need and it will not have a library or anything > else which I might consider necessary. > > So I am preparing a design of my own before I even hire an architect so > that he can make over my plan to meet regulations rather than try and > force me to use one of the pre-designed ones by claiming that all my > ideas infringe something. > > Does anyone have any inputs of things to do and not to do when > designing a house? [No, Louann, I would NEVER get permission > for a dome, alas, they're too conservative around here.] > > It goes without saying that there WILL be a library. > > James - about-to-be householder who right > now fills in forms "Lives with parent" __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! 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References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021105144600.00affa28@pop.luna.co.uk> Message-ID: <3DC84B96.916D697C@erols.com> Best suggestions I can give you: http://www.taunton.com/finehomebuilding/index.asp good luck! --------________--------________-------- From kappainfometrics5 at attbi.com Tue Nov 5 23:17:09 2002 From: kappainfometrics5 at attbi.com (Jill Wyrtham) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:17:09 -0700 Subject: [LMB] Laser shoots down artillery shell Message-ID: <000901c28521$777d23a0$9e19fea9@attbi.com> http://www.msnbc.com/news/831012.asp?0na=x2215As2- [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of Laser shoots down artillery shell.url] --------________--------________-------- From kappainfometrics5 at attbi.com Tue Nov 5 23:18:44 2002 From: kappainfometrics5 at attbi.com (Jill Wyrtham) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:18:44 -0700 Subject: [LMB] ST builds chips for gene detection - Tech News - CNET.com Message-ID: <001301c28521$af909ba0$9e19fea9@attbi.com> http://msnbc-cnet.com.com/2100-1001-964616.html?type=pt&part=msnbc&tag=alert &form=feed&subj=cnetnews [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of ST builds chips for gene detection - Tech News - CNET.com.url] --------________--------________-------- From lynette.jagoda at pnl.gov Tue Nov 5 23:23:24 2002 From: lynette.jagoda at pnl.gov (Jagoda, Lynette K) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 15:23:24 -0800 Subject: [LMB] Mike at TorCon!! Message-ID: Mike said in regards to TorCon: >I've done it! I just took out a membership ---- Yea, whooo hoooo!!!! =-) >Now I have to find the air fare, and the hotel and the book buying funds and eating money and..... --- Well I can't help with airfare, but as you are one of the wonderful people who helped make this list (that has enriched my life beyond description) possible the very least I owe you is a good meal!! So in your "eating money" calculations consider at least one of your meals to be taken care of. We can work out the details closer to the actual event. Besides that ensures I get to meet you. ;-) A bargain for me all around. Just as an aside, we really need to do something nice for Mel sometime. She isn't even a Lois fan. We owe her lots. Any ideas? >Checkout the new butterbugs at ---- Ohhh pretty!!! =-) Lynette <---- Bouncy about TorCon even if it is still almost a year away.... (would you believe I have never been to any Con of any kind ever?) --------________--------________-------- From m.dolbear at lineone.net Tue Nov 5 23:06:32 2002 From: m.dolbear at lineone.net (Michael R N Dolbear) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 23:06:32 -0000 Subject: [LMB] 0T: House Ideas? Message-ID: > From: James M. BRYANT, G4CLF > Date: 05 November 2002 14:57 > [...] > > So I am preparing a design of my own > before I even hire an architect so > that he can make over my plan to meet > regulations rather than try and force > me to use one of the pre-designed ones > by claiming that all my ideas infringe > something. > > Does anyone have any inputs of things > to do and not to do when designing a house? > [No, Louann, I would NEVER get permission > for a dome, alas, they're too conservative > around here.] > > It goes without saying that there WILL be > a library. My suggestion is that you get hold of some plans for self builders and such. A neighbour had a timber frame (as in Canada or Sweden, not a log cabin) built and was provided with a set of standard plans which could be altered within wide limits subject to the standard panel sizes, but was promised to conform to all regulations, have the same insurance rates as a brick house and so forth. Google found me http://www.christiantorsten.com/mainframe.html which included an example client who got the cellar he wanted (for storing peasants and wine no doubt). Given these example you can go to design with some ideas as to what you don't want and "two of those side-by-side, two floors high with stained glass windows". The only thing my neigbour got wrong was the kitchen. His wife was only a little taller than Miles and found it far too large. Similarly the "straw bale" and "green" houses may have useful designs plus there may be house design software like Ekaterin's virtual gardem. -- Little Egret, who has a duplex apartment, in spite of living in England. --------________--------________-------- From rparks at lvhot.org Tue Nov 5 23:51:59 2002 From: rparks at lvhot.org (Robert Parks) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 15:51:59 -0800 Subject: [LMB] Mike at TorCon!! References: Message-ID: <3DC8599F.401@lvhot.org> Jagoda, Lynette K wrote: > --- Well I can't help with airfare, but as you (Michael Bernardi) are one of the wonderful > people who helped make this list (that has enriched my life beyond > description) possible the very least I owe you is a good meal!! So in your > "eating money" calculations consider at least one of your meals to be taken > care of. We can work out the details closer to the actual event. Besides > that ensures I get to meet you. ;-) A bargain for me all around. Wahoo! 300 day planning. I promised myself I'd not start messing with this til I get stuff posted about my recent trip. I better get my ass in gear. > Just as an aside, we really need to do something nice for Mel sometime. She > isn't even a Lois fan. We owe her lots. Any ideas? I second that, but have no knowledge of her preferences or weaknesses. >>Checkout the new butterbugs at Who has silver and black? Saw shiny black bug hairclips with small non-colored sparklies on their wing covers. The brown ones had gold sparklies...darn! > Lynette <---- Bouncy about TorCon even if it is still almost a year away.... > (would you believe I have never been to any Con of any kind ever?) Yes, I'd believe that. That was me two months ago. I recommend being more connected than I was...the first day or two were quieter than I hoped. It got better though. And Trinoc was very good, but the concentration of listies was *much* higher there. Robert --------________--------________-------- From jabrwok at mail.utexas.edu Wed Nov 6 02:07:27 2002 From: jabrwok at mail.utexas.edu (Jason Bontrager) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 18:07:27 -0800 Subject: [LMB] [OT:] (WAY, OT:-) Netscape Messenger Help Message-ID: <3DC8795F.E054E4A5@mail.utexas.edu> Well, someone got Eudora help here, so I thought I'd ask. My Netscape Messenger (version 4.7) utility is mis-timed. That is, when I receive mail, the 'date' field shows a time 2 hours earlier than it actually is. If I receive a message at 4:00, Messenger says I got it at 2:00. My Eudora doesn't do this. I've looked for a 'clock' or 'time' or 'date' control in 'preferences' and come up dry. My computer's clock is set correctly, so I'm stumped. Can any of you kind folks tell me how to fix this? Thanks. Jason B. --------________--------________-------- From kknolte at ecity.net Wed Nov 6 02:02:27 2002 From: kknolte at ecity.net (K Kuhn) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 20:02:27 -0600 Subject: [LMB] Future Book Wishes OT: References: <200210310723.HAA26986@lists.herald.co.uk> <5.0.2.1.0.20021031081105.00afb380@mail.iqcisp.com> Message-ID: <3DC8782F.21E7@ecity.net> A new Master Li and #10 Ox book, by Barry Hughart. Heck, I'd even settle for a short story. Karen --------________--------________-------- From 17catherines at wildmail.com Thu Nov 7 01:04:23 2002 From: 17catherines at wildmail.com (Catherine OShea) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:04:23 -1300 Subject: [LMB] Re: OT: Telephone solicitations & pollies Message-ID: <191B226290BD2754A9028CA5E454441C@17catherines.wildmail.com> Paula Sanch reports: >My phone rang this evening. It was President >Bush. Or a recording of his voice, at any rate. >I don't know when I've been so furious. And it seems a truly appropriate time to wish our UK friends a Happy Guy Fawkes Day! Love, Catherine (who got to go to a proper Guy Fawkes bonfire for the first time since she was 6 last night... still think Fawkes was onto something, however....) Keep Air Smoke Free - Deadline: Nov 5th http://www.care2.com/go/z/cleanair --------________--------________-------- From johnbartley3 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 6 01:14:52 2002 From: johnbartley3 at yahoo.com (John Bartley ) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:14:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LMB] Re: [OT] House In-Reply-To: <200211052349.XAA09146@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <20021106011452.71620.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> > From: "Pouncer" > To: lois-bujold at lists.herald.co.uk > Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 15:26:36 -0600 > Subject: [LMB] houses ot: > Reply-To: lois-bujold at lists.herald.co.uk > > James M. BRYANT, G4CLF > > >Does anyone have any inputs of things > >to do and not to do when designing a house? Now, the serious question, is building the Ham Shack... where to put the 3KW generator, the propane tank, the 80m loop antenna, the tower for the 20m rotatable quads and the array of dishes for E-M-E (Earth-Moon-Earth). Which leads to the serious question; what's the budget? ===== -- John E. Bartley, III - K7AAY telcom admin, Portland OR, USA - Views are mine. http://www.viewreviews.com/vp.php?id=6 Review of SPH-i300 http://palmwireless.cjb.net Wireless FAQ for PalmOS(R) This post is quad-ROT13 encrypted. Reading it is a violation of the DMCA. 'The Republic will always be in danger so long as the soldier has a rifle and the worker has none.' - Engels __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ --------________--------________-------- From gregeh at microsoft.com Wed Nov 6 01:19:23 2002 From: gregeh at microsoft.com (Greg Ehrig) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:19:23 -0800 Subject: [LMB] Laser shoots down artillery shell Message-ID: <4DBFF73E8DB1DD4EBCE8E69EC30FF4E30245C1AB@red-msg-12.redmond .corp.microsoft.com> Thanks to all in advance for my obsessing over military technology for a moment: Originally posted to an internal company newsgroup. It's kind of amazing that you could take down an arty shell with a laser tho. That must be a really powerful laser system. (I suppose it would have to be -- you can actually see it in the photo) ... (other post deleted) Yeah, it had to have been an HE round. The thing is tho, mortar rounds are much more deadly than arty rounds because they have much more explosive packed into them. Something like half of an arty shell is iron, because the arty shell is fired much faster (flat, spinning trajectory) than a motar round is. Otherwise, the round squashes in the barrel of the gun. It occurs to me tho, that this is the death knell for tacair if this was an actual arty round that they hit. Any laser that powerful could bring down any plane in visual range, and with decent sensors it could also be all weather/all altitude (though somewhat degraded) Unless the air force boys can counter this somehow, and I don't see how except for going more and more stealthy -- which is ultimately a dead end -- the air force and the navy's carriers are going to be out of a job. If it was an arty round, then a ground based laser could burn through the atmosphere and still have enough juice to disable a ballistic missile. If it can be produced cheaply enough, then it removes the redlegs from the battle. Most people don't know this, but arty accounted for something like 80% of the combat casualties in WWII. If this report is true, then there is going to be a REAL 'revolution in military affairs'. Come to think of it, this would be the kind of technological revolution that could change the relative power of states. Like the introduction of cheap muskets allowed the transition from small professional armies in the 17th century to the large nation at arms concept that went from the late 17th - mid 20th century. Or something like a mounted knight looking at a crossbow for the first time. -----Original Message----- From: Jill Wyrtham [mailto:kappainfometrics5 at attbi.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:17 PM To: lois-bujold at lists.herald.co.uk Cc: Alex Subject: [LMB] Laser shoots down artillery shell http://www.msnbc.com/news/831012.asp?0na=x2215As2- --------________--------________-------- From gregeh at microsoft.com Wed Nov 6 01:39:55 2002 From: gregeh at microsoft.com (Greg Ehrig) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:39:55 -0800 Subject: [LMB] Laser shoots down artillery shell Message-ID: <4DBFF73E8DB1DD4EBCE8E69EC30FF4E3057325A7@red-msg-12.redmond .corp.microsoft.com> More. I love google. From an RFI from three years ago: http://www.fbodaily.com/cbd/archive/1999/06(June)/14-Jun-1999/Asol009.ht m MTHEL-K is explained as the Korea specific version. Notice in the RFI the author carefully avoids mentioning utilization against manned aircraft. ...demonstrator through the mobile THEL for Israel (MTHEL-I, see below). The MTHEL-K should have the capability to defeat large initial salvos of artillery rockets, some of which may have chemical or bacteriological warheads. The MTHEL-K should also have the capability to defeat massed artillery initial salvos with conventional HE warheads. MTHEL-K will provide requisite firepower within minimal response time. MTHEL-K will be integrated with the BMC4I, associated radars, and sensors used in Korea. MTHEL-K is envisioned as a pathfinder for a future Enhanced Counter Air Capability (ECAC) objective directed energy affector. .... ECAC OBJECTIVE NOTIONAL SYSTEM DESCRIPTION: ECAC is envisioned to be a system of systems that may incorporate both directed energy and kinetic energy affectors, as well as future BMC4I elements,to defeat a broad spectrum of aerial threats to U.S. forces, including artillery rockets, artillery rounds, mortar rounds, and unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs). The ECAC system of systems must have the characteristics of: transportability, including intratheater transportability by C-130 aircraft; mobility compatible with maneuver forces within theater; rapid employment of firepower; simultaneous tracking of very large numbers of targets; simultaneous engagement and defeat of multiple targets; incorporation of advanced logistics technologies and techniques to assure both high operational availability and minimum cost of ownership; and full integration of all directed and kinetic energy affectors on the battlefield through extensive BMC4I. ... The MTHEL-I IOC is expected by 2005. The MTHEL-K IOC is expected by 2007. The ECAC objective directed energy and kinetic energy affector IOC is to be achieved by 2015. -----Original Message----- From: Jill Wyrtham [mailto:kappainfometrics5 at attbi.