From adkinslawfirm at mindspring.com Thu Dec 1 00:29:27 2005 From: adkinslawfirm at mindspring.com (Marty L. Adkins) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:46 2006 Subject: [LMB] I've got a job!!! [OT:] Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20051130192803.01cc93f0@pop.mindspring.com> Rowena volunteers [in more ways than one :)]: >I am going to be assitant mediathecarian in a high school (on a >voluntary basis) for 2 afternoons a week. Congratulations! I hope it works out for you & am glad you enjoyed the first day. Excelsior! Jerrie From redlion at sff.net Thu Dec 1 01:10:40 2005 From: redlion at sff.net (B. Ross Ashley) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:46 2006 Subject: [LMB] Cool, in fact cold, link of the day: Arctic political campaigns OT: Message-ID: <438E4D90.7030106@sff.net> On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:44:10 -0800 (PST), Lois Aleta Fundis wrote: > Does Canada really lay claim to the Pole? I know the North > Magnetic Pole is (or was) in Canada (it shifts around a bit), but > the actual Pole? > I'm not going to comment on your country's politics -- ours are > weird enough -- but I think right now Santa's a little busy and > won't worry much about the election for a few weeks. Oh, yeah ... insofar as the Pole is a no-dimensional point, it is at the corner of our claimed borders in the Arctic Ocean. (Since the Arctic is not "open ocean" but is in fact full of pack-ice, we figure we can claim jurisdiction all the way to the Pole. At least I think that's the argument. Marna?) The borders in question are a northward extension of our land border with your state of Alaska, and a northward extension of our sea boundary with the Danish autonomous island of Greenland. They intersect at the Pole, and that makes Santa about 1/6 Canadian ... depending, I suppose, on which side of the Pole he's domiciled on. He even has a postal code: letters to Santa from Canadian children are adressed to Santa Claus, North Pole, NWT H0H 0H0. I'm glad I don't have to canvass his house. We won't likely get into the campaign hot and heavy until after the New Year, though. There seems to be sentiment in all parties for a "Christmas truce" of sorts. -- B. Ross Ashley www.livejournal.com/users/brashley46/ http://brashley46.no-ip.info "It would be too painful to think that there are worlds somewhere where I got everything right." Sulien, in _The King's Name_, by Jo Walton Registered Linux user # 402119 From marna at marna.ca Thu Dec 1 01:27:14 2005 From: marna at marna.ca (Marna Nightingale) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:46 2006 Subject: [LMB] Cool, in fact cold, link of the day: Arctic political campaigns OT: In-Reply-To: <438E4D90.7030106@sff.net> References: <438E4D90.7030106@sff.net> Message-ID: <438E5172.4090306@marna.ca> B. Ross Ashley wrote: > We won't likely get into the > campaign hot and heavy until after the New Year, though. There seems to > be sentiment in all parties for a "Christmas truce" of sorts. If I see any pictures of them all playing soccer in the snow together, I will ralph. Fair warning. Marna. From marna at marna.ca Thu Dec 1 02:13:59 2005 From: marna at marna.ca (Marna Nightingale) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:46 2006 Subject: [LMB] Lullaby for extremely twisted children? OT: In-Reply-To: <438E5172.4090306@marna.ca> References: <438E4D90.7030106@sff.net> <438E5172.4090306@marna.ca> Message-ID: <438E5C67.4090800@marna.ca> I want to hear this sung. I want to hear this sung SO BAD (that longing has stolen my -ly away) Contains Child abuse. Francis Child, not wee dear small persons. http://www.geocities.com/wingkitty/songs/abuse.html Marna. From alayne at twobikes.ottawa.on.ca Thu Dec 1 05:13:38 2005 From: alayne at twobikes.ottawa.on.ca (alayne@twobikes.ottawa.on.ca) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:46 2006 Subject: [LMB] Lullaby for extremely twisted children? OT: In-Reply-To: <438E5C67.4090800@marna.ca> References: <438E4D90.7030106@sff.net> <438E5172.4090306@marna.ca> <438E5C67.4090800@marna.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Nov 2005, Marna Nightingale wrote: > I want to hear this sung. I want to hear this sung SO BAD (that longing has > stolen my -ly away) I want to hear the Flash Girls sing it, by preference. > Contains Child abuse. Francis Child, not wee dear small persons. Giggle! > http://www.geocities.com/wingkitty/songs/abuse.html -- Alayne McGregor alayne at twobikes.ottawa.on.ca "In fact, every one of us comes into this world naked and helpless, and most leave it in the same condition -- and we are dependent on one another every single day in between. The 'stand on your own feet and take care of yourself' attitude the right wing keeps pushing is not only cruel, but stupid, too." -- Molly Ivins From paal at gis.net Thu Dec 1 05:36:28 2005 From: paal at gis.net (Paula Lieberman) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:46 2006 Subject: [LMB] Cool, in fact cold, link of the day: Arctic political campaigns OT: References: <438E4D90.7030106@sff.net> Message-ID: <027301c5f639$2e1a2000$da68fea9@heaviside> [far far far far behind.... I've been readjusting to things like regular work week work and adjusting to commuting into and out of Cambridge, sometimes via Boston (there are NO good ways to get from where I live to Kendall Square in Cambridge. There are lots and lots of suboptimal paths, but no -good- paths. And mass transit takes -longer- than driving, and is even -more- inconvenient, from where I live.... I thought about taking mass transit, but the logistics for it were even less appealing that driving in and out of Cambridge... and a couple of the routes into there go -through- part of Boston, take I-93 over a bridge parallel to the Zakim Bunker Hill Bridge to Storrow and across the Longfellow Bridge, turn right at the light and then turn right into the parking lot in the building I'm working in. Otherwise I have to drive through some amount more of Cambridge through more street traffic and more pedestrian traffic. There are -no- exits from I-93 that go more directly into Cambridge, than going all the way across the parallel unnamed (as far as I know) bridge. So, I get the commute to PITA-to-get-to-ville, which takes most of an hour each way provided the traffic is moving and not playing parking lot along the way, in which case it takes more time. Were I to use mass transit it would be more than an hour each way I think, and mode changes--car to bus or train, bus to bus to subway with the buses on rather constrained shedules, or train to subway to subway change (the Green Line and Red Line intersect at Park Street with the Red Line having Park Street Under... there's an old SF story, A Subway Named Moebius, part of which takes place in Park Street Under Under.... ) or perhaps train to subway to bus. ANYWAY, I would still have to get -to- a mass transit location first, and then have to deal with the shedule issues.... so I drive, which has a lot more flexibility for me, there are a bunch of different roads I can go on, including 3A to US3 and then more choices about going through Arlington vs Winchester versus Medford or Somerville or... , I could go down 38 through Woburn and Winchester, or 128 to 93 and get off at the McGrath-O'Brien Highway in Somerville and then get off it in Somerville and cut over to Cambridge going through a choice of streets in Somerville, or get off I-93 heading towards Sullivan Square and go across what used to be called the Prison Point Bridge into the Lechmere part of Cambridge and go through there to Kendall, I could even go in the opposite direction on 128 to route 2 and head in through UGHUGHUGHUGH Fresh Pond Parkway which road I had had great dislike for my entire lifel (narrow and windy and crowded and involving a bridge too narrow that was rebuilt too narrow because Cambridge insisted and TWO utterly noxious traffic circles and that doesn't include the noxious former traffic circle at Alewife) or Alewife Brook Parkway to Massachusetts Avenue (wider but crowded and full of traffic lights and pedestrians and noxious traffic intersections and cut over across I forget the name street at across Porter Square, or... anyway, LOTS of choices, none of them GOOD choices, but... ] ----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Ross Ashley" > On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:44:10 -0800 (PST), Lois Aleta Fundis > wrote: > > Does Canada really lay claim to the Pole? I know the North > > Magnetic Pole is (or was) in Canada (it shifts around a bit), but > > the actual Pole? > > > I'm not going to comment on your country's politics -- ours are > > weird enough -- but I think right now Santa's a little busy and > > won't worry much about the election for a few weeks. > > Oh, yeah ... insofar as the Pole is a no-dimensional point, it is at the corner of our claimed borders in the Arctic Ocean. (Since the Arctic is not "open ocean" but is in fact full of pack-ice, we figure we can claim jurisdiction all the way to the Pole. At least I think that's the argument. Marna?) The borders in question are a northward extension of our land border with your state of Alaska, and a northward extension of our sea boundary with the Danish autonomous island of Greenland. They intersect at the Pole, and that makes Santa about 1/6 Canadian ... depending, I suppose, on which side of the Pole he's domiciled on. He even has a postal code: letters to Santa from Canadian children are adressed to Santa Claus, North Pole, NWT H0H 0H0. > > I'm glad I don't have to canvass his house. We won't likely get into the campaign hot and heavy until after the New Year, though. There seems to be sentiment in all parties for a "Christmas truce" of sorts. The northernment inhabited island in the world is I think in Norway. Someone I was up in Thule with had a story of woe about getting stuck out heading for it or some such and having to be rescued by the Soviets... From paal at gis.net Thu Dec 1 05:49:40 2005 From: paal at gis.net (Paula Lieberman) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:46 2006 Subject: [LMB] I've got a job!!! [ OT: ] References: <438D8923.3090701@zonnet.nl> Message-ID: <02b001c5f63b$06372db0$da68fea9@heaviside> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rowena" > yeeee!!! me tooo!!! Hmm, there's a Birthday Tixie, is there a Job Tixie running around, too? [I remain grateful that I am working again. Yes, it means that I've gotten horrendously far behind here and such, but it means that I have income to live on again finally!] > I am going to be assitant mediathecarian in a high school (on a > voluntary basis) for 2 afternoons a week. > > The mediatheek has got books, magazines, DVD's and computers, all of > wich the pupils may use for study purposes. I had my first trial day > yesterday, it was mainly taking in their passes and telling them wich > computer to use, but some pupils came for books. It was on the noisy I had a coworker who had when he was an undergraduate at Brandeis, worked in the facility where the students used university computing facilities. He had a bunch of customer support-type stories about Clueless Wonder Users, such as the person who folded up the old 5 1/4" IBM PC-style floppy diskette when there was no IBM PC available and there was a Mac available, and stuffed it into the Mac's floppy drive... > side for me, but I'll have to wait and see if I can manage. (If I can't > that would be sad, for it says something about what my limitations are, > but it has no financial consequences, this is pure on a trial basis). If > I like it there and the school likes me they will sponsor an official I hope that the position works out really well for you. > eduction program for me. This is a realy nice prospect, it is not so > common that volunteers get a part of the educationbudget of an > organisation. I will see how it goes, the first day was nice. > > Rowena, not a librarian From paal at gis.net Thu Dec 1 05:58:32 2005 From: paal at gis.net (Paula Lieberman) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:46 2006 Subject: [LMB] I've got a job!!! [OT:] References: <438D8923.3090701@zonnet.nl><6.2.5.6.2.20051130111346.0255b128@cox.net> <438DE183.8070203@zonnet.nl> Message-ID: <02b901c5f63c$42d51a60$da68fea9@heaviside> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rowena" > Peter H. Granzeau wrote: > > > > > Huh? "Mediathecarian" and "mediatheek" are words that Merriam-Webster > > hasn't caught up with. > > ok, the words ought to be 'mediatheek' and 'mediathecaris' they are > Dutch, hence you're inabbility to find them. The Dutch word for library > is bibliotheek so mediatheek is a place where you can browse and borrow > different media. The bibliothecaris is the librarian and the I think it would be called a media center, or perhaps just library or media library, over here, and the person working there, a customer service person or customer support person or help desk person or media librarian or such. > mediathecaris would be what? mediararian? > I was at a loss for the actual English words and I assumed the meaning > would be clear enough due to the description of the place and the work. > Sorry if I caused any confusion. Bibliotheek sound like it was derived from e.g. the French "bibliotheque" [or whatever the word is, that looks from to me]. English is a language accused of going out and mugging other languages for words... "library" comes sort of from the Latin "libris" and there are bookplates with "ex libris" preprinted on them available here. Dutch is a descendant of German, which has the habit of making words by concatenating long strings of words into a single word. English is much less inclined that way, words like cellphone get formed that way, but often an acronym gets created instead of keeping the full entirety of all the words involved--laser originally was an acronym formed from Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation. Radar started out as the acronym created from RAdio Detection And Ranging. From paal at gis.net Thu Dec 1 06:07:26 2005 From: paal at gis.net (Paula Lieberman) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:46 2006 Subject: [LMB] I've got a job!!! [ OT: ] References: <20051130182122.56925.qmail@web60022.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <02c001c5f63d$816f4c40$da68fea9@heaviside> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois Aleta Fundis" > --- "Peter H. Granzeau" wrote: > > > At 06:12 AM 11/30/2005, Rowena wrote: > > >I am going to be assitant mediathecarian in a high school (on a > > >voluntary basis) for 2 afternoons a week. > > > > > >The mediatheek has got books, magazines, DVD's and computers, all > > of > > >wich the pupils may use for study purposes. > > > > > > Huh? "Mediathecarian" and "mediatheek" are words that > > Merriam-Webster hasn't caught up with. > > (I'm hoping that by answering Pete's question, since his e-mail seems > to be OK, that the weird coding problem won't happen here.) > > They're probably Dutch, since Rowena is from the Netherlands. > > The -thecarian and -theek endings are probably borrowings from their > word for library, which in French is "bibliotheque", and librarian, > "bibliothecaire", added to "media" which would be an attempt to > indicate that their library has other things than books. (Much as > "discotheque" was originally a reference to a library for records, as > in LPs, 45s, etc., before becoming a place to dance to records and > eventually a whole music genre called "disco".) The old automated audio recording playing systems from the 1950s and 1960s and 1970s involved plastic precorded media discs with audio tracks on them, inside a jukebox, the customers put money in and selected a list of recordings to play, the machine shuffled the discs around to play the recordings in the selected order. A person who manually picked out discs to play from, got called a "disc jockey" for jockeying/shuffling around all those discs. The place where the disc jockey worked playing music got called a disco/discotheque after the discs, as opposed a "nightclub" where there were live bands/live music, rather than prerecorded music picked out by a disc jockey. The disc jockey with the record library was less expensive than live musicians, and there was only the one person to deal with, not individuals who needed breaks from playing sets, who needed more setup space, warm-up time, might be drunk or on various pharmaceuticals, etc. The disc library was usually owned by the DJ who was picking the recordings to play, rather than the recordings belongingto the facility. That also meant that the DJ had some or all of the responsibility for ensuring compliance with ASCAP/BMI for the music being played--the facility might have licensing, but the DJ had better make sure that either the DJ or the facility or both were covered by licensing. From mitcham.beth at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 07:34:22 2005 From: mitcham.beth at gmail.com (Beth Mitcham) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:46 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Hallowed Hunt Comments In-Reply-To: <003b01c5f5f7$58bbb130$6401a8c0@Andor> References: <200511292005.jATK4rZ9011576@lists.herald.co.uk> <003b01c5f5f7$58bbb130$6401a8c0@Andor> Message-ID: On 11/30/05, Andrew wrote: > > > Except that we have textev that the funery miracle is falsifiable only for > as long as the gods allow it to be faked. And at that the faker should be > glad he was corrected by a god with a sense of humor. Except that the texted is that the priests expected they would be able to force a choice, which indicates that the gods frequently don't pay as close attention. The archdivine really pushes to get Dondo accepted by the daughter, which indicates he doesn't assume he'll fail. We know the gods are real, so we know that no god accepts his soul because it is stuck in Caz's gut, but if I were a skeptic, I'd probably think Dondo's body really stunk, maybe somebody who disliked him had laced it with something nasty to wreck his funeral and make animals shy away from the body. The belief that the characters have in the Five Gods does (to me) read very similarly to the belief in Christianity you read in old texts. Beth Mitcham, finally on topic again From dtilque at nwlink.com Thu Dec 1 07:36:51 2005 From: dtilque at nwlink.com (Dan Tilque) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Hallowed Hunt Comments References: <200511292005.jATK4rZ9011576@lists.herald.co.uk> <003b01c5f5f7$58bbb130$6401a8c0@Andor> Message-ID: <003e01c5f649$ffb318a0$06c23442@nwlink.com> Andrew wrote: >>> What do you mean by falsifiable? Do you mean fakable, with >>> trained animals? >> >> Exactly. I guess 'falsifiable' was the wrong word there. > > Except that we have textev that the funery miracle is > falsifiable only for as long as the gods allow it to be faked. Again, this is not something the average person knows. We learn about it because we have a view from Ingrey's PoV and he can hear the gods courtesy of his wolf. BTW, does anyone else think it a bit odd that an animal spirit helps one hear the gods, yet prevents one from entering into the gods' post-life? Seems like a bit of contradiction there. -- Dan Tilque From agnes at charrel.net Thu Dec 1 08:07:26 2005 From: agnes at charrel.net (Agnes Charrel-Berthillier) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Hallowed Hunt Comments In-Reply-To: <003e01c5f649$ffb318a0$06c23442@nwlink.com> References: <200511292005.jATK4rZ9011576@lists.herald.co.uk> <003b01c5f5f7$58bbb130$6401a8c0@Andor> <003e01c5f649$ffb318a0$06c23442@nwlink.com> Message-ID: <438EAF3E.1090205@charrel.net> Dan Tilque wrote: > BTW, does anyone else think it a bit odd that an animal spirit > helps one hear the gods, yet prevents one from entering into the > gods' post-life? Seems like a bit of contradiction there. The gods are supposed to be able to influence animals more readily than humans, so that it would make sense that an animal spirit would help one hear the gods. Although I am not sure that any animal spirit would do: Ingrey's does, but it is a shaman's great beast. Ijada seems to have much more limited contact with the son and that seems to be more because she is a saint than a because she is a spirit warrior. As for the part about not being able to pass into the gods' hands... I sort of assumed that the gate that opens when a human dies is the wrong "shape" to let an animal's soul through, and if the souls are tied together... But I am not sure it makes sense either. Agnes From agnes at charrel.net Thu Dec 1 08:12:22 2005 From: agnes at charrel.net (Agnes Charrel-Berthillier) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Hallowed Hunt Comments In-Reply-To: <003e01c5f649$ffb318a0$06c23442@nwlink.com> References: <200511292005.jATK4rZ9011576@lists.herald.co.uk> <003b01c5f5f7$58bbb130$6401a8c0@Andor> <003e01c5f649$ffb318a0$06c23442@nwlink.com> Message-ID: <438EB066.1090505@charrel.net> A more generic comment about HH: I have been loaning the Chalion books to a coworker who likes fantasy better than SF and had never heard of Bujold. He liked all three books about equally. So he falls on the same hump of the bactrian camel as I do. He didn't run out to buy his own copies (so I am not counting him as a convert yet), but he has been coming back asking for more three times already. SoH+Barrayar are next... Agnes From agnes at charrel.net Thu Dec 1 08:25:32 2005 From: agnes at charrel.net (Agnes Charrel-Berthillier) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Hallowed Hunt Comments In-Reply-To: References: <1132629351.1189.26.camel@ilmarin> <021701c5ef20$5e036580$83c13442@nwlink.com> <1132716360.1069.58.camel@ilmarin> <000a01c5f4bf$57851ec0$7cc33442@nwlink.com> Message-ID: <438EB37C.50309@charrel.net> Beth Mitcham wrote: > I think most of the magic stuff in HH was private; I should reread it > with the eye of a skeptic. Not only was nearly all the magic stuff private (except for the very public scene with the bear at the funeral, which shows that Ingrey is a spirit warrior with power over wild animals, not much about the actual existence of the gods), but Ingrey seems very much convinced that starting to blab about seeing the gods and getting orders from them will get him dismissed as a madman. Now Ingrey *is* cynical, but he has been brushing against men of great political power and... I don't see the archdivine of the Weald being as deferential towards possible saints as Mendenal was in Chalion. Even Letwo, who believes him, has the second sight and some strong credentials withing the church hierarchy as a former very powerful sorcerer, doesn't go around advertizing Ingrey (or Ijada) as having a direct line to the Son (or himself as being a saint of the Bastard). The discussion about the trial Ijada is about to face and standards of proof for divine intervention is quite telling. Even Caz, with the full support of the archdivine of Chalion, didn't tell the dowager provincara od Baocia that he was a saint of the Daughter and the host of two miracles, fearing her reaction. And she was supposed to be a pious woman, in her own way. Agnes From dtilque at nwlink.com Thu Dec 1 08:48:50 2005 From: dtilque at nwlink.com (Dan Tilque) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Hallowed Hunt Comments References: <200511292005.jATK4rZ9011576@lists.herald.co.uk> <003b01c5f5f7$58bbb130$6401a8c0@Andor><003e01c5f649$ffb318a0$06c23442@nwlink.com> <438EAF3E.1090205@charrel.net> Message-ID: <006b01c5f654$0dcdbd00$06c23442@nwlink.com> Agnes Charrel-Berthillier wrote: > Dan Tilque wrote: > >> BTW, does anyone else think it a bit odd that an animal spirit >> helps one hear the gods, yet prevents one from entering into >> the gods' post-life? Seems like a bit of contradiction there. > > The gods are supposed to be able to influence animals more > readily than humans, so that it would make sense that an > animal spirit would help one hear the gods. Good point. > > Although I am not sure that any animal spirit would do: > Ingrey's does, but it is a shaman's great beast. Ijada seems > to have much more limited contact with the son and that seems > to be more because she is a saint than a because she is a > spirit warrior. I'm fairly sure Ijada is not a saint. And she has about the same contact with the Son that Ingrey does -- the scene where Ingrey releases the animal spirits from Boleso's soul being the only time. She does get a taste of the Son's presence when He comforts the leopard's spirit. After that, she hungered for more. Ingrey does not hunger for more, and, in fact, does not want *any* contact with the gods. > > As for the part about not being able to pass into the gods' > hands... I sort of assumed that the gate that opens when a > human dies is the wrong "shape" to let an animal's soul > through, and if the souls are tied together... But I am not > sure it makes sense either. I'm not sure shape is the issue. Animal spirits seem to have a different destination than human spirits, so the gods cannot take them in. At least that's essentially what the Son says in the aforementioned scene. -- Dan Tilque From morgaine at zonnet.nl Thu Dec 1 09:19:31 2005 From: morgaine at zonnet.nl (Rowena) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: AKIKIF: Lost Book In-Reply-To: <20051130.142308.29476.12773@webmail22.lax.untd.com> References: <20051130.142308.29476.12773@webmail22.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: <438EC023.4040505@zonnet.nl> Kirsten Edwards wrote: >"The book starts off with a women and her husband out in their house out in the redwood forest of California. > > >Nearly the entire world has been emptied except for the children and select adults who display a wide variety of necessary skills for the continuation of the human species as an educated race. Only the bad elements have been removed." > > >Any ideas? > > it rings a bell, but very, very vaguely. I am afraid I can't point you in the right direction, the only thing I can say is that something in my mind started to whisper Octavia Butler. But I know most of her books fairly well and than I would know wich one it is. Could it be a short story? Or maybe an embeded story in an other book? If it suddenly pops into my head I'll let you know. (Oh and please share if you figure it out, thnx) Rowena From dbernat at gol.com Thu Dec 1 09:30:48 2005 From: dbernat at gol.com (David Bernat) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: AKIKIF: Lost Book In-Reply-To: <438EC023.4040505@zonnet.nl> Message-ID: <5Kwa9dZi.1133429448.8368920.dbernat@gol.com> Could the book in question be Kate Wilhelm's _Where Late the Sweet Birds Sang_? From morgaine at zonnet.nl Thu Dec 1 09:40:54 2005 From: morgaine at zonnet.nl (Rowena) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: AKIKIF: Lost Book In-Reply-To: <5Kwa9dZi.1133429448.8368920.dbernat@gol.com> References: <5Kwa9dZi.1133429448.8368920.dbernat@gol.com> Message-ID: <438EC526.1090506@zonnet.nl> David Bernat wrote: >Could the book in question be Kate Wilhelm's >_Where Late the Sweet Birds Sang_? > > That is a 'end of civilisation book' where people try cloning as a solution for the total decline of new births. No space ship comes to the rescue as far as I can remember. Very good book though. Rowena From mel at herald.co.uk Thu Dec 1 09:44:20 2005 From: mel at herald.co.uk (Melanie Dymond Harper) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] ADMIN: archives now sorted In-Reply-To: <200512010738.jB17bXIN026297@lists.herald.co.uk> References: <200512010738.jB17bXIN026297@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <20051201094420.GD24397@mail.herald.co.uk> OK, that was interesting; file it under "unintended side-effects of Apache configuration changes". The archives are now accessible again. -- Mel From dbernat at gol.com Thu Dec 1 11:30:46 2005 From: dbernat at gol.com (David Bernat) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: AKIKIF: Lost Book In-Reply-To: <438EC526.1090506@zonnet.nl> Message-ID: "Rowena" wrote: >That is a 'end of civilisation book' where people try cloning as a >solution for the total decline of new births. No space ship comes to the >rescue as far as I can remember. Very good book though. The only other book (inclusive of a book containing short stories) I can recollect that is set in California's Redwood Country is Zenna Henderson's The People series. From mathews55 at msn.com Thu Dec 1 13:50:01 2005 From: mathews55 at msn.com (PAT MATHEWS) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: AKIKIF: Lost Book In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >From: "David Bernat" >ship comes to the > >rescue as far as I can remember. Very good book though. > >The only other book (inclusive of a book containing >short stories) I can recollect that is set in >California's Redwood Country is Zenna Henderson's >The People series. > Uh-uh. Southern New Mexico, probably around Reserve. From t.vinson at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 1 13:51:28 2005 From: t.vinson at sbcglobal.net (Tom Vinson) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Cool, in fact cold, link of the day: Arctic political campaigns OT: Message-ID: <20051201135128.18832.qmail@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> On Wed, 30 Nov, Marna posted: >About the election, but not a partisan story. Just: >The North Pole is IN HER RIDING. >How cool is that? > >Marna, wondering how Santa votes. (Cue Arlo Guthrie) "Santa Claus wears a red suit; he's a communist." Tom From rachel at compromise.fsnet.co.uk Thu Dec 1 14:14:30 2005 From: rachel at compromise.fsnet.co.uk (Rachel Ganz) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Cool, in fact cold, link of the day: Arctic political campaigns OT: Message-ID: <4728948.1133446470039.JavaMail.www@wwinf3103> > (Cue Arlo Guthrie) > "Santa Claus wears a red suit; he's a communist." Ah, but he doesn't redistribute wealth, he only gives toys to people who could afford them anyway... Rachel From jpolowin at hotmail.com Thu Dec 1 14:40:01 2005 From: jpolowin at hotmail.com (Joel Polowin) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Lullaby for extremely twisted children? OT: In-Reply-To: <200512010737.jB17bXIM026297@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: Marna Nightingale wrote: >I want to hear this sung. I want to hear this sung SO BAD (that longing >has stolen my -ly away) > >Contains Child abuse. Francis Child, not wee dear small persons. > >http://www.geocities.com/wingkitty/songs/abuse.html The author's a friend of mine. I, and another mutual friend, have been nudging her to pay us a visit for quite some time now. I'll pass the message along that someone else here wants to hear her. See also: http://www.dnaco.net/~mobrien/filk/fantasy/funny/maymorn.txt Joel From sraun at fireopal.org Thu Dec 1 15:52:24 2005 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Lullaby for extremely twisted children? OT: In-Reply-To: <438E5C67.4090800@marna.ca> References: <438E4D90.7030106@sff.net> <438E5172.4090306@marna.ca> <438E5C67.4090800@marna.ca> Message-ID: <20051201155224.GA28600@fireopal.org> On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 09:13:59PM -0500, Marna Nightingale wrote: > Contains Child abuse. Francis Child, not wee dear small persons. > > http://www.geocities.com/wingkitty/songs/abuse.html And, following down a comment at the bottom of the page, I ended up finding a version of "Old Time Religion" for the Flying Spaghetti Monster! (see http://www.whitetreeaz.com/vintage/realotr.htm - there are a LOT of OTR variants there!) -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From adkinslawfirm at mindspring.com Thu Dec 1 17:36:43 2005 From: adkinslawfirm at mindspring.com (Marty L. Adkins) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Lullaby for extremely twisted children? OT: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20051201122803.01cdcff0@pop.mindspring.com> Marna strongly recommends: >Contains Child abuse. Francis Child, not wee dear small persons. > >http://www.geocities.com/wingkitty/songs/abuse.html And I retort with: http://www.whitetreeaz.com/vintage/realotr.htm [Look specifically under "Child ballads", although there're all sorts of other delights lurking about.] Jerrie, facilitatrix of fun, passer-on of puns From adkinslawfirm at mindspring.com Thu Dec 1 17:45:15 2005 From: adkinslawfirm at mindspring.com (Marty L. Adkins) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Trailer for Pirates of the Caribbean 2 OT: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20051201124355.01cdd138@pop.mindspring.com> http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/piratesofthecaribbeandeadmanschest.html;_ylt=AiD7e6zq80QyfFS89ipDFudfVXcA Jerrie From pgranzeau at cox.net Thu Dec 1 16:33:23 2005 From: pgranzeau at cox.net (Peter H. Granzeau) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Cool, in fact cold, link of the day: Arctic political campaigns OT: In-Reply-To: <438E4D90.7030106@sff.net> References: <438E4D90.7030106@sff.net> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20051201113220.02566a08@cox.net> At 08:10 PM 11/30/2005, B. Ross Ashley wrote: >On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:44:10 -0800 (PST), Lois Aleta Fundis > >wrote: > >>Does Canada really lay claim to the Pole? I know the North >>Magnetic Pole is (or was) in Canada (it shifts around a bit), but >>the actual Pole? > >>I'm not going to comment on your country's politics -- ours are >>weird enough -- but I think right now Santa's a little busy and >>won't worry much about the election for a few weeks. > >Oh, yeah ... insofar as the Pole is a no-dimensional point, it is at >the corner of our claimed borders in the Arctic Ocean. (Since the >Arctic is not "open ocean" but is in fact full of pack-ice, we >figure we can claim jurisdiction all the way to the Pole. At least I >think that's the argument. Marna?) The borders in question are a >northward extension of our land border with your state of Alaska, >and a northward extension of our sea boundary with the Danish >autonomous island of Greenland. They intersect at the Pole, and that >makes Santa about 1/6 Canadian ... depending, I suppose, on which >side of the Pole he's domiciled on. He even has a postal code: >letters to Santa from Canadian children are adressed to Santa Claus, >North Pole, NWT H0H 0H0. >I'm glad I don't have to canvass his house. We won't likely get into >the campaign hot and heavy until after the New Year, though. There >seems to be sentiment in all parties for a "Christmas truce" of sorts. I guess that an assumption is made that Santa's house is in the NWT, and not in Nunavut? -- Regards, Pete pgranzeau@cox.net From pgranzeau at cox.net Thu Dec 1 16:43:49 2005 From: pgranzeau at cox.net (Peter H. Granzeau) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Hallowed Hunt Comments In-Reply-To: <003e01c5f649$ffb318a0$06c23442@nwlink.com> References: <200511292005.jATK4rZ9011576@lists.herald.co.uk> <003b01c5f5f7$58bbb130$6401a8c0@Andor> <003e01c5f649$ffb318a0$06c23442@nwlink.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20051201113626.0257e3c0@cox.net> At 02:36 AM 12/1/2005, Dan Tilque wrote: >Again, this is not something the average person knows. We learn >about it because we have a view from Ingrey's PoV and he can hear >the gods courtesy of his wolf. > >BTW, does anyone else think it a bit odd that an animal spirit >helps one hear the gods, yet prevents one from entering into the >gods' post-life? Seems like a bit of contradiction there. I wasn't so convinced that his wolf was the reason he could hear the gods. Others don't need a spirit to hear the gods speak to them, and others with spirit animals don't hear the gods. Ingrey was the tool chosen by the Son of Autumn to right a vast wrong (separation of thousands from the gods), just as elsewhen, Cazaril and Ista were chosen by the gods to right serious wrongs. Although we don't know exactly, the Daughter's comment to Caz about how many were set on the same path that he had taken might also be true in the case Ingrey was finally able to handle. We don't know how many others were given a chance to right that wrong, and failed somehow. -- Regards, Pete pgranzeau@cox.net From pgranzeau at cox.net Thu Dec 1 16:55:24 2005 From: pgranzeau at cox.net (Peter H. Granzeau) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] I've got a job!!! [OT:] In-Reply-To: <438DE183.8070203@zonnet.nl> References: <438D8923.3090701@zonnet.nl> <6.2.5.6.2.20051130111346.0255b128@cox.net> <438DE183.8070203@zonnet.nl> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20051201115122.02534608@cox.net> At 12:29 PM 11/30/2005, Rowena wrote: >Peter H. Granzeau wrote: > >>Huh? "Mediathecarian" and "mediatheek" are words that >>Merriam-Webster hasn't caught up with. > >ok, the words ought to be 'mediatheek' and 'mediathecaris' they are >Dutch, hence you're inabbility to find them. The Dutch word for >library is bibliotheek so mediatheek is a place where you can browse >and borrow different media. The bibliothecaris is the librarian and >the mediathecaris would be what? mediararian? >I was at a loss for the actual English words and I assumed the >meaning would be clear enough due to the description of the place >and the work. Sorry if I caused any confusion. Thank you. I wasn't thinking in Dutch, for some reason, and "-theek" just didn't suggest anything to me. I have a sneaking suspicion that "media librarian" and "media library" would probably be the most used English for the two terms (because "mediarian" and "mediary" just don't suggest what they are in the same way, I suppose). -- Regards, Pete pgranzeau@cox.net From pgranzeau at cox.net Thu Dec 1 16:59:38 2005 From: pgranzeau at cox.net (Peter H. Granzeau) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] I've got a job!!! [OT:] In-Reply-To: <20051130233329.93803.qmail@web60015.mail.yahoo.com> References: <1133388725.11142.248709257@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20051130233329.93803.qmail@web60015.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20051201115723.02553b60@cox.net> At 06:33 PM 11/30/2005, Lois Aleta Fundis wrote: > > Computer? Web browser? Anything? > >None. And on Yahoo it shouldn't make a difference which computer I'm >typing at anyway, since it all gets fed through their computers in >California or wherever. Which is one reason I use Yahoo for this list >-- I can do it from anywhere, work (where I might not be at the same >computer all the time, either)or home or wherever. I can use my e-mail from anywhere I can get on the Web, too. I just go to www.cox.net with a Web browser, log in, and do it from there. I don't know about other ISPs, of course. -- Regards, Pete pgranzeau@cox.net From pgranzeau at cox.net Thu Dec 1 17:03:43 2005 From: pgranzeau at cox.net (Peter H. Granzeau) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] I've got a job!!! [OT:] In-Reply-To: <02b901c5f63c$42d51a60$da68fea9@heaviside> References: <438D8923.3090701@zonnet.nl> <6.2.5.6.2.20051130111346.0255b128@cox.net> <438DE183.8070203@zonnet.nl> <02b901c5f63c$42d51a60$da68fea9@heaviside> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20051201120048.025465c0@cox.net> At 12:58 AM 12/1/2005, Paula Lieberman wrote: >Bibliotheek sound like it was derived from e.g. the French "bibliotheque" >[or whatever the word is, that looks from to me]. English is a language >accused of going out and mugging other languages for words... "library" >comes sort of from the Latin "libris" and there are bookplates with "ex >libris" preprinted on them available here. Dutch is a descendant of >German, which has the habit of making words by concatenating long strings of >words into a single word. English is much less inclined that way, words >like cellphone get formed that way, but often an acronym gets created >instead of keeping the full entirety of all the words involved--laser >originally was an acronym formed from Light Amplification by Stimulated >Emission of Radiation. Radar started out as the acronym created from RAdio >Detection And Ranging. German does a lot of shortening of longer terms, too, but the only terms I can think of off hand come from the Bad Old Days of the 1930s and World War II (Nazi, for instance, or Gestapo). -- Regards, Pete pgranzeau@cox.net From mike at dendarii.co.uk Thu Dec 1 19:01:55 2005 From: mike at dendarii.co.uk (Michael Bernardi) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Lois-Bujold Mailing List FAQ Message-ID: <3032@dendarii.co.uk> Last-Modified: 27 September 2003 Version: 3.8.0 URL: http://www.dendarii.com/bujold_lst.html Other FAQS ---------- Lois-Bujold Mailing List Administrivia FAQ (how to subscribe, set list options, filter mail): http://www.dendarii.com/bujold_admin.html Plot FAQ (plot questions, pronounciation guides): http://www.dendarii.com/bujold_faq.html Lois-Bujold Mailing List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) --------------------------------------------------------- List Etiquette and Conventions I On- and off-topic material 1. Why was the Lois-Bujold Mailing List created? 2. What kinds of messages are considered off-topic? 3. Are discussions of the list itself off-topic? 4. Why are off-topic messages a concern? I see them all the time. 5. What should list users do if a message they are about to post is off-topic? 6. What other rules are there regarding off-topic messages? 7. What is the off-topic marker? 8. May I use variants of "OT:", like "OT", "(OT)" or "ot"? 9. What if a thread comes back on-topic? 10. I know my message had "OT:" on it, but it disappeared! What happened? 11. Why not just moderate the list? II Spoilers 1. What are spoilers? 2. When is it OK to discuss spoilers on the list? 3. How should posts with spoilers be marked? 4. How long are spoiler warnings necessary? 5. Is there another place where I can discuss spoilers freely, especially prior to the material becoming publicly available? III Excessive Quoting 1. What is meant by the term "excessive quoting"? 2. How much quoting is too much? 3. Why is excessive quoting a problem? 4. What can I do to avoid excessive quoting? IV List Conventions, Abbreviations, and In-Jokes 1. Someone called "pizza" on my last post! What do they mean? What should I do? 2. What does ObBujold mean? 3. What does WLW mean? 4. What are some other abbreviations used on the list? 5. Why do people substitute * for the vowels in certain words? 6. What does FILK: mean? 7. What does FIC: mean? 8. What is meant by "Watsonian" and "Doylist"? 9. How long can my .sig file be? 10. What's the problem with a period on a line by itself? 11. What is a "Bryant of books"? 12. Who is Yeltar? What is Bujoldia? Bujoldar? And what's this about "we're all going to die"? 13. What is meant by a squid on the mantlepiece? 14. Who are the OT Thug, the Quote Pixie, and the Birthday Tixie? 15. How do I bring my birthday to the attention of the Birthday Tixie? 16. What is Sherwooding, or a Sherwooded post? 17. I'm getting list mail in digest format. Are there any special things I should be aware of before I reply to a message? Pointers to More Bujold Stuff 1. Where can I find more information about Lois Bujold herself? Is there a photograph of her available? 2. How can I contact Lois Bujold? 3. Is there a collection of quotes from Lois Bujold's books? 4. Are there Web sites with Lois Bujold content? 5. Are there Web sites with more information about the Lois-Bujold Mailing List? 6. Is there a Bujold mailing list for fans living in my area? 7. What is star_creche? 8. Are there other Internet discussion groups for Lois's work? 9. What is Miles' Minions? 10. What is "Winterfair Gifts" and how can I get a copy? Merchandising 1. Are there books-on-tape (or on CD) of Lois's books? 2. Can I get Bujold T-shirts and other neat stuff? 3. Is any Bujold filk available on CD? I. List Etiquette and Conventions ================================= On- and off-topic material -------------------------- 1. Why was the Lois-Bujold Mailing List created? The list exists for discussions of topics closely related to the award-winning writing of Lois McMaster Bujold. 2. What kinds of messages are considered off-topic? If a message does not contain any material directly related to Lois' work, it is considered off-topic. General discussions of writing and publication are definitely off-topic, since they do not pertain specifically to Bujold's work. 3. Are discussions of the list itself off-topic? No. 4. Why are off-topic messages a concern? I see them all the time. Sometimes the list generates hundreds of messages every day, and a large percentage of them are off-topic. Not all list users have the time or the interest to read off-topic posts. Also, an excess of off-topic posts slows down the list server, which can disrupt ON-topic discussions. Keep in mind that the list and archive is provided FREE by Melanie Harper, as a service to SF fans. Mel too is a fan, but using her server's resources for off-topic conversations is not very courteous. 5. What should list users do if a message they are about to post is off-topic? Most importantly, consider sending it off-list, especially if only a few people appear to be interested. Remember that there are still some list users who must pay for their e-mail based on the number of messages they receive (through long distance charges, for example). Please be considerate of their pocketbooks. If you feel that the message should be sent to all list users, you should start the message subject with an off-topic marker (see below). 6. What other rules are there regarding off-topic messages? Off-topic threads should not continue for more than 3 days after the original seed message. Changing the name of an off-topic thread does *not* reset the 3-day clock. People who post unmarked or "late" off-topic messages may get a strong message from the OT Thug, one of Mike's Minions. Most importantly, an excess of off-topic messages will dampen the enthusiasm of the people who keep the list running, which could ultimately result in the list's demise. 7. What is the off-topic marker? An off-topic marker is the text "OT:" (without the quotes) inserted into the subject header of a message. This indicates that the message is off-topic. The off-topic marker makes it easy for people to avoid off-topic discusssions if they so choose, by using a filter in their e-mail client. If there is an "Re:" and/or "Fwd:" in the subject line, simply replace "Re:" and/or "Fwd:" with "OT:" to prevent subject headers from becoming long and redundant (such as "Re: OT: Re: Miles"). 8. May I use variants of "OT:", like "OT", "(OT)" or "ot"? No. Mail filters are very literal, and filtering won't work if users have to guess every possible variant of the marker. Also, some variants may cause valid mail to be discarded unintentionally. For example, filtering "ot" may cause the message "Re: Bothari" to be discarded. The official marker must be unique enough to avoid accidents. Please don't use variants. 9. What if a thread comes back on-topic? Simply remove "OT:" from the subject header. 10. I know my message had "OT:" on it, but it disappeared! What happened? Some e-mail clients (particularly Outlook Express) have begun clipping markers from the Subject line of posts, to avoid having them pile up (such as "Re: Fwd: Re: Cazaril and the gods"). If your e-mail client is prone to this, you can place the "OT:" at the END of the subject line instead of the beginning, and foil it. 11. Why not just moderate the list? Moderating a list of this size is a monumental task, and few people have time for it. Also, many list users consider the off-topic discussion an integral part of the list itself. Because of the conscientious nature of our list's users, off-topic markers have proven to be an excellent substitute for a moderator. Spoilers -------- 1. What are spoilers? A spoiler is anything which gives away a plot point (or any other detail) of a work before the entire work is publicly available. Some people don't care about spoilers, but others would prefer to know nothing about a work until they can read the whole thing. Properly indentifying messages which contain spoilers is a list courtesy for those who dislike them. 2. When is it OK to discuss spoilers on the list? No discussion should appear on the list prior to the material becoming publicly available. "Publicly available" includes the first publication or the posting of sample chapters on a publisher's Web site. If discussion is required prior to the material becoming publicly available, the bujold-spoilers list (see #5 below) is an appropriate venue. Examples of when this might occur are if the book is serialized first in Analog, or if Advance Readers' Copies (ARCs) of a book become widely available. 3. How should posts with spoilers be marked? Spoiler warnings are in 2 parts. First, put "SP:" in the Subject line of any post containing spoilers. The second part is to leave 12-15 lines above and below the spoiler material so that those who read the digest version of the list can see where the spoiler begins and ends. These should not be blank lines, as some programs will telescope those--the best spoiler space is a short sentence or phrase written vertically (one letter per line). Do not use periods this way, as a period on a line by itself will cause the remainder of the message to be truncated by some mail servers. When replying to a spoilered post, the guidelines on quoting apply--quote only the material necessary to give context for your comments. Be sure to preserve the leading and trailing spoiler space, and to remove any trailing footer on the post you are replying to. If your reply removes all the spoilers from the post, remove the SP: from the Subject line and the spoiler space from the message body. Do not use a Subject such as "No SP:" or "SP: removed", as such a message would still be filtered by e-mail clients looking for "SP:". 4. How long are spoiler warnings necessary? Any discussion should have spoiler warnings for two months after the date of first publication. (Discussion of sample chapters and other fragments should always be spoilered.) Decision of the exact date of publication is the prerogative of the list owner. 5. Is there another place where I can discuss spoilers freely, especially prior to the material becoming publically available? Yes, there is a special YahooGroups mailing list, bujold-spoilers, for discussion of Bujold's work within the spoiler period. This list replaced the earlier CoC-bujold list that was specifically for pre-publication discussion of CoC. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bujold-spoilers/ Excessive Quoting ----------------- 1. What is meant by the term "excessive quoting"? Quoting refers to quotes of other people's posts to the list. It does not refer to quoting of Lois McMaster Bujold's material, although excessive quoting of that should be avoided too, for other obvious reasons. 2. How much quoting is too much? If less than 50% of the lines in a message are original material, it should not be posted to the list. Posting a long post in its entirety with a one-liner of agreement is singularly uncouth. 3. Why is excessive quoting a problem? It is redundant, it takes up hard disk space, and it takes up download time, just like off-topic discussions. It also makes your valuable contribution harder to read and assimilate. 4. What can I do to avoid excessive quoting? Remove irrelevant lines and replace them with a notation like "", if necessary - or paraphrase the whole thing. Be careful to correctly attribute the text you quote or paraphrase to the original poster. You can replace at the beginning or end of text with an ellipsis (...). Never include headers and sig. files unless they are relevant to your post. Quotes which have long lines should be edited to less than 70 characters so that the resulting quotations, after line cutting, which can occur in a number of e-mail programs, does not cause the final quoted text to look like this. Nested quotes should be edited to identify the "speakers", rather than relying on multiple >>>>s. e.g: JB > Rhubarb, rhubarb, rhubarb, rhubarb, rhubarb. SC > Barbrhu, barbrhu, barbrhu, barbrhu, barbrhu. RS > Brouhaha, brouhaha, brouhaha, brouhaha, brouhaha. The Quote Pixie (James Bryant) has had a number of posts from people telling him that the discipline of minimising quotes is useful in producing posts which are themselves more succinct. Details of the Quote Policy can be found at http://www.luna.co.uk/~jbryant/pages/quotes.htm List Conventions, Abbreviations, and In-Jokes --------------------------------------------- 1. Someone called "pizza" on my last post! What do they mean? What should I do? In December 2001, Marna Nightingale used "Pizza?" in a post as an example of a polite way of saying, "No thanks, but I'd like to remain friends. Why don't we get some pizza?" when a friend proposes sexual intimacy. "Pizza?" was quickly adopted as a code word used to defuse a potentially heated discussion without fault on either side, as in "Let's drop the subject and stay friends." A call of "Pizza?" indicates that the caller felt the language in a post was becoming inflammatory. Note that pizza is not to be called on a *subject* preemptively--the actual language being used must be getting heated, or loaded so that a heated exchange seems likely, or headed flameward. A post which includes a pizza call should be so noted in the subject line, in addition to the current subject. If three people call for pizza on a thread, list discussion of it should cease immediately. (Remember, however, that e-mail arrives erratically and some people read the list in digest format, so a few posts may arrive after three calls for pizza are made.) If you feel that your comments were not, in fact, headed into a sensitive area, it is recommended that you discuss this OFF-LIST with the people who called pizza. If they agree the topic may be re-introduced to the list. 2. What does ObBujold mean? This phrase migrated from Usenet and from other mailing lists. ObBujold means an "Obligatory Bujold" reference, in an attempt to bring an off-topic thread back into the fold. 3. What does WLW mean? WLW stands for Write, Lois, Write. This mantra was coined to encourage Lois to continue writing her "Next Thing". 4. What are some other abbreviations used on the list? Some are abbreviations of titles of Bujold's books: DD = Dreamweaver's Dillemma SoH = Shards of Honor TWA = The Warrior's Apprentice BoI = Borders of Infinity ACC = A Civil Campaign CoC = Curse of Chalion PoS = Paladin of Souls LMB is a common shorthand for Lois McMaster Bujold. Most of the remaining acronyms are Netspeak, such as LOL = Laughing Out Loud OTOH = On The Other Hand IIRC = If I Recall Correctly FAQ = Frequently Asked Question AFAIK = As Far As I Know ROTFL = Rolling On The Floor Laughing ROTFLOLASTC = Rolling On The Floor Laughing Out Loud And Scaring The Cats. A ridiculously over-complete list of Netspeak acronyms may be found at http://members.aol.com/nigthomas/alphabet.html 5. Why do people substitute * for the vowels in certain words? Several list members receive list messages through servers that run "nannyware"--software which filters out messages that contain certain forbidden words. Substituting * for the vowels in curse words or anything likely to trigger such nannyware will allow your messages to get through. Other means of disguising such words (such as spelling them backwards, as "dratsab") will also work, as long as listees can figure out the intended word. Other terms might not trigger nannyware, but might be picked up in Internet searches and lead trollers to the list. G*n c*ntr*l and ab*rt**n are most commonly disguised. Finally, in a long-standing list joke that originated in a somewhat heated discussion on the relative merits of Bujold's characters and David Weber's Honor Harrington novels, some listees commonly write "D*v*d W*b*r" and "H*n*r H*rr*ngt*n". 6. What does FILK: mean? Filk is folk music on science fiction topics. A FILK: tag on a message to the lois-bujold list gives fair warning that the message contains Filk, so that list members can avoid it or seek it out as desired. If a filk song is written to the tune of an existing song, a "TTTO" note ("to the tune of") is appreciated. An archive of Bujold filk may be found at http://www.dendarii.co.uk/Filk/ 7. What does FIC: mean? FIC: identifies messages which contain fan fiction, that is, stories written in Bujold's universes by others. The FIC: tag warns all those who loathe the genre, warns Lois since she's interested in *not* reading them, and alerts those fanfic lovers on the list. An archive of Bujold FanFic may be found at http://www.dendarii.co.uk/FanFic/ 8. What is meant by "Watsonian" and "Doylist"? The terms "Doylist" and "Watsonian" derive from the Sherlock Holmes stories. Doylist is from Arthur Conan Doyle, the author, and Watsonian from Doctor Watson, the narrator in the stories. The terms are most often applied to explanations of inconsistencies between (or even within) books or stories in a series. A Doylist explanation discusses inconsistences or plot in terms of why the author did things that way. Lois Bujold's Doylist explanation for some inconsistencies is "the author had A Better Idea" in the later book. A Watsonian explanation discusses the inconsistency or plot point from the perspective of the story. Inconsistencies might be explained by a character lying or being unaware of all the facts. 9. How long can my .sig file be? Your .sig should be as short as possible: four lines is a suggested maximum, but one or two lines is even better. Unlike Usenet, your .sig in an message to the list takes up space in every recipient's mailbox--please be considerate and keep it short. That cute graphic or quotation may be appreciated on first usage, but may grow annoying to others with your later posts. 10. What's the problem with a period on a line by itself? A period on a line by itself is the SMTP mail protocol marker for "end of message". While some mail servers look for occurances of periods alone and buffer them, other mail servers will truncate all of the message after the line with the period. 11. What is a "Bryant of books"? The Bryant is a unit of books, originally used by Pouncer (Jeff Melcher) in April 1998 and named for listee James M. Bryant. The original size of the Bryant was 5000 books, which was something less than the size of James Bryant's library at the time. Shortly thereafter, the Bryant was re-defined as 1000 books. In May of 1999, the OT Thug (Jeff Parker) proposed an expanded set of measures for books, based on the (fictional) castle library of the late Sir James Bryant, which were adopted with some modifications by other listees. Those units are: 1 Bryant (B) = 4577 books 1 Habryant = 2289 books 1 Sitter (or Rhoom) = 1104 books 1 Dinky = 161 books 1 Wallshel = 23 books 1 Bedside = 17 books The 4577-book Bryant is now generally referred to as the Old English Bryant, and the 1000-book Bryant as the metric Bryant. 12. Who is Yeltar? What is Bujoldia? Bujoldar? And what's this about "we're all going to die"? In December 1997, Doug Muir postulated that the alien known as Yeltar-3, a lurker on the Bujold list, abducted all the members of the list to populate a colony on Bujoldia (Digest 971215-1037). Bujoldia is an Earth-like planet, Yeltar provides some basic tools, but the listees, collectively, have to have the necessary skills to survive. Much discussion ensued on the probable survival of the colony as various bits of information on the biology, geology, and other facets of Bujoldia were trickled out. Despite many listees' arguments, Doug continued to maintain that "we're all going to die" in less than a year. Eventually the hidden identity of Doug as Yeltar-3 was revealed (Digest 971223-1067). Debra Fran Baker's twenty-years-later tale in Digest 971219-1054 provides a nice summary, with Doug's "Bite us Yeltar" addition later in the same digest. In the midst of the Bujoldia discussion (Digest 971217-1046), Elizabeth Twitchell countered with a decription of another colony planet, Bujoldar. Bujoldar is a central library world, and is well stocked with chocolate and pecans (as Pat Wrede states these are necessary if we hope to attract Lois herself to the planet). Many listees immediately declared their preference for Bujoldar. Revivals of the Bujoldia/Bujoldar discussions have occurred periodically, most recently in June 2002. 13. What is meant by a squid on the mantlepiece? A squid on the mantlepiece is a reference from the Turkey City Lexicon (http://www.sfwa.org/writing/turkeycity.html), a document that defines terms of use in science-fiction writing workshops. The squid is contrasted with Chekhov's quote about pistols over the mantlepiece, which addresses the point that a plot element should be deployed in a timely fashion and with proper dramatic emphasis. When list discussion tackled the topic in February 1999 Pouncer dragged the squid to Barrayar, and a squid has been periodically placed on the mantle of Vorkosigan House since. 14. Who are the OT Thug, the Quote Pixie, and the Birthday Tixie? These are the List Creatures, also known collectively as Mike's Minions (Mike being Michael Bernardi, the list owner). See the OT FAQs for the role of the OT Thug and the Excessive Quoting FAQs for the Quote Pixie. The Birthday Tixie sends birthday greetings to list members. More information on the List Creatures may be found in the piece "A Short Listory" at http://www.dendarii.co.uk/FanFic/listory.html. 15. How do I bring my birthday to the attention of the Birthday Tixie? Send your birth date (year is optional) to birthday@dendarii.com and the Birthday Tixie will add you to the list. 16. What is Sherwooding, or a Sherwooded post? Early listee Anton Sherwood frequently consolidated his single-topic replies to posts from many people into one message, often paraphrasing the material to which he was responding to save space. In July 1998, Paula Sanch used "Sherwood" as an adjective to describe this type of post, and the phrases "a Sherwooded response", "a Sherwood", "Sherwooding", and so forth entered the list vocabulary. Sherwooded posts on multiple unrelated topics are difficult to handle for those who read by subject, and should be avoided if possible. 