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:17 PM To: lois-bujold at lists.herald.co.uk Cc: Alex Subject: [LMB] Laser shoots down artillery shell http://www.msnbc.com/news/831012.asp?0na=x2215As2- [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of Laser shoots down artillery shell.url] -- Lois-Bujold mailing list Lois-Bujold at lists.herald.co.uk http://lists.herald.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/lois-bujold --------________--------________-------- From bkemper at bigdogz.com Wed Nov 6 01:42:15 2002 From: bkemper at bigdogz.com (Bart Kemper) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 19:42:15 -0600 Subject: [LMB] Extremely OT: Political Stupidity (as opposed to?....) References: <200211051202.MAA05633@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <3DC87377.3040005@bigdogz.com> Paula S. wrote: > My phone rang this evening. It was President > Bush. > > > > Or a recording of his voice, at any rate. > > I don't know when I've been so furious. The dignity > of the office has been compromised, at very least. > Eh. I had recorded calls from Gore aimed at my work number and Clinton at my home (plus the odd Dem bigwig) a few times in the last administration plus a LOT of solicitations for money from the Dems. I guess they read my registered political party and throught "Independent" means "no really, I'm playing coy and will come over to their way if they just ask enough." The RNC seems to leave me alone, though. Unfortunately, the President is also the head of his/her party and owes it his best efforts in return for their support. It's not pretty and not as entertaining as, oh, Italy's many parties...but it sure beats some of the alternatives. bart --------________--------________-------- From zafaran at sff.net Wed Nov 6 02:39:05 2002 From: zafaran at sff.net (Patricia A. Swan) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 21:39:05 -0500 Subject: [LMB] OT: Woodstoves In-Reply-To: <3DC7FDD7.2060002@lvhot.org> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20021104185751.00b6ac88@mail.gothic.net.au> <3DC5182F.80842DE9@erols.com> <5.1.1.6.0.20021105040054.00b89978@mail.gothic.net.au> <00f401c28434$9835e570$6601a8c0@rheanet> <3DC6C914.12E947@redmaplegrove.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20021105212356.02b8b9f0@pop3.sff.net> At 09:20 AM 11/5/2002 -0800, Robert Parks wrote: >Heh. Don't try this at home. Shredded Sunday newspaper or two, layer >of pine kindling, coal dust and small coal bits, a little more >kindling >for stability, regular coal, about a cup of gasoline poured over the >top. Close the top door, light from the bottom through the vent, wait >a >few seconds...*WHEEZE*[1] *CHUFF*[2] *chuff* *roar* open the >bottom >door fully *ROAR*[3] wait a bit close the bottom door, but leave the >vent fully open. Top load with a mixture of pine and coal, cackle a >bit, close the vent down, go back in the hosue with the secure >knowledge >that the dull red glow indicates that the stove is well and truly >started. > >Robert > >[1] Mind you, old stove...flames come out of all the cracks and rust >holes. > >[2] Smoke comes out of all the same places plus all the joints in the >flue > >[3] Sometimes flames would come out of the top of the stack. ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! God, you build a fire about like my brother does. The stove in my basement that I'd like upstairs in place of that cookstove has been done like that a time or two--without the gasoline though. 'Sa wonder it's not warped completely out of shape. I actually need to get it pulled out, the ashes washed out of it and hit it with glass beads or navel jelly and see what shape the iron is actually in. It's got a flat top with a couple of lids that can be removed for adding small pieces of wood or the whole top swings to the side for loading larger pieces of wood, so I can cook on it if I have to, but barring something happening to my gas cook stove I shouldn't have to. When mother had the kitchen redone and put the cookstove in she had an electric stove to cook on, but I finally got tired of how slow it cooked because of the constant brown outs and stuff that the local power company was prone to at the time, and I bought a gas stove that is attached to a 100# propane tank. As long as I don't try to use the oven without power (it won't light manually), I'm fine. I do so *badly* want to get rid of that cookstove and get changed over to something that's not this whale plopped in the middle of the kitchen. The one we wound up with didn't have available supplementary shielding available so there is a full three feet between where the flue comes out of the back of the stove and the kitchen wall. I'm sick and tired of the d*mned thing squatting in the middle of the room. :( Pat in North Carolina --------________--------________-------- From tlambs1138 at charter.net Wed Nov 6 02:43:36 2002 From: tlambs1138 at charter.net (Jean Lamb) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:43:36 -0800 Subject: [LMB] Re: Flashman et al References: <200211040204.CAA28871@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <000c01c2853e$4eeac330$9865fea9@Samantha> > Peter Newman-- > How about Flashman and the Draka, Flashman and the Martian Tripods, Flashman > and Dr Moreau, Flashman and Nemo, Flashman and Lord Greystroke, Flashman and > Professor Moriarty, etc. Flashman and the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen?:-). Jason B. --YES! I want to see Mina Harker, er, like whatever her last name is now, take him down a peg. Several pegs. After dealing with Mr. Hyde and having him go 'yes ma'am', she could do it, too Though I really really REALLY would like to see Flashman vs. Miles, film at 11 (like they do for almost all major disasters. See, it's not _totally_ OT). Of course, Miles vs. Anita Blake to find out who's the pushiest shortest person would be fun too (I suspect Mark and Edward might stand off to the sidelines, playing Interesting People We Have Known and Killed). Jean Lamb, tlambs1138 at charter.net "There is no room for the weak and cowardly in shuffleboard!" (Worf, in Star Trek: The Love Boat Generation) --------________--------________-------- From lorrainenfletez at hotmail.com Wed Nov 6 02:49:49 2002 From: lorrainenfletez at hotmail.com (lorraine fletez-brant) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 19:49:49 -0700 Subject: [LMB] holiday/holy days greetings Message-ID: To the UK listees, thanks to Catherine O'Shea I now know it is Guy Fawkes' Day, and I'd like to join her in wishing you a happy one also - don't get too close to the fireworks! To our Muslim listees, it is appropriate with Ramadan estimated to begin tomorrow to wish you a most blessed time of fasting. Lorraine _________________________________________________________________ Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! Try MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp --------________--------________-------- From gnatg at bookcase.com Wed Nov 6 02:50:41 2002 From: gnatg at bookcase.com (Natalie Getzoff) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 21:50:41 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Re: Recognition at Cons In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021105143754.00af00b8@pop.luna.co.uk> References: <200211051202.MAA05629@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <3DC83D31.23285.264FE2A6@localhost> James Bryant: > I suggested formal business clothes. > Which Paula Sanch interpreted as:- Paula Sanch: > >Pin-stripe suits with Gucci loafers > >and faux old school ties?? How would > >we ever get you to wear that, James? James: > I actually meant dark suit and tie. > Since I have a real old school tie I > don't need a faux one. I might still > wear sandals [Did you ever find any > remaindered Birkenstocks, Marna?] but > don't know what a Gucci loafer is. Butbutbut... I saw you in a suit and tie. And shoes, fergoshsakes. At Claudia and Doug's wedding. I was looking for sandals, and almost didn't recognize you for who you are. Cant' say if the tie was an old school one or not, having no clue how to recognize old school ties... Natalie --------________--------________-------- From kappainfometrics5 at attbi.com Wed Nov 6 04:10:45 2002 From: kappainfometrics5 at attbi.com (Jill Wyrtham) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 21:10:45 -0700 Subject: [LMB] Laser shoots down artillery shell References: <4DBFF73E8DB1DD4EBCE8E69EC30FF4E30245C1AB@red-msg-12.redmond .corp.microsoft.com> Message-ID: <001f01c2854a$7ba0b900$9e19fea9@attbi.com> > It occurs to me tho, that this is the death knell for tacair if this was > an actual arty round that they hit. Any laser that powerful could bring > down any plane in visual range, and with decent sensors it could also be > all weather/all altitude (though somewhat degraded) Unless the air > force boys can counter this somehow, and I don't see how except for > going more and more stealthy -- which is ultimately a dead end -- the > air force and the navy's carriers are going to be out of a job. As you said in your google post, that is precisely what they want this puppy for. I think we are looking at a revolution in warfare unlike anything seen before. Please see my comments below. > If it can be produced cheaply enough, then it removes the redlegs from > the battle. Most people don't know this, but arty accounted for > something like 80% of the combat casualties in WWII. If this report is > true, then there is going to be a REAL 'revolution in military affairs'. > Come to think of it, this would be the kind of technological revolution > that could change the relative power of states. Like the introduction > of cheap muskets allowed the transition from small professional armies > in the 17th century to the large nation at arms concept that went from > the late 17th - mid 20th century. > > Or something like a mounted knight looking at a crossbow for the first > time. Nukes put an end to effective sea power in a strategic sense. Although never emphasized even post-USSR, the soviet doctrine called for subs to plant city-busters right in the center of carrier battle groups. The sea swell alone puts them turtle and that's the ball game, plus EMP, then thermal and shockwave. The soviet sea forces were planned as expendable commerce raiders afterward, with orders to plunder foreign ports for supplies rather than return home. But....nukes like that could ONLY be used in a gotterdamerung MAMD scenario, tactically they were worthless! So they had no effect on smaller conflicts like Vietnam or Iraq. THEL, OTOH, is just as deadly, but NOT a world-buster. I envision a fast-attack submarine, THEL equipped as its only weapon. Get in close, surface, point, fire a dozen bursts until the target is neutralized from shock and heat, then pull the THEL inside, dive, and run for it. Remember this isn't a visible light laser in the standard sense as seen in laser tag. It is actually focussing the infrared from an insanely hot explosion using lasing techniques, and is the same system as the MIRACL jobbie down in new mexico that can supposedly smear LEO satellites, scaled down to a set of six semitractor trailer trucks (mainly the strange fuel this thingie burns). Can't envision what could shield against it, I understand it causes surface temps in the 10,000 degree range but that may be wrong (ballpark right tho). By the time the carrier's escorts realize there is a problem, the carrier is burning slag. the other ships are then expensive coast guard cutters, useless in theater terms. Even if you lose the sub it's still cheap at the price! As you say, for tactical air this is the end of the line, which SAM's were supposed to be but weren't. Talk about fire and forget, this is more view and vaporize! Same thing for helos if they can be detected in some way (THEL towers?) Range is apparently miles, so distance buys you nothing. The current design is vulnerable to shattering the projection mirror but that can surely be solved. The tanks go in hardened bunkers underground, so they won't be vulnerable except to a pinpoint penetrator. The trick is for a plane to get in close enough to plant one before turning to sparkling vapor... If artillery goes away, so do scuds and katyushka and all their siblings. Does the machine gun rule the battlefield again? Massed charges like the Somme? Yuck!!! And now think about this thing sweeping across a mass infantry charge! crispy critters, anyone? Tanks, what tanks? you mean those heaps of burning, exploding metal? Damn, this gets worse the more I think about it.... I've always felt that real energy weapons would not work the way any SF presumed, even (blasphemy!) Herself's! Maybe now we'll find out if that's true... I now hope to see more knowledgeable military folk in the listmind debate these points. Remember, I'm a military history and tactics buff with *zero* military experience. Jill *Sig Error 404 -- clever sig not found* --------________--------________-------- From RayLists at quixnet.net Wed Nov 6 04:27:37 2002 From: RayLists at quixnet.net (Ray Drouillard) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 23:27:37 -0500 Subject: [LMB] 0T: House Ideas? References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021105144600.00affa28@pop.luna.co.uk> <1036511265.3dc7e821c2ebf@webmailapp1.cc.utexas.edu> Message-ID: <00f001c2854c$d682cbe0$0200a8c0@ray> From: > Quoting "James M. BRYANT, G4CLF" : > > > Does anyone have any inputs of things > > to do and not to do when designing a house? > > Go to your local library and read back issues of _This Old House_ magazine. > Lots of good ideas there. > > From my wish-list: > > Integral vacuum system (uses tubes in the wall to connect to a central vacuum > motor in basement/utility room/garage/wherever. you just plug the hose into a > wall socket and start sucking up the dirt http://www.builtinvacuum.com/ is an > example) > > Radiant floor heating. Electric heat is expensive. Perhaps you can run hot water pipes under the floor. > Rammed-earth walls (lots of thermal mass). > Cistern and rain-water collection system. > Grey-water recycling (from dishwasher to toilet frex). If you want rammed-earth walls, make the thing circular and put a geodesic dome on top. That way, you will have a very good volume/surface area ratio (which requires less heating and cooling). Otherwise, a straight dome will work well. Personally, I want field stone. I'm not talking about the cut stuff, but the plain old rocks that farmers have to keep picking out of their fields every year. Grow ivy on the house. That way, it is shaded in the summer, but not in the winter. Design the wiring so that it'll be easy to pull new network cable through. Add a really good filter to the ventilation system. Ray --------________--------________-------- From vaughn149 at attbi.com Wed Nov 6 04:33:01 2002 From: vaughn149 at attbi.com (Colleen M. Vaughan) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 20:33:01 -0800 Subject: [LMB] (no subject) Message-ID: <009701c2854d$977fb420$a7a9e80c@attbi.com> --------________--------________-------- From kappainfometrics5 at attbi.com Wed Nov 6 04:37:17 2002 From: kappainfometrics5 at attbi.com (Jill Wyrtham) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 21:37:17 -0700 Subject: [LMB] Maginot Line and Energy Weapons Message-ID: <000a01c2854e$2feb7aa0$9e19fea9@attbi.com> Further thought on the THEL system: maginot line! this may return warfare to that level! now how does that fit into the LMB universe? Jill *Sig Error 404 -- Clever Sig Not Found* --------________--------________-------- From RayLists at quixnet.net Wed Nov 6 04:45:59 2002 From: RayLists at quixnet.net (Ray Drouillard) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 23:45:59 -0500 Subject: [LMB] telephone solicitation ot: References: <20021105162515.85148.qmail@web11405.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <010601c2854f$6709c7c0$0200a8c0@ray> From: "POUNCER" > This past month though, she has been shocked, > SHOCKED, to discover that the legislators > have exempted their own "political" solicitations > from their anti-phone-solicitation legislation. > Any hour of the day, any number of calls per > day, and persisting even after being politely > requested to desist. (Data point: Democratic > Senate campaigners for ex-mayor of Dallas Ron Kirk > have been the +most+ persistant and inconsiderate > callers, here.) Putatively, Constitutional > protections of free political speech trump privacy > protections against unwelcome commercial intrusion. > > I find myself strangely ambivalent. I strongly > support free speech rights, generally. But > taking phone calls from recordings seems beyond > the realm of "free speech", somehow; in a way that > radio broadcast or audio streaming media on > the internet of that same recording is not. Or > maybe the latter instances are "free press" rather > than speech. I dunno. I'm not ambivalent about it at all. I have the first amendment right to say what I want, but I don't have the right to demand to use your soapbox. I can't demand that the owner of lists.herald.co.uk retransmit my email to y'all. If I become out of line, I expect to lose my privelidge to use that server. The government can mandate "equal time" on (RF) broadcast radio and TV because the RF spectrum is a limited resource that is licensed by the govrenment. If the stations want to keep their licenses, they will play by the rules. Hopefully (theoretically), those rules represent the will and best interests of "We The People" (tm). So, If I don't want some nitwit using *my* telephone equipment to pipe a message to me, I have the perfect moral right to request that he cease and desist. If they want to start ringing pay phones... hey, that's between them and Ma Bell. Ray Drouillard --------________--------________-------- From RayLists at quixnet.net Wed Nov 6 05:01:40 2002 From: RayLists at quixnet.net (Ray Drouillard) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 00:01:40 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Re: James' New House References: Message-ID: <013801c28551$97e975a0$0200a8c0@ray> From: "Susan Profit" > Although you might want to have the ham radio set-up in the loft > instead of the sewing area. Oh, yes... can't forget the RF gear! Put up a large tower and use the guy wires to create a 160 meter discone. Top the thing with a 40 (and 20 and 15 and 10) meter beam, or maybe a 40-10 meter LPDA. And don't forget the huge EME dish on the ground :-) Ray KA8UUU --------________--------________-------- From a.abraham at mail.utexas.edu Wed Nov 6 05:16:48 2002 From: a.abraham at mail.utexas.edu (Andrew Lambdin-Abraham) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 23:16:48 -0600 Subject: [LMB] Laser shoots down artillery shell In-Reply-To: <001f01c2854a$7ba0b900$9e19fea9@attbi.com> Message-ID: On Tuesday, November 5, 2002, at 10:10 PM, Jill Wyrtham wrote: > I envision a > fast-attack submarine, THEL equipped as its only weapon. Get in close, > surface, point, fire a dozen bursts until the target is neutralized > from > shock and heat, then pull the THEL inside, dive, and run for it. You're starting with the "Get in close" as the easy part. If you can get in close, current torpedoes are pretty good at taking out a carrier too. > Can't envision what could shield against it, I understand it causes > surface > temps in the 10,000 degree range but that may be wrong (ballpark right > tho). > By the time the carrier's escorts realize there is a problem, the > carrier is > burning slag. the other ships are then expensive coast guard cutters, > useless in theater terms. Even if you lose the sub it's still cheap at > the > price! The THEL works by heating up the target until the onboard warhead detonates. I've seen the video of it used against Kytushas, and it sets off the rocket propellant. I certainly have seen no indication of it being anywhere near enough to actually melt metal, cause damage to a large target, etc. It may be able to handle aircraft by going after their fuel tanks, but to suggest that this design is capable against carriers is beyond even the wildest speculation I've seen elsewhere. Andrew --------________--------________-------- From dklecha at sff.net Wed Nov 6 06:37:57 2002 From: dklecha at sff.net (David Klecha) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 00:37:57 -0600 Subject: [LMB] Maginot Line and Energy Weapons In-Reply-To: <200211060453.EAA10476@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: From: "Jill Wyrtham" > >Further thought on the THEL system: > >maginot line! this may return warfare to that level! Hmm... Semi-doubtful. The failure of the Maginot Line was not in the efficacy of artillery, indeed it was designed to provide the ultimate covered trench, basically. Steel-reinforced concrete overheads provide protection for anything but impact fused rounds. What they don't provide protection for is the German army doing an end-run *around* that paragon of military engineering, a threat the THEL doesn't really seem to combat in a significant way. "Blitzkrieg" is still how we like to do it. For now, anyway, unless THEL falls into the hands of the "bad guys" it's going to give an advantage to the good guys... "We" can pound them with artillery without having to worry about counter-battery fire and "our" troops can maneuver at will under the umbrella. Friendly artillery units won't have to maneuver so much and can basically lay it on until the ammo runs out. >now how does that fit into the LMB universe? In tVG, she discusses at some length the arms vs. armor dynamic, whereby projectile weapons were obsolesced by force fields, etc. Really, this is just a variation on the same theme. Something already loosely considered by some (so I hear) is spaceships studded with compact, powerful lasers capable of creating an effective "force field" around a ship. With the right tracking apparatus and software, it could be used to sublimate anything from micrometeorites to cruise missiles. (An effective counter-tactic might be to attempt saturation, giving the lasers so many targets that they cannot compute or move fast enough to get them all, ensuring that xx% slip through and do some damage.) Essentially, if we ever do get to the point of space navies trading broadside attacks, it probably is going to end up being that we'll be using some sort of gravitic lance, or other "energy" weapon. Projectile weapons, unless they are "intelligent" and able to dodge point energy weapons, will probably not even be a consideration for ship-to-ship engagements. And even then, the most intelligent weapon might not be able to do for squat if they do end up developing a passive energy shield technology capable of intercepting any and all hurled projectiles. In the Loisverse they have, making gravitic lances the sexy new tech everybody wants. Dave --------________--------________-------- From otherlois at yahoo.com Wed Nov 6 06:27:51 2002 From: otherlois at yahoo.com (Lois Aleta Fundis) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 22:27:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LMB] OT: House Ideas? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021106062751.9205.qmail@web20802.mail.yahoo.com> James M. BRYANT, G4CLF writes that in his proposed new house > > It goes without saying that there WILL be > > a library. Of course, what James really *needs* (as do I and probably many other listees) is a library with living space included. ===== Lois Fundis ("the other Lois") otherlois at yahoo.com e-mail address especially for this list non-list e-mail may be sent to lfundis at weir.net "It is difficult/ to get the news from poems/ yet men die miserably every day/ for lack/ of what is found there." -- William Carlos Williams __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ --------________--------________-------- From bkemper at bigdogz.com Wed Nov 6 06:50:20 2002 From: bkemper at bigdogz.com (Bart Kemper) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 00:50:20 -0600 Subject: [LMB] Energy weapons References: <200211060453.EAA10480@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <3DC8BBAC.6010605@bigdogz.com> For every advance, someone will come up with a counter measure. Just as HEAT rounds were once seen as "the best thing", layered armor, angled armor, and reactive armor all defeat HEAT rounds, forcing the advance of Sabot rounds and fueling research into hyperkinetic rounds. For directed energy rounds, you can have shielding (either reflective or redirective, such as an inner layer of fluid or something that goes volatile and disperses energy long enough to survive the burst), or just inundate the area to overwhelm the ability to get them all so that the projected amount coming in will do the job. I doubt it will kill manned flight...initial salvos are over-the-horizon, and I'm sure there will be "laser seekers" (probably detects emission and goes to last known location instead of a conventional seeker like HARM). Tube artillery is too easy to build lots and lots of them a la Russian and Chinese (and N. Korean) tactics. Not to mention the possibility of EMP strikes to fry all the fancy electronics, putting you back to "dumb" systems...and then the person with the most such will win. So...this is probably why Lois doesn't have all of her military dominated by one weapons system....arms races have a way of see-sawing. --------________--------________-------- From a.abraham at mail.utexas.edu Wed Nov 6 07:11:16 2002 From: a.abraham at mail.utexas.edu (Andrew Lambdin-Abraham) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 01:11:16 -0600 Subject: [LMB] Energy weapons In-Reply-To: <3DC8BBAC.6010605@bigdogz.com> Message-ID: On Wednesday, November 6, 2002, at 12:50 AM, Bart Kemper wrote: > Tube artillery is too easy to build lots and lots of them a la Russian > and Chinese (and N. Korean) tactics. Counter-battery is pretty easy as well, although I don't know how good they are at it. > So...this is probably why Lois doesn't have all of her military > dominated by one weapons system....arms races have a way of > see-sawing. Although everything handheld is either a nerve disruptor, stunner or plasma arc. I haven't seen much change in those areas, except the "Nerve Disruptor Armor" Miles offers to sell to Victor Rotha. It would be nice if someone had come up with a new weapon type for ship to ship combat in the course of the series, but we did get a Gravitic Lance with range 3x. Perhaps we're at the equivilent of guns between 1910 and 1940. Quite plausible. Andrew --------________--------________-------- From mdbrazier at juno.com Wed Nov 6 06:49:18 2002 From: mdbrazier at juno.com (Michael D Brazier) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 00:49:18 -0600 Subject: [LMB] Laser shoots down artillery shell Message-ID: <20021106.011544.-260755.0.mdbrazier@juno.com> On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:19:23 -0800 "Greg Ehrig" writes: > > It occurs to me tho, that this is the death knell for tacair if this > was an actual arty round that they hit. Any laser that powerful > could bring down any plane in visual range, and with decent > sensors it could also be all weather/all altitude (though somewhat > degraded) Unless the air force boys can counter this somehow, > and I don't see how except for going more and more stealthy -- > which is ultimately a dead end -- the air force and the navy's > carriers are going to be out of a job. [...] > > If it can be produced cheaply enough, then it removes the redlegs > from the battle. Most people don't know this, but arty accounted > for something like 80% of the combat casualties in WWII. If this > report is true, then there is going to be a REAL 'revolution in > military affairs'. While I know almost nothing about military affairs, a few things seem obvious enough. On land, this type of system would simply replace artillery and tactical aircraft; it doesn't force any fundamental change in tactics. Infantry and tanks today need air cover to do their jobs; tomorrow they'd need laser cover, but their jobs wouldn't alter. But naval battle would change profoundly. The carrier's advantage over the battleship, that the carrier's aircraft have more range than the battleship's guns, would disappear against a battleship armed with laser "cannons". It doesn't matter how far a plane can fly, if it can't safely approach its enemy. So the laser-armed battleship would become the queen of the seas... ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com --------________--------________-------- From mdbrazier at juno.com Wed Nov 6 07:15:29 2002 From: mdbrazier at juno.com (Michael D Brazier) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 01:15:29 -0600 Subject: [LMB] Laser shoots down artillery shell Message-ID: <20021106.011544.-260755.1.mdbrazier@juno.com> On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 21:10:45 -0700 "Jill Wyrtham" writes: > > THEL, OTOH, is just as deadly, but NOT a world-buster. I envision a > fast-attack submarine, THEL equipped as its only weapon. Get in > close, surface, point, fire a dozen bursts until the target is neutralized > from shock and heat, then pull the THEL inside, dive, and run for it. What's the difference between this and a fast-attack submarine armed with modern missiles? Tactically speaking, of course. If the sub's target is equipped with THEL, surfacing exposes the sub to fire from its target, just as swift and deadly (in principle) as its own. (If the target does not have THEL, it's doomed ... but a target that doesn't have missiles, against a submarine that does, is doomed too.) > If artillery goes away, so do scuds and katyushka and all their > siblings. Does the machine gun rule the battlefield again? Massed > charges like the Somme? Yuck!!! And now think about this thing > sweeping across a mass infantry charge! crispy critters, anyone? > Tanks, what tanks? you mean those heaps of burning, exploding > metal? That means THEL _is_ artillery. ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com --------________--------________-------- From tiamat at tsoft.com Wed Nov 6 07:16:14 2002 From: tiamat at tsoft.com (Azalais Malfoy) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 23:16:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LMB] OT: Sum of all Skippyisms In-Reply-To: <3DC75CD4.510FF3F0@redmaplegrove.org> Message-ID: <20021105231521.Y47486-100000@shell.rawbw.com> On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Marna Nightingale wrote: > Bart Kemper wrote: > > > > # 87 If the thought of something makes me giggle for longer than > > 15 seconds, I am to assume that I am not allowed to do it. > > That's just Words To Live By. Hmmm... I regard anything that makes me giggle for more than 15 seconds at the mere thought of doing it as a Moral Obligation. lol, ~malfoy :) ************************************************************************** "That wickedness weltering around inside of you, inside of everyone, is sacred somewhere. There's a deity out there who digs it. You can respect and love your darkest side, disposing only of what is obsolete or impractical. It's all about giving yourself permission." --Jack Darkhand "It is better to be cruel for love than for hate." --Thomas Burnett Swann --------________--------________-------- From bo at dendarii.com Wed Nov 6 07:25:27 2002 From: bo at dendarii.com (Bo Johansson) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 08:25:27 +0100 Subject: [LMB] [OT:] (WAY, OT:-) Netscape Messenger Help References: <3DC8795F.E054E4A5@mail.utexas.edu> Message-ID: <00b501c28565$ae181480$e88970d5@bredbandsbolaget.se> On Nov 06, 2002 "Jason Bontrager" wrote: > > ... My Netscape Messenger (version 4.7) > utility is mis-timed. That is, when I receive > mail, the 'date' field shows a time 2 hours > earlier than it actually is. If I receive a > message at 4:00, Messenger says I got it at 2:00. > My Eudora doesn't do this. I've looked for a > 'clock' or 'time' or 'date' control in > 'preferences' and come up dry. My computer's > clock is set correctly, so I'm stumped. Can any > of you kind folks tell me how to fix this? Maybe the "received" time is not set by your mail client, but by the mail-box software on the server of your ISP. Have you checked with anyone (in the same time-zone) using the same mail provider? // Bo Johansson --------________--------________-------- From bo at dendarii.com Wed Nov 6 07:44:59 2002 From: bo at dendarii.com (Bo Johansson) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 08:44:59 +0100 Subject: [LMB] 0T: House Ideas? References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021105144600.00affa28@pop.luna.co.uk> Message-ID: <00bb01c28568$689feec0$e88970d5@bredbandsbolaget.se> On Nov 05, 2002 "James M. BRYANT, G4CLF" wrote: > > ... Does anyone have any inputs of things > to do and not to do when designing a house? > ... It goes without saying that there WILL > be a library. Some basic things: Put the kitchen and the bathroom or bathrooms back-to-back to minimize plumbing runs. If you have more than one floor, put the bathrooms stacked vertically above each other. Design the rooms, and place the doors and windows, in multiples of standard wallboard sizes. Run all cables in interior walls only, be generous with wall outlets, and be generous with extra cable ducts placed in the walls for future use. Think of escape routes in case of fire. No room should have its only door into the kitchen, since that could be blocked by fire. Put an emergency heat source, e.g. a wood-burning stove, in one room, or in the kitchen. I don't think it is British practice to build one basement room or the garage as a bomb shelter, otherwise I could give some ideas there. // Bo Johansson --------________--------________-------- From carbonelle at juno.com Wed Nov 6 08:13:52 2002 From: carbonelle at juno.com (carbonelle at juno.com) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 08:13:52 GMT Subject: [LMB] Re:James's House, yet more advice, OT: Message-ID: <20021106.001408.530.97613@webmail1.wlv.untd.com> Ray D. writes: "Grow ivy on the house. That way, it is shaded in the summer, but not in the winter." At the Duvall Library, "weeding" the chidren's section includes pulling out the ivy sprigs from amongst the J Biographies. We too have ivy growing against our walls. Choose... wisely. If you would like the effect, but more manageably, write me off list--I came up with a really clever* way to grow vines (from honeysuckle to roses) against the wall, that's easy on the vines as well as the paintwork). And unless you positively must resell the thing, don't let the architect talk you into traditional spaces you have no intention of using :-). One trick: Write down all the things you want to do in your home, combine the ones that work well together and take it from there. Admittedly, I've never actually done this with building a HOUSE, but a works a treat w/one's garden. Good luck. Kirsten ("time to double dig") Edwards (*) I.e. idiot-proof P.S. My parents got a marine builder to do the cabinetry on their house--its remarkable how much storage such a tiny place can manage! ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com --------________--------________-------- From oppen at mycns.net Wed Nov 6 08:23:06 2002 From: oppen at mycns.net (Eric Oppen) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 02:23:06 -0600 Subject: [LMB] Re: Flashman et al References: <200211040204.CAA28871@lists.herald.co.uk> <000c01c2853e$4eeac330$9865fea9@Samantha> Message-ID: <011001c2856d$bccd5d20$e9510043@hppav> > > Peter Newman-- > > How about Flashman and the Draka, Flashman and the Martian Tripods, > Flashman > > and Dr Moreau, Flashman and Nemo, Flashman and Lord Greystroke, Flashman > and > > Professor Moriarty, etc. > > Flashman and the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen?:-). > > Jason B. > > --YES! I want to see Mina Harker, er, like whatever her last name is now, > take him down a peg. Several pegs. After dealing with Mr. Hyde and having > him go 'yes ma'am', she could do it, too That would be fun...although Flashy has managed to get on the good side of women that could eat Mina Murray (as she is in the LOEG-iverse) for breakfast and pick their teeth with her bones. I wonder how Captain Nemo would feel about him? At least with him around, they'd have someone with the sense to keep an eye on Griffin (insofar as it's possible) > > Though I really really REALLY would like to see Flashman vs. Miles, film at > 11 (like they do for almost all major disasters. See, it's not _totally_ > OT). Of course, Miles vs. Anita Blake to find out who's the pushiest > shortest person would be fun too (I suspect Mark and Edward might stand off > to the sidelines, playing Interesting People We Have Known and Killed). If we're playing "crossovers we'd like to see," how about Miles Meets Rumpole of the Bailey? As in he's back on Earth and gets 'way into trouble, and the Barrayaran embassy gets him this very old, experienced lawyer. --------________--------________-------- From mckeownb at optusnet.com.au Wed Nov 6 09:19:20 2002 From: mckeownb at optusnet.com.au (Beatrice McKeown) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:19:20 +1000 Subject: [LMB] 0T: House Ideas? Message-ID: <003201c28575$97aa8d80$20438ec6@oemcomputer> James wants ideas for a house A larger kitchen then you think you will need. I would love to have the money to design a kitchen. With a dishwasher that is not under a bench but is at a sensible level so you don't have to bend down to fill and empty it. A large bathroom with a large bath. Over here most people shower and consequently their baths are built for very short people almost as an afterthought --------________--------________-------- From lucy at chubb.wattle.id.au Wed Nov 6 09:31:30 2002 From: lucy at chubb.wattle.id.au (Lucy Chubb) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 20:31:30 +1100 Subject: [LMB] OT: House Ideas? In-Reply-To: <20021106062751.9205.qmail@web20802.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021106062751.9205.qmail@web20802.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20021106093130.GG723@chubb.wattle.id.au> On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 10:27:51PM -0800, Lois Aleta Fundis wrote: > > Of course, what James really *needs* (as do I and > probably many other listees) is a library with living > space included. True -- which is why the master bedroom in our house is the library and we have squeezed the queen sized bed in a room less than half its size. There isn't enough room for a wardrobe, so we hang clothes from the picture rail, and we have to walk sideways to get past the end of the bed. LucyC -- another listee with a library --------________--------________-------- From putihua at hotmail.com Wed Nov 6 10:20:26 2002 From: putihua at hotmail.com (Stella Lindblom) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 10:20:26 +0000 Subject: [LMB] Energy weapons Message-ID: > >On Wednesday, November 6, 2002, at 12:50 AM, Bart Kemper wrote: >>So...this is probably why Lois doesn't have all of her military dominated >>by one weapons system....arms races have a way of > see-sawing. > >Although everything handheld is either a nerve disruptor, stunner or plasma >arc. >I haven't seen much change in those areas, snip >but we did get a Gravitic Lance with range 3x. > >Andrew And the plasma shields, but I'm not sure if they are purely a defense. A judoesque offensive weapon? Using the opponents own energy? And there must be some kind of a trade-off between range + devastation level and the interest of the offender to survive an attack. That has always been my own assumption to why we never see "small" nuclear granades f'rinstance. And Miles is mulling (in TVG?) on the effects in weaponry, where ye olde tymes warfare with astronomical distances between opponents turns into an even older way of gavotting around to board the other vessel for man-to-man combat. Not to mention the usefulness of a swordstick. Wasn't it Arthur C. Clarke btw who mentioned that it would suffice with a bucket of old rusty nails to strike out SDI? Stella _________________________________________________________________ Hela veckans vdder http://www.msn.se/vader --------________--------________-------- From jparish at siue.edu Wed Nov 6 10:41:27 2002 From: jparish at siue.edu (Jim Parish) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 04:41:27 -0600 Subject: [LMB] Energy weapons In-Reply-To: References: <3DC8BBAC.6010605@bigdogz.