17. I'm getting list mail in digest format. Are there any special things I should be aware of before I reply to a message? Yes. You should always replace the digest subject line with a meaningful subject. If you are replying to a post, the best option is to copy the subject of that message and paste it into your subject line. Be sure to delete the rest of the digest from your reply. Remember that you are reading messages later than list members who receive messages directly. Before you reply, please read the entire digest or check the current messages on the Web to see if your point has already been made. Also consider this lag time before posting to a thread which may have been called for exceeding the 3-day limit or which may have been pizza'ed. II. Pointers to More Bujold Stuff --------------------------------- 1. Where can I find more information about Lois Bujold herself? Is there a photograph of her available? Biographical information: http://www.dendarii.com/biolog.html Bibliographical information: http://www.dendarii.com/biblio.html A studio photo of Lois, a bit out of date now: http://www.dendarii.com/images/studio.jpg Another good black and white photo by David Dyer-Bennet: http://www.dendarii.com/images/lois.jpg 2. How can I contact Lois Bujold? If you have a general question, consider posting to the Lois-Bujold Mailing List or to the MilesToGo forum on Baen's Bar. Lois reads both of these and sometimes will respond, or your question perhaps can be answered by other Bujold fans. Alternatively, you may send email to lois@dendarii.com. 3. Is there a collection of quotes from Lois Bujold's books? Mike Bernardi has created a random quote or "fortune cookie" file from the Vorkosigan books. Various programs can use this file to provide a quotation to appear on your computer screen on start-up, or to incorporate as a .sig into your e-mail messages. A Web random-quote generator that uses this file is available at http://www.dendarii.com/quotes.html. The quotes file is in a format suitable for use with Jody R. Cairns' Utter program for DOS. The Utter program can be found at ftp://ftp.demon.co.uk/pub/ibmpc/dos/apps/quotes/utter/utter202.zip The Lois Bujold Quote File in Utter format can be found in the same directory as ftp://ftp.demon.co.uk/pub/ibmpc/dos/apps/quotes/utter/lbq-v2ut.zip . A earlier version has a filename of lbq-v1ut.zip. These are zipped plain text files, with each quotation separated with a tilde (~). The files don't include any quotes from books newer than _Memory_. The text files can be edited into whatever format is needed for your own random-quote generator or e-mail program. Example quote: Maybe we ought to send him to the salt mines for two weeks every year, to keep him happy and content with his regular job. -- Miles wonders about Gregor's state of mind (Lois McMaster Bujold, The Vor Game) 4. Are there Web sites with Lois Bujold content? Lois McMaster Bujold's official Web site is The Bujold Nexus http://www.dendarii.com . The Bujold Nexus Overflow Site has cover art, filk, fan art, fan fiction, etc. and can be found at http://www.dendarii.co.uk/Bujold.html . Listee Bo Johansson's science-fiction Web pages: http://hem.bredband.net/b104699/books/index.htm have links to some of his fan art and to his "Vorkosigan ComConsole" and "Quintarian Web Browser", skins for some versions of popular Web browsers. Links to other web pages with Bujold related material can be found at http://www.dendarii.com/links.html . The Lois McMaster Bujold Webring can also be found at http://www.dendarii.com/webring.html . Publisher Web Sites (many have sample chapters of some books): Baen Books (Vorkosigan series print editions, some e-books as "Webscriptions") http://www.baen.com HarperCollins/Eos (Chalion books) http://www.harpercollins.com/hc/features/eos/ Tor (_Women at War_, edited by Bujold) http://www.tor.com Earthlight (UK publisher) http://www.earthlight.co.uk The Reader's Chair (unabridged audio tape publishers) http://www.readerschair.com Fictionwise.com (e-book versions of earlier Vorkosigan books, _Spirit Ring_, _Curse of Chalion_): http://fictionwise.com NESFA Press (_Dreamweaver's Dilemma_, hardcover editions of _Shards of Honor_, _The Warrior's Apprentice_, and _Ethan of Athos_.) http://www.nesfa.org/press/ The Science Fiction Book Club (lower-cost editions, must be a member of the book club to purchase) http://www.sfbc.com Easton Press (high-end leather-bound editions sold as part of a subscription series, not available for individual purchase: copies turn up on eBay occasionally) http://www.eastonpress.com/ 5. Are there Web sites with more information about the Lois-Bujold Mailing List? Official information on the mailing list, including the FAQs, is maintained at The Bujold Nexus: http://www.dendarii.com Various items related to the Lois-Bujold Mailing List, such as plans for upcoming cons, a summary of listee professions, and MiniLoisCon writeups, may be found at Robert Parks' site: http://bujold-list.info/ This site also has a mirror (now perhaps the primary copy) of a Web version of Bujold List Bios put together by Dave Klecha. 6. Is there a Bujold mailing list for fans living in my area? Several mailing lists have been set up for geographic areas, generally for the purpose of arranging MiniLoisCons (meetings of Bujold fans, sometimes on the occasion of Bujold visiting that area). The exceptions are LMB-UK and Barrayar, which are general discussion groups for fans in Britain and Ireland, and for French-speaking fans, respectively. Australia: http://www.fireopal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lmb_oz Britain and Ireland: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LMB-UK/ Atlanta: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bujold-atlanta/ Boston: To subscribe, send email to:bujold-boston-subscribe@lists.ckdhr.com France/French-speaking fans: http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/Barrayar/ Minneapolis: http://www.fireopal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mplsminiloiscons San Francisco Bay: To subscribe, send email to: lmb-sfbay-subscribe@berthillier.net Texas: http://www.redmaplegrove.org/mailman/listinfo/bujold-texas-centric http://topica.com/lists/bujold-texas/ (backup) Washington, DC: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dc-dendarii/ 7. What is star_creche? Star_creche is a spinoff of the Lois-Bujold Mailing List, where listees can discuss fertility, infertility, birth control, pregnancy, birth, babies, child rearing, and other topics relating to reproduction issues at more length than is desired on the main Lois-Bujold list. Most discussion is about our universe: howver, some reproduction issues from Bujold's universes may arise. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/star_creche/ 8. Are there other Internet discussion groups for Lois's work? The Baen Books Web Site has a forum/newsgroup devoted to Lois in "Baen's Bar": http://www.baen.com/bar/ Lois frequently posts there in her "Miles To Go" conference. Baen's Bar can also be accessed via e-mail or a news reader: see their start page for the details. An e-mail list for discussing Bujold's books has been set up on YahooGroups at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lois-bujold/ This list was initially a backup for times when the Lois-Bujold list was down. Newcomers sporadically find this list and post to it, but generally are quickly directed to the main Lois-Bujold list. An e-mail discussion list, LordV, has been set up for Bujold fans who are members of the YahooGroups LordPeter mailing list (for fans of Dorothy L. Sayers' Lord Peter Wimsey mysteries). Membership is generally limited to members of LordPeter, though exceptions can be made. Contact the LordV list owner, LordV-owner@yahoogroups.com, for more information. The bujold-spoilers list on YahooGroups: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bujold-spoilers/ is for discussion of Bujold's work that is within the spoiler period for the Lois-Bujold Mailing List, especially that period prior to the material becoming publicly available. 9. What is Miles' Minions? Miles' Minions is the official Lois McMaster Bujold Appreciation Society. The Dendarii Dispatch is the newsletter of Miles' Minions. The fan club and newsletter are currently inactive. Past editions of the newsletter may viewed at: http://www.dendarii.co.uk/dispatch/ 10. What is "Winterfair Gifts" and how can I get a copy? "Winterfair Gifts" is a novella-length story set during Miles' and Ekaterin's wedding, which will be published in a SF/romance crossover anthology edited by Catherine Asaro, called _Irresistible Forces_. The anthology was originally scheduled for February 2003, but was postponed by the publisher to February 2004 (for Valentine's Day) in order to make a stronger publicity push. Other authors in the anthology are Mary Jo Putney, Jo Beverley, Jennifer Roberson, Deb Stover, and Catherine Asaro. Note that the February 2004 release will be a trade paperback with a "romance" cover, and later in the year a mass-market sized paperback will be released with an "SF" cover. Because of the delay in the U.S. publication, "Winterfair Gifts" was published first in early 2003 as a stand-alone version in Croation, and shortly will be published in Russian. III. Merchandising ------------------ 1. Are there books-on-tape (or on CD) of Lois's books? Some audio recordings of the Vorkosigan series were produced by The Reader's Chair, http://www.readerschair.com, 1-800-616-1350. However, The Reader's Chair has had problems and may not be filling orders. No additional titles are expected to be produced by them. All books are unabridged, and are available on cassette tape and (some) on MP3-format CDs. The Reader's Chair offers nine titles by Lois McMaster Bujold: Falling Free, Shards of Honor, Barrayar, The Warrior's Apprentice, The Vor Game, Cetaganda, Ethan of Athos, Borders of Infinity, and Brothers in Arms. 2. Can I get Bujold T-shirts and other neat stuff? Two vendors offer authorized Bujold merchandise. -SoftWear Toys and Tees (run by Lois-Bujold list member Steve Salaba) - http://www.softwear-tnt.com/loisbujold.html T-shirts Butterbug hand puppets Personalized photo ID cards (ImpSec, Siegling's, U. of Vorbarr Sultana Student ID Card, etc.) Barrayaran Passport (personalized) Patches ImpSec "eyes" Seiglings shopping (tote) bag Reader's Chair audiobooks -Pegasus Publishing - http://www.pegasuspublishing.com Bumper stickers Golf shirts Scrub shirt Patches ImpSec "eyes" Seiglings shopping (tote) bag Reader's Chair audiobooks 3. Is any Bujold filk available on CD? Several filk CDs are available which include Bujold filk songs. Visit the Bujold Filk Archive: http://www.dendarii.co.uk/Filk/ and look toward the bottom of the page for links to pages for the filk authors' pages. Both Echo's Children: http://www.echoschildren.org and Tom Smith: http://www.tomsmithonline.com/ have CDs available. --------------- FAQ History: Sep 2003 - Version 3.8.0 - Added How can I contact LMB?, Winterfair Gifts, list creatures, Birthday Tixie, Sherwooding, bujold-spoilers, special digest considerations, Bo Johansson's Web pages, availability of NESFA EoA. May 2003 - Version 3.7.0 - Revised "pizza" and Reader's Chair, added squid on the mantlepiece. Oct 2002 - Version 3.6.0 - Added French mailing list, "pizza", bujold-list.info, and Yeltar, removed MD from Reader's Chair offerings. Jun 2002 - Version 3.5.1 - Corrected credit for Old English Bryant. May 2002 - Version 3.5.0 - Added Bryant, geographic lists, and star_creche FAQs. Changed Dendarii Dispatch URL. Changed spoiler tag to SP:. Jan 2002 - Version 3.4.1 - Added "periods on a line" and .sig length FAQs. Jan 2002 - Version 3.4.0 - Added more detail to spoiler FAQs, added additional online resources (some moved from Admin FAQ), added FILK, FIC, Doylist/Watsonian, general editing. Incorporated the Off-Topic FAQ into the list FAQ because of the significant overlap. Revision by Nancy Barber. Dec 1996 - List FAQ further split to produce three FAQs. Mar 1996 - FAQ split into two parts. 8 August 1994 - FAQ initially compiled by Michael Bernardi. Credits: General FAQ material was supplied by Lois McMaster Bujold, Locus, Greg Slade, Suford Lewis, Michael Bernardi, and other members of the Lois-Bujold Mailing List. The change to Question and Answer format is due to Greg Slade. The OT: FAQ material was compiled by Paul Freitas, after discussions by Michael Bernardi, Greg Slade, Paula Matuszek, Bror Heinola, Jeff Parker, James Bryant, and Paul Freitas. Especial thanks to Melanie Dymond Harper for hosting the LOIS-BUJOLD list, the Web page at dendarii.com, and the list archive site. This Lois McMaster Bujold (List) FAQ is being constantly developed and is posted to the LOIS-BUJOLD list every other month. Suggestions and corrections for this document should be sent to lmb-faq@dendarii.com . Copyright 1994/2002 by Michael Bernardi and Nancy Barber. This file may be freely distributed provided that it remains unedited from its current form. Sections may be quoted for reference providing its source is given. It may be printed out for personal use. From megj at nwlink.com Thu Dec 1 19:25:21 2005 From: megj at nwlink.com (megj@nwlink.com) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Cool, in fact cold, link of the day: Arctic political campaigns OT: In-Reply-To: <438E3304.8020207@marna.ca> References: <438E3304.8020207@marna.ca> Message-ID: <42514.66.96.65.225.1133465121.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> > Marna, wondering how Santa votes. His conscience, of course. Megaera wondering if anyone knows of a concise, easy-to-understand explanation of how your kind of political system works on the web From morales.knight at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 19:58:20 2005 From: morales.knight at gmail.com (Luis Felipe Morales Knight) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: AKIKIF: Lost Book In-Reply-To: <438EC023.4040505@zonnet.nl> References: <20051130.142308.29476.12773@webmail22.lax.untd.com> <438EC023.4040505@zonnet.nl> Message-ID: <9e2c72630512011158me4371fbx77037d959e4a9a42@mail.gmail.com> Sounds like Octavia Butler (IMAGO, ADULTHOOD RITES etc), but not quite. Maybe a different Butler book? (After reading that series years ago, I swore her off for about a decade as too damn disturbing!) Luis On 12/1/05, Rowena wrote: > Kirsten Edwards wrote: > > >"The book starts off with a women and her husband out in their house out in the redwood forest of California. > it rings a bell, but very, very vaguely. I am afraid I can't point you > in the right direction, the only thing I can say is that something in my > mind started to whisper Octavia Butler. But I know most of her books > fairly well and than I would know wich one it is. Could it be a short > story? Or maybe an embeded story in an other book? > If it suddenly pops into my head I'll let you know. > (Oh and please share if you figure it out, thnx) > > Rowena From morales.knight at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 20:05:20 2005 From: morales.knight at gmail.com (Luis Felipe Morales Knight) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Cool, in fact cold, link of the day: Arctic political campaigns OT: In-Reply-To: <42514.66.96.65.225.1133465121.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> References: <438E3304.8020207@marna.ca> <42514.66.96.65.225.1133465121.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> Message-ID: <9e2c72630512011205n75624748gcc4d2495e11b412@mail.gmail.com> Megaera, If by "your system" you mean "the American system".... on my more cynical days I think it works like what Spider Jerusalem said in TRANSMETROPOLITAN: http://the-couch.org/images/spidervoting.jpg Luis On 12/1/05, megj@nwlink.com wrote: > > Marna, wondering how Santa votes. > > His conscience, of course. > > Megaera > wondering if anyone knows of a concise, easy-to-understand explanation of > how your kind of political system works on the web > > -- > Lois-Bujold mailing list > Lois-Bujold@lists.herald.co.uk > http://lists.herald.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lois-bujold > -- Luis Felipe Morales Knight Graduate student, Pepperdine GSEP (Psychology M.A. Program) From alayne at twobikes.ottawa.on.ca Thu Dec 1 20:08:38 2005 From: alayne at twobikes.ottawa.on.ca (alayne@twobikes.ottawa.on.ca) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Cool, in fact cold, link of the day: Arctic political campaigns OT: In-Reply-To: <42514.66.96.65.225.1133465121.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> References: <438E3304.8020207@marna.ca> <42514.66.96.65.225.1133465121.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> Message-ID: > > Marna, wondering how Santa votes. On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 megj@nwlink.com wrote: > His conscience, of course. Of course. > Megaera > wondering if anyone knows of a concise, easy-to-understand explanation of > how your kind of political system works on the web It's parliamentary democracy, first-past-the-post. Very simple. Seriously, http://www.parl.gc.ca/common/Aboutparl.asp?Language=E and in particular http://www.parl.gc.ca/common/AboutParl_Process.asp?Language=E http://www.parl.gc.ca/information/library/idb/forsey/index-e.asp http://www.parl.gc.ca/information/library/idb/forsey/intro_01-e.asp http://www.parl.gc.ca/information/library/idb/forsey/parl_gov_02-e.asp http://www.parl.gc.ca/information/library/idb/forsey/parl_gov_03-e.asp (Senator Eugene Forsey was a noted Parliamentary expert.) -- Alayne McGregor alayne at twobikes.ottawa.on.ca "In fact, every one of us comes into this world naked and helpless, and most leave it in the same condition -- and we are dependent on one another every single day in between. The 'stand on your own feet and take care of yourself' attitude the right wing keeps pushing is not only cruel, but stupid, too." -- Molly Ivins From rachel at compromise.fsnet.co.uk Thu Dec 1 20:27:46 2005 From: rachel at compromise.fsnet.co.uk (Rachel Ganz) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Cool, in fact cold, link of the day: Arctic political campaigns OT: Message-ID: <11738517.1133468866249.JavaMail.www@wwinf3103> > > Marna, wondering how Santa votes. On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 megj@nwlink.com wrote: > His conscience, of course. Of course. With the time-handling characteristics of his sleigh, it might be a case of: "vote early, vote often" Rachel From nlbarber at alum.emory.edu Thu Dec 1 20:28:25 2005 From: nlbarber at alum.emory.edu (Nancy L. Barber) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] I've got a job!!! [OT:] In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20051201115122.02534608@cox.net> References: <438D8923.3090701@zonnet.nl> <6.2.5.6.2.20051130111346.0255b128@cox.net> <438DE183.8070203@zonnet.nl> <6.2.5.6.2.20051201115122.02534608@cox.net> Message-ID: At 11:55 AM -0500 12/1/05, Peter H. Granzeau wrote: >I have a sneaking suspicion that "media librarian" and "media >library" would probably be the most used English for the two terms >(because "mediarian" and "mediary" just don't suggest what they are >in the same way, I suppose). My sister-in-law has gone back to school in the hopes of becoming a "media center specialist" in the local school system. I don't know how widespread this usage is, but that's the DeKalb County (Georgia) term for what used to be "school librarian". And the school library, of course, is now the "media center". Nancy Barber From marna at marna.ca Thu Dec 1 20:32:10 2005 From: marna at marna.ca (Marna Nightingale) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Cool, in fact cold, link of the day: Arctic political campaigns OT: In-Reply-To: <20051201135128.18832.qmail@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051201135128.18832.qmail@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <438F5DCA.3080600@marna.ca> Tom Vinson wrote: >>Marna, wondering how Santa votes. > > > (Cue Arlo Guthrie) > "Santa Claus wears a red suit; he's a communist." Aaaah, but it's red and WHITE: He may be a Liberal. The elves are NDP though. :-) Marna. From megj at nwlink.com Thu Dec 1 20:57:47 2005 From: megj at nwlink.com (megj@nwlink.com) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Cool, in fact cold, link of the day: Arctic political campaigns OT: In-Reply-To: <9e2c72630512011205n75624748gcc4d2495e11b412@mail.gmail.com> References: <438E3304.8020207@marna.ca> <42514.66.96.65.225.1133465121.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> <9e2c72630512011205n75624748gcc4d2495e11b412@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <58254.66.96.65.225.1133470667.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> No, I am American, who replied to Marna, who is Canadian. Sorry for the confusion. Megaera for whom high school civics did stick reasonably well > Megaera, > > If by "your system" you mean "the American system".... on my more > cynical days I think it works like what Spider Jerusalem said in > TRANSMETROPOLITAN: > > http://the-couch.org/images/spidervoting.jpg > > Luis From megj at nwlink.com Thu Dec 1 20:59:50 2005 From: megj at nwlink.com (megj@nwlink.com) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Cool, in fact cold, link of the day: Arctic political campaigns OT: In-Reply-To: References: <438E3304.8020207@marna.ca> <42514.66.96.65.225.1133465121.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> Message-ID: <60080.66.96.65.225.1133470790.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> > It's parliamentary democracy, first-past-the-post. Very simple. Thanks, Alayne. Megaera From m.dolbear at lineone.net Thu Dec 1 22:10:27 2005 From: m.dolbear at lineone.net (Michael R N Dolbear) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Cool, in fact cold, link of the day: Arctic politicalcampaigns OT: Message-ID: <4ju61r$1qo762@mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com> > From: alayne@twobikes.ottawa.on.ca > Date: 01 December 2005 20:08 [...] > > Megaera > > wondering if anyone knows of a concise, easy-to-understand explanation of > > how your kind of political system works on the web > > It's parliamentary democracy, first-past-the-post. Very simple. For the one sentence summary you have to add "British style, so govenment ministers are normally menbers of parliament". [...] Little Egret From harimad2001 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 1 22:19:52 2005 From: harimad2001 at yahoo.com (J Selin) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] it's all about me! Message-ID: <20051201221952.46366.qmail@web53715.mail.yahoo.com> I just started my new job (very good). There's not a lot for me to do yet (expected but not so good) so I thought I'd be able to catch up on the digests I set aside over Turkey Week (good). I learned today that my workplace, for understandable security reasons, disabled access to the most popular free email sites. This means I can't catch up on my digests (very bad). I may redirect my account to a different email addy; till then I am forced to delete the last 30 digests. Hope I didn't miss anything really good, Harimad __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From countryboy66 at mchsi.com Thu Dec 1 22:22:49 2005 From: countryboy66 at mchsi.com (Countryboy) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: AKIKIF: Lost Book References: <20051130.142308.29476.12773@webmail22.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: <03a001c5f6c5$c3a68eb0$6501a8c0@MainComputer> The Taking by Dean Koontz. I didn't like it. Kirsten Edwards asked about a book: > "The book starts off with a women and her husband out in their house out > in the redwood forest of California. The wife wakes up to a strange rain > coming out of the sky that makes everything turn silver. She notices a > pack of coyotes in the yard yet they don't attack her and instead crowd > around for comfort. The coyotes eventually run away, and she goes to find > her husband who wakes from a dream in which he felt as if something the > size of a mountain was in the air above him. Countryboy - goin' nuts From bhrperry at comcast.net Thu Dec 1 22:24:01 2005 From: bhrperry at comcast.net (Bruce Perry) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Cool, in fact cold, link of the day: Arctic political campaigns In-Reply-To: <200512011905.jB1J50Fa018108@lists.herald.co.uk> References: <200512011905.jB1J50Fa018108@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20051201163452.01ec0798@mail.comcast.net> At 02:05 PM 12/1/2005, Pete wrote: >Marna wrote: > >Oh, yeah ... insofar as the Pole is a no-dimensional point, it is at > >the corner of our claimed borders in the Arctic Ocean. (Since the > >Arctic is not "open ocean" but is in fact full of pack-ice, we > >figure we can claim jurisdiction all the way to the Pole. At least I > >think that's the argument. Marna?) The borders in question are a > >northward extension of our land border with your state of Alaska, > >and a northward extension of our sea boundary with the Danish > >autonomous island of Greenland. They intersect at the Pole, and that > >makes Santa about 1/6 Canadian ... depending, I suppose, on which > >side of the Pole he's domiciled on. He even has a postal code: > >letters to Santa from Canadian children are adressed to Santa Claus, > >North Pole, NWT H0H 0H0. > >I guess that an assumption is made that Santa's house is in the NWT, >and not in Nunavut? There is another North Pole. It's not near geographic or magnetic ones though. It's in Alaska (not far from Fairbanks). I was there briefly in 1984 or 85. http://www.northpolealaska.com/FactsFigures.htm#History There is an official Santa Claus house there. You can even arrange to get North Pole cancellations on your cards and letters. http://www.fairnet.org/npcc/postmark.html I suspect that would be impractical for people living outside the US to do since US stamps or some internationally valid stamp would be needed, but I am not wise in the ways of postage. Bruce From jparish at siue.edu Thu Dec 1 22:38:55 2005 From: jparish at siue.edu (Jim Parish) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] December Tixie duty In-Reply-To: <4ju61r$1qo762@mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com> References: <4ju61r$1qo762@mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com> Message-ID: <1133476735.438f7b7f06626@webmail.siue.edu> My thanks to those who have volunteered; Jean Lamb will be handling the duty this month. Thanks, Jean! Jim Parish ------------------------------------------------- SIUE Web Mail From gpw at uniserve.com Thu Dec 1 22:40:18 2005 From: gpw at uniserve.com (gpw@uniserve.com) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Cool, in fact cold, link of the day: Arctic politicalcampaigns OT: In-Reply-To: <4ju61r$1qo762@mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com> References: <4ju61r$1qo762@mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com> Message-ID: <1133476818.438f7bd2bd2d4@members.uniserve.com> Quoting Michael R N Dolbear : > > From: alayne@twobikes.ottawa.on.ca > > It's parliamentary democracy, first-past-the-post. Very simple. > > For the one sentence summary you have to add "British style, so govenment > ministers are normally menbers of parliament". Egads no. I don't recall any government ministers being drawn from the upper house as the British are willing to do. Geoffrey From marna at marna.ca Thu Dec 1 22:54:55 2005 From: marna at marna.ca (Marna Nightingale) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Cool, in fact cold, link of the day: Arctic politicalcampaigns OT: In-Reply-To: <1133476818.438f7bd2bd2d4@members.uniserve.com> References: <4ju61r$1qo762@mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com> <1133476818.438f7bd2bd2d4@members.uniserve.com> Message-ID: <438F7F3F.90508@marna.ca> gpw@uniserve.com wrote: > Quoting Michael R N Dolbear : > > >>>From: alayne@twobikes.ottawa.on.ca >>>It's parliamentary democracy, first-past-the-post. Very simple. >> >>For the one sentence summary you have to add "British style, so govenment >>ministers are normally menbers of parliament". > > Egads no. I don't recall any government ministers being drawn from > the upper house as the British are willing to do. No, but we HAVE been known to appoint 'em and THEN run 'em for office. Generally by asking a backbencher in a very safe seat to step aside and holding a by-election. It's rare, very. But it does happen. The Upper House is the Senate, and Senators are appointed by the Prime Minister. Marna. From redlion at sff.net Thu Dec 1 23:02:36 2005 From: redlion at sff.net (B. Ross Ashley) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Cool, in fact cold, link of the day: Arctic political campaigns OT: Message-ID: <438F810C.8090604@sff.net> On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 11:33:23 -0500, "Peter H. Granzeau" wrote: > I guess that an assumption is made that Santa's house is in the NWT, > and not in Nunavut? Great Ghu, he's right ... the Pole is not necessarily in western Arctic, it's over half in Nunavut! Ms Blondin might be poaching votes if she campaigned there. Maps of riding boundaries: http://atlas.gc.ca/site/english/maps/reference/elections/election2004 -- B. Ross Ashley www.livejournal.com/users/brashley46/ http://brashley46.no-ip.info "It would be too painful to think that there are worlds somewhere where I got everything right." Sulien, in _The King's Name_, by Jo Walton Registered Linux user # 402119 From jpolowin at hotmail.com Thu Dec 1 23:22:24 2005 From: jpolowin at hotmail.com (Joel Polowin) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Cool, in fact cold, link of the day: Arctic political campaigns OT: In-Reply-To: <200511302345.jAUNj2Dt000776@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: Marna Nightingale wrote: >Marna, wondering how Santa votes. In a North Poll, of course. Joel From m.dolbear at lineone.net Fri Dec 2 00:52:21 2005 From: m.dolbear at lineone.net (Michael R N Dolbear) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Cool, in fact cold, link of the day: Arctic politicalcampaigns OT: Message-ID: <4ju3tt$20tk24@mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com> > From: Marna Nightingale > Date: 01 December 2005 22:54 > > gpw@uniserve.com wrote: > > Quoting Michael R N Dolbear : > > > > > >>>From: alayne@twobikes.ottawa.on.ca > >>>It's parliamentary democracy, first-past-the-post. Very simple. > >> > >>For the one sentence summary you have to add "British style, so govenment > >>ministers are normally menbers of parliament". > > > > Egads no. I don't recall any government ministers being drawn from > > the upper house as the British are willing to do. > > No, but we HAVE been known to appoint 'em and THEN run 'em for office. > Generally by asking a backbencher in a very safe seat to step aside and > holding a by-election. > > It's rare, very. But it does happen. > > The Upper House is the Senate, and Senators are appointed by the Prime > Minister. "British style, so government ministers are normally MPs" then ? An example