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.1.20021106043953.024a3f50@pop.siue.edu> Andrew Lambdin-Abraham wrote: >Although everything handheld is either a nerve disruptor, stunner or >plasma arc. You're forgetting needlers. Projectile weapons are still in use. (For that matter, there's the grenade that killed Miles; do we know whether that was thrown or fired?) Jim Parish on-topic for once --------________--------________-------- From stratton at oz.net Wed Nov 6 11:40:26 2002 From: stratton at oz.net (Paul Stratton) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 03:40:26 -0800 Subject: [LMB] OT: House Ideas? In-Reply-To: <20021106093130.GG723@chubb.wattle.id.au> Message-ID: <000301c28589$4d1b8c60$6402a8c0@double> Put the clothes washers on the same floor as the bedrooms. That way you don't have to carry laundry to/from another floor. Paul --------________--------________-------- From putihua at hotmail.com Wed Nov 6 12:10:03 2002 From: putihua at hotmail.com (Stella Lindblom) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 12:10:03 +0000 Subject: [LMB] 0T: House Ideas? Message-ID: >From: "James M. BRYANT, G4CLF" > >Does anyone have any inputs of things >to do and not to do when designing a house? >It goes without saying that there WILL be >a library. There's been some good advice already, but maybe I might fill in a 2 p's worth. Having been served dinner in two of James' kitchens, I'd endorse the idea of a grand kitchen. My own favorite is a U-shaped part for all the cupboards, fridges, drawers and sinks taking up about half of the kitchen. One leg sticks out to be accessible from both ways. On this is the stove and the bench top is larger than the cupboard beneath making it very suitable for seating people when cooking, and making use of them in the process - apart from just being affable companionship drinking beer together with you. (It's like in the old house before Midsomer Norton, but much bigger. Gees, I forgot the name of the place...) With a plainer - everyday eating place like this - you may have a more luxurious kitchen table with small armchairs instead of ordinary chairs. Someone mentioned utilities in smart places, like dishwasher higher up than usual. I will add oven to the list of things often put in a back-straining position. Instead of usual cupboards and drawers, there are giant drawers making it very easy to find things, no need to crawl on the floor to fumble into dark corners. One of my own pet peeves is the entrance. Often there is a front door. Inside is a little area to hang clothes etc. Often there is not enough room to store all the things you don't necessarily want to drag into the house and store in an attic or so. Or room to put down bags while you take off shoes and winter garments. Thinking of all the travelling you do, you might want some space for travelling gear etc, maybe even in the vicinity of a laundry area. And the second thing about halls. Often enough they are constructed as a heavy traffic area with doorways or staircases right at the front door. What ensues is that every time you have to move around you come to drag more dirt than necessary into the house and you will have to clean more often. Light. If I could choose, I'd build something akin to the huts in Hobbiton in LOTR the Movie. There is such a house, in Britain I think, built in the 80's. Windows in the ceiling/roof. And if you need an extra room - just start diggin' :) . On the energy preserving side, I'd have a storage room in the kitchen on the north side of the house. In the winter it will reduce the need for fridge. I used this method in my last apartment; on X-mas eve the fridge died and I put everything in a cupboard with an outside vent. Turned out I didn't need fridge until May, so I started to turn off fridge in the winters from then on - saved me almost half of the cost for electricity during winters. Especially if the house is to be empty for lengthy periods, it might be a good idea to think in zones; one to be easily and rapidly heated and another one to keep on lower temp when not used. Apart from this, I second the person who mentioned a mariner to plan storage. Sailing boats may be a good thing to draw experience from. And for the grace of some benign deity - put pipes in the interior walls so you don't have problems with freezing. Bo also mentioned this. I know you british say it's better to have them on the outside because it's easier to mend them when they break, but pipes in interior walls extremely seldom break so you will not have to mend them at all... Best wishes, Stella - who has been thinking for almost 20 years on how to build the perfect house for herself _________________________________________________________________ Fynda pe ndtet! Handla pe MSN Shopping http://www.msn.se/shopping --------________--------________-------- From Tom_Vinson at mpsisys.com Wed Nov 6 13:23:04 2002 From: Tom_Vinson at mpsisys.com (Tom Vinson) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 07:23:04 -0600 Subject: [LMB] Re: Flashman et al Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Nov, Eric Oppen wrote: > If we're playing "crossovers we'd like to see," how about Miles > Meets Rumpole of the Bailey? As in he's back on Earth and gets > 'way into trouble, and the Barrayaran embassy gets him this very > old, experienced lawyer. And Ekaterin would have little trouble giving a good portrayal of She Who Must Be Obeyed. (Always had a fondness for lawyers who dress scruffy and like cheap red wine.) Tom --------________--------________-------- From Tom_Vinson at mpsisys.com Wed Nov 6 13:44:13 2002 From: Tom_Vinson at mpsisys.com (Tom Vinson) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 07:44:13 -0600 Subject: [LMB] OT: US election mechanics (not politics) Message-ID: I've seen a number of complaints in the local newspaper recently about automated pre-recorded campaign phone calls. When I got home last night there was one on the answering machine--the late Paul Wellstone's[1] son, urging me to vote for Walter Mondale. Nothing against Fritz, but the Tulsa is 820 km from the closest point in Minnesota. I also heard on the way into work that the polling consortium set up by major US news organizations had to abandon its exit polling yesterday[2] because of data processing errors (as near as I could gather it was some mismatch between database structure and the format of the paper survey forms). ObBujold: How dependent are Betan votes on computer technology? Maybe there really _wasn't_ anybody who voted for Freddy. Personally, I wouldn't start that complex a project without a novena to St. Murphy. Tom [1] Senator from Minnesota [2] The announcer spoke as if this was a bad thing. --------________--------________-------- From gsvaughan at insightbb.com Wed Nov 6 13:54:46 2002 From: gsvaughan at insightbb.com (George S. Vaughan) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 08:54:46 -0500 Subject: [LMB] House Ideas? In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021105144600.00affa28@pop.luna.co.uk> References: <200211051202.MAA05629@lists.herald.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.2.20021105144600.00affa28@pop.luna.co.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 05 Nov 2002 14:57:07 +0000, James M. BRYANT, G4CLF wrote: >Does anyone have any inputs of things >to do and not to do when designing a house? I have found that having all corridors and doors be at least 36 inches, at least one bathroom with a roll-in shower and pedestal sink instead of cabinet sink, and faucet fixtures that can be pushed or pulled with a whole hand or stick instead of twisted are great steps toward handicapped accessability. Also, a single floor construction is very pleasant for those of us with knee or hip trouble. Alternatively, an elevator or stairway lift can ease the multiple floor problem. Big closets are good. My wife and I enjoy a big floating bathtub in the master bath with a television mounted on high on the wall in easy viewing range. Electrical connections above wall mounted cabinets ease working in those spaces and the installation of indirect lighting. An integrated lighting control system with RF remote control is very pleasant. You may wish to consider camera mounting locations for a room that could be used as an infant's nursery. Having cameras and microphones over all entry doors can help eliminate awkward surprises. An intercom system helps some people with large houses. It is also handy to have multiple conduit runs in interior walls from each room to the attic or basement for network/cable/sound system/video expansion. Cover them with a blank faceplace in the room and label the connections in the attic or basement. Drop a string down each conduit to use for fishing cable later. ObBujold: 8 floors at VK house are way too many. --------________--------________-------- From jabrwok at mail.utexas.edu Wed Nov 6 13:58:28 2002 From: jabrwok at mail.utexas.edu (Jason Bontrager) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 07:58:28 -0600 Subject: [LMB] [OT:] (WAY, OT:-) Netscape Messenger Help References: <3DC8795F.E054E4A5@mail.utexas.edu> <00b501c28565$ae181480$e88970d5@bredbandsbolaget.se> Message-ID: <3DC92004.412EE2DE@mail.utexas.edu> Bo Johansson wrote: > Maybe the "received" time is not set by your mail client, but by the > mail-box software on the server > of your ISP. > Have you checked with anyone (in the same time-zone) using the same > mail provider? No. I'll call my ISP and see it they can tell me what's going on. Thanks. Jason B. --------________--------________-------- From pnewman at gci.net Wed Nov 6 13:59:56 2002 From: pnewman at gci.net (Peter Newman) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 04:59:56 -0900 Subject: [LMB] Re: 0T: House Ideas? References: <200211060453.EAA10476@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <3DC92058.C0C6D5D0@gci.net> I think we need to remember that James will need a house suitable for dealing with any philistines who don't appreciate their relatives giving their last full measure of devotion to his recipe for roasted peasant. I suggest a 45' tall, 10' thick stone circular curtain wall with several round stone turrets and a gatehouse for the outer works and a 60' tall round stone keep w/ 10' thick walls. I believe that James, his squire, not more than 20 armsmen, and James father (whom I'm picturing as a much nicer version of Count Piotr in this scenario) could defend this place against small angry mobs of the culinary prejudiced. Naturally he'll want a large kitchen, with climate controlled spice storage, and a walk in oven.... ObBujold: Barrayar doesn't seem to have squires. How were young Vor lords to be trained during the depths of the Time of Isolation. Emperor Ezar described himself, on his deathbed, as having been General-Count Piotr's military apprentice, did Barrayar have a formal name for this status? It would be improper for a Vor to be a mere armsmen but it is often better for a knight to be type to learn from someone other than family. --------________--------________-------- From jabrwok at mail.utexas.edu Wed Nov 6 14:14:02 2002 From: jabrwok at mail.utexas.edu (Jason Bontrager) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 08:14:02 -0600 Subject: [LMB] 0T: House Ideas? References: <003201c28575$97aa8d80$20438ec6@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3DC923AA.8E938EB6@mail.utexas.edu> Beatrice McKeown wrote: > James wants ideas for a house > A larger kitchen then you think you will need. I would love to have the > money to design a kitchen. With a dishwasher that is not under a bench but > is at a sensible level so you don't have to bend down to fill and empty it. > A large bathroom with a large bath. Over here most people shower and > consequently their baths are built for very short people almost as an > afterthought There are dishwashers that are drawer-shaped rather than the standard pull-out/down cabinets. Here's an example: http://www.theappliancepro.com/fispaydoubdi.html You can get single drawers too. Probably a good idea if, like myself, you live alone and don't have a lot of dishes to deal with. Jason B. --------________--------________-------- From cameramom00 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 6 14:15:42 2002 From: cameramom00 at yahoo.com (Casey Allison) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 06:15:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LMB] Request for "Off Topic" on Laser shoots down artillery shell In-Reply-To: <001f01c2854a$7ba0b900$9e19fea9@attbi.com> Message-ID: <20021106141542.47897.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com> This is not a pizza call, but it is a request to mark this thread as OT:. With the volume we're experiencing, it'd be an especial courtesy for those who filter out OT's if we would all pay closer attention to what is, in fact, off topic, including that which began as ON topic but has subsequently drifted OFF. Thanks! ~ Casey ===== ~~O8:> __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ --------________--------________-------- From jabrwok at mail.utexas.edu Wed Nov 6 14:38:18 2002 From: jabrwok at mail.utexas.edu (Jason Bontrager) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 08:38:18 -0600 Subject: [LMB] OT: House Ideas? References: <000301c28589$4d1b8c60$6402a8c0@double> Message-ID: <3DC9295A.16BA01B3@mail.utexas.edu> Paul Stratton wrote: > Put the clothes washers on the same floor as the bedrooms. That way you > don't have to carry laundry to/from another floor. Or build in a dumbwaiter/laundry chute. Jason B. --------________--------________-------- From jabrwok at mail.utexas.edu Wed Nov 6 14:57:54 2002 From: jabrwok at mail.utexas.edu (Jason Bontrager) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 08:57:54 -0600 Subject: [LMB] 0T: House Ideas? References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021105144600.00affa28@pop.luna.co.uk> <1036511265.3dc7e821c2ebf@webmailapp1.cc.utexas.edu> <00f001c2854c$d682cbe0$0200a8c0@ray> Message-ID: <3DC92DF2.2F188B4A@mail.utexas.edu> Ray Drouillard wrote: > From: > > > Radiant floor heating. > > Electric heat is expensive. Perhaps you can run hot water pipes under the > floor. I was thinking hydronic radiant floor heating (using plastic tubes rather than pipes, see: http://www.wirsbo.com/main.php?pm=1&mm=1&sm=0&pc=homeowner/ho_mm1sm0.php) rather than the electric tile variety (http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/heatingcooling/article/0,13422,192138,00.html). > > Rammed-earth walls (lots of thermal mass). > If you want rammed-earth walls, make the thing circular and put a geodesic > dome on top. That way, you will have a very good volume/surface area ratio > (which requires less heating and cooling). Otherwise, a straight dome will > work well. Domes are neat, but I want a house that looks like a house, not like a futurists fantasy. Given enough thermal mass, the surface/volume ratio becomes less important anyway. Jason B. --------________--------________-------- From lqmiller at iqcisp.com Wed Nov 6 14:58:27 2002 From: lqmiller at iqcisp.com (Louann Miller) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 08:58:27 -0600 Subject: [LMB] Laser shoots down artillery shell In-Reply-To: <20021106.011544.-260755.0.mdbrazier@juno.com> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20021106085754.00b04c60@mail.iqcisp.com> At 12:49 AM 11/6/2002 -0600, Michael D Brazier wrote: >But naval battle would change profoundly. The carrier's advantage >over the battleship, that the carrier's aircraft have more range than >the battleship's guns, would disappear against a battleship armed >with laser "cannons". It doesn't matter how far a plane can fly, if >it can't safely approach its enemy. So the laser-armed battleship >would become the queen of the seas... Anyone else getting "Space Cruiser Yamato" flashbacks? Louann --------________--------________-------- From lqmiller at iqcisp.com Wed Nov 6 15:06:48 2002 From: lqmiller at iqcisp.com (Louann Miller) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 09:06:48 -0600 Subject: [LMB] 0T: House Ideas? In-Reply-To: <00bb01c28568$689feec0$e88970d5@bredbandsbolaget.se> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021105144600.00affa28@pop.luna.