of a parliamentary democracy where MPs resign on becoming government ministers please ? Little Egret From marna at marna.ca Fri Dec 2 01:13:04 2005 From: marna at marna.ca (Marna Nightingale) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Cool, in fact cold, link of the day: Arctic politicalcampaigns OT: In-Reply-To: <4ju3tt$20tk24@mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com> References: <4ju3tt$20tk24@mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com> Message-ID: <438F9FA0.4030207@marna.ca> Michael R N Dolbear wrote: > An example of a parliamentary democracy where MPs resign on becoming > government ministers please ? I can't think of one, and Canada is not an example. I'm not sure what you're asking or what you're responding to, please clarify? Marna. From billie_t at fastmail.fm Fri Dec 2 01:17:58 2005 From: billie_t at fastmail.fm (Tracy MacShane) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Cool, in fact cold, link of the day: Arctic politicalcampaigns OT: In-Reply-To: <4ju3tt$20tk24@mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com> References: <4ju3tt$20tk24@mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com> Message-ID: <1133486278.13654.248813103@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 00:52:21 -0000, "Michael R N Dolbear" said: > > "British style, so government ministers are normally MPs" then ? > > An example of a parliamentary democracy where MPs resign on becoming > government ministers please ? > Yes, that one is puzzling me too. But I think it's in reference to the English parliament, where members of the House of Lords are often ministers. And, actually, *they* are technically not Members of Parliament, they are "Peers". Tracy -- http://www.fastmail.fm - A no graphics, no pop-ups email service From jamesandmary.burbidge at sympatico.ca Fri Dec 2 01:47:07 2005 From: jamesandmary.burbidge at sympatico.ca (James Burbidge) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Cool, in fact cold, link of the day: Arctic political campaigns OT: In-Reply-To: <11738517.1133468866249.JavaMail.www@wwinf3103> References: <11738517.1133468866249.JavaMail.www@wwinf3103> Message-ID: <1133488029.1186.4.camel@ilmarin> Marna Nightengale wrote: > > Marna, wondering how Santa votes. > Nicholas of Myra? I suspect he would vote for the Emperor in Constantinople, or a party aiming at restoring him. And he'd be emphatic about it. This is, after all, the man who got into a fistfight with Arius before the Council of Nicaea. From jamesandmary.burbidge at sympatico.ca Fri Dec 2 01:49:24 2005 From: jamesandmary.burbidge at sympatico.ca (James Burbidge) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Cool, in fact cold, link of the day: Arctic politicalcampaigns OT: In-Reply-To: <1133476818.438f7bd2bd2d4@members.uniserve.com> References: <4ju61r$1qo762@mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com> <1133476818.438f7bd2bd2d4@members.uniserve.com> Message-ID: <1133488165.1186.6.camel@ilmarin> On Thu, 2005-12-01 at 17:40, gpw@uniserve.com wrote: > Quoting Michael R N Dolbear : > > > > From: alayne@twobikes.ottawa.on.ca > > > It's parliamentary democracy, first-past-the-post. Very simple. > > > > For the one sentence summary you have to add "British style, so govenment > > ministers are normally menbers of parliament". > > Egads no. I don't recall any government ministers being drawn from > the upper house as the British are willing to do. > There have occasionally been senators in minor cabinet positions, relatively recently. From jamesandmary.burbidge at sympatico.ca Fri Dec 2 01:52:35 2005 From: jamesandmary.burbidge at sympatico.ca (James Burbidge) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Cool, in fact cold, link of the day: Arctic politicalcampaigns OT: In-Reply-To: <1133486278.13654.248813103@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <4ju3tt$20tk24@mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com> <1133486278.13654.248813103@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1133488357.1186.10.camel@ilmarin> On Thu, 2005-12-01 at 20:17, Tracy MacShane wrote: > > On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 00:52:21 -0000, "Michael R N Dolbear" > said: > > > > "British style, so government ministers are normally MPs" then ? > > > > An example of a parliamentary democracy where MPs resign on becoming > > government ministers please ? > > > > Yes, that one is puzzling me too. But I think it's in reference to the > English parliament, where members of the House of Lords are often > ministers. And, actually, *they* are technically not Members of > Parliament, they are "Peers". > Peers of the Realm are actually Members of Parliament, since Parliament consists of both houses; they are not, however, members of the House of Commons. The title is not used; or at least, it wasn't. With the new situation where only a small number of hereditary peers vote in the House of Peers, the title might come into use to mark the distinction. From tlambs1138 at charter.net Fri Dec 2 02:11:36 2005 From: tlambs1138 at charter.net (Jean Lamb) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Adjutant Birthday Tixie! References: <200512010737.jB17bXIL026297@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <005101c5f6e5$b9d2a2a0$6dedbe42@Samantha> In a fit of Utter Insanity I volunteered for this (brushes off tiara, sucks breath in to get into the gown, and summons Companion. Alas, said Companion is a thirteen year old fat orange cat far more interested in canned salmon than Birthday Tixie-ing. Too bad, girl, off we go!). My first vic--er, recipient of a visit from the Adjutant Birthday Tixie is our very own Marna Nightingale, whose birthday is December 2. In spirit of using all the offensive cliches I can think of, I bow towards my picture of the MacKenzie Brothers, sigh over my videotape of various _Due South_ episodes, and try to think if I can remember any Newfie jokes. But in all seriousness, Marna is one of the most civil people I know. If she can keep peace in the world the way she can on this list, she should be elected World Dictator Real Soon Now. Judging by her real life activities, she tries to bring calm and civility to the rest of the world, and not just this portion of it. Speaking as someone who once bought parts for Titan II missiles whilst in the US Air Force, I have to right to paraphrase this slogan: "Peace is her profession." Virtual present (will you _quit_ slobbering on my glasses, cat?): One day at the United Nations in the guise of Miss Manners and armed with the Cutting Look and with the ability to wave magic wands and make Good Things Happen. Sa-LUTE! Jean Lamb, tlambs1138@charter.net "Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for you are crunchy and good with lemon drops." From billie_t at fastmail.fm Fri Dec 2 03:10:33 2005 From: billie_t at fastmail.fm (Tracy MacShane) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Cool, in fact cold, link of the day: Arctic politicalcampaigns OT: In-Reply-To: <1133488357.1186.10.camel@ilmarin> References: <4ju3tt$20tk24@mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com> <1133486278.13654.248813103@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1133488357.1186.10.camel@ilmarin> Message-ID: <1133493033.24109.248819235@webmail.messagingengine.com> On 01 Dec 2005 20:52:35 -0500, "James Burbidge" said: > On Thu, 2005-12-01 at 20:17, Tracy MacShane wrote: > > Peers of the Realm are actually Members of Parliament, since Parliament > consists of both houses; they are not, however, members of the House of > Commons. > > The title is not used; or at least, it wasn't. With the new situation > where only a small number of hereditary peers vote in the House of > Peers, the title might come into use to mark the distinction. Lords do not officially seem to be considered "members" of Parliament, although of course the House of Lords comprises part of Parliament. "A Member of Parliament (MP) is elected by a particular area or constituency in Britain to represent them in the House of Commons." http://www.parliament.uk/glossary/glossary.cfm?ref=membero_9629 -- http://www.fastmail.fm - A no graphics, no pop-ups email service From vlecuyer at ksu.edu Fri Dec 2 03:30:04 2005 From: vlecuyer at ksu.edu (Victoria L'Ecuyer) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Cool, in fact cold, link of the day: Arctic Politica Campaigns In-Reply-To: <200512012255.jB1MtgFc024649@lists.herald.co.uk> References: <200512012255.jB1MtgFc024649@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <438FBFBC.6080602@ksu.edu> Bruce Perry wrote: There is another North Pole. It's not near geographic or magnetic ones though. It's in Alaska (not far from Fairbanks). [snip] Me: A couple of weeks ago I and my bowling buddies had a waitress who was from there. She had been an elf one year and quit the post when she caught (the married) Santa kissing another elf (who wasn't Mrs. "Claus" in disguise). Apparently, there was quite the scandal. It sounded like a typical small town to me. Victoria From pgranzeau at cox.net Fri Dec 2 03:44:39 2005 From: pgranzeau at cox.net (Peter H. Granzeau) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Cool, in fact cold, link of the day: Arctic politicalcampaigns OT: In-Reply-To: <4ju3tt$20tk24@mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com> References: <4ju3tt$20tk24@mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20051201223658.02554778@cox.net> At 07:52 PM 12/1/2005, Michael R N Dolbear wrote: >"British style, so government ministers are normally MPs" then ? > >An example of a parliamentary democracy where MPs resign on becoming >government ministers please ? While no longer true, that was true in Great Britain a hundred years ago. When Winston Churchill was first appointed to a ministry in government, he had to resign and stand for re-election (information remembered from one of the biographies, the one written by his son Randolph, I think). -- Regards, Pete pgranzeau@cox.net From horsybird at gmail.com Fri Dec 2 04:45:28 2005 From: horsybird at gmail.com (Erin) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: OT: calling all librarians Message-ID: <1ba6819b0512012045s5af30610y3fb6f053a81fcd68@mail.gmail.com> >>Erin's comments about librarians being lazy is very hurtful and, I'm afraid, uninformed. I was referring specifically to the librarians of "my local library," not every librarian in existence. I know many fine, non-lazy librarians! However, my local branch has the surliest, most unhelpful bunch I've ever yet met, and I had thought I had designated them a little more clearly; sorry! By "the librarians," I meant *the* librarians, i.e. the ones in the library I had referenced earlier-- not "librarians in general," but I can see why it came out sounding generic. From cinnabun1322 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 2 04:54:11 2005 From: cinnabun1322 at yahoo.com (cinnamon Rhoades) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: OT: I've got a job Message-ID: <20051202045411.39536.qmail@web52814.mail.yahoo.com> >I think it would be called a media center, or perhaps just >library or >media >library, over here, and the person working there, a customer >service >person >or customer support person or help desk person or media >librarian or >such. When I was in high school, just two years ago (sigh), we called it the media center and I honestly do not remember what we called the person who worked there. Must confess I did not use it often. -Cinnamon Missing high school __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From horsybird at gmail.com Fri Dec 2 04:59:59 2005 From: horsybird at gmail.com (Erin) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: OT: Calling all librarians Message-ID: <1ba6819b0512012059y60d83b7cma312c40cec3fc8f4@mail.gmail.com> >>as to stickers on the book spine - they help a lot, but there's a big >>difference between walking up & down every 'fiction' shelf vs. looking at >>(hopefully) three or (more likely) two or one category shelf. Yes, yes! Exactly. My library had about ONE shelf of fantasy/sci-fi, but now it's scattered across nearly half of the library's entire area, because "Fiction" is so broad. It might be different if they had more of it, but with one shelf's worth of books seeded among an area half the size of the entire building, the odds on your running across something you're interested in becomes pretty darn slim. (Especially given the erratic labeling, where stickers were seemingly handed out at random to the first twenty books in the category, then discarded...) From cinnabun1322 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 2 05:07:53 2005 From: cinnabun1322 at yahoo.com (cinnamon Rhoades) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: OT: Trailer for the Pirates of the Carribean 2 Message-ID: <20051202050753.43951.qmail@web52814.mail.yahoo.com> Is it just me or is Johnny Depp a great actor? I really liked the first one I hope this one is as good hopefully better. -Cinnamon wishing I knew Johnny Depp __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From marna at marna.ca Fri Dec 2 05:21:44 2005 From: marna at marna.ca (Marna Nightingale) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: OT: Trailer for the Pirates of the Carribean 2 In-Reply-To: <20051202050753.43951.qmail@web52814.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051202050753.43951.qmail@web52814.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <438FD9E8.5000501@marna.ca> cinnamon Rhoades wrote: > Is it just me or is Johnny Depp a great actor? It is not just you. If you can lay hands on it, I recommend Lost In La Mancha, which was what made me not only really like his stuff, but admire the heck out of him as someone very serious and sane about his craft. Marna. From bo at dendarii.com Fri Dec 2 06:14:11 2005 From: bo at dendarii.com (Bo Johansson) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Cool, in fact cold, link of the day: Arctic politicalcampaigns OT: References: <200512020508.jB258Tlu003717@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <005301c5f707$9cef3000$ad3070d5@kd6k1pdjhhwk1ah> On 2 Dec 2005 "Michael R N Dolbear" wrote: > > --- snip, snap, snorum --- > > An example of a parliamentary democracy where MPs resign on > becoming government ministers please ? > > Little Egret Sweden? Government ministers often are, but do not have to be, members of parliament. While they are government ministers their places in parliament are taken over by replacements. But the ministers don't actually resign from parliament, they are temporarily replaced. Sweden have proportional representation, so (IIRC) the replacement is the candidate from the same party who is "next in turn" for a place in parliament. // Bo Johansson From alayne at twobikes.ottawa.on.ca Fri Dec 2 06:23:12 2005 From: alayne at twobikes.ottawa.on.ca (alayne@twobikes.ottawa.on.ca) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Cool, in fact cold, link of the day: Arctic politicalcampaigns OT: In-Reply-To: <438F7F3F.90508@marna.ca> References: <4ju61r$1qo762@mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com> <1133476818.438f7bd2bd2d4@members.uniserve.com> <438F7F3F.90508@marna.ca> Message-ID: In Canada, senators can be cabinet ministers. However, aside from the Government leader in the Senate, they rarely are. To quote Forsey: "The Prime Minister is normally a Member of the House of Commons (there have been two from the Senate, from 1891 to 1892 and from 1894 to 1896). "... By custom, almost all the members of the Cabinet must be Members of the House of Commons, or, if not already Members, must win seats. Since Confederation, on occasion, people who were not members of either House have been appointed to the Cabinet, but they had to get seats in the House or the Senate within a reasonable time, or resign from the Cabinet. "... Senators can be members of the Cabinet; the first Cabinet, of 13 members, had five Senators. But since 1911, usually there has been only one Cabinet Minister in the Senate, and that one without portfolio, the leader of the Government in the Senate. "... Twice between 1979 and 1984, there were three or four Senators in the Cabinet. The Conservatives, in 1979, elected very few MPs from Quebec, and the Liberals, in 1980, elected only two from the four Western provinces. So both parties had to eke out the necessary Cabinet representation for the respective provinces by appointing more Senators to the Cabinet." http://www.parl.gc.ca/information/library/idb/forsey/institutions_08-e.asp Alayne > > Quoting Michael R N Dolbear : > > > For the one sentence summary you have to add "British style, so > > > govenment ministers are normally menbers of parliament". > gpw@uniserve.com wrote: > > Egads no. I don't recall any government ministers being drawn from > > the upper house as the British are willing to do. On Thu, 1 Dec 2005, Marna Nightingale wrote: > No, but we HAVE been known to appoint 'em and THEN run 'em for office. > Generally by asking a backbencher in a very safe seat to step aside and > holding a by-election. > > It's rare, very. But it does happen. > > The Upper House is the Senate, and Senators are appointed by the Prime > Minister. -- Alayne McGregor alayne at twobikes.ottawa.on.ca "In fact, every one of us comes into this world naked and helpless, and most leave it in the same condition -- and we are dependent on one another every single day in between. The 'stand on your own feet and take care of yourself' attitude the right wing keeps pushing is not only cruel, but stupid, too." -- Molly Ivins From cally.perry at gmail.com Fri Dec 2 07:22:17 2005 From: cally.perry at gmail.com (Cally Perry) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] [OT:] calling all librarians and cartoon lovers Message-ID: <26a857020512012322l9f758c3g4afb90756ffffd7@mail.gmail.com> "Unshelved" is a comic strip set in a library. It's wonderful: http://www.unshelved.com/primer.aspx Cally From mike at dendarii.co.uk Fri Dec 2 07:21:58 2005 From: mike at dendarii.co.uk (Michael Bernardi) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Lois McMaster Bujold Mailing List Weekly FAQ FAQ Message-ID: <3038@dendarii.co.uk> Last-Modified: 5 May 2005 Version: 2.0.7 Being a Pointer to where to find Answers to Frequently Asked Questions ====================================================================== This document was compiled by Michael Bernardi, to allow subscribers to the Lois-Bujold mailing list to easily find where the FAQs are. Having this FAQ posted weekly to the list then allows the posting of the OTHER FAQs to be every two months and thus reduce list traffic. Three FAQs have been developed since this list was created in October 1994. The Bio FAQ has been deleted, as all the information previously given here, can be found at "The Bujold Nexus" in the "Author Info" and "Book Info" sections. This document was originally created in December 1998. The FAQs ======== Lois McMaster Bujold Mailing List Administrivia FAQ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.dendarii.com/bujold_admin.html Last Updated: 28 October 2002 Explains how to join and use the Lois-Bujold mailing list, hosted at http://lists.herald.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/lois-bujold Lois McMaster Bujold Mailing List FAQ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.dendarii.com/bujold_lst.html Last updated: 27 September 2003 This document attempts to answer Frequently Asked Questions which occur on the Mailing List about the list itself, including guidelines for off-topic discussions, spoiler discussion, and excessive quoting, and list conventions and in-jokes. Also includes pointers to other mailing lists and to Web sites about Lois McMaster Bujold and her work. Lois McMaster Bujold List PLOT Frequently Asked Questions ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.dendarii.com/bujold_faq.html Last Updated: 05 May 2005 This document attempts to answer Frequently Asked Questions which occur on the Mailing List about Plot lines that occur in the work of Lois McMaster Bujold. This includes answers from Lois herself. The Bujold Nexus: The Lois McMaster Bujold Homepage ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.dendarii.com Last Updated: 05 May 2005 This is the Official site to find information about Lois McMaster Bujold on the Web. Lois has provided some information herself, and other material has come from other fans. The Bujold Nexus Overflow Site ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.dendarii.co.uk/Bujold.html Last Updated: 25 September 2004 This contains all the stuff that isn't really appropriate at the main site. ie fan fiction, fan art, photos, and filk. Please send details of any material such material to the address indicated. Note I am not responsible for the mail server hardware OR software. Both these are under the control of Mel Harper . Any feedback on this post cheerfully received by Michael Bernardi . -- Michael Bernardi mike_at_dendarii.co.uk From mikebomb at myrealbox.com Fri Dec 2 10:20:14 2005 From: mikebomb at myrealbox.com (Michael Bauminger) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] [OT:] calling all librarians and cartoon lovers References: <26a857020512012322l9f758c3g4afb90756ffffd7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000301c5f729$fc52ece0$853cfea9@MBCYBER> On Friday, December 02, 2005 2:22 AM, Cally Perry wrote: > "Unshelved" is a comic strip set in a library. It's > wonderful: > > http://www.unshelved.com/primer.aspx I hate you. I stayed up past five in the morning reading these strips. They're great. -- Michael From jbryant at lunainternet.net Fri Dec 2 11:26:52 2005 From: jbryant at lunainternet.net (James M. BRYANT, G4CLF) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:47 2006 Subject: [LMB] Culinary Uses for Ground Cumin [OT:] In-Reply-To: <200511171046.jAHAkHRH029494@lists.herald.co.uk> References: <200511171046.jAHAkHRH029494@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20051202111817.02e92070@pop.lunainternet.net> Spiced Savoy Cabbage Finely (1 cm squares) chop a small Savoy cabbage and a small onion. Saute the onion in 2 tbsp of sunflower oil. Add two tsps cumin, 1/2 tsp turmeric, and cayenne to taste. Cook for a few seconds. Add the cabbage and a glug of soy sauce and cover. Cook until cabbage is al dente (NOT until it's sad). You may need to add a (very) little moisture. Use water or sherry. Serve as you would any other vegetable. A little "five spices" powder may be added to the cumin as well, if you like that sort of thing. Cumin also goes well in humous. James - back from India (No tiger but crocodiles and a lot of other good stuff - photos after Christmas, probably, as there's too much stuff needing my attention right now) From t.vinson at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 2 14:26:51 2005 From: t.vinson at sbcglobal.net (Tom Vinson) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:48 2006 Subject: [LMB] Music plug OT: Message-ID: <20051202142651.71384.qmail@web81008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Susan Werner, Chicago-based singer-songwriter, will be on NPR's Piano Jazz this weekend (Saturday or Sunday depending on the station). Good writer, good singer, good musician. For more information see http://susanwerner.com. Tom From robtjwms at yahoo.com Fri Dec 2 15:35:41 2005 From: robtjwms at yahoo.com (BOB!!) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:48 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Re: Cool, in fact cold link of the day: Arctic political campaigns In-Reply-To: <200512010737.jB17bXIM026297@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <20051202153541.76398.qmail@web34614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Marna Nightingale wrote: > If I see any pictures of them all playing soccer in the snow > together, I will ralph. Fair warning. Actually, Ralph is in Saskatchewan, in the Weyburn-Big Muddy riding, about 10 km SE of Weyburn. See http://www.twoatlarge.com/ralph/rcanada/ralphsask.html for further elaboration. And the author of the page is right - Ralph did used to have a grain elevator (two actually). When I was a kid, there was one house and two grain elevators. In case anyone is curious why I know this, my cousin Barb used to live outside Weyburn, and we'd drive through Ralph when we went to visit her. Regards, BOB!! __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From alayne at twobikes.ottawa.on.ca Fri Dec 2 18:03:50 2005 From: alayne at twobikes.ottawa.on.ca (alayne@twobikes.ottawa.on.ca) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:48 2006 Subject: [LMB] Music plug OT: In-Reply-To: <20051202142651.71384.qmail@web81008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051202142651.71384.qmail@web81008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Dec 2005, Tom Vinson wrote: > Susan Werner, Chicago-based singer-songwriter, will be on > NPR's Piano Jazz this weekend (Saturday or Sunday depending > on the station). Good writer, good singer, good musician. I heard her live a few years ago at the Ottawa Folk Festival, and have a number of her albums. Recommended. Is NPR's Piano Jazz the Marion McPartland show? -- Alayne McGregor alayne at twobikes.ottawa.on.ca "In fact, every one of us comes into this world naked and helpless, and most leave it in the same condition -- and we are dependent on one another every single day in between. The 'stand on your own feet and take care of yourself' attitude the right wing keeps pushing is not only cruel, but stupid, too." -- Molly Ivins From megj at nwlink.com Fri Dec 2 20:16:19 2005 From: megj at nwlink.com (megj@nwlink.com) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:48 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Trailer for the Pirates of the Carribean 2 In-Reply-To: <438FD9E8.5000501@marna.ca> References: <20051202050753.43951.qmail@web52814.mail.yahoo.com> <438FD9E8.5000501@marna.ca> Message-ID: <63931.66.96.65.225.1133554580.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> > cinnamon Rhoades wrote: >> Is it just me or is Johnny Depp a great actor? I don't think it's just you, either. Get hold of copies of What's Eating Gilbert Grape and esp. Benny and Joon. He was wonderful even back when no one knew who he was . Megaera From megj at nwlink.com Fri Dec 2 20:25:09 2005 From: megj at nwlink.com (megj@nwlink.com) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:48 2006 Subject: [LMB] [OT:] calling all librarians and cartoon lovers In-Reply-To: <000301c5f729$fc52ece0$853cfea9@MBCYBER> References: <26a857020512012322l9f758c3g4afb90756ffffd7@mail.gmail.com> <000301c5f729$fc52ece0$853cfea9@MBCYBER> Message-ID: <39610.66.96.65.225.1133555109.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> > On Friday, December 02, 2005 2:22 AM, Cally Perry > wrote: > >> "Unshelved" is a comic strip set in a library. It's >> wonderful: >> >> http://www.unshelved.com/primer.aspx At least two of the libraries I work in post these on the bulletin board on a regular basis. They're right on the money and funny as heck. Megaera From marna at marna.ca Fri Dec 2 21:38:57 2005 From: marna at marna.ca (Marna Nightingale) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:48 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Adjutant Birthday Tixie! In-Reply-To: <005101c5f6e5$b9d2a2a0$6dedbe42@Samantha> References: <200512010737.jB17bXIL026297@lists.herald.co.uk> <005101c5f6e5$b9d2a2a0$6dedbe42@Samantha> Message-ID: <4390BEF1.1070703@marna.ca> Jean Lamb wrote: > In the spirit of using all the offensive cliches I can think of, I bow towards > my picture of the MacKenzie Brothers, sigh over my videotape of various > _Due South_ episodes, and try to think if I can remember any Newfie jokes. *sticks out tongue* > But in all seriousness, Marna is one of the most civil people I know. *blushes*. I blame it on the list, really. You folks have been EXTREMELY good for me. And to me. > Virtual present (will you _quit_ slobbering on my glasses, cat?): One > day at the United Nations in the guise of Miss Manners and armed with > the Cutting Look and with the ability to wave magic wands and make Good > Things Happen. Ooooh! *hunts out really really nice suit* *adds gloves, heels -- and tricorne* *directs first cutting look at bad bad kitty* *makes Friday part of the weekend and gives every new baby chocolate eclair[1]* Thank you Jean, and bless you all. And Ian is home, and has promised me dinner and a show, so I must go put my hair up... Love all around, Marna. [1]And one for the first person to correctly attribute that, as always. From morgaine at zonnet.nl Fri Dec 2 21:54:34 2005 From: morgaine at zonnet.nl (Rowena) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:48 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Adjutant Birthday Tixie! In-Reply-To: <4390BEF1.1070703@marna.ca> References: <200512010737.jB17bXIL026297@lists.herald.co.uk> <005101c5f6e5$b9d2a2a0$6dedbe42@Samantha> <4390BEF1.1070703@marna.ca> Message-ID: <4390C29A.4050207@zonnet.nl> Marna Nightingale wrote: > > [1]And one for the first person to correctly attribute that, as always. I googled, so I still lack knowledge. Where is it from? I found more than one reference, is there an original one? I found a Canadian one about someone abducted by parsnips who became president of Brazil and who was claimed to have said it as well. But for now this is the best I can do. Have a fun day, don't spent it all your time backing eclairs! Gefeliciteerd !!!! Rowena King of Spain Once I was the King of Spain (now I eat humble pie) Oh, my unspeakable wife, Queen Lisa (now I eat humble pie) I'm tellin' you I was the King of Spain (now I eat humble pie) An' now I work at the Pizza Pizza Royalty, Lord it looked good on me Buried in silk in the royal boudoir, or going nuclear free Or playing crokinole with the princess of Monaco Telling my jokes to the OPEC leaders, getting it all on video Once I was the King of Spain (now I eat humble pie) A palatial palace, that was my home (now I eat humble pie) I'm tellin' you I was the King of Spain (now I eat humble pie) An' now I vacuum the turf at Skydome I can't wait, I'm lowering interest rates, my people say: "King, how are you such a genius?" "There's a roof overhead, and food on our plates!" It's lassez-faire, I don't even give a care Let's make Friday part of the weekend And give every new baby a chocolate eclair Once I was the King of Spain (now I eat humble pie) Hey Clinton! Hey Yeltsin! Got problems? You phone me I'm tellin' you I was the King of Spain (now I eat humble pie) Now the Leafs call me up to drive the Zamboni / Ladies and Gentlemen I introduce to you, the International Orchestra! / /(vocal solo) / /Now, some of you might be wondering how I came to be living in Canada, after being royalty in Spain. Should I tell them guys? (tell us please!) / You see late one night, when the palace was asleep Out of my royal chambers and into the garden I creep An' I wait, 'til the appointed time, when the moon is lighting the pitch At which point my peasant friend, who looks just like me Arrives and we make a switch Prince and Pauper, Junior and Whopper World made up of silver and copper Under my own volition, I took a change of position So next time, you drool in the pizza line Remember, slower pizza's more luscious The King of Spain never rushes! Once I was the King of Spain (now I eat humble pie) I was looking for offhanded ways to improve us I'm tellin' you I was the King of Spain (now I eat humble pie) An' now I'm jammin' with Moxy Fr?vous! - Moxy Fr?vous http://webhome.idirect.com/~muskokajoe/lyric/kingofspain.html From marna at marna.ca Fri Dec 2 22:09:45 2005 From: marna at marna.ca (Marna Nightingale) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:48 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Adjutant Birthday Tixie! In-Reply-To: <4390C29A.4050207@zonnet.nl> References: <200512010737.jB17bXIL026297@lists.herald.co.uk> <005101c5f6e5$b9d2a2a0$6dedbe42@Samantha> <4390BEF1.1070703@marna.ca> <4390C29A.4050207@zonnet.nl> Message-ID: <4390C629.4020701@marna.ca> Rowena wrote: > King of Spain *hands over eclair* > And Ian is home, and has promised me dinner and a show, so I must go put my hair up... ... IPOD. He got me an iPod. The 60G one I'd decided I could not under any circumstances possibly justify. OMG iPOD ... Marna. From cgonsalves at gmail.com Fri Dec 2 22:23:37 2005 From: cgonsalves at gmail.com (Cynthia Gonsalves) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:48 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Adjutant Birthday Tixie! In-Reply-To: <005101c5f6e5$b9d2a2a0$6dedbe42@Samantha> References: <200512010737.jB17bXIL026297@lists.herald.co.uk> <005101c5f6e5$b9d2a2a0$6dedbe42@Samantha> Message-ID: <770ae0ba0512021423s404a0659w4c453678628f8aa8@mail.gmail.com> Happy birthday Marna! Enjoy your new iPod, my beloved got one on his employee discount (yes, he's in the Reality Distortion Field in Cupertino), and it's nifty. I still boggle over the fact that it's got a larger capacity than all but one of my computers to date. Cynthia From billie_t at fastmail.fm Sat Dec 3 00:13:00 2005 From: billie_t at fastmail.fm (Tracy MacShane) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:48 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Adjutant Birthday Tixie! In-Reply-To: <4390C629.4020701@marna.ca> References: <200512010737.jB17bXIL026297@lists.herald.co.uk> <005101c5f6e5$b9d2a2a0$6dedbe42@Samantha> <4390BEF1.1070703@marna.ca> <4390C29A.4050207@zonnet.nl> <4390C629.4020701@marna.ca> Message-ID: <1133568780.13356.248893915@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 17:09:45 -0500, "Marna Nightingale" said: > > ... IPOD. > > He got me an iPod. > > The 60G one I'd decided I could not under any circumstances possibly > justify. > > OMG iPOD w00t! 60GB! Nice one, Ian. I know you'll enjoy! -- http://www.fastmail.fm - mmm... Fastmail... From marna at marna.ca Sat Dec 3 04:10:34 2005 From: marna at marna.ca (Marna Nightingale) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:48 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Adjutant Birthday Tixie! In-Reply-To: <1133568780.13356.248893915@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <200512010737.jB17bXIL026297@lists.herald.co.uk> <005101c5f6e5$b9d2a2a0$6dedbe42@Samantha> <4390BEF1.1070703@marna.ca> <4390C29A.4050207@zonnet.nl> <4390C629.4020701@marna.ca> <1133568780.13356.248893915@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <43911ABA.1090709@marna.ca> Tracy MacShane wrote: > w00t! 60GB! Nice one, Ian. I know you'll enjoy! Have named it Cecilia to make up for my recent lapse of memory. Marna. From mandos at allowed.to Sat Dec 3 04:32:35 2005 From: mandos at allowed.to (Mandos Mitchinson) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:48 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Trailer for the Pirates of the Carribean 2 In-Reply-To: <63931.66.96.65.225.1133554580.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> Message-ID: > I don't think it's just you, either. Get hold of copies of What's Eating > Gilbert Grape and esp. Benny and Joon. He was wonderful even back when no > one knew who he was . Don't forget Dead Man, he was just incredible in that :-) Mandos /s From tlambs1138 at charter.net Sat Dec 3 05:29:32 2005 From: tlambs1138 at charter.net (Jean Lamb) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:48 2006 Subject: [LMB] Adjunct Birthday Tixie strikes again! Film at 11 Message-ID: <002001c5f7ca$8b16aa20$6dedbe42@Samantha> Bear with me, people, I just got back from the company Christmas dinner which featured filet mignon, two glasses of wine, and a cake that should have been entitled Death by Chocolate. Burp! Ahem. (faithful companion cat attempts to run through Tixie's legs in order to make Tixie feel guilty and facilitate opening another can. Also offers complaint about the Snow Situation that Tixie has yet to deal with). Lorraine Fletez-Brabant, come on down! Today (well, by the time you get this) is _your_ birthday! May your way be guided by luminaria that smell sweetly, may your path be free of untimely cactus droppings, and may your water year be overfull without flash flooding. You are fun to listen to. Hope to hear more from you soon. Virtual present: All your Christmas cards assembled and stamped without any effort on your part. Sa-LUTE! Jean Lamb, tlambs1138@charter.net "Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for you are crunchy and good with lemon drops." From bo at dendarii.com Sat Dec 3 13:27:02 2005 From: bo at dendarii.com (Bo Johansson) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:48 2006 Subject: [LMB] Quintarian Web Browser for Mozilla Firefox 1.5 Message-ID: <004301c5f80d$3f49ed80$ad3070d5@kd6k1pdjhhwk1ah> I have updated the "Quintarian Web Browser" theme for Mozilla Firefox 1.5. You can find it at http://hem.bredband.net/b104699/q5browser/index.html // Bo Johansson From noelrappin at gmail.com Sat Dec 3 19:24:35 2005 From: noelrappin at gmail.com (Noel Rappin) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:48 2006 Subject: [LMB] Reading Order was Re: Wiki at Amazon In-Reply-To: References: <200511290833.jAT8WIQn019818@lists.herald.co.uk> <438CD042.18416.5244F76@localhost> Message-ID: On a more general note -- the Lois McMaster Bujold entry on Wikipedia has the books in internal chronological order, but also discusses best reading order: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lois_McMaster_Bujold I'm sure that some attention from somebody on this list could improve that page a bit (for example it lists the omnibus books but not their content..) Noel On Nov 29, 2005, at 3:36 AM, d schluter wrote: > Oh sure, If you know fans of a particular auther that works well, > but if > you are just randomly looking at descriptions or going off a remebered > reccomendation that might not work so well. I just think it's a > good Idea > to have the wiki's and everyone ought to make sure thier fav > author's have a > reading order list in thier wiki as poeple are more likely to buy > if the > info is there easily than if they have to go to any effort to track > it down. > > > My short answer is this link to a short answer - >> >> http://www.dendarii.com/bujold_faq.html#readingorder >> > > > > -- > Raven > The Perky Goth > -- > Lois-Bujold mailing list > Lois-Bujold@lists.herald.co.uk > http://lists.herald.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lois-bujold From noelrappin at gmail.com Sat Dec 3 19:42:00 2005 From: noelrappin at gmail.com (Noel Rappin) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:48 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: calling all librarians In-Reply-To: <018601c5f5ed$e40e16b0$17c13442@meg> References: <200511290141.jAT1fmt0008406@lists.herald.co.uk><505D0ED7-EFF7-4595-B361-7043A043601C@hamilton.edu><006101c5f555$c8c5f910$91544d0c@NEW> <018601c5f5ed$e40e16b0$17c13442@meg> Message-ID: <7D7CAD6C-5572-4CBD-93A4-75BFF028494E@alumni.brandeis.edu> All of you on this list who manage more than one library card -- and I suspect there are a few -- might be interested in http:// www.libraryelf.com/. It's a free service. As part of your account, you tell it all of your library information, and it aggregates all your cards into an online report with holds and books checked out, and will also send email or rss reminders when a book is coming due (it's also helpful if you have multiple cards from a single library to track -- say, everybody in your family). It's compatible with most online library systems in use, and they have a list of libraries already known by the system. If your library is not known to them, you can request it and they will add it to the system in hours or days depending on whether they already have similar systems covered. There's an obvious potential privacy downside, since you have to enter your card numbers and pin into library elf for it to work. I know that's a concern for many people on list, but their privacy policy seems good, and they don't hold on to your information long term. (Also, they are based in Canada, so they claim that recent US law changes don't apply to them...) Anyway, very useful service that I suspect that some list members might be interested in checking out. Noel On Nov 30, 2005, at 1:12 PM, MegJ wrote: > On 11/29/05, Dawn Benton wrote: >> >> Of course, since I have library cards in two different county >> systems, some people might say I am too fond of using the library. > > Hah, when I lived in Ohio, where it used to be that if you lived in > the > state of Ohio, you could get a library card to any library system > in Ohio, I > had six library cards. Four public, one community college, and one > university. It was great. > > Even here in Washington state, without that advantage, because of > reciprocal > agreements my public library has with other libraries, I have three > cards. > Not great, but reasonably adequate. > > Pikers. > > Meg > > -- > Lois-Bujold mailing list > Lois-Bujold@lists.herald.co.uk > http://lists.herald.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lois-bujold From m.dolbear at lineone.net Sat Dec 3 21:24:44 2005 From: m.dolbear at lineone.net (Michael R N Dolbear) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:49 2006 Subject: [LMB] Reading Order was Re: Wiki at Amazon Message-ID: <4ju2f5$25qj0i@mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com> > From: Noel Rappin > Date: 03 December 2005 19:24 [...] > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lois_McMaster_Bujold > > I'm sure that some attention from somebody on this list could improve > that page a bit (for example it lists the omnibus books but not their > content..) Done, also the short "The Borders of Infinity" inserted in its proper place. Little Egret From jacki at knightech.com.au Sun Dec 4 05:32:56 2005 From: jacki at knightech.com.au (Jacki Knight) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:49 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Cumin (was I know where my bowls are) In-Reply-To: <62944.66.96.65.225.1132191113.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> References: <20051116191218.21062.qmail@web81001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <62944.66.96.65.225.1132191113.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> Message-ID: <8a3f3d8cb756cd59fb2bb090c0b25091@knightech.com.au> On 17/11/2005, at 12:31 PM, megj@nwlink.com wrote: >> Marna asked: >>> and why does it smell like dust? > > For the same reason that cilantro tastes like dish soap. > > Megaera I always thought that Cilantro was just another name for Coriander (which does indeed taste like dishwashing liquid - particularly the fresh leaves) except that recently I was reading a cookbook which called for an amount of Cilantro AND an amount of Coriander, Now I'm confused - anyone have any ideas on this? Jacki in Canberra - herbally challenged From tiamat at tsoft.com Sun Dec 4 05:59:48 2005 From: tiamat at tsoft.com (Azalais Malfoy) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:49 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Cumin (was I know where my bowls are) In-Reply-To: <8a3f3d8cb756cd59fb2bb090c0b25091@knightech.com.au> References: <20051116191218.21062.qmail@web81001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <62944.66.96.65.225.1132191113.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> <8a3f3d8cb756cd59fb2bb090c0b25091@knightech.com.au> Message-ID: <20051203215906.F99744@shell.rawbw.com> On Sun, 4 Dec 2005, Jacki Knight wrote: > On 17/11/2005, at 12:31 PM, megj@nwlink.com wrote: > > >> Marna asked: > >>> and why does it smell like dust? > > > > For the same reason that cilantro tastes like dish soap. > > I always thought that Cilantro was just another name for Coriander > (which does indeed taste like dishwashing liquid - particularly the > fresh leaves) except that recently I was reading a cookbook which > called for an amount of Cilantro AND an amount of Coriander, > > Now I'm confused - anyone have any ideas on this? Cilantro = leaves of the coriander plant Coriander = seeds of the coriander plant ~malfoy, a votre service ************************************************************************** "That wickedness weltering around inside of you, inside of everyone, is sacred somewhere. There's a deity out there who digs it. You can respect and love your darkest side, disposing only of what is obsolete or impractical. It's all about giving yourself permission." --Jack Darkhand "It is better to be cruel for love than for hate." --Thomas Burnett Swann From iosef at gothic.net.au Sun Dec 4 06:30:06 2005 From: iosef at gothic.net.au (I) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:49 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Cumin (was I know where my bowls are) In-Reply-To: <20051203215906.F99744@shell.rawbw.com> References: <20051116191218.21062.qmail@web81001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <62944.66.96.65.225.1132191113.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> <8a3f3d8cb756cd59fb2bb090c0b25091@knightech.com.au> <20051203215906.F99744@shell.rawbw.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20051204172846.03ccceb0@mail.gothic.net.au> At 04:59 PM 4/12/2005, Azalais Malfoy wrote: > > Now I'm confused - anyone have any ideas on this? > >Cilantro = leaves of the coriander plant >Coriander = seeds of the coriander plant > >~malfoy, a votre service And the stems, and the roots? I have recipes that use these as well. Iestyn -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.11/191 - Release Date: 2/12/2005 From CatMtn at aol.com Sun Dec 4 07:42:47 2005 From: CatMtn at aol.com (CatMtn@aol.com) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:49 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Cumin (was I know where my bowls are) Message-ID: <21e.49594c4.30c3f7f7@aol.com> The seeds are coriander, the leaves are cilantro. And there is an inherited trait that makes it taste like soap to some people, similar to the trait that makes caraway and cumin indistinguishable to some people. Mary From secrowley66 at hotmail.com Sun Dec 4 10:31:10 2005 From: secrowley66 at hotmail.com (Sarah Crowley) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:49 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: OT: definition, please! (was calling all librarians) In-Reply-To: <438DFB7F.9040006@earthlink.net> Message-ID: M Traber wrote: >They still now only operate monday - friday business hours so the squids >have to use it at lunch, > but it is still there at least. They only sold >off 2 pallets of books....so it wasnt entirely deacquisitioned. Out of antipodean curiosity... In the Royal Australian Navy (at least the Defence Academy bit of it) 'squid' is/was a _very_ derogatory word for a female midshipman/officer. I'm assuming that isn't how you are using the word.. How are you using it? Sarah From secrowley66 at hotmail.com Sun Dec 4 11:14:44 2005 From: secrowley66 at hotmail.com (Sarah Crowley) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:49 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Canadian political system In-Reply-To: <438F7F3F.90508@marna.ca> Message-ID: Marna wrote: >No, but we HAVE been known to appoint 'em and THEN run 'em for office. >Generally by asking a backbencher in a very safe seat to step aside and >holding a by-election. > >It's rare, very. But it does happen. > >The Upper House is the Senate, and Senators are appointed by the Prime >Minister. interesting.. Here in Australia, we do have ministers in the Senate (upper house), but we elect them by state, not electorate. So, in most elections, we have to vote for our local member, and then for several senators. The only government position (AFAIK) that isn't available to a senator is Prime Minister, who is the Leader of the Government in the Lower House. On occasion, a Senator is elected as leader, and then has to go through the resign--safe seat by-election routine. Sarah From billie_t at fastmail.fm Sun Dec 4 11:35:15 2005 From: billie_t at fastmail.fm (Tracy MacShane) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:49 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Cumin (was I know where my bowls are) In-Reply-To: <20051203215906.F99744@shell.rawbw.com> References: <20051116191218.21062.qmail@web81001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <62944.66.96.65.225.1132191113.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> <8a3f3d8cb756cd59fb2bb090c0b25091@knightech.com.au> <20051203215906.F99744@shell.rawbw.com> Message-ID: <1133696115.10129.248954519@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:59:48 -0800 (PST), "Azalais Malfoy" said: > > Cilantro = leaves of the coriander plant > Coriander = seeds of the coriander plant > Yeah, that's a funny thing I've only encountered in US English. Which is presumably borrowed from (Mexican) Spanish. For the record, the Spanish for the herb is "cilantro" (as we know); which is, interestingly enough, from the Latin "coriandrum". In English English, we just refer to the bits of the plant as coriander seeds, coriander leaves and coriander root. Maybe it's something like "beef/cow", where people are using the words that refer to their most common use. The leaves would have entered the US consciousness first from Mexican cooking, thus the "cilantro", and then perhaps when people started buying the seeds for growing, they would have started recognising the botanical name as well (Coriandrum Sativum)? It's a theory, anyway. :-) -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The way an email service should be From jacki at knightech.com.au Sun Dec 4 11:38:52 2005 From: jacki at knightech.com.au (Jacki Knight) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:49 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Re: Cool, in fact cold link of the day: Arctic political campaigns In-Reply-To: <20051202153541.76398.qmail@web34614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051202153541.76398.qmail@web34614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3a460ca6ff9c43b1297aa67123384040@knightech.com.au> Now I'm confused - again! In this country the verb 'to Ralph' means to well, throw up (like the Scots verb 'to Huey'). And that's what I thought Marna was saying - that the idea of these people (whoever they are) playing together in the snow made her want to be sick. OTOH Bob's answer made me think again. Or did the dumb Aussie just miss the joke? Jacki in Canberra - having lunch tomorrow with Melissa and Tracy (a repeat of our miniLoiscon of late October when we went to see the new P&P movie - having been meant to see Serenity but the dumb Aussie got the session times wrong) On 03/12/2005, at 2:35 AM, BOB!! wrote: > Marna Nightingale wrote: > >> If I see any pictures of them all playing soccer in the snow >> together, I will ralph. Fair warning. > > Actually, Ralph is in Saskatchewan, in the Weyburn-Big Muddy riding, > about 10 km SE of Weyburn. > > See http://www.twoatlarge.com/ralph/rcanada/ralphsask.html for > further elaboration. > > And the author of the page is right - Ralph did used to have a grain > elevator (two actually). When I was a kid, there was one house and > two grain elevators. > > In case anyone is curious why I know this, my cousin Barb used to > live outside Weyburn, and we'd drive through Ralph when we went to > visit her. > > Regards, > > BOB!! From jacki at knightech.com.au Sun Dec 4 11:47:34 2005 From: jacki at knightech.com.au (Jacki Knight) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Cumin (was I know where my bowls are) In-Reply-To: <21e.49594c4.30c3f7f7@aol.com> References: <21e.49594c4.30c3f7f7@aol.com> Message-ID: <992b02e0e9cb196b24b8f18909618c26@knightech.com.au> Many thanks to Ms Malfoy and Mary for clearing that one up. Not feeling quite so challenged now. Downunder it all gets called coriander. We just specify which bit of the plant is required. On 04/12/2005, at 6:42 PM, CatMtn@aol.com wrote: > The seeds are coriander, the leaves are cilantro. And there is an > inherited > trait that makes it taste like soap to some people, Well the DH and I certainly got that one - although it's restricted to the leaves only. I can take the ground seeds in curries etc. but can't stand the leafy bits. IMNSHO the best way to ruin a Thai fish cake. Naturally everybody's MMV - and usually does! > similar to the trait > that makes caraway and cumin indistinguishable to some people. > > Mary but not that one. He hates caraway but loves cumin. Jacki in Canberra - all caught up after being over 8000 messages behind From bo at dendarii.com Sun Dec 4 14:14:02 2005 From: bo at dendarii.com (Bo Johansson) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] Vorkosigan ComConsole for Mozilla Firefox 1.5 Message-ID: <004e01c5f8dc$fa69abd0$ad3070d5@kd6k1pdjhhwk1ah> I have updated the "Vorkosigan ComConsole" theme for Mozilla Firefox 1.5. You can find it at http://hem.bredband.net/b104699/comconsole/index.html // Bo Johansson From redlion at sff.net Sun Dec 4 17:14:31 2005 From: redlion at sff.net (B. Ross Ashley) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Canadian political system Message-ID: <439323F7.4060104@sff.net> On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 22:14:44 +1100, "Sarah Crowley" wrote: > interesting.. Here in Australia, we do have ministers in the Senate > (upper house), but we elect them by state, not electorate. So, in > most elections, we have to vote for our local member, and then for > several senators. The only government position (AFAIK) that isn't > available to a senator is Prime Minister, who is the Leader of the > Government in the Lower House. On occasion, a Senator is elected > as leader, and then has to go through the resign--safe seat > by-election routine. Yeah, as Marna said, the Canadian Senate is appointed, and in practice it's the PM who does it. (In theory it's the Crown, on his advice.) Some of the Reform-ionded Conservatives want to elect the Senate and give it some political power ... we New Democrats officially want to abolish it. The only use it has is as a check on the Commons, after all. The Americans have only elected their Senators since 1900, of course; until then they were appointed by the state governments. -- B. Ross Ashley www.livejournal.com/users/brashley46/ http://brashley46.no-ip.info "It would be too painful to think that there are worlds somewhere where I got everything right." Sulien, in _The King's Name_, by Jo Walton Registered Linux user # 402119 From m.dolbear at lineone.net Sun Dec 4 17:32:54 2005 From: m.dolbear at lineone.net (Michael R N Dolbear) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Canadian political system Message-ID: <4jtvp3$25g9uv@mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com> > From: B. Ross Ashley > Date: 04 December 2005 17:14 [...] PM who does it. (In theory it's the Crown, on his advice.) Some of the Reform-ionded Conservatives want to elect the Senate and give it some political power ... we New Democrats officially want to abolish it. The only use it has is as a check on the Commons, after all. > > The Americans have only elected their Senators since 1900, of course; until then they were appointed by the state governments. 1913, so the Australians had direct election of Federal Senators for longer. Little Egret From mike at dendarii.co.uk Sun Dec 4 17:16:01 2005 From: mike at dendarii.co.uk (Michael Bernardi) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Lois-Bujold Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 missing Message-ID: <3046.mike@dendarii.co.uk> I've just been catching up on list traffic and discovered this month's Issue 2 isn't in my mailbox. Anyone still have a copy they can forward? Mike PS the quote generator on the Bujold Nexus http://www.dendarii.com/quotes.html has now been fixed. From morales.knight at gmail.com Sun Dec 4 18:42:46 2005 From: morales.knight at gmail.com (Luis Felipe Morales Knight) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: OT: definition, please! (was calling all librarians) In-Reply-To: References: <438DFB7F.9040006@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <9e2c72630512041042j27fdd1e7r36bb3aed86f7f50e@mail.gmail.com> I thought in the USN, a "squid" was a submariner... Luis On 12/4/05, Sarah Crowley wrote: > In the Royal Australian Navy (at least the Defence Academy bit of it) > 'squid' is/was a _very_ derogatory word for a female midshipman/officer. From yadler at thejnet.com Sun Dec 4 19:16:39 2005 From: yadler at thejnet.com (yadler@thejnet.com) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: calling all librarians References: <7C952CC727B6A94BA342634037F1F93505799CC4@bplwired2> <018501c5f5ed$e3476b50$17c13442@meg> Message-ID: <002301c5f907$40c35e80$805b80d8@DCLN9521> > Beth Mitcham: >> ObBujold: Were there any librarians in either universe? > > One, count 'em, *one,* lousy comment in Barrayar about having a party for > librarians. > > It did, however, spawn one of the funniest fanfics I've ever read (which > is > on the dendarii.com website). > > Megaera > who suspects that anyone with experience of bureaucracy, not just > librarians, would find it so > > -- *rolls eyes* asks very very very politely where said story might perchance be found? ziviya -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.11/191 - Release Date: 12/2/2005 From harimad2001 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 4 20:56:28 2005 From: harimad2001 at yahoo.com (J Selin) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] Cumin (was I know where my bowls are) OT: Message-ID: <20051204205629.38605.qmail@web53704.mail.yahoo.com> From: Jacki Knight >>> Marna asked: >>> and why does it smell like dust? >> For the same reason that cilantro tastes like dish soap. >> Megaera Not everyone likes cilantro, of course. In addition there is a gene that makes cilantro taste like soap to some. > Jacki in Canberra asked: > I always thought that Cilantro was just another name for > coriander (which does indeed taste like dishwashing liquid > - particularly the fresh leaves) except that recently I was > reading a cookbook which called for an amount of Cilantro > AND an amount of Coriander, Now I'm confused - anyone have > any ideas on this? I do. In cooking school my assigned herb for our paper was coriander and I know more than any sane person does about this herb & spice. Cilantro is the leaf only, coriander is the seed and the whole plant. Harimad __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From megj at nwlink.com Sun Dec 4 20:27:07 2005 From: megj at nwlink.com (MegJ) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: calling all librarians References: <7C952CC727B6A94BA342634037F1F93505799CC4@bplwired2><018501c5f5ed$e3476b50$17c13442@meg> <002301c5f907$40c35e80$805b80d8@DCLN9521> Message-ID: <01f301c5f916$d91c3b70$62c13442@meg> > *rolls eyes* asks very very very politely where said story might perchance > be found? > ziviya quoting myself: > It did, however, spawn one of the funniest fanfics I've ever read (which > is on the dendarii.com website). It's in the "inspired by" section. Megaera From megj at nwlink.com Sun Dec 4 20:30:24 2005 From: megj at nwlink.com (MegJ) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Re: Cool, in fact cold link of the day: Arctic political campaigns References: <20051202153541.76398.qmail@web34614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3a460ca6ff9c43b1297aa67123384040@knightech.com.au> Message-ID: <01f401c5f916$d9ca7cd0$62c13442@meg> Jacki: > Now I'm confused - again! It's good for you. Builds character. Or so I'm told... > In this country the verb 'to Ralph' means to well, throw up (like the > Scots verb 'to Huey'). And that's what I thought Marna was saying - > that the idea of these people (whoever they are) playing together in > the snow made her want to be sick. I'd never heard "to Huey," but yes, you have the right meaning for to Ralph. Given Marna's context that would be my guess, anyway. > OTOH Bob's answer made me think again. Or did the dumb Aussie just > miss the joke? I think Bob was deliberately misconstruing Marna's word usage into a joke. Bob? Megaera who thought it was funny, anyway From mtraber251 at earthlink.net Sun Dec 4 22:42:12 2005 From: mtraber251 at earthlink.net (M Traber) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: OT: definition, please! (was calling all librarians) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <439370C4.20000@earthlink.net> Sarah Crowley wrote: > Out of antipodean curiosity... > > In the Royal Australian Navy (at least the Defence Academy bit of it) > 'squid' is/was a _very_ derogatory word for a female > midshipman/officer. I'm assuming that isn't how you are using the word.. > > How are you using it? > > Sarah > > Squid is one of a number of not particularly derogatory word for sailor in general. There is also swabby [sailor in general, usually a very low ranking one fresh out of boot camp] and more rating specific like deck ape [boatswain's mate] bubblehead [submariner] airdale[crew for aircraft like helicopters] twidget [electronics tech] nuke [work in the nuclear power field] black gang [very archaic for engineman, refers to shoveling coal into the old style boilers] a-gang [auxilliaryman, deals with non-nuclear power and engines, and ships 'plumbing' systems] wire-biter [electricians mate] Think of it sort of like we refer to marines as jarheads, or army infantry as grunts. Caveat - these terms are generally used by military personnel and dependants about other military personnel. Many military feel you have to have been one to have earned the right to call them something that is a self given name. Sort of like blacks will call each other n*gger, but unless you are an extremely *close* friend you had better not try to walk up to someone and say "hey, my n*gger" the way one black can to another in certain situations. From alayne at twobikes.ottawa.on.ca Sun Dec 4 22:57:02 2005 From: alayne at twobikes.ottawa.on.ca (alayne@twobikes.ottawa.on.ca) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Canadian political system In-Reply-To: <439323F7.4060104@sff.net> References: <439323F7.4060104@sff.net> Message-ID: While there are a few members of the Canadian Senate who are energetic, do useful research and/or carefully examine bills to remove problems, and generally earn their keep, the majority are patronage appointments and a useful way for the ruling party to reward its apparatchiks. Essentially then they don't have to pay them for working on elections or doing party business -- they're "volunteers" who are paid by the taxpayer. Disgusting waste of tax money. In theory, I can see the point of bicameral legislatures simply to slow down hasty legislation (didn't Heinlein propose something similar?), but, in practice, it's made very little difference. -- Alayne McGregor alayne at twobikes.ottawa.on.ca "It is curious that nearly all the great fortunes are made by turning beautiful things into ugly ones. Making beauty out of ugliness is very ill-paid work." -- E. Nesbit, "A Course in Magic" From adamek at mac.com Sun Dec 4 23:50:28 2005 From: adamek at mac.com (Adam Ek) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] Cumin (was I know where my bowls are) OT: In-Reply-To: <20051204205629.38605.qmail@web53704.