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20021106085950.00b04920@mail.iqcisp.com> At 08:44 AM 11/6/2002 +0100, Bo Johansson wrote: >Some basic things: (snep) >Design the rooms, and place the doors and windows, in >multiples of standard wallboard sizes. > >Run all cables in interior walls only, be generous with >wall outlets, and be generous with extra cable ducts placed >in the walls for future use. Seconded. You will never, EVER find yourself saying "drat, this room has too many electrical outlets." Especially not a man with your bookcase habit. If you have any big wide open spaces, mid-floor electric plugs are good too and _must_ be set up during initial construction. What we did in the dome was arrange generous data cabling to every room in the place. At least two data outlets per room cabled with cat-five phone wire (can handle two phone lines plus one ethernet line) and the higher grade of cable tv wire that can handle digital satellite. Also, we put all the data wiring inside conduit. When the Next Cool Thing in wiring comes along, this will make it about three hundred percent easier to remove and replace data wires without tearing into the walls. Louann --------________--------________-------- From lqmiller at iqcisp.com Wed Nov 6 15:12:44 2002 From: lqmiller at iqcisp.com (Louann Miller) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 09:12:44 -0600 Subject: [LMB] OT: House Ideas? In-Reply-To: <000301c28589$4d1b8c60$6402a8c0@double> References: <20021106093130.GG723@chubb.wattle.id.au> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20021106090902.00afb900@mail.iqcisp.com> At 03:40 AM 11/6/2002 -0800, Paul Stratton wrote: >Put the clothes washers on the same floor as the bedrooms. That way you >don't have to carry laundry to/from another floor. Sparking a further idea: if you have a dedicated laundry room, especially if it's also the room where the water heater lives, give it a concrete or tile floor sloping down to a central floor drain. This detail will be almost invisible until a washer hose breaks or water heater relief valve lets go, and then it will save you huge amounts of water damage. (Migod, the _books._) Be generous with your electrical circuits. We created plugs on their own whole circuits for high-draw items like the microwave and the big t.v. Louann --------________--------________-------- From pgranzeau at cox.net Wed Nov 6 14:15:15 2002 From: pgranzeau at cox.net (Peter H. Granzeau) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 09:15:15 -0500 Subject: [LMB] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <009701c2854d$977fb420$a7a9e80c@attbi.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20021106091501.01d9ad40@pop.east.cox.net> Easy for YOU to say! At 20:33 11/05/2002 -0800, Colleen M. Vaughan wrote: >-- >Lois-Bujold mailing list >Lois-Bujold at lists.herald.co.uk >http://lists.herald.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/lois-bujold -- Regards, Pete pgranzeau at cox.net --------________--------________-------- From cameramom00 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 6 15:27:57 2002 From: cameramom00 at yahoo.com (Casey Allison) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 07:27:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LMB] houses ot: In-Reply-To: <1036531596.c9151f00pouncer@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <20021106152757.11177.qmail@web13503.mail.yahoo.com> Things to do when designing a house: The greatest peacekeeper of all time is his & her walk-in closets, either spacious enough to put the standard dressers/chests of drawers within or to add plenty of built-ins. (I'd opt for room for the furniture, as that also frees up bedroom floor space.) Full length mirrors in each, of course. Adequate space for laundry hampers, too--helps the pre-sort .) The second greatest peacekeeper is the sink/vanity/mirror/storage in the bath--*times two*-- with floor space enough not to joggle each other when using at the same time. L-shaped, if it's large enough, works, or go one long run side by side. Intercoms are *great*, by the way. Adding a radio and/or CD deck to pipe throughout the house is nice, too. (My house was built before CD's, though, rendering the tape deck fairly useless now, heh. And I forgot to warn the roofers to watch out for the antenna, so the radio is now rather crackly, darn it.) Design reading/lounging space into your master bedroom. Libraries are wonderful, yes, but... there's just something very cozy and snuggly about being able to curl up in a good reading chair in your room. I agree wholeheartedly with Pouncer's advocacy of great porches. Make 'em very deep with plenty of overhang (hey, around here, rain is a spectator sport! >). A "glider" type of bench rocker is a good alternative to a free-hanging swing, and allows for placement adjustment. If memory serves, James is adamantly NOT a TV watcher; however, for resale considerations, adding in the telly hookups is a necessary evil. (Every room, James, as distasteful and wasteful as that may seem....) Gardens, gardens, gardens.... Think out your sun and shade patterns ahead of time! *Hide the garage*. Circle drives are lovely for your guests. *Hide the garage*. Paving, or at least gravel, is a courtesy for party parking. But *hide the garage*. (Hmmmm... probably should add this to the Greatest Peacekeepers of All Time list, ne? As luck would have it, the builder of my house thought so too, bless 'em!) For the kitchen, a center island for the cooktop is great. Then go with double ovens, at or near eye level, one large and one smaller, for flexibility and efficiency. Build in a microwave, if you'll use it enough, otherwise skip it. On the cooktop, the two burners and grill combination might be great for some, but I've found I don't use the grill/griddle side and wish I had four burners instead; when replacement time comes, I'll switch over. I do remember fondly the two story house of my childhood, BUT... I also had a child's healthy *knees* back then. Heh. All-one-level for *me*, now, thanks! FWIW, there you go. Incorporate the useful and appealing; discard the rest. ;D ~ Casey ===== ~~O8:> __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ --------________--------________-------- From anr at breathemail.net Wed Nov 6 15:07:11 2002 From: anr at breathemail.net (Andrew Ramage) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:07:11 -0000 Subject: [LMB] 0T: House Ideas? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000501c285a6$2f0642c0$010a0a0a@apollo> Below Andrew > From: James M. BRYANT, G4CLF > Date: 05 November 2002 14:57 > Google found me http://www.christiantorsten.com/mainframe.html which included an example client who got the cellar he wanted (for storing peasants and wine no doubt). Roast peasant is too tough for me. I think I prefer roast pheasant. Andrew --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.401 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 09/10/02 --------________--------________-------- From Tom_Vinson at mpsisys.com Wed Nov 6 15:32:09 2002 From: Tom_Vinson at mpsisys.com (Tom Vinson) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:32:09 -0600 Subject: List etiquette (was Re: [LMB] Laser shoots down artillery shell) Message-ID: Y'all please remember the OT flag. Thanks, Tom --------________--------________-------- From pam at gotcher.us Wed Nov 6 16:26:42 2002 From: pam at gotcher.us (Pam) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:26:42 -0600 Subject: [LMB] 0T: House Ideas? Message-ID: At the risk of sounding USA-centric, US bathrooms, with real hot water heaters. I speak only from my experience of a 2 week trip to the UK in 1998, and with the exception of the time I spent in a Ramada Inn, (2 nights) I was in a bed and breakfast or a private home. Almost all had heaters that heated the water in a tank on the wall above the tub or shower, and I kept getting hot/then cold/then hot/then cold showers, as the heater cycled. On your trip over here this month, you can hit the Lowes and Home Depots, as well as the major bookstores, to find books and magazines with even more ideas - some dedicated to just a single type of room. Nothing like sitting down at Borders or BArnes and Noble with a cup of coffee and thumbing through the magazines . Pam --------________--------________-------- From m.dolbear at lineone.net Wed Nov 6 15:22:49 2002 From: m.dolbear at lineone.net (Michael R N Dolbear) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:22:49 -0000 Subject: [LMB] Energy weapons Message-ID: > From: Stella Lindblom > Date: 06 November 2002 10:20 > > > > >On Wednesday, November 6, 2002, at 12:50 AM, Bart Kemper wrote: > > >>So...this is probably why Lois doesn't have all of her military dominated > >>by one weapons system....arms races have a way of > see-sawing. [...] > And there must be some kind of a trade-off between range + devastation level > and the interest of the offender to survive an attack. That has always been > my own assumption to why we never see "small" nuclear granades f'rinstance. > And Miles is mulling (in TVG?) on the effects in weaponry, where ye olde I am reminded of Miles's "please don't throw me into the briar patch" speech in tVG. How can I get myself onto that ship? "Don't throw me out there!" Miles protested urgently. "The Oserans are after my hide. I swear, I didn't know the plasma arcs were defective!" "What plasma arcs?" asked the captain. "I'm an arms dealer. I sold them some plasma arcs. Cheap. Turns out they had a tendency to lock on overload and blow their user's hand off. I didn't know, I got them wholesale." But on the "small nuclear" point "Labyrinth" in the BoI volume has Bel's advice "Stay away from the sale on neutron hand grenades". -- Little Egret --------________--------________-------- From m.dolbear at lineone.net Wed Nov 6 15:03:56 2002 From: m.dolbear at lineone.net (Michael R N Dolbear) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:03:56 -0000 Subject: [LMB] [OT:] (WAY, OT:-) Netscape Messenger Help Message-ID: > From: Jason Bontrager > Date: 06 November 2002 02:07 > > Well, someone got Eudora help here, so I thought > I'd ask. My Netscape Messenger (version 4.7) > utility is mis-timed. That is, when I receive > mail, the 'date' field shows a time 2 hours > earlier than it actually is. If I receive a > message at 4:00, Messenger says I got it at 2:00. > My Eudora doesn't do this. I've looked for a > 'clock' or 'time' or 'date' control in > 'preferences' and come up dry. My computer's > clock is set correctly, so I'm stumped. Can any > of you kind folks tell me how to fix this? Your computer's * clock * may be set correctly but your time zone may not be. The above message was sent using timezone GMT -08:00 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 18:07:27 -0800 a later message was Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 07:58:28 -0600 which is more like I would expect for Texas. In Windows, right click on the time in the toolbar/ adjust date/time/ timezone -- Little Egret --------________--------________-------- From agent_a_99 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 6 17:18:52 2002 From: agent_a_99 at yahoo.com (Marci DeLeon) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:18:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LMB] 0T: House Ideas? In-Reply-To: <009301c28514$dce9dfb0$3ea79840@Ivanova> Message-ID: <20021106171852.61170.qmail@web20413.mail.yahoo.com> --- Icewolf wrote: > Erk! I think the Anne book you're referring to is > _Anne of Windy Poplars_. [vs _Anne of Windy Willows_. -MD] Not necessarily. It was AoWP in America, but I have either a Canadian or British version that's _AoWW_. Not sure why the change, but it's a valid title. -Marci, Montgomery-phile __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ --------________--------________-------- From Royce_Day at choicehotels.com Wed Nov 6 18:03:50 2002 From: Royce_Day at choicehotels.com (Royce Day) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 13:03:50 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Laser shoots down artillery shell References: <5.0.2.1.0.20021106085754.00b04c60@mail.iqcisp.com> Message-ID: <3DC95986.C88FDE60@choicehotels.com> Louann Miller wrote: > At 12:49 AM 11/6/2002 -0600, Michael D Brazier wrote: > >But naval battle would change profoundly. The carrier's advantage > >over the battleship, that the carrier's aircraft have more range than > >the battleship's guns, would disappear against a battleship armed > >with laser "cannons". It doesn't matter how far a plane can fly, if > >it can't safely approach its enemy. So the laser-armed battleship > >would become the queen of the seas... > > Anyone else getting "Space Cruiser Yamato" flashbacks? More like "The Ayes of Texas." -- -Royce in MD "I know how to be subtle. That's when I use chemical explosives instead of nuclear." -Freefall (10/30/02) --------________--------________-------- From jabrwok at mail.utexas.edu Wed Nov 6 17:54:21 2002 From: jabrwok at mail.utexas.edu (Jason Bontrager) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 11:54:21 -0600 Subject: [LMB] [OT:] (WAY, OT:-) Netscape Messenger Help References: Message-ID: <3DC9574D.8A6ADA8E@mail.utexas.edu> Michael R N Dolbear wrote: > Your computer's * clock * may be set correctly but your time zone may not > be. > > The above message was sent using timezone GMT -08:00 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 > 18:07:27 -0800 > > a later message was Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 07:58:28 -0600 which is more > like I would expect for Texas. > > In Windows, right click on the time in the toolbar/ adjust > date/time/timezone This is what my ITS people suggested, so I'm going to try it as soon as I get home today. We'll see. Thanks for the input. Jason B. --------________--------________-------- From Tom_Vinson at mpsisys.com Wed Nov 6 18:10:07 2002 From: Tom_Vinson at mpsisys.com (Tom Vinson) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:10:07 -0600 Subject: [LMB] Re: OT: Anne of Windy Willows (was House Ideas) Message-ID: Marci DeLeon wrote: > Not necessarily. It was AoWP in America, but I have > either a Canadian or British version that's _AoWW_. > Not sure why the change, but it's a valid title. This link has an account of the change: http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~FG5M-OGM/avonlea/differs.htm Tom --------________--------________-------- From bkemper at bigdogz.com Wed Nov 6 18:33:15 2002 From: bkemper at bigdogz.com (Bart Kemper) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 12:33:15 -0600 Subject: [LMB] OT: Laser battleships References: <200211061720.RAA13927@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <3DC9606B.4040102@bigdogz.com> > At 12:49 AM 11/6/2002 -0600, Michael D Brazier wrote: > >>But naval battle would change profoundly. The carrier's advantage >>over the battleship, that the carrier's aircraft have more range than >>the battleship's guns, would disappear against a battleship armed >>with laser "cannons". It doesn't matter how far a plane can fly, if >>it can't safely approach its enemy. So the laser-armed battleship >>would become the queen of the seas... > > > Anyone else getting "Space Cruiser Yamato" flashbacks? > > Louann Doubtful. Lasers are "line of sight" and "above surface" only. While lasers can be wonderful for defensive roles, there is a very limited range (*LESS* than using conventional indirect fire, which lobs high into the air) where something mounted even 100' up from the water surface can effectively engage a surface target. I believe line of sight is about 14 miles. Twenty years ago Exocet missiles engaged (and sank) vessels after being launched from much further away. So....if they can put the latest "stealth" stuff on new cruise missiles, you've in essence defeated the lasers since the target aquisition equipment doesn't "see" the enemy munitions and therefore can't engage them. This doesn't even go into deep-water torpedos that, say, get their initial target location from a GPS download, stay over 500' deep and wander over to the area, and then using acoustic signature (they'll know the target from sat. imagery) go active and home in on the big honkin' target, only coming up to "kill depth" of 10' or so at the very end of the run.....all launched from many miles away from a sub already diving and evading. Don't get me wrong....its a neat thing and will be in the inventory. Just the leapfrog of weapons offense/defense and technology doesn't wait around very long. Especially with twisted devious engineers like me that love this stuff..... --------________--------________-------- From lorrainenfletez at hotmail.com Wed Nov 6 18:59:40 2002 From: lorrainenfletez at hotmail.com (lorraine fletez-brant) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 11:59:40 -0700 Subject: [LMB] Re: 0T: House Ideas? Message-ID: >From: "James M. BRYANT, G4CLF" > >Does anyone have any inputs of things >to do and not to do when designing a house? Uh, James, haven't you forgotten to make room for a splendid aviary? Lorraine - feathered Horned Hopper also, make sure the bathtub isn't touching any outside walls so the porcelain doesn't soak in the cold...brrrrr _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 --------________--------________-------- From iiradned at hotmail.com Wed Nov 6 20:05:56 2002 From: iiradned at hotmail.com (Patrick Vera) Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 04:05:56 +0800 Subject: OT: [LMB] Energy weapons Message-ID: On Wed, 06 Nov 2002 00:50:20 Bart Kemper wrote: >For every advance, someone will come up with a counter measure. >Just as HEAT rounds were once seen as "the best thing", layered >armor, angled armor, and reactive armor all defeat HEAT rounds, The newest countermeasure to shaped-charge HEAT rounds is by running a high-voltage electric current along the external surfaces of the armor. The current totally defeats the plasma jet of the HEAT round and the armored vehicle only suffers shallow scratches which sometimes do not penetrate the paint. This allows for very light vehicles to be protected from man-portable anti-armor weapons (such as the RPG-7 - they seem to be as ubiquitous as the AK-47) without the need for several inches of very heavy armor. To implement the above system simply requires a more powerful generator/alternator and batteries, some simple control electronics and running wires to the armor. The system is simple enough to retrofit earlier armored vehicles. ---- Patrick Vera Dendarii Free Mercenary Fleet Daring rescues our specialty. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --------________--------________-------- From cameramom00 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 6 20:07:38 2002 From: cameramom00 at yahoo.com (Casey Allison) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:07:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LMB] OT: House Ideas? In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20021106090902.00afb900@mail.iqcisp.com> Message-ID: <20021106200738.20313.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com> --- Louann Miller wrote: > If you have a dedicated laundry room, especially if it's also the room where the water heater lives, give it a concrete or tile floor sloping down to a central floor drain. This detail will be almost invisible until a washer hose breaks or water heater relief valve lets go, and then it will save you huge amounts of water damage. (Migod, the _books._) < Oh, heavens yes, I'd forgot that! You can also go with a galvanized metal "drain-*pan*" collecting into a drain line to the outside (if it's impractical to tie it into the usual waste drain pipe). Such a pan just saved us considerable potential damage when the hot water heater gave out, since the utility room is separate from the laundry room, and its door always closed. I shudder to think if no one had noticed until it was actually wetting the hallway carpet! If you use this method in the laundry room, one warning: Make the pan larger by several inches than you think you need. In our laundry, the floor-pan is just a fraction too narrow (the "standard" depth of those appliances perhaps changed in the 19 years since the house was built, I suppose). It necessitates propping the washer and dryer "up on blocks" (how... how... *tacky*, hee!) and then padding with foam between the washer and the wall, lest a spin cycle shake the entire center of the house. It's a pain, and a mere inch wider would've solved the problem. Louann also recommended: > If you have any big wide open spaces, mid-floor electric plugs are good too and _must_ be set up during initial construction. < Seconded (and initially forgotten also) again! Even if the floorspace isn't vast, these are nifty as can be, and give you *much* greater flexibility in the placement of furniture--primarily, of course, *reading chairs with good lamps*! Good also if you find the standard "all furniture pushed against the walls" design to be boring and uncreative. And *excellent* for setting up a lighted Christmas tree--be sure the outlet operates from a wall switch, rather than just being passively live, and this configuration is wonderful. Although, so long as the foundation isn't poured concrete, I would imagine the floor-plug feature could be added later, though that'd be costlier. Just don't make a placement error, if your carpeting is wall to wall! One more thing, design-wise: I dunno if this is an Americanism, but the most popular layout now is the "split bedroom" configuration--master BR on one side of the house, kids/guests to the opposite. It's a nice feature both for privacy and for (in the case of teens especially!) sound deadening when they crank up their stereos... or practice their musical instruments... or host giggle-all-night slumber parties.... And etc. Oh, and one final: I got to thinking about someone's suggestion for designing in space to set down luggage and such, with all James' travelling. You might want to do something like a low shelf, or even drop-down shelf, *in your closet*. Would make packing/unpacking a suitcase somewhat more convenient, yes? ~ Casey, fresh out of suggestions.... for now ;D ===== ~~O8:> __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ --------________--------________-------- From bhosler at partners.org Wed Nov 6 20:13:45 2002 From: bhosler at partners.org (Betsy Hosler) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:13:45 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Re: 0T: House Ideas? In-Reply-To: <200211051811.SAA07541@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: James M. BRYANT asks: > >Does anyone have any inputs of things >to do and not to do when designing a house? >currently fills out forms "lives with parent" A feature becoming more popular in the US is the "in-law apartment". Essentially, a small section of the house that can be used as a semi-independent living quarters, for when the day comes that elderly parent "lives with child". Separate entrance, bed/bath, partial kitchen, living room. Not necessarily fully closed off from the main house, but enough to allow the elder to live independently as long as possible while still being close to help and not having to worry about major tasks/maintenance. This definitely should be designed with limited mobility needs in mind - wide doorways, etc. Could potentially be designed for renting out - gives one a live-in house-sitter for those long trips. While the current room usage may be multi-floor, having the flexibility to convert rooms so that one can live all on one floor is useful. For example, turning a den into a bedroom for use with age or injury that makes stairs a nuisance. Fireplaces - for heat or merely entertainment, or even just to have a mantle for the squid. Wired-in smoke detector system. Don't remember off the top of my head the other modifications we've discussed for our house. Betsy H. --------________--------________-------- From bhosler at partners.org Wed Nov 6 20:27:22 2002 From: bhosler at partners.org (Betsy Hosler) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:27:22 -0500 Subject: [LMB] arranging Boston min-Lois-con Message-ID: We were talking about arranging a min-Lois-con when James Bryant is in Boston in a couple weeks. I think he said he would only be available on Sunday Nov 17th. Is that correct, James, and does that date still fit your schedule? Suggestion had been for an Indian restaurant in Cambridge. My husband says there's a good one in Arlington Center - he can't remember its name, of course. There's another one in Burlington (which he also doesn't remember the name of...). Alternatively, we could meet at my house in Melrose (~ 10 mi north of Boston). Either order in Indian or Chinese, or go with James' offer to cook a curry. (Anything to go with the curry? I can manage salad and dessert.) Suggestions? Likely attendees? Lunch vs dinner vs supper (time range and meal size parameters)? I'll provide ingredients if James wants to cook, but I'd like a shopping list and an approximate head-count, in that case. Betsy H. --------________--------________-------- From paal at gis.net Wed Nov 6 20:44:54 2002 From: paal at gis.net (Paula Lieberman) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:44:54 -0500 Subject: Secret Weapon IVAN!!!, was Re: OT: [LMB] Energy weapons References: Message-ID: <0b5901c285d5$5da72ac0$7957d63f@LAPTOP> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Vera" > On Wed, 06 Nov 2002 00:50:20 Bart Kemper wrote: > > >For every advance, someone will come up with a counter measure. > >Just as HEAT rounds were once seen as "the best thing", layered > >armor, angled armor, and reactive armor all defeat HEAT rounds, > > The newest countermeasure to shaped-charge HEAT rounds is by running > a high-voltage electric current along the external surfaces of the > armor. The current totally defeats the plasma jet of the HEAT round > and the armored vehicle only suffers shallow scratches which sometimes > do not penetrate the paint. Military technology has pretty much always been a competition between offensive technology and defensive technologuy -- Group A comes up with some advance in offense or defense, and Group B eventually comes up with some technique or technology or strategy to defeat A's advance. But against stupidity, and things like Ivan Vorpatril, which aren't terribly predictable [yes, there will be stupidity. The lethal form it's going to take, however....].... Example -- back when I was in the USAF in Colorado Springs, an Army Ranger officer told me about an idiot enlisted troops whose interest in finding out what was inside an artillery shell manifested itself in his taking the shell and bashing it against a tree until it exploded in his face..... amazingly the person did NOT achieve what today is referred to as eligibility for a Darwin Award, his utter stupidity was NOT fatal. He was however permanently maimed and in both eyes blinded. People doing stupid things with munitions is not new, so the military tries to make munitions be as stable as possible to avoid having them go BOOM when moved, loaded, etc., and does lots of training to people to try to make them respect that this stuff is designed to go BOOM and therefore it behooves one to be extremely careful and very possessive of them, don't let this stuff be unattended, keep it from adverse environmental conditions.... but the thought that someone would be so utterly stupid as to beat an artillery shell against a tree to get inside it!.... Likewise, Ivan, Ivan is going to do things that people don't reasonably expect he is going to do. That saved his life and Miles' back in The Warrior's Apprentice, when Ivan took an uapproved non-standard route to get to Miles, while meanwhile one of the vessels he was suppoed to have traveled on, met with a fatal-to-all-on-board pre-planned incident. While it was perfectly within character for Ivan to have done what Ivan did, it was not the sort of things that a typical young military Vor would have been espected to have done. Therefore, Ivan's would-have-been murder failed in the murder attempt, having assumed that Ivan would have automatically done as the typical young military Vor. The bottom line, is that the normal set of measures and countermeasures applicable to the standard Vor, don't apply to Ivan, therefore, Ivan is a Secret Weapon. Miles is very obviously Not the Common Mode. Ivan however is not.... --------________--------________-------- From tiamat at tsoft.com Wed Nov 6 20:52:53 2002 From: tiamat at tsoft.com (Azalais Malfoy) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:52:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LMB] Yay, us! OT: In-Reply-To: <008d01c2831c$5d276120$3201a8c0@MBAXIS> Message-ID: <20021106125241.U48469-100000@shell.rawbw.com> On Sun, 3 Nov 2002, Michael Bauminger wrote: > On Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:20 PM, "Marna Nightingale" > marna at redmaplegrove.org wrote: > > > For all the people who asked to be told when the > > encyclopedia Kiri and I among a cast of dozens > > were working on last spring came out -- > > > > It's out! it's out! > > Congratulations, Marna and Kiri! > Thanks! ~malfoy ************************************************************************** "That wickedness weltering around inside of you, inside of everyone, is sacred somewhere. There's a deity out there who digs it. You can respect and love your darkest side, disposing only of what is obsolete or impractical. It's all about giving yourself permission." --Jack Darkhand "It is better to be cruel for love than for hate." --Thomas Burnett Swann --------________--------________-------- From gregeh at microsoft.com Wed Nov 6 20:58:42 2002 From: gregeh at microsoft.com (Greg Ehrig) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:58:42 -0800 Subject: [LMB] Laser shoots down artillery shell Message-ID: <4DBFF73E8DB1DD4EBCE8E69EC30FF4E305732654@red-msg-12.redmond .corp.microsoft.com> Katyskas I could see, but being able to burn through an artillery shell, with it's much thicker skin, seems to indicate that you could knock down a Sturmovik with one fairly easily. There would still be a place for armor on the battlefield -- mobility and firepower, combined with the fact that you're shielded by the ground at long range. But the total cost for the experimental system looks cheap. I suspect that once you have the platform, your only expendable is the laser 'fuel' and the vehicle fuel. I wasn't thinking so much of actual destruction of the carrier as I was its reason for being -- if airplanes are pretty much so much scrap, what would be the purpose of having a carrier? Maybe we should take the Missouri out of mothballs.. -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Lambdin-Abraham [mailto:a.abraham at mail.utexas.edu] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 9:17 PM To: lois-bujold at lists.