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051204205629.38605.qmail@web53704.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <098180A0-81EE-4784-BE36-6A9EFC72F61A@mac.com> On Dec 4, 2005, at 3:56 PM, J Selin wrote: > I do. In cooking school my assigned herb for our paper was coriander > and I know more than any sane person does about this herb & spice. > Cilantro is the leaf only, coriander is the seed and the whole plant. Gernot Katzer's web site has a tremendous amount of information on most spices. For his page on Coriander, see http://www.uni-graz.at/~katzer/engl/ generic_frame.html?Cori_sat.html Adam Ek adamek@mac.com From pgranzeau at cox.net Mon Dec 5 03:15:49 2005 From: pgranzeau at cox.net (Peter H. Granzeau) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Canadian political system In-Reply-To: References: <439323F7.4060104@sff.net> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20051204221051.02572e68@cox.net> At 05:57 PM 12/4/2005, alayne@twobikes.ottawa.on.ca wrote: >While there are a few members of the Canadian Senate who are energetic, do >useful research and/or carefully examine bills to remove problems, and >generally earn their keep, the majority are patronage appointments and a >useful way for the ruling party to reward its apparatchiks. Essentially >then they don't have to pay them for working on elections or doing party >business -- they're "volunteers" who are paid by the taxpayer. Disgusting >waste of tax money. > >In theory, I can see the point of bicameral legislatures simply to slow >down hasty legislation (didn't Heinlein propose something similar?), but, >in practice, it's made very little difference. Whereas Britain, with one of the original models of a two-chamber parliament, has emasculated the House of Lords to the point it can do nothing whatever to "money bills", cannot amend anything, and is limited to delaying other bills for 12 months. -- Regards, Pete pgranzeau@cox.net From pgranzeau at cox.net Mon Dec 5 03:26:24 2005 From: pgranzeau at cox.net (Peter H. Granzeau) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: OT: definition, please! (was calling all librarians) In-Reply-To: <439370C4.20000@earthlink.net> References: <439370C4.20000@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20051204222016.02568210@cox.net> At 05:42 PM 12/4/2005, M Traber wrote: >Sarah Crowley wrote: > >>Out of antipodean curiosity... >> >>In the Royal Australian Navy (at least the Defence Academy bit of >>it) 'squid' is/was a _very_ derogatory word for a female >>midshipman/officer. I'm assuming that isn't how you are using the word.. >> >>How are you using it? >> >>Sarah >> >Squid is one of a number of not particularly derogatory word for >sailor in general. There is also swabby [sailor in general, usually >a very low ranking one fresh out of boot camp] and more rating >specific like deck ape [boatswain's mate] bubblehead [submariner] >airdale[crew for aircraft like helicopters] twidget [electronics >tech] nuke [work in the nuclear power field] black gang [very >archaic for engineman, refers to shoveling coal into the old style >boilers] a-gang [auxilliaryman, deals with non-nuclear power and >engines, and ships 'plumbing' systems] wire-biter [electricians mate] The general term for sailors in engineering was, at the time I was in the USN, "snipe". I have no idea where it came from. "Squid" is used by jarheads, grunts, and flyboys, not by naval personnel. I'm trying to remember the term used for surface navy by the bubbleheads, but can't. >Think of it sort of like we refer to marines as jarheads, or army >infantry as grunts. > >Caveat - these terms are generally used by military personnel and >dependants about other military personnel. Many military feel you >have to have been one to have earned the right to call them >something that is a self given name. Sort of like blacks will call >each other n*gger, but unless you are an extremely *close* friend >you had better not try to walk up to someone and say "hey, my >n*gger" the way one black can to another in certain situations. -- Regards, Pete pgranzeau@cox.net From tlambs1138 at charter.net Mon Dec 5 03:59:58 2005 From: tlambs1138 at charter.net (Jean Lamb) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] Adjustant Birthday Pixie Strikes Again! Film at 11! Message-ID: <004201c5f950$5c8e59a0$6dedbe42@Samantha> The Adjutat Birthday Pixie sweeps onto the stage, bearing a Borders coupon that somehow was given to her by the latest Birthday Person. This seems....odd. But nice. But that's the way our Governour-General is. (Faithful Companion, stop trying to eat the Hat!) Hail to thee, James Bryant, aka Lord of Curry and Other Yummy Things, He who possesses a library well-surrounded by a house, and who looks to live for quite some time in the future, despite the advancing years. I mean, won't your father make his century fairily soon? When one is clearly descended from the Old Took, one has certain expectations about lifespan. Oh, yes, his birthday is December 5th. May the coming year contain many more new books/friends, not getting lost in L-space, no malfunctioning electronics components when visiting Mr. Bed, lots of interesting work to do and interesting people to do it with, and flights that never miss their connection. Virtual present: the title of Duke of Denver. Someone's got to keep order among all those cattle barons, as well as weed out all the Hari Krishni at the Denver International...(yup, the North American Denver. Good luck dealing with the Colbys and the Carringtons, too. Er, did I ever mention that I was an unreconstruced _Dynasty_ fan? No?). Happy Birthday, James! Jean Lamb, tlambs1138@charter.net "Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for you are crunchy and good with lemon drops." From tlambs1138 at charter.net Mon Dec 5 04:35:50 2005 From: tlambs1138 at charter.net (Jean Lamb) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Need to learn how to spell! References: <200512050400.jB540cBE005515@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <000c01c5f955$5ef33260$6dedbe42@Samantha> I meant 'adjutant' Birthday Tixie. Both times. Honest! Jean Lamb, tlambs1138@charter.net "Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for you are crunchy and good with lemon drops." From iosef at gothic.net.au Mon Dec 5 06:06:23 2005 From: iosef at gothic.net.au (I) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Canadian political system In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20051204221051.02572e68@cox.net> References: <439323F7.4060104@sff.net> <6.2.5.6.2.20051204221051.02572e68@cox.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20051205170137.03cc6ce0@mail.gothic.net.au> At 02:15 PM 5/12/2005, Peter H. Granzeau wrote: >Whereas Britain, with one of the original models of a two-chamber >parliament, has emasculated the House of Lords to the point it can do >nothing whatever to "money bills", cannot amend anything, and is limited >to delaying other bills for 12 months. Much of these reforms where partly due to the Australian difficulties in 1975. For those interested search for "dismissal" "November 11 1975" and "constitutional crisis" Australia to find more data than you probably need. Iestyn (A partisan commentator trying not to give a biased viewpoint.) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.11/191 - Release Date: 2/12/2005 From dtilque at nwlink.com Mon Dec 5 07:43:10 2005 From: dtilque at nwlink.com (Dan Tilque) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] Adjustant Birthday Pixie Strikes Again! Film at 11! References: <004201c5f950$5c8e59a0$6dedbe42@Samantha> Message-ID: <004c01c5f96f$8b14a800$17292a42@nwlink.com> Jean Lamb wrote: > > Virtual present: the title of Duke of Denver. Someone's got to > keep order among all those cattle barons, as well as weed out > all the Hari Krishni at the Denver International...(yup, the > North American Denver. Good luck dealing with the Colbys and > the Carringtons, too. Er, did I ever mention that I was an > unreconstruced _Dynasty_ fan? No?). I thought that title was owned by the Wimsey family. -- Dan Tilque From rachel at compromise.fsnet.co.uk Mon Dec 5 11:58:55 2005 From: rachel at compromise.fsnet.co.uk (Rachel Ganz) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Canadian political system Message-ID: <23409992.1133783935901.JavaMail.www@wwinf3101> >In theory, I can see the point of bicameral legislatures simply to slow >down hasty legislation (didn't Heinlein propose something similar?), but, >in practice, it's made very little difference. The other theory is that appointees can be experienced professionsals, who can bring the wit and wisdom of a world outside politics to ponder upon the laws created by a bunch of career politicians. Which is as good a reason for having British bishops guaranteed their seat in the House of Lords as any other "lords temroal and lords spiritual" Rachel From rachel at compromise.fsnet.co.uk Mon Dec 5 12:00:11 2005 From: rachel at compromise.fsnet.co.uk (Rachel Ganz) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Re: Cool, in fact cold link of the day: Arctic political campaigns Message-ID: <30506066.1133784011181.JavaMail.www@wwinf3101> >> In this country the verb 'to Ralph' means to well, throw up (like the >> Scots verb 'to Huey'). >I'd never heard "to Huey," but yes, you have the right meaning for to Ralph. Surely to "call on Hughie" onamatopeia rules again. Rachel From mtraber251 at earthlink.net Mon Dec 5 12:36:23 2005 From: mtraber251 at earthlink.net (M Traber) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: OT: definition, please! (was calling all librarians) In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20051204222016.02568210@cox.net> References: <439370C4.20000@earthlink.net> <6.2.5.6.2.20051204222016.02568210@cox.net> Message-ID: <43943447.4060300@earthlink.net> Peter H. Granzeau wrote: > > The general term for sailors in engineering was, at the time I was in > the USN, "snipe". I have no idea where it came from. "Squid" is used > by jarheads, grunts, and flyboys, not by naval personnel. I'm trying > to remember the term used for surface navy by the bubbleheads, but can't. > Target. =) And squid is the current [for the past 15 years I have been married to one, and 3 years living with previously] name. Snipe - probably related to snipe hunting, or some vague reference to the water bird of the same name ... but I would put my money on the mythical snipe hunt ... as in Dang it, the fast flood valving has a leak, where are those d*mned snipes when you need one ... From ptj at melesmeles.demon.co.uk Fri Dec 2 19:19:18 2005 From: ptj at melesmeles.demon.co.uk (Philip Johnson) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] Cool, in fact cold, link of the day: Arctic politicalcampaigns OT: In-Reply-To: <1133486278.13654.248813103@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <4ju3tt$20tk24@mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com> <1133486278.13654.248813103@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <43909E36.3030400@melesmeles.demon.co.uk> Tracy MacShane wrote: >On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 00:52:21 -0000, "Michael R N Dolbear" > said: > > >>"British style, so government ministers are normally MPs" then ? >> >>An example of a parliamentary democracy where MPs resign on becoming >>government ministers please ? >> >> >> > >Yes, that one is puzzling me too. But I think it's in reference to the >English parliament, where members of the House of Lords are often >ministers. And, actually, *they* are technically not Members of >Parliament, they are "Peers". > >Tracy > > > They are, in fact, members of Parliament. Parliament consists of two Houses, the House of Commons and the House of Peers. It is not usual for an important Ministry to be given to a peer, as he cannot be held accountable in the House of Commons. Phil the Badger -- Never do for yourself what you can con an expert into doing for you. Naismith: "On War" From robtjwms at yahoo.com Mon Dec 5 14:13:53 2005 From: robtjwms at yahoo.com (BOB!!) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: OT: definition, please! In-Reply-To: <200512050400.jB540cBF005515@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <20051205141353.82176.qmail@web34615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> M Traber wrote: > >boilers] a-gang [auxilliaryman, deals with non-nuclear power and > >engines, and ships 'plumbing' systems] wire-biter [electricians > mate] Signalmen are called "skivvy wavers" and "twidget" can be used for anybody who works on electronics, including sonar technicians "ping jockeys" and fire controlmen. Snipes will even refer to Operations Specialists (aka "scope dopes") as twidgets, but the term is correctly only applied to people who fix electronics, not the guys who break them. Peter H. Granzeau replied: > The general term for sailors in engineering was, at the time I was > in > the USN, "snipe". The terms most commonly used for Hospital Corpsmen (for those of you who don't recognise the term, that's the Navy/Marine Corps equivalent of a medic) besides "Doc" are more than a bit off color, and I won't repeat them here. >"Squid" is > used by jarheads, grunts, and flyboys, not by naval personnel. I'm Plenty of squids use the term "squid" - I know I do from time to time, as do many of my friends. When I say "grunt" I typically mean any infantryman, including the jarheads, and I use "dogface" when I'm talking to my Army brethren. Air Farce personnel are often referred to as "wing wipers" as well. > trying to remember the term used for surface navy by the > bubbleheads, Skimmer, or skimmer-puke, depending how unfriendly they want to be. And they refer naval vessels in two ways: boats (which is what they call submarines) and targets (known to the rest of the world as surface ships). Regards, BOB!! - skimmer puke twidget turned mustang spook __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From robtjwms at yahoo.com Mon Dec 5 14:17:47 2005 From: robtjwms at yahoo.com (BOB!!) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Re: Cool, in fact cold link of the day: Arctic political campaigns In-Reply-To: <200512050400.jB540cBF005515@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <20051205141747.41250.qmail@web34609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MegJ wrote: > I think Bob was deliberately misconstruing Marna's word usage into > a joke. > Bob? Indeed, that was the case. I guess it's just too much Canadian Content (tm) for such an international group. > who thought it was funny, anyway I'm glad someone did. BOB!! __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From phil.boswell at gmail.com Mon Dec 5 14:58:43 2005 From: phil.boswell at gmail.com (Phil Boswell) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Wiki at Amazon In-Reply-To: <02f701c5f494$a0214800$02392c42@oemcomputer> References: <02f701c5f494$a0214800$02392c42@oemcomputer> Message-ID: On 29/11/05, Nicholas Rosen wrote: [snip] > A friend who had learned about LMB from my website > (www.cygnus-wnc.com/ndrosen/index.html) just asked > about reading order. I e-mailed him an answer, but it would > have been nice to just point him to the answer (he wrote > to me that a URL would be acceptable). Next time around, you could try: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorkosigan_Saga but there are spoilers. Lois' page is linked from there, and is relatively spoiler-free. There are also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Curse_of_Chalion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paladin_of_Souls http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hallowed_Hunt which frankly need a lot of work (the last one is a total disgrace): there doesn't seem to be anything which covers the series as a whole. HTH HAND -- Phil From m.dolbear at lineone.net Mon Dec 5 15:58:42 2005 From: m.dolbear at lineone.net (Michael R N Dolbear) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Canadian political system Message-ID: <4ju3tt$23ajhq@mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com> > From: Peter H. Granzeau Date: 05 December 2005 03:15 [...] > Whereas Britain, with one of the original models of a two-chamber > parliament, has emasculated the House of Lords to the point it can do > nothing whatever to "money bills", cannot amend anything, and is > limited to delaying other bills for 12 months. Wrong, the H of L amends bills all the time and indeed the government often relies on this to clean up what the House of Commons did. The most public recent example was the Hunting with Hounds Bill where the H of C refused to agree to the Lords amendments and so the rare Parliament Act 1911 & 1948 procedure with the 12 month delay was resorted to. The H of L can also stop any new or altered statutory regulations, you probably forgot about this because Congress has no such power. Little Egret From m.dolbear at lineone.net Mon Dec 5 16:25:26 2005 From: m.dolbear at lineone.net (Michael R N Dolbear) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Canadian political system Message-ID: <4ju2f5$273feo@mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com> > From: I > Date: 05 December 2005 06:06 [House of Lords] > >to delaying other bills for 12 months. > Much of these reforms where partly due to the Australian difficulties in > 1975. For those interested search for "dismissal" "November 11 > 1975" and "constitutional crisis" Australia to find more data than you > probably need. I know what you ought to mean, but the above reads like 'backward causation' since the changes to the UK Constitution were made after the Commonwealth of Australia was formed but long before 1975 - in fact in 1911 & 1949. Note also that the Australians have not amended their constitution in the light of the events of 1975, even the proposed 'Republic' amendment didn't deal with the issue. Little Egret the Brit From pgranzeau at cox.net Mon Dec 5 16:45:15 2005 From: pgranzeau at cox.net (Peter H. Granzeau) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Canadian political system In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051205170137.03cc6ce0@mail.gothic.net.au> References: <439323F7.4060104@sff.net> <6.2.5.6.2.20051204221051.02572e68@cox.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20051205170137.03cc6ce0@mail.gothic.net.au> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20051205111459.02561d08@cox.net> At 01:06 AM 12/5/2005, I wrote: >At 02:15 PM 5/12/2005, Peter H. Granzeau wrote: > >>Whereas Britain, with one of the original models of a two-chamber >>parliament, has emasculated the House of Lords to the point it can >>do nothing whatever to "money bills", cannot amend anything, and is >>limited to delaying other bills for 12 months. >Much of these reforms where partly due to the Australian >difficulties in 1975. For those interested search for "dismissal" >"November 11 1975" and "constitutional crisis" Australia to find >more data than you probably need. I thought the British constitutional changes went back further than that? Checking the Britannica, the Parliament Act of 1911 made all "money bills" become law one month after passage by Commons, whether the Lords had approved them or not, and provided that all other bills become law if passed by Commons in two successive Parliamentary sessions and at least two years had passed between the second reading in the first session and its third reading in the second session--this was reduced to one year in 1949. Since 1999, only 92 of the 750 hereditary peers may sit in the House of Lords, together with the life peers, the Lords Spiritual (the 26 bishops of the Church of England) and the Law Lords (who sit as the highest court of appeals in Britain (except for Scottish criminal cases). The 92 hereditary peers are only a temporary measure (it says here); the Labour party is committed to the eventual abolishment of the House of Lords altogether. The Australian "constitutional crisis" could happen in America, quite easily. If one House of Congress refuses to pass a budget or money bill, in the US nothing can be done about it. In Australia, at least, the GG had the power to order new elections, over the objection of the PM (which is what made it a crisis, to start with). Nothing on Earth could order new elections in the US. Regards, Pete pgranzeau@cox.net From iosef at gothic.net.au Mon Dec 5 17:14:47 2005 From: iosef at gothic.net.au (I) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Canadian political system In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20051205111459.02561d08@cox.net> References: <439323F7.4060104@sff.net> <6.2.5.6.2.20051204221051.02572e68@cox.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20051205170137.03cc6ce0@mail.gothic.net.au> <6.2.5.6.2.20051205111459.02561d08@cox.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20051206035820.03cc8a00@mail.gothic.net.au> At 03:45 AM 6/12/2005, Peter H. Granzeau wrote: >At 01:06 AM 12/5/2005, I wrote: >>At 02:15 PM 5/12/2005, Peter H. Granzeau wrote: >> >>>Whereas Britain, with one of the original models of a two-chamber >>>parliament, has emasculated the House of Lords to the point it can do >>>nothing whatever to "money bills", cannot amend anything, and is limited >>>to delaying other bills for 12 months. > >>Much of these reforms where partly due to the Australian difficulties in >>1975. For those interested search for "dismissal" "November 11 >>1975" and "constitutional crisis" Australia to find more data than >>you probably need. > >I thought the British constitutional changes went back further than that? > >Since 1999, only 92 of the 750 hereditary peers may sit in the House of >Lords, together with the life peers, the Lords Spiritual (the 26 bishops >of the Church of England) and the Law Lords (who sit as the highest court >of appeals in Britain (except for Scottish criminal cases). The 92 >hereditary peers are only a temporary measure (it says here); the Labour >party is committed to the eventual abolishment of the House of Lords >altogether. My error of expression and my very poor editing. The Australian system is rather complicated, with different states having separate constitutions and much of the changes needed to effect such change not needing to pass a referendum. For example, the upper house in Queensland voted itself out existence in 1922? or thereabouts, the Upper house in NSW has removed its power to block budgets, and the Victorian upper house is undergoing change at this time (at least in theory). The British reforms that were in a small way effected by Australian happenings were the reductions involved in the 1999 House of Lords Bill, particularly informing the breakdown between partisan and cross bench members. An interesting "outsiders view" can be found at http://www.psa.ac.uk/publications/psd/1998/ward2.htm It must be noted that the "Republican referendum" that was unsuccessful was only a choice between maintaining status-quo or adopting a very specific form of Republic, with a President appointed by the Government. Iestyn -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.11/191 - Release Date: 2/12/2005 From jessybrody at gmail.com Tue Dec 6 00:06:53 2005 From: jessybrody at gmail.com (Jessy Brody) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Request for Book Rec: Quantum Computing in Fiction Message-ID: I'm going to briefly delurk to ask if any of youse guys know of any book in which quantum computing has rendered present encryption methods useless, and which shows how society adjusted; this came up in my Computer Science class (which I'd like quite a lot, if I weren't tested on the material), and my discussion group postulated that, among other effects though this one being one of the more interesting, instead of one big internet, there would be smaller ones, like school intranets, whose members would be previously known and trusted ... Though now I remember that that's a lot like in _Idoru_ by William Gibson, in which a killfile is turned inside out, though not for the same reasons ... And in regards to the ethics of anthropology thing, I will get back to you guys (and esp Marna) on that, but I have more papers than I'd care to count which need writing in the next two weeks ... Ellipses, that's what it's all about. JLB -- Welcome to Triage -Kurt Vonnegut He was never noisy and lacked the dogmatism of the insecure -written of George Orwell From sharrisoncarter at yahoo.com Tue Dec 6 06:04:54 2005 From: sharrisoncarter at yahoo.com (Harrison Carter) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Re: definition, please! (naval slang) In-Reply-To: <200512050400.jB540cBF005515@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <20051206060454.88422.qmail@web80904.mail.scd.yahoo.com> M Traber wrote: > black gang [very archaic for engineman, > refers to shoveling coal into the old > style boilers] While that is the archaic origin, a friend formerly in the merchant marine assured me that it is still in use, and considering the less-than-spotless nature of most diesel-fired boiler rooms in ships, quite apropos. And Peter H. Granzeau followed with: > I'm trying to remember the term used for > surface navy by the bubbleheads, but > can't. "Targets." (Or did you not intend the setup?) cheers. - Harrison __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From cally.perry at gmail.com Tue Dec 6 07:00:06 2005 From: cally.perry at gmail.com (Cally Perry) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Cumin (was I know where my bowls are) In-Reply-To: <992b02e0e9cb196b24b8f18909618c26@knightech.com.au> References: <21e.49594c4.30c3f7f7@aol.com> <992b02e0e9cb196b24b8f18909618c26@knightech.com.au> Message-ID: <26a857020512052300n521b6bbfm6bb311e0514be263@mail.gmail.com> Cilantro is new in general usage in American English for coriander leaf. Persons generally ignorant of culinary matters picked it up from menus in Mexican restaurants and either didn't know that there was already an English word for it or didn't recognize it. Cookbooks and menus in cuisines with a history of speaking English, Indian, for example, still refer to coriander leaf or fresh coriander as they always have, but I expect htey'll be changing soon. A similar thing has happened to rocket, which is suddenly called arugula. The seed packets for both have changed within the last five years. Cally From carbonelle at juno.com Tue Dec 6 08:27:47 2005 From: carbonelle at juno.com (Kirsten Edwards) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: AKICIF: Lost Book OT: Message-ID: <20051206.002829.8820.59799@webmail39.lax.untd.com> Countryboy tagged it (THE TAKING by Dean Koontz) and the patron confirmed it. Huzzah for the (memory of) a countryboy (and to ramble in the new-mown, er, new- Hmmm.. down memory lane? Thanks! Kirsten (http://www.informatik.uni-hamburg.de/~zierke/watersons/songs/countrylife.html) ___________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 250MB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From phil.boswell at gmail.com Tue Dec 6 10:32:39 2005 From: phil.boswell at gmail.com (Phil Boswell) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: calling all librarians In-Reply-To: <002301c5f907$40c35e80$805b80d8@DCLN9521> References: <7C952CC727B6A94BA342634037F1F93505799CC4@bplwired2> <018501c5f5ed$e3476b50$17c13442@meg> <002301c5f907$40c35e80$805b80d8@DCLN9521> Message-ID: On 04/12/05, yadler@thejnet.com wrote: > > Beth Mitcham: > >> ObBujold: Were there any librarians in either universe? > > One, count 'em, *one,* lousy comment in Barrayar about having a party for > > librarians. > > It did, however, spawn one of the funniest fanfics I've ever read (which > > is on the dendarii.com website). > *rolls eyes* asks very very very politely where said story might perchance > be found? ObAaron: here: http://www.dendarii.co.uk/FanFic/party.html -- Phil From danemcgregor at rubi-mac.com Tue Dec 6 14:26:06 2005 From: danemcgregor at rubi-mac.com (Dane McGregor) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] RE: OT: Request for Book Rec: Quantum Computing in Fiction In-Reply-To: <200512060832.jB68WMZR026902@lists.herald.co.uk> References: <200512060832.jB68WMZR026902@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: > From: Jessy Brody > Subject: [LMB] OT: Request for Book Rec: Quantum Computing in Fiction > > I'm going to briefly delurk to ask if any of youse guys know of any > book in which quantum computing has rendered present encryption > methods useless, and which shows how society adjusted; this came up in > my Computer Science class (which I'd like quite a lot, if I weren't > tested on the material), and my discussion group postulated that, > among other effects though this one being one of the more interesting, > instead of one big internet, there would be smaller ones, like school > intranets, whose members would be previously known and trusted ... Although not about Quantum Computing per se, both of David Brin's _Earth_ and _Kiln People_ show near-future societies and how they function "transparently" (i.e., with little real privacy), _Earth_ more so than the other. Both good reads, in any event. Also check out _The Transparent Society: Will Technology Force Us to Choose Between Privacy and Freedom?_ by David Brin, a non-fiction book on the subject. --Dane, re-lurking. danemcgregor at rubi dash mac dot com From jbcroft at ou.edu Tue Dec 6 14:55:02 2005 From: jbcroft at ou.edu (Croft, Janet B.) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] LMB GOH at Mythcon37, Norman OK, August 4-7, 2006 Message-ID: <616885FB42966548B07F9EBADA59E14205A48910@XMAIL.sooner.net.ou.edu> I'm delighted to be able to announce to this list that Lois McMaster Bujold has agreed to be the Author Guest of Honor at Mythcon 37, the annual conference of the Mythopoeic Society. The conference will be held on the University of Oklahoma Campus in Norman OK, August 4-7, 2006. _The Curse of Chalion_ won the society's Mythopoeic Fantasy Award for Adult Literature in 2002. For more details, registration, and call for papers, go to http://www.mythsoc.org/mythcon37.html or feel free to contact me directly. Hope to meet some of you there! Janet Janet Brennan Croft Head of Access Services University of Oklahoma Libraries Bizzell 104NW Norman OK 73019 405-325-1918 Fax 405-325-7618 jbcroft@ou.edu http://faculty-staff.ou.edu/C/Janet.B.Croft-1/ http://libraries.ou.edu/ ---------------------------------------- "History does not always repeat itself. Sometimes it just yells, 'Can't you remember anything I told you?' and lets fly with a club." -- John W. Campbell, Jr. From sraun at fireopal.org Tue Dec 6 15:53:15 2005 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Cumin (was I know where my bowls are) In-Reply-To: <26a857020512052300n521b6bbfm6bb311e0514be263@mail.gmail.com> References: <21e.49594c4.30c3f7f7@aol.com> <992b02e0e9cb196b24b8f18909618c26@knightech.com.au> <26a857020512052300n521b6bbfm6bb311e0514be263@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051206155315.GA14704@fireopal.org> On Tue, Dec 06, 2005 at 02:00:06AM -0500, Cally Perry wrote: > Cilantro is new in general usage in American English for coriander > leaf. Persons generally ignorant of culinary matters picked it up > from menus in Mexican restaurants and either didn't know that there > was already an English word for it or didn't recognize it. The Chinese restaurants also refer the leaf as cilantro, at least in my area (Minneapolis, MN). This especially shows up at Dim Sum - one of the common dumplings is described as having cilantro in it. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From a.abraham at mail.utexas.edu Tue Dec 6 17:37:08 2005 From: a.abraham at mail.utexas.edu (Andrew Lambdin-Abraham) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Re: Cool, in fact cold link of the day: Arctic political campaigns In-Reply-To: <20051205141747.41250.qmail@web34609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051205141747.41250.qmail@web34609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 5/12/2005, at 8:17 AM, BOB!! wrote: > Indeed, that was the case. I guess it's just too much Canadian > Content (tm) for such an international group. Given the quality of posters we have here from Canada, and my affection for their music, I am always in favor of CanCon. Andrew From CatMtn at aol.com Tue Dec 6 18:10:05 2005 From: CatMtn at aol.com (CatMtn@aol.com) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Re: definition, please! (naval slang) Message-ID: <12e.6bf9c36c.30c72dfd@aol.com> I remember hearing the terms "blackshoe navy" and "brownshoe navy," And I think it had something to do with separating two branches of the service, but don't remember exactly what they meant. Anyone? Mary From vlecuyer at ksu.edu Tue Dec 6 18:53:24 2005 From: vlecuyer at ksu.edu (vlecuyer@ksu.edu) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] As my Lady commands: Crosspost on quotes from Baen's Bar In-Reply-To: <200512060832.jB68WMZP026902@lists.herald.co.uk> References: <200512060832.jB68WMZP026902@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <1133895204.4395de24d9eee@webmail.ksu.edu> Someone posted a quotation reference site on the Baen list. (I'm communicating remotely, today, so I don't have my reference handy.) Lois had quite a few entries on it, and it got her thinking about good quotes versus just quoting favorite lines. I respectfully disagreed with her observations. The exchange is below. (crossposted at her suggestion, btw) Does anyone have additional thoughts they want to add? Disagreements? Duelling examples? Victoria ----begin crosspost---- >I have to say you write good >stories with a lot of good >scenes. However, >you have a pithy turn of >phrase that transcends mere >"scene-ry" based >punch lines. In my opinion, >people confuse favorite lines >with great >quotes. > >A good quote from a book has >to be: >1) Complete. It must stand on >it's own. No supporting scenes >needed or >wanted. People who haven't >read the book don't need to >know the rest. >2) Pithy. Preferably one >sentence, but certainly no >more than three in >very wordy cases. >3) Profound. It has to have >meaning outside of and >independent from the >story that houses it. It must >function independent of it's >original >context. > >Frex -- Great quotes: >--"The one thing you can't >trade for you heart's desire >is your heart." >--"Reputation is what other >people know about you. Honor >is what you >know about yourself. >--"My home is not a place, it >is people." >--"Suicidal glory is the >luxury of the irresponsible. >We're not giving >up. We're waiting for a better >opportunity to win. >--"His mother had often said, >When you choose an action, you >choose the >consequences of that action. >She had emphasized the >corollary of this >axiom even more vehemently: >when you desired a >consequence, you had >damned well better take the >action that would create it." >This one >stretches pithy to its limits. >If it were me, I would have >posted it >differently. "...When you >choose an action, you choose >the consequences >of that action ... when you >desired a consequence, you had >damned well >better take the action that >would create it." > >A favorite line is very much >like a punch line. Like #2 for >Good Quotes >it's pithy. It distills the >essence of the scene, but it >looses most, if >not all, meaning when >separated from its context. >However, it lacks >numbers 1 and 3. > >Frex -- Favorite Lines: >--"Ivan, you idiot. What are >you doing here?" 1) This is >obviously part >of a conversation because of >the interrogatory. So Quote >requirement #1 >fails. However, when you know >the scene it comes from, and >the history >of these two, you realize that >Simon can be more affable than >he >normally appears and Ivan more >heroic/responsible/caring than >he appears. >--"Miles remembered what >happened the last time he went >fishing." This >is both a reminder of a >favorite scene from another >book and a signal >for upcoming adventure. >--"I'm so tired I can't get >up, nor stand on my feet, >either." Alone, >this is merely lewd. Taken in >context, it's a pun combined >with the >implied proposition. Not the >first thing I expected to read >when Ista >and Illvin are filthy, >exhausted and slumped against >the wall waiting >for the next attack. It brings >a smile to my face every time. >--"Shopping." Well that's one >thing to call a raid that ends >in taking >someone's head off his >shoulders--literally. > >Victoria > > > >baenmilestogo Listmanager >wrote: > >>From: "Lois Bujold" >> >>An awful lot of the power of my best passages depends not on the words on that page, but on the words on all the pages that went before. This is, I think, an example; it's like the punch-line without the joke. >> >>Many years ago, during an internet discussion of my work, a, shall we say, somewhat self-assured literary type was demanding examples from Bujold works of sentences of "fine prose", of which he plainly thought there were none. Belatedly, I thought of offering up "Ivan, you idiot. What are you doing here?" as an example, and assuring him it had been known to make readers break down and weep. >> >>A story isn't only in the sentences. It's also in what's between. >> >>Musing, L. >> ----end crosspost---- From morales.knight at gmail.com Tue Dec 6 19:02:46 2005 From: morales.knight at gmail.com (Luis Felipe Morales Knight) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Re: definition, please! (naval slang) In-Reply-To: <12e.6bf9c36c.30c72dfd@aol.com> References: <12e.6bf9c36c.30c72dfd@aol.com> Message-ID: <9e2c72630512061102y26f8f004sc5effae15a279861@mail.gmail.com> Hrm.... My Navy helo pilot friend once mentioned that "shoes" (which I think expands to "black shoes") are the ship people, as opposed to the flying people (who may be the "brown shoes"). But I am not sure that memory serves here. Anyone? Luis On 12/6/05, CatMtn@aol.com wrote: > > I remember hearing the terms "blackshoe navy" and "brownshoe navy," And > I > think it had something to do with separating two branches of the > service, but > don't remember exactly what they meant. Anyone? > > From sjgerman at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 6 19:09:13 2005 From: sjgerman at sbcglobal.net (Sherry German) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Lois-Bujold Digest, Vol 7, Issue 11 References: <200512060832.jB68WMZQ026902@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <001701c5fa98$8c63c950$1e45e604@SherryBusiness> Dwaine, You send your payments to Internal Revenue Service, Memphis Service Center, Memphis TN 37501-0059 Be sure to use the 9 digit zip. Sherry German ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 2:32 AM Subject: Lois-Bujold Digest, Vol 7, Issue 11 > Send Lois-Bujold mailing list submissions to > lois-bujold@lists.herald.co.uk > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.herald.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lois-bujold > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > lois-bujold-request@lists.herald.co.uk > > You can reach the person managing the list at > lois-bujold-owner@lists.herald.co.uk > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Lois-Bujold digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: OT: Re: Cool, in fact cold link of the day: Arctic > political campaigns (Rachel Ganz) > 2. Re: Re: OT: definition, please! (was calling all librarians) > (M Traber) > 3. Re: Cool, in fact cold, link of the day: Arctic > politicalcampaigns OT: (Philip Johnson) > 4. Re: OT: definition, please! (BOB!!) > 5. OT: Re: Cool, in fact cold link of the day: Arctic political > campaigns (BOB!!) > 6. Re: Re: Wiki at Amazon (Phil Boswell) > 7. Re: OT: Canadian political system (Michael R N Dolbear) > 8. Re: OT: Canadian political system (Michael R N Dolbear) > 9. Re: OT: Canadian political system (Peter H. Granzeau) > 10. Re: OT: Canadian political system (I) > 11. OT: Request for Book Rec: Quantum Computing in Fiction > (Jessy Brody) > 12. OT: Re: definition, please! (naval slang) (Harrison Carter) > 13. Re: OT: Cumin (was I know where my bowls are) (Cally Perry) > 14. Re: AKICIF: Lost Book OT: (Kirsten Edwards) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 13:00:11 +0100 (CET) > From: Rachel Ganz > Subject: RE: [LMB] OT: Re: Cool, in fact cold link of the day: Arctic > political campaigns > To: "Discussion of the works of Lois McMaster Bujold." > > Message-ID: <30506066.1133784011181.JavaMail.www@wwinf3101> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > >> In this country the verb 'to Ralph' means to well, throw up (like the > >> Scots verb 'to Huey'). > > >I'd never heard "to Huey," but yes, you have the right meaning for to > >Ralph. > > Surely > to "call on Hughie" > onamatopeia rules again. > > Rachel > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 07:36:23 -0500 > From: M Traber > Subject: Re: [LMB] Re: OT: definition, please! (was calling all > librarians) > To: "Discussion of the works of Lois McMaster Bujold." > > Message-ID: <43943447.4060300@earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Peter H. Granzeau wrote: > >> >> The general term for sailors in engineering was, at the time I was in >> the USN, "snipe". I have no idea where it came from. "Squid" is used >> by jarheads, grunts, and flyboys, not by naval personnel. I'm trying >> to remember the term used for surface navy by the bubbleheads, but can't. >> > Target. =) > > And squid is the current [for the past 15 years I have been married to > one, and 3 years living with previously] name. > > Snipe - probably related to snipe hunting, or some vague reference to > the water bird of the same name ... but I would put my money on the > mythical snipe hunt ... as in Dang it, the fast flood valving has a > leak, where are those d*mned snipes when you need one ... > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 19:19:18 +0000 > From: Philip Johnson > Subject: Re: [LMB] Cool, in fact cold, link of the day: Arctic > politicalcampaigns OT: > To: "Discussion of the works of Lois McMaster Bujold." > > Message-ID: <43909E36.3030400@melesmeles.demon.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Tracy MacShane wrote: > >>On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 00:52:21 -0000, "Michael R N Dolbear" >> said: >> >> >>>"British style, so government ministers are normally MPs" then ? >>> >>>An example of a parliamentary democracy where MPs resign on becoming >>>government ministers please ? >>> >>> >>> >> >>Yes, that one is puzzling me too. But I think it's in reference to the >>English parliament, where members of the House of Lords are often >>ministers. And, actually, *they* are technically not Members of >>Parliament, they are "Peers". >> >>Tracy >> >> >> > They are, in fact, members of Parliament. Parliament consists of two > Houses, the House of Commons and the House of Peers. > > > It is not usual for an important Ministry to be given to a peer, as he > cannot be held accountable in the House of Commons. > > Phil the Badger > > -- > Never do for yourself what you can con an expert into doing for you. > Naismith: "On War" > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 06:13:53 -0800 (PST) > From: BOB!! > Subject: [LMB] Re: OT: definition, please! > To: lois-bujold@lists.herald.co.uk > Message-ID: <20051205141353.82176.qmail@web34615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > M Traber wrote: > >> >boilers] a-gang [auxilliaryman, deals with non-nuclear power and >> >engines, and ships 'plumbing' systems] wire-biter [electricians >> mate] > > Signalmen are called "skivvy wavers" and "twidget" can be used for > anybody who works on electronics, including sonar technicians "ping > jockeys" and fire controlmen. Snipes will even refer to Operations > Specialists (aka "scope dopes") as twidgets, but the term is > correctly only applied to people who fix electronics, not the guys > who break them. > > Peter H. Granzeau replied: > >> The general term for sailors in engineering was, at the time I was >> in >> the USN, "snipe". > > The terms most commonly used for Hospital Corpsmen (for those of you > who don't recognise the term, that's the Navy/Marine Corps equivalent > of a medic) besides "Doc" are more than a bit off color, and I won't > repeat them here. > >>"Squid" is >> used by jarheads, grunts, and flyboys, not by naval personnel. I'm > > Plenty of squids use the term "squid" - I know I do from time to > time, as do many of my friends. When I say "grunt" I typically mean > any infantryman, including the jarheads, and I use "dogface" when I'm > talking to my Army brethren. Air Farce personnel are often referred > to as "wing wipers" as well. > >> trying to remember the term used for surface navy by the >> bubbleheads, > > Skimmer, or skimmer-puke, depending how unfriendly they want to be. > And they refer naval vessels in two ways: boats (which is what they > call submarines) and targets (known to the rest of the world as > surface ships). > > Regards, > > BOB!! - skimmer puke twidget turned mustang spook > > > > __________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 06:17:47 -0800 (PST) > From: BOB!! > Subject: [LMB] OT: Re: Cool, in fact cold link of the day: Arctic > political campaigns > To: lois-bujold@lists.herald.co.uk > Message-ID: <20051205141747.41250.qmail@web34609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > MegJ wrote: > >> I think Bob was deliberately misconstruing Marna's word usage into >> a joke. >> Bob? > > Indeed, that was the case. I guess it's just too much Canadian > Content (tm) for such an international group. > >> who thought it was funny, anyway > > I'm glad someone did. > > BOB!! > > > > __________________________________________ > Yahoo! DSL - Something to write home about. > Just $16.99/mo. or less. > dsl.yahoo.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:58:43 +0000 > From: Phil Boswell > Subject: Re: [LMB] Re: Wiki at Amazon > To: "Discussion of the works of Lois McMaster Bujold." > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On 29/11/05, Nicholas Rosen wrote: > [snip] >> A friend who had learned about LMB from my website >> (www.cygnus-wnc.com/ndrosen/index.html) just asked >> about reading order. I e-mailed him an answer, but it would >> have been nice to just point him to the answer (he wrote >> to me that a URL would be acceptable). > > Next time around, you could try: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorkosigan_Saga > but there are spoilers. Lois' page is linked from there, and is > relatively spoiler-free. > > There are also: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Curse_of_Chalion > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paladin_of_Souls > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hallowed_Hunt > which frankly need a lot of work (the last one is a total disgrace): > there doesn't seem to be anything which covers the series as a whole. > > HTH HAND > -- > Phil > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:58:42 -0000 > From: "Michael R N Dolbear" > Subject: Re: [LMB] OT: Canadian political system > To: "Discussion of the works of Lois McMaster Bujold." > > Message-ID: <4ju3tt$23ajhq@mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > >> From: Peter H. Granzeau > Date: 05 December 2005 03:15 > [...] >> Whereas Britain, with one of the original models of a two-chamber >> parliament, has emasculated the House of Lords to the point it can do >> nothing whatever to "money bills", cannot amend anything, and is >> limited to delaying other bills for 12 months. > > Wrong, the H of L amends bills all the time and indeed the government > often > relies on this to clean up what the House of Commons did. > > The most public recent example was the Hunting with Hounds Bill where the > H > of C refused to agree to the Lords amendments and so the rare Parliament > Act 1911 & 1948 procedure with the 12 month delay was resorted to. > > The H of L can also stop any new or altered statutory regulations, you > probably forgot about this because Congress has no such power. > > Little Egret > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:25:26 -0000 > From: "Michael R N Dolbear" > Subject: Re: [LMB] OT: Canadian political system > To: "Discussion of the works of Lois McMaster Bujold." > > Message-ID: <4ju2f5$273feo@mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > >> From: I >> Date: 05 December 2005 06:06 > [House of Lords] >> >to delaying other bills for 12 months. > >> Much of these reforms where partly due to the Australian difficulties in >> 1975. For those interested search for "dismissal" "November 11 >> 1975" and "constitutional crisis" Australia to find more data than > you >> probably need. > > I know what you ought to mean, but the above reads like 'backward > causation' since the changes to the UK Constitution were made after the > Commonwealth of Australia was formed but long before 1975 - in fact in > 1911 > & 1949. > > Note also that the Australians have not amended their constitution in the > light of the events of 1975, even the proposed 'Republic' amendment didn't > deal with the issue. > > Little Egret the Brit > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 11:45:15 -0500 > From: "Peter H. Granzeau" > Subject: Re: [LMB] OT: Canadian political system > To: "Discussion of the works of Lois McMaster Bujold." > > Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20051205111459.02561d08@cox.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > At 01:06 AM 12/5/2005, I wrote: >>At 02:15 PM 5/12/2005, Peter H. Granzeau wrote: >> >>>Whereas Britain, with one of the original models of a two-chamber >>>parliament, has emasculated the House of Lords to the point it can >>>do nothing whatever to "money bills", cannot amend anything, and is >>>limited to delaying other bills for 12 months. > >>Much of these reforms where partly due to the Australian >>difficulties in 1975. For those interested search for "dismissal" >>"November 11 1975" and "constitutional crisis" Australia to find >>more data than you probably need. > > I thought the British constitutional changes went back further than that? > > Checking the Britannica, the Parliament Act of 1911 made all "money > bills" become law one month after passage by Commons, whether the > Lords had approved them or not, and provided that all other bills > become law if passed by Commons in two successive Parliamentary > sessions and at least two years had passed between the second reading > in the first session and its third reading in the second > session--this was reduced to one year in 1949. > > Since 1999, only 92 of the 750 hereditary peers may sit in the House > of Lords, together with the life peers, the Lords Spiritual (the 26 > bishops of the Church of England) and the Law Lords (who sit as the > highest court of appeals in Britain (except for Scottish criminal > cases). The 92 hereditary peers are only a temporary measure (it > says here); the Labour party is committed to the eventual abolishment > of the House of Lords altogether. > > The Australian "constitutional crisis" could happen in America, quite > easily. If one House of Congress refuses to pass a budget or money > bill, in the US nothing can be done about it. In Australia, at > least, the GG had the power to order new elections, over the > objection of the PM (which is what made it a crisis, to start > with). Nothing on Earth could order new elections in the US. > > Regards, Pete > pgranzeau@cox.net > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 04:14:47 +1100 > From: I > Subject: Re: [LMB] OT: Canadian political system > To: "Discussion of the works of Lois McMaster Bujold." > > Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20051206035820.03cc8a00@mail.gothic.net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; > x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5A747815 > > At 03:45 AM 6/12/2005, Peter H. Granzeau wrote: > >>At 01:06 AM 12/5/2005, I wrote: >>>At 02:15 PM 5/12/2005, Peter H. Granzeau wrote: >>> >>>>Whereas Britain, with one of the original models of a two-chamber >>>>parliament, has emasculated the House of Lords to the point it can do >>>>nothing whatever to "money bills", cannot amend anything, and is limited >>>>to delaying other bills for 12 months. >> >>>Much of these reforms where partly due to the Australian difficulties in >>>1975. For those interested search for "dismissal" "November 11 >>>1975" and "constitutional crisis" Australia to find more data than >>>you probably need. >> >>I thought the British constitutional changes went back further than that? >> >>Since 1999, only 92 of the 750 hereditary peers may sit in the House of >>Lords, together with the life peers, the Lords Spiritual (the 26 bishops >>of the Church of England) and the Law Lords (who sit as the highest court >>of appeals in Britain (except for Scottish criminal cases). The 92 >>hereditary peers are only a temporary measure (it says here); the Labour >>party is committed to the eventual abolishment of the House of Lords >>altogether. > My error of expression and my very poor editing. The Australian system is > rather complicated, with different states having separate constitutions > and > much of the changes needed to effect such change not needing to pass a > referendum. For example, the upper house in Queensland voted itself out > existence in 1922? or thereabouts, the Upper house in NSW has removed its > power to block budgets, and the Victorian upper house is undergoing change > at this time (at least in theory). The British reforms that were in a > small > way effected by Australian happenings were the reductions involved in the > 1999 House of Lords Bill, particularly informing the breakdown between > partisan and cross bench members. > > An interesting "outsiders view" can be found at > http://www.psa.ac.uk/publications/psd/1998/ward2.htm > > It must be noted that the "Republican referendum" that was unsuccessful > was > only a choice between maintaining status-quo or adopting a very specific > form of Republic, with a President appointed by the Government. > > Iestyn > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.11/191 - Release Date: 2/12/2005 > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 19:06:53 -0500 > From: Jessy Brody > Subject: [LMB] OT: Request for Book Rec: Quantum Computing in Fiction > To: lois-bujold@lists.herald.co.uk > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I'm going to briefly delurk to ask if any of youse guys know of any > book in which quantum computing has rendered present encryption > methods useless, and which shows how society adjusted; this came up in > my Computer Science class (which I'd like quite a lot, if I weren't > tested on the material), and my discussion group postulated that, > among other effects though this one being one of the more interesting, > instead of one big internet, there would be smaller ones, like school > intranets, whose members would be previously known and trusted ... > > Though now I remember that that's a lot like in _Idoru_ by William > Gibson, in which a killfile is turned inside out, though not for the > same reasons ... > > And in regards to the ethics of anthropology thing, I will get back to > you guys (and esp Marna) on that, but I have more papers than I'd care > to count which need writing in the next two weeks ... > > Ellipses, that's what it's all about. > > JLB > -- > Welcome to Triage -Kurt Vonnegut > He was never noisy and lacked the dogmatism of the insecure -written > of George Orwell > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:04:54 -0800 (PST) > From: Harrison Carter > Subject: [LMB] OT: Re: definition, please! (naval slang) > To: lois-bujold@lists.herald.co.uk > Message-ID: <20051206060454.88422.qmail@web80904.mail.scd.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > M Traber wrote: >> black gang [very archaic for engineman, >> refers to shoveling coal into the old >> style boilers] > > While that is the archaic origin, a friend > formerly in the merchant marine assured me > that it is still in use, and considering > the less-than-spotless nature of most > diesel-fired boiler rooms in ships, quite > apropos. > > > And Peter H. Granzeau followed with: >> I'm trying to remember the term used for >> surface navy by the bubbleheads, but >> can't. > > "Targets." > > (Or did you not intend the setup?) > > cheers. > > - Harrison > > > > > __________________________________________ > Yahoo! DSL - Something to write home about. > Just $16.99/mo. or less. > dsl.yahoo.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 02:00:06 -0500 > From: Cally Perry > Subject: Re: [LMB] OT: Cumin (was I know where my bowls are) > To: "Discussion of the works of Lois McMaster Bujold." > > Message-ID: > <26a857020512052300n521b6bbfm6bb311e0514be263@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Cilantro is new in general usage in American English for coriander > leaf. Persons generally ignorant of culinary matters picked it up > from menus in Mexican restaurants and either didn't know that there > was already an English word for it or didn't recognize it. Cookbooks > and menus in cuisines with a history of speaking English, Indian, for > example, still refer to coriander leaf or fresh coriander as they > always have, but I expect htey'll be changing soon. > > A similar thing has happened to rocket, which is suddenly called arugula. > > The seed packets for both have changed within the last five years. > > Cally > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:27:47 GMT > From: "Kirsten Edwards" > Subject: [LMB] Re: AKICIF: Lost Book OT: > To: lois-bujold@lists.herald.co.uk > Message-ID: <20051206.002829.8820.59799@webmail39.lax.untd.com> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Countryboy tagged it (THE TAKING by Dean > Koontz) and the patron confirmed it. > > Huzzah for the (memory of) a countryboy > (and to ramble in the new-mown, er, new- > Hmmm.. > down memory lane? > > Thanks! > > Kirsten > (http://www.informatik.uni-hamburg.de/~zierke/watersons/songs/countrylife.html) > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! > Unlimited Internet Access with 250MB of Email Storage. > Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! > > > > > ------------------------------ > > -- > Lois-Bujold mailing list > Lois-Bujold@lists.herald.co.uk > http://lists.herald.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lois-bujold > > > End of Lois-Bujold Digest, Vol 7, Issue 11 > ****************************************** From CatMtn at aol.com Tue Dec 6 19:10:45 2005 From: CatMtn at aol.com (CatMtn@aol.com) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] As my Lady commands: Crosspost on quotes from Baen's Bar Message-ID: <20c.f1cc405.30c73c35@aol.com> A line to start with: "All true wealth is biological." Mary From CatMtn at aol.com Tue Dec 6 19:15:40 2005 From: CatMtn at aol.com (CatMtn@aol.com) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Re: definition, please! (naval slang) Message-ID: <1f3.178c7b8b.30c73d5c@aol.com> My Navy helo pilot friend once mentioned that "shoes" (which I think expands to "black shoes") are the ship people, as opposed to the flying people (who may be the "brown shoes"). But I am not sure that memory serves here. Anyone? M: Um--I remember it as being the other way around. But as I said, I'm not sure. Mary, sitting here trying unsuccessfully to remember what color shoes my husband had on when I met him in 1967 (Naval air navigator on a reserve cruise) From dwl at panix.com Tue Dec 6 19:47:51 2005 From: dwl at panix.com (David W. Levine) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Re: definition, please! (naval slang) In-Reply-To: <1f3.178c7b8b.30c73d5c@aol.com> References: <1f3.178c7b8b.30c73d5c@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20051206144731.042488a0@mail.panix.com> At 02:15 PM 12/6/2005, you wrote: >My Navy helo pilot friend once mentioned that "shoes" (which I think expands >to "black shoes") are the ship people, as opposed to the flying people (who >may be the "brown shoes"). But I am not sure that memory serves here. >Anyone? > >M: > >Um--I remember it as being the other way around. But as I said, I'm not >sure. > >Mary, sitting here trying unsuccessfully to remember what color shoes my >husband had on when I met him in 1967 (Naval air navigator on a >reserve cruise) >-- >Lois-Bujold mailing list >Lois-Bujold@lists.herald.co.uk >http://lists.herald.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lois-bujold Aviators were brown shoe: http://www.cv6.org/1933/1933.htm (Search on brown shoe within) From CatMtn at aol.com Tue Dec 6 19:58:03 2005 From: CatMtn at aol.com (CatMtn@aol.com) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Re: definition, please! (naval slang) Message-ID: <275.1955919.30c7474b@aol.com> In a message dated 12/6/2005 2:48:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dwl@panix.com writes: >Mary, sitting here trying unsuccessfully to remember what color shoes my >husband had on when I met him in 1967 (Naval air navigator on a >reserve cruise) >-- >Lois-Bujold mailing list >Lois-Bujold@lists.herald.co.uk >http://lists.herald.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lois-bujold Aviators were brown shoe: M: Thanks. I couldn't remember what color shoes Joe wore when he was going to reserves. Not that I had any real reason to! Mary From pgranzeau at cox.net Tue Dec 6 19:41:33 2005 From: pgranzeau at cox.net (Peter H. Granzeau) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Re: definition, please! (naval slang) In-Reply-To: <20051206060454.88422.qmail@web80904.mail.scd.yahoo.com> References: <200512050400.jB540cBF005515@lists.herald.co.uk> <20051206060454.88422.qmail@web80904.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20051206141148.02569048@cox.net> At 01:04 AM 12/6/2005, Harrison Carter wrote: >M Traber wrote: > > black gang [very archaic for engineman, > > refers to shoveling coal into the old > > style boilers] > >While that is the archaic origin, a friend >formerly in the merchant marine assured me >that it is still in use, and considering >the less-than-spotless nature of most >diesel-fired boiler rooms in ships, quite >apropos. > >And Peter H. Granzeau followed with: > > I'm trying to remember the term used for > > surface navy by the bubbleheads, but > > can't. > >"Targets." > >(Or did you not intend the setup?) No, I thought of it, but "target" is a synonym for "surface ship", not just "surface navy". Someone else provided "skimmer", which is the word I couldn't think of. (BTW, I understand that one of the missions for subs nowadays is to accompany carrier battle groups and act as first line of defense against hostile subs and surface craft, so at least SOME of the surface navy counts as "us", not "them".) -- Regards, Pete pgranzeau@cox.net From pgranzeau at cox.net Tue Dec 6 19:49:41 2005 From: pgranzeau at cox.net (Peter H. Granzeau) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Re: definition, please! (naval slang) In-Reply-To: <12e.6bf9c36c.30c72dfd@aol.com> References: <12e.6bf9c36c.30c72dfd@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20051206144159.0254c8f0@cox.net> At 01:10 PM 12/6/2005, CatMtn@aol.com wrote: >I remember hearing the terms "blackshoe navy" and "brownshoe navy," And I >think it had something to do with separating two branches of the >service, but >don't remember exactly what they meant. Anyone? Aviation branch officers of the USN have a uniform called "winter working green", which looks a lot like a Marine's uniform (single breasted coat, tan shirt, etc.), with which brown shoes were originally the only shoe worn (I think black shoes are now OK with it). Surface officers, of course, didn't wear anything like it, and the only color of shoes they wore in winter were black, to go with the navy blue dress uniform. Hence the "brown shoe/black shoe" differentiation. -- Regards, Pete pgranzeau@cox.net From pgranzeau at cox.net Tue Dec 6 19:57:08 2005 From: pgranzeau at cox.net (Peter H. Granzeau) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Request for Book Rec: Quantum Computing in Fiction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20051206145237.02587560@cox.net> At 07:06 PM 12/5/2005, Jessy Brody wrote: >I'm going to briefly delurk to ask if any of youse guys know of any >book in which quantum computing has rendered present encryption >methods useless, and which shows how society adjusted; this came up in >my Computer Science class (which I'd like quite a lot, if I weren't >tested on the material), and my discussion group postulated that, >among other effects though this one being one of the more interesting, >instead of one big internet, there would be smaller ones, like school >intranets, whose members would be previously known and trusted ... There is always the "one time pad" method of encryption, which is essentially unbreakable absent a copy of the pad, given a truly random source for the pad. I leave the provision of a true randomizer for the theorists (as I remember, Douglas Adams suggested the molecular motions inside a nice hot cuppa tea for randomization). -- Regards, Pete pgranzeau@cox.net From mtraber251 at earthlink.net Tue Dec 6 20:39:24 2005 From: mtraber251 at earthlink.net (M Traber) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Re: definition, please! (naval slang) In-Reply-To: <1f3.178c7b8b.30c73d5c@aol.com> References: <1f3.178c7b8b.30c73d5c@aol.com> Message-ID: <4395F6FC.5090005@earthlink.net> submariner, enlisted scum, black shoes. From CatMtn at aol.com Tue Dec 6 21:58:01 2005 From: CatMtn at aol.com (CatMtn@aol.com) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Re: definition, please! (naval slang) Message-ID: <219.e8fa94a.30c76369@aol.com> In a message dated 12/6/2005 3:18:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, pgranzeau@cox.net writes: Aviation branch officers of the USN have a uniform called "winter working green", which looks a lot like a Marine's uniform (single breasted coat, tan shirt, etc.), with which brown shoes were originally the only shoe worn (I think black shoes are now OK with it). Surface officers, of course, didn't wear anything like it, and the only color of shoes they wore in winter were black, to go with the navy blue dress uniform. Hence the "brown shoe/black shoe" differentiation M: Were black shoes or white shoes worn with the summer non-dress whites? Mary From yadler at thejnet.com Wed Dec 7 02:31:14 2005 From: yadler at thejnet.com (yadler@thejnet.com) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: calling all librarians References: <7C952CC727B6A94BA342634037F1F93505799CC4@bplwired2><018501c5f5ed$e3476b50$17c13442@meg><002301c5f907$40c35e80$805b80d8@DCLN9521> <01f301c5f916$d91c3b70$62c13442@meg> Message-ID: <003701c5fad6$4bad6f90$ae5b80d8@DCLN9521> > quoting myself: >> It did, however, spawn one of the funniest fanfics I've ever read (which >> is on the dendarii.com website). > > It's in the "inspired by" section. > > Megaera > > > -- aah, ok, now i found it. looked in a different section before *reads* whee, a genuine cloak and dagger society! when the librarians hold all the information, they get to be pretty valuable people, huh? ziviya, glad for a freely circulating library -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.11/191 - Release Date: 12/2/2005 From wawenri at msn.com Wed Dec 7 03:51:58 2005 From: wawenri at msn.com (WILLIAM A WENRICH) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Re: definition, please! (naval slang) References: <200512061910.jB6J9uBv019280@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: Mary wrote: <> IIRC Brown shoes were worn by aviators and black by the rest of the navy. It was mentioned in a story I read recently. Spruance was a "black shoe" in command of "brown shoe" carriers. Bill Wenrich "...a hard heart is no infallible protection against a soft head." -C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man From CatMtn at aol.com Wed Dec 7 03:58:01 2005 From: CatMtn at aol.com (CatMtn@aol.com) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Re: definition, please! (naval slang) Message-ID: <278.1796f93.30c7b7c9@aol.com> Yes, I recall now the disparaging remarks about his older brother being in the Navy, "But just blackshoe." Mary From pgranzeau at cox.net Wed Dec 7 04:39:05 2005 From: pgranzeau at cox.net (Peter H. Granzeau) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Re: definition, please! (naval slang) In-Reply-To: <219.e8fa94a.30c76369@aol.com> References: <219.e8fa94a.30c76369@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20051206233225.02563320@cox.net> At 04:58 PM 12/6/2005, CatMtn@aol.com wrote: > >In a message dated 12/6/2005 3:18:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >pgranzeau@cox.net writes: > > >Aviation branch officers of the USN have a uniform called "winter > >working green", which looks a lot like a Marine's uniform (single > >breasted coat, tan shirt, etc.), with which brown shoes were > >originally the only shoe worn (I think black shoes are now OK with > >it). Surface officers, of course, didn't wear anything like it, and > >the only color of shoes they wore in winter were black, to go with > >the navy blue dress uniform. > > >Hence the "brown shoe/black shoe" differentiation > >Were black shoes or white shoes worn with the summer non-dress whites? At the time I was in the USN, officers and Chiefs wore white shoes with the white uniforms; sailors wore black shoes at all time. At that time, during the summer, sometimes officers wore white, but more often they wore khaki, and at that time, brown shoes were required with khaki (not so any longer). -- Regards, Pete pgranzeau@cox.net From c_muir68 at hotmail.com Wed Dec 7 13:53:41 2005 From: c_muir68 at hotmail.com (catherine muir) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] typo hunt Message-ID: in case my last message didn't get through (my server has been blocking me from the list). one typo: page 410, line 20; for "woods" read "wood". Alternatively, delete the word "a" on the previous line. From CatMtn at aol.com Wed Dec 7 14:41:10 2005 From: CatMtn at aol.com (CatMtn@aol.com) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Re: definition, please! (naval slang) Message-ID: <1d6.4a6de163.30c84e86@aol.com> In a message dated 12/6/2005 11:46:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, pgranzeau@cox.net writes: At the time I was in the USN, officers and Chiefs wore white shoes with the white uniforms; sailors wore black shoes at all time. M: Well, I guess that explains why I couldn't remember if his shoes were black or brown . Not that the fact that it was nearly 40 years ago had anything to do with it. Mary From bhrperry at comcast.net Wed Dec 7 19:20:16 2005 From: bhrperry at comcast.net (Bruce Perry) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: looking for Thud game review Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20051207140019.01ee1c08@mail.comcast.net> I've read Pratchett's latest book, Thud, and enjoyed it. Imagine my surprise to find that the game the book is named after now exists. I'm intrigued, but I'd like to be sure that the game is good before buying it. It seems to be available only in the UK at present, so buying and shipping it are more expensive than I'd like for an unknown quantity. Google hasn't been helpful in locating a review, and Ebay seems to find only sellers in the UK. Has anyone played it, seen an online review, or know of a North American seller of the game? O List, possessor of esoteric truth, help me in my hour of unsatisfied curiousity. Bruce From jbcroft at ou.edu Wed Dec 7 19:25:49 2005 From: jbcroft at ou.edu (Croft, Janet B.) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: looking for Thud game review Message-ID: <616885FB42966548B07F9EBADA59E14205A4893C@XMAIL.sooner.net.ou.edu> http://www.discworldmonthly.co.uk/dwm0103.php#S_5 >From Discworld Monthly, source of much Pratchetty goodness. You can sign up to have it sent to your email each month. Janet -----Original Message----- From: lois-bujold-bounces@lists.herald.co.uk [mailto:lois-bujold-bounces@lists.herald.co.uk] On Behalf Of Bruce Perry Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 1:20 PM To: lois-bujold@lists.herald.co.uk Subject: [LMB] OT: looking for Thud game review I've read Pratchett's latest book, Thud, and enjoyed it. Imagine my surprise to find that the game the book is named after now exists. I'm intrigued, but I'd like to be sure that the game is good before buying it. It seems to be available only in the UK at present, so buying and shipping it are more expensive than I'd like for an unknown quantity. Google hasn't been helpful in locating a review, and Ebay seems to find only sellers in the UK. Has anyone played it, seen an online review, or know of a North American seller of the game? O List, possessor of esoteric truth, help me in my hour of unsatisfied curiousity. Bruce -- Lois-Bujold mailing list Lois-Bujold@lists.herald.co.uk http://lists.herald.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lois-bujold From lbujold at myinfmail.com Wed Dec 7 22:53:55 2005 From: lbujold at myinfmail.com (Lois McMaster Bujold) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] (news) first pub date in view Message-ID: <43976803.4060908@myinfmail.com> Hiya -- It looks like the publication date for _THE SHARING KNIFE, Vol. 1 : Beguilement_ will be October, 2006. I don't have a date yet for the second volume. There may be a modest book tour, concentrating on the upper Midwest, this time; it will be some months before I have confirmed details. Ta, L. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/6/2005 From ginni.berger at juno.com Wed Dec 7 23:12:21 2005 From: ginni.berger at juno.com (Ginnilee) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] (news) first pub date in view Message-ID: <20051207.151228.29212.64570@webmail59.nyc.untd.com> -- Lois McMaster Bujold wrote: Hiya -- It looks like the publication date for _THE SHARING KNIFE, Vol. 1 : Beguilement_ will be October, 2006. I don't have a date yet for the second volume. There may be a modest book tour, concentrating on the upper Midwest, this time; it will be some months before I have confirmed details. Ta, L. Yeeha! I'll start working on my customers at the store even harder now. This last Saturday, I managed to get 3 customers and 1 co-worker to buy LMB novels. Not that I'm actively recruiting, or anything. Nuh-uh. My sig line says it all. Only problem is that we're running low on LMB books now. And POS is the top book on the Baen endcap I created last week since it was unassigned and needed a change. The co-worker was telling me yesterday that his girlfriend was reading ACC, and kept saying it was terrible, it wasn't a comedy, but she was laughing the entire time she was telling Eric all about it. I think she's hooked. Now all I have to do is direct her here. And, if you ever happen to be in Boston again, my store manager would be thrilled if you stopped in and autographed some books unofficially. John Ringo will be in town on the 17th, and he's going to stop by the store on his way up to NH and sign some books- Paul (boss) is really excited about my knowing sf/fantasy authors, and hoping I can lure them in once in a while. Ginnilee Lady Lavender of Teal I'm Dear, Sweet & Innocent- just ask my cats! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/6/2005 -- Lois-Bujold mailing list Lois-Bujold@lists.herald.co.uk http://lists.herald.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lois-bujold From adkinslawfirm at mindspring.com Thu Dec 8 03:36:24 2005 From: adkinslawfirm at mindspring.com (Marty L. Adkins) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: After Saturday's dinner & housefilk Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20051207223527.01cafef8@pop.mindspring.com> When we got to singing some actual seasonal selections [of a humorous bent], I mentioned Andy Eigel's classic "Donner Party" [aka, "The Night They Brought Old Rudolph Down"]. Marty had the idea for one of his instafilks, to the tune of "Garden Party": I went to the Donner Party / To dine on my old friends." Just 'cause he's evil like that. :) Jerrie From iosef at gothic.net.au Thu Dec 8 04:37:47 2005 From: iosef at gothic.net.au (iosef@gothic.net.au) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:50 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: looking for Thud game review In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20051207140019.01ee1c08@mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 8, 2005, Bruce Perry said: > I've read Pratchett's latest book, Thud, and enjoyed it. Imagine my > surprise to find that the game the book is named after now exists. I'm > intrigued, but I'd like to be sure that the game is good before buying > it. It seems to be available only in the UK at present, so buying and > shipping it are more expensive than I'd like for an unknown quantity. > It has been available in Australia for over a year. I have a copy, and find it a good variant on Hantafl (Sp?)/Kings Table, with very nice resin pieces. Board is aprox 16"*16" and there are 32 1" Dwarves, 8 aprox 2 1/2" Trolls and 1 Rune stone. You also get a rule book with an intro by Pterry and a pad of score sheets. Resonably fun with clean, easy to learn rules. Iestyn From adkinslawfirm at mindspring.com Thu Dec 8 05:07:20 2005 From: adkinslawfirm at mindspring.com (Marty L. Adkins) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Theme: Beasts That Fly, Slither, or Hop OT: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20051208000527.01c98940@pop.mindspring.com> The next few posts are from the LiveJournal community balladeers. I've gotten enormously behind; my apologies for getting caught up on the last few themes, but these goodies are just too good to not share. Enjoy! Jerrie Pop - Jack Blanchard & Misty Morgan - Tennessee Bird Walk http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=067C0XM5VEENW2SA3QZ7U2DDXP on the album "Birds of a Feather", among other places. Christine Lavin--Absolutely Live 04 Amoeba Hop http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=15OAI0O9EXD2A1Y67YM4583S8A note: also on the album "Beau Woes". Christine Lavin--One Wild Night in Concert 17 Great Big Bug http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1ZB5ONWGHWP3Z2TD7LWC9XF24R GaFilk 2000 2-13 Michael Liebman--Hot Frogs [Fred Small] http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3IR0X9LXYD4KX1ACPYZ3PXL849 "Hot Frogs" is on the Fred Small album "Everything Possible". Heather Alexander--Midsummer 01 The Hunt Is On http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3AGLAIGPPFD060PIRV030B87RK Howie Harrison--Songs From Lacy's Kitchen 10 The Reincarnation Song http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=18PLRFDUWFYXX1S84PYBOW7QB8 From adkinslawfirm at mindspring.com Thu Dec 8 05:18:30 2005 From: adkinslawfirm at mindspring.com (Marty L. Adkins) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Theme: Love Lost or Regained OT: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20051208001400.01c43ce8@pop.mindspring.com> More goodies; enjoy! Jerrie Annwn--Anarchy & Rapture 03 She Moved Through the Fair http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2B0Q528GOASVU2JGHZOEY15ITD Chieftains--Irish Heartbeat 05 She Moved Through The Fair http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=34VJ1YZNQ9SFP3HRHAEEH6ZRVC Lost Boys--Bedlam 09 She Moved Through the Fair http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0436270FNXSKT18EOEJRFC05KT Jim Croce--50th Anniversary Collection 1-21 Operator (That's Not the Way It Feels) http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=37XU93FP26XAQ2ULYT15CESYYW Jim Croce--50th Anniversary Collection 2-08 Alabama Rain http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1PQQ25MX8IB8813OMOQDN4S3T5 Adam Selzer--Suburban Post-Modernist 2-03 Polly Vaughn (Jan 03 with trumpet) http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=19WNNEFNPSG1P1D32UZ1CEYD0N From adkinslawfirm at mindspring.com Thu Dec 8 05:20:37 2005 From: adkinslawfirm at mindspring.com (Marty L. Adkins) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Theme: Strange Fellows OT: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20051208001859.01c98940@pop.mindspring.com> Herewith lots of fun variations: Three Quarter Ale 13 Crazy Man Michael http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1407E3C7AVGEW32WP3WPPKKS80 Fencon 2004 4-14 Mary Miller--Crazy Man Michael http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2QA8TIXXAJ2UF04DTE68AHU0OS Erica Neely--Not Everybody Dies 12 Heretic http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0CHHR4DX8HPIL0S5XO22JZUN7K Flash Girls--Return of Pansy Smith & Violet Jones 02 Riding the Flame - Little Beggarman http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=26LML68OW4C6B21VAEX6BX728K Susan Hickey & Sandra Sparks--Ramble in the Grass 03 Beggar Man http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=09ZDIK3CH3DUY1UNQLLTC9BPOO Bret Blackshear--Fingers, Frets, & Fire 05 Little Beggarman http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1M2FB956NFHEH380N4Q88RMBVL Cherish the Ladies--Girls Won't Leave the Boys Alone 12 The Jolly Beggarman http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3FALH64RBE85F21CK2MXEP16PN The Porch Climbers--Squeeze Me Beat Me Love Me 02 Barley Mow & Jolly Beggar Man http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=36V9QIGL8OPSN13Z66HWNLBF26 Fiddler's Green - Little Beggarman http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=244FDZNJOC6I22VR0HWMHD12B9 Gaelic Storm - Beggarman http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2PMZQSVH2T4LE1GORH0DBQJW1X From the album "Tree." Steven Brust--A Rose for Iconoclastes 12 Little Beggarman http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1UZN6LQ2KE3I722TEBYHDACV6X Maddy Prior--Hang Up Sorrow And Care 04 The Jovial Beggar http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=20ALVQMJ7MRO522HUYD3F7LRC8 Heather Alexander--A Gypsy's Home 01 Gypsy Bardic Tinker People http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2WXKU28L11XSQ1OP5VLDZ1PRP7 Heather Alexander--A Gypsy's Home 14 A Gypsy's Home http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3I49E2SETUAJW2IR2UR2Y267DF --Jerrie From adkinslawfirm at mindspring.com Thu Dec 8 05:25:56 2005 From: adkinslawfirm at mindspring.com (Marty L. Adkins) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] answer to a listie's question OT: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20051207215612.01cd1480@pop.mindspring.com> Susan from Bellingham asked me about a costuming filk over on LJ; y'all might as well get the good out of it too. :) Jerrie Harlequinery--1988 WorldCon 07 Brenda Sutton--Costumer's Lament http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3EZA014P64KGX2NYEYL2QEB1HJ From tlambs1138 at charter.net Thu Dec 8 05:33:02 2005 From: tlambs1138 at charter.net (Jean Lamb) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Adjutant Birthday Tixie, come on down! Message-ID: <002b01c5fbb8$dc5a0b10$6dedbe42@Samantha> To quote Ogden Nash on germs: "Adam Had'm." But _we've_ got _Adam_. Adam Ek, that is, whose birthday is the 8th. (Adjutant Birthday Tixies marches forth without Faithful Companion, who is snoozing/faithfully guarding the house/watching the walls go by, your pick). May the light shine about you, may you glory in what the next year brings you, and may you have the job and the companionship that you most want. (Faithful Companion lifts head to see what the fuss is about, notices absence of any opened canned cat food, cheese, or fried chicken, and goes back to sleep). Adam, you're a valued part of this list, even though you are one of the quieter people who pick up the pieces after all the dancing on tables and slinging about champagne and whatnot are done. Hey, someone's got to do it. Thank you. Jean Lamb, tlambs1138@charter.net "Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for you are crunchy and good with lemon drops." From tora.smulders at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 09:46:55 2005 From: tora.smulders at gmail.com (Tora K. Smulders-Srinivasan) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] (news) first pub date in view In-Reply-To: <43976803.4060908@myinfmail.com> References: <43976803.4060908@myinfmail.com> Message-ID: <4afcc1280512080146y674580acl3a82d4905f24d803@mail.gmail.com> On 12/7/05, Lois McMaster Bujold wrote: > It looks like the publication date for _THE SHARING KNIFE, Vol. 1 : > Beguilement_ will be October, 2006. Yay Publication DATE!!! A birthday present for me for sure!! :-) Boooooo.... it's so long from now! :-( I really can't wait to read it though! Surprise, surprise! Oh and it's named Beguilement? What about the other half, decided as well? Congrats! Tora From phil.boswell at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 10:36:26 2005 From: phil.boswell at gmail.com (Phil Boswell) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: looking for Thud game review In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20051207140019.01ee1c08@mail.comcast.net> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20051207140019.01ee1c08@mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: On 07/12/05, Bruce Perry wrote: > I've read Pratchett's latest book, Thud, and enjoyed it. Imagine my > surprise to find that the game the book is named after now exists... Also, were you aware that you can buy "Where's My Cow?" which appears to be subtly different from the Discworld version, but in an utterly charming way :-) http://www.discworldmonthly.co.uk/tpbooks.php?TITLE=Where's%20My%20Cow? HTH HAND -- Phil From jwreynold at earthlink.net Thu Dec 8 13:01:40 2005 From: jwreynold at earthlink.net (James Reynolds) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] LMB] OT: looking for Thud game review In-Reply-To: <200512081037.jB8AbDCk023682@lists.herald.co.uk> References: <200512081037.jB8AbDCk023682@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: ***** And here is the game's website - http://www.thudgame.com/ From Bruce Perry - > I've read Pratchett's latest book, Thud, and enjoyed it. Imagine my > surprise to find that the game the book is named after now exists. I'm > intrigued, but I'd like to be sure that the game is good before buying > it. It seems to be available only in the UK at present, so buying and > shipping it are more expensive than I'd like for an unknown quantity. > > Google hasn't been helpful in locating a review, and Ebay seems to find > only sellers in the UK. Has anyone played it, seen an online review, > or > know of a North American seller of the game? ***** Jim Reynolds "What this country needs is a good five-dollar plasma weapon." From bobug at yahoo.com Thu Dec 8 14:27:17 2005 From: bobug at yahoo.com (The Sundance Kid) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Sharing Knife release / Book Tour In-Reply-To: <200512081037.jB8AbDCl023682@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <20051208142717.28251.qmail@web52006.mail.yahoo.com> LMB Wrote: There may be a modest book tour, concentrating on the > upper Midwest, this time; it will be some months before I have > confirmed > details. HMM: Any way the "upper Midwest" might include Albuquerque? It'd be a lovely housewarming gift, birthday present (hey, it may be in July, but I can wait), and I KNOW that Albuquerque is good for nerves, upset stomach, coughs, colds, jaundice, um... umm... as a hair tonic! Heather Just mildly begging, honest. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From lbujold at myinfmail.com Thu Dec 8 15:13:52 2005 From: lbujold at myinfmail.com (Lois McMaster Bujold) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Sharing Knife release / Book Tour Message-ID: <43984DB0.5050806@myinfmail.com> To answer another question first, the subtitle of the second volume of _The Sharing Knife_ will be _Legacy_. Publication late spring or summer '07, I'm guessing. It was kind of a coin-toss between that and _Heritage_, but I think _Legacy_ falls a bit closer to the theme of the knife. Anyway, going on... *The Sundance Kid* bobug at yahoo.com /Thu Dec 8 14:27:17 GMT 2005/ * [ author ] ------------------------- LMB Wrote: There may be a modest book tour, concentrating on the > / upper Midwest, this time; it will be some months before I have />/ confirmed > details. / HMM: Any way the "upper Midwest" might include Albuquerque? It'd be a lovely housewarming gift, birthday present (hey, it may be in July, but I can wait), and I KNOW that Albuquerque is good for nerves, upset stomach, coughs, colds, jaundice, um... umm... as a hair tonic! Heather Just mildly begging, honest. I'm not real clear myself on how bookstores are selected for author appearances. But I believe the store must ask the HarperCollins publicity department well in advance, to make arrangements. (In other words, first contact comes from the store, unless it's one they hit regularly.) HC, not unnaturally, prefers to spend their budget placing their authors in stores that report to the major bestseller lists. In addition, the site and time must fit rationally travel-wise with the other venues on the tour. HC is devoting a slightly more modest promotional budget to this book, not being the first one out of the gate any more, which is fine by me -- I don't *want* a big book tour. I've come to loath airports, and I spent the most of my last tour incubating flu, which was in full mode at least three days before the end. (Or it might have been West Nile Virus. Summer flu in the Midwest, hard to tell these days. Pick your paranoia.) So yeah, Albuquerque is likely a bit out of range. It's good that I'm hitting a different area than the past tours, though. The more modest promotion does mean that pre-orders are going to be *very* important this round. (But it's still too soon, stand down!) I should have some news on the cover/s in a few weeks. bests, Lois. -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/194 - Release Date: 12/7/2005 From m.dolbear at lineone.net Thu Dec 8 23:26:28 2005 From: m.dolbear at lineone.net (Michael R N Dolbear) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Playtime on Milestogo Message-ID: <4ju61r$1vodv5@mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com> A game of "spot that quotation" is in progress in milestogo on Baens bar Anyone can join in. Little Egret From arcangel at io.com Fri Dec 9 00:00:03 2005 From: arcangel at io.com (Elizabeth McCoy) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] (news) first pub date in view In-Reply-To: <43976803.4060908@myinfmail.com> References: <43976803.4060908@myinfmail.com> Message-ID: At 4:53 PM -0600 12/7/05, Lois McMaster Bujold wrote: > It looks like the publication date for _THE SHARING KNIFE, Vol. 1 : >Beguilement_ will be October, 2006. *squee* I know what I want for my birthday... Well, early birthday. -- --Beth, arcangel@io.com http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ From wks at SysMatriX.Net Fri Dec 9 01:24:26 2005 From: wks at SysMatriX.Net (Bill Stewart) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: looking for Thud game review In-Reply-To: References: <6.0.3.0.2.20051207140019.01ee1c08@mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4398DCCA.7020203@SysMatriX.Net> Phil Boswell said the following on 12/08/2005 05:36 AM: > On 07/12/05, Bruce Perry wrote: > > Also, were you aware that you can buy "Where's My Cow?" which appears > to be subtly different from the Discworld version, but in an utterly > charming way :-) What I REALLY want is the Sam Vimes/watch version. For those who haven't read Thud!, it is referred to in the book. buggerit! Bill, hermit in NH From kevink45 at hotmail.com Fri Dec 9 01:44:26 2005 From: kevink45 at hotmail.com (Kevin Kennedy) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Winter reading Message-ID: Well, now that the weather demons have dumped several inches of snow on the midwest during afternoon rush hour, I'm gonna drive the last quarter mile home(I live almost next door to the library where I use the public computer) and have some chili and read Winterfair Gifts before collapsing into bed. Indianapolis copes so well with snow that it's just taken me