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: [LMB] Laser shoots down artillery shell On Tuesday, November 5, 2002, at 10:10 PM, Jill Wyrtham wrote: > I envision a > fast-attack submarine, THEL equipped as its only weapon. Get in close, > surface, point, fire a dozen bursts until the target is neutralized > from shock and heat, then pull the THEL inside, dive, and run for it. You're starting with the "Get in close" as the easy part. If you can get in close, current torpedoes are pretty good at taking out a carrier too. > Can't envision what could shield against it, I understand it causes > surface > temps in the 10,000 degree range but that may be wrong (ballpark right > tho). > By the time the carrier's escorts realize there is a problem, the > carrier is > burning slag. the other ships are then expensive coast guard cutters, > useless in theater terms. Even if you lose the sub it's still cheap at > the > price! The THEL works by heating up the target until the onboard warhead detonates. I've seen the video of it used against Kytushas, and it sets off the rocket propellant. I certainly have seen no indication of it being anywhere near enough to actually melt metal, cause damage to a large target, etc. It may be able to handle aircraft by going after their fuel tanks, but to suggest that this design is capable against carriers is beyond even the wildest speculation I've seen elsewhere. Andrew -- Lois-Bujold mailing list Lois-Bujold at lists.herald.co.uk http://lists.herald.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/lois-bujold --------________--------________-------- From jabrwok at mail.utexas.edu Wed Nov 6 21:05:28 2002 From: jabrwok at mail.utexas.edu (Jason Bontrager) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 15:05:28 -0600 Subject: [LMB] Laser shoots down artillery shell References: <4DBFF73E8DB1DD4EBCE8E69EC30FF4E305732654@red-msg-12.redmond .corp.microsoft.com> Message-ID: <3DC98418.42F79E55@mail.utexas.edu> Greg Ehrig wrote: > I wasn't thinking so much of actual destruction of the carrier as I was > its reason for being -- if airplanes are pretty much so much scrap, what > would be the purpose of having a carrier? Maybe we should take the > Missouri out of mothballs.. Lasers are a line-of-sight weapon. Hills, clouds, planetary curvature, canyons, etc. tend to interfere with targeting. Aircraft carriers might adapt to carry airborne reflectors to allow 'bank shots' with lasers. Send up an aircraft with an attached mirror, use mirror to look over horizon, shoot (via mirror) at target. Your aircraft would be vulnerable of course, but you could use multiple, disposable UAV's for this purpose. Jason B. --------________--------________-------- From paal at gis.net Wed Nov 6 21:05:55 2002 From: paal at gis.net (Paula Lieberman) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:05:55 -0500 Subject: [LMB] House Ideas? References: <20021106062751.9205.qmail@web20802.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0b6601c285d8$4f44e320$7957d63f@LAPTOP> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois Aleta Fundis" > James M. BRYANT, G4CLF writes that > in his proposed new house > > > It goes without saying that there WILL be > > > a library. > > Of course, what James really *needs* (as do I and > probably many other listees) is a library with living > space included. Exactly! However, kitchens and bathrooms should be separated out from the main library collections, to avoid damage and deterioration to books, among other reasons. Hmmm, I wonder if Lord Mark Vorkosigan would like to live in a library -- books make EXCELLENT insulation, after all. They do combust at a relatively low temperature, but using materials to build the library at that reduce the temperatures in the Library to prevent spontaneous combustion of books, might deal with that. Other hazards, such as falling books, there might need to be preventive measures to address, also. --------________--------________-------- From paal at gis.net Wed Nov 6 21:14:13 2002 From: paal at gis.net (Paula Lieberman) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:14:13 -0500 Subject: [LMB] telephone solicitation ot: References: <20021105162515.85148.qmail@web11405.mail.yahoo.com> <010601c2854f$6709c7c0$0200a8c0@ray> Message-ID: <0b8e01c285d9$764891a0$7957d63f@LAPTOP> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Drouillard" > I'm not ambivalent about it at all. I have the first amendment right to say > what I want, but I don't have the right to demand to use your soapbox. I > can't demand that the owner of lists.herald.co.uk retransmit my email to > y'all. If I become out of line, I expect to lose my privelidge to use that > server. > > The government can mandate "equal time" on (RF) broadcast radio and TV It stopped doing that, however.... ptui. > because the RF spectrum is a limited resource that is licensed by the > govrenment. If the stations want to keep their licenses, they will play by > the rules. Hopefully (theoretically), those rules represent the will and The rules got eradicated, however.... and oh does it ever show AFAIC.... > best interests of "We The People" (tm). > > So, If I don't want some nitwit using *my* telephone equipment to pipe a > message to me, I have the perfect moral right to request that he cease and > desist. If they want to start ringing pay phones... hey, that's between > them and Ma Bell. --------________--------________-------- From RayLists at quixnet.net Wed Nov 6 21:09:35 2002 From: RayLists at quixnet.net (Ray Drouillard) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:09:35 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Laser shoots down artillery shell References: <20021106.011544.-260755.0.mdbrazier@juno.com> Message-ID: <008801c285d8$cf755ac0$0200a8c0@ray> From: "Michael D Brazier" > While I know almost nothing about military affairs, a few things seem > obvious enough. On land, this type of system would simply replace > artillery and tactical aircraft; it doesn't force any fundamental change > in tactics. Infantry and tanks today need air cover to do their jobs; > tomorrow they'd need laser cover, but their jobs wouldn't alter. > > But naval battle would change profoundly. The carrier's advantage > over the battleship, that the carrier's aircraft have more range than > the battleship's guns, would disappear against a battleship armed > with laser "cannons". It doesn't matter how far a plane can fly, if > it can't safely approach its enemy. So the laser-armed battleship > would become the queen of the seas... The first thing I need to point out is that this laser cannon isn't going to cause more than superficial damage to a tank or ship -- unless it burns a hole through exactly the right place and ignites something. Aircraft can defeat it by flying low (below the horizon) and firing a missile while it is out of the laser's range. It'll make it more difficult, but aircraft will still be able to operate. Also, a laser's effectiveness goes down with thermal mass. An artillery shell simply can't absorb much heat before getting hot. An airplane is a better heat sink. Also, putting a highly mirrored surface on the plane will cause it to reflect most of the energy away. In fact, a corner reflector inside something that's designed to burn away quickly (a phony fuel tank, for instance) would be a rather nasty surprise because it would reflect the beam right back to the source. Still, I'm glad we have it and they (for varying quantities of "they") don't. Ray --------________--------________-------- From RayLists at quixnet.net Wed Nov 6 21:16:44 2002 From: RayLists at quixnet.net (Ray Drouillard) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:16:44 -0500 Subject: [LMB] Energy weapons References: <3DC8BBAC.6010605@bigdogz.com> <5.1.1.6.1.20021106043953.024a3f50@pop.siue.edu> Message-ID: <00aa01c285d9$ced8b020$0200a8c0@ray> From: "Jim Parish" > You're forgetting needlers. Projectile weapons are still in use. (For > that matter, there's the grenade that killed Miles; do we know whether > that was thrown or fired?) It was fired. Miles saw the muzzle flash. Besides, the needle entered his chest, then blew up once inside. That's how his guts ended up getting blown out. You would have to be pretty strong to throw a grenade fast enough to do that. Ray --------________--------________-------- From RayLists at quixnet.net Wed Nov 6 21:40:19 2002 From: RayLists at quixnet.net (Ray Drouillard) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:40:19 -0500 Subject: [LMB] OT: House Ideas? References: <20021106093130.GG723@chubb.wattle.id.au> <5.0.2.1.0.20021106090902.00afb900@mail.iqcisp.com> Message-ID: <013e01c285e1$56cb6020$0200a8c0@ray> From: "Louann Miller" > Be generous with your electrical circuits. We created plugs on their own > whole circuits for high-draw items like the microwave and the big t.v. Of course, the ham shack/computer room (server farm?) can have two separate twenty-amp split circuits[1] -- if there such a thing in the UK[2]. Ray Drouillard [1] In the US, houses are supplied with a three wire system -- the central wire is neutral and grounded, and the other two are at about 110-12 VAC from the center wire. If you need 220V, you can get that from the outer two wires. To supply a single 120V 20A circuit to a room, 12-2 wire (#12 wire, two conductors) is used. If you use 12-3 instead, you can run two 20A circuits because they are on opposite sides of the neutral wire. If both circuits draw the same amount of current, the neutral wire will not need to conduct any current. Therefore, the center conductor never needs to conduct more than the rated twenty amps. [2] Europe uses 220V for household purposes. The advantage is that you have twice the available power for the same current. The disadvantage is that it is quite a bit more dangerous. I don't know if the power is supplied in a split circuit or not. --------________--------________-------- From m.dolbear at lineone.net Wed Nov 6 17:52:52 2002 From: m.dolbear at lineone.net (Michael R N Dolbear) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 17:52:52 -0000 Subject: [LMB] 0T: House Ideas? Message-ID: > From: Andrew Ramage > Date: 06 November 2002 15:07 > > From: James M. BRYANT, G4CLF > > Date: 05 November 2002 14:57 > > > > > Google found me http://www.christiantorsten.com/mainframe.html which > included an example client who got the cellar he wanted (for storing > peasants and wine no doubt). > > Roast peasant is too tough for me. I think I prefer roast pheasant. See errata for _1066 And All That_ Both are better well hung, in both cases before the revolting stage is reached, subject to the availability of Magna Carta, habeas corpus and redcurrent jelly. Little Egret --------________--------________-------- From oppen at mycns.net Wed Nov 6 22:47:54 2002 From: oppen at mycns.net (Eric Oppen) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:47:54 -0600 Subject: [LMB] Energy weapons References: <3DC8BBAC.6010605@bigdogz.com> <5.1.1.6.1.20021106043953.024a3f50@pop.siue.edu> <00aa01c285d9$ced8b020$0200a8c0@ray> Message-ID: <005f01c285e6$8c7efce0$96570043@hppav> > From: "Jim Parish" > > > You're forgetting needlers. Projectile weapons are still in use. (For > > that matter, there's the grenade that killed Miles; do we know whether > > that was thrown or fired?) > > It was fired. Miles saw the muzzle flash. > > Besides, the needle entered his chest, then blew up once inside. That's how > his guts ended up getting blown out. You would have to be pretty strong to > throw a grenade fast enough to do that. > And later, when the Duronas are trying to figure out "what is it, my precious?" they give him a bunch o' disassembled weapons to reassemble from parts, including a slug-thrower. I wonder what they'd have made of my reaction once I had them all back together...hefting one in the air, standing up straight, and singing "At last, my arm is _complete_ again!" Probably, they'd have looked at each other, shaken their heads sadly, and said "Well, we know _one_ thing about him now...he's a big fan of Stephen Sondheim's _Sweeney Todd._" --------________--------________-------- From RayLists at quixnet.net Wed Nov 6 22:43:43 2002 From: RayLists at quixnet.net (Ray Drouillard) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 17:43:43 -0500 Subject: [LMB] OT: House Ideas? References: <20021106200738.20313.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <015601c285e5$f61e96c0$0200a8c0@ray> From: "Casey Allison" > Louann also recommended: > > > If you have any big wide open spaces, mid-floor > electric plugs are good too and _must_ be set up > during initial construction. < > > Seconded (and initially forgotten also) again! Even > if the floorspace isn't vast, these are nifty as can > be, and give you *much* greater flexibility in the > placement of furniture--primarily, of course, *reading > chairs with good lamps*! Good also if you find the > standard "all furniture pushed against the walls" > design to be boring and uncreative. And *excellent* > for setting up a lighted Christmas tree--be sure the > outlet operates from a wall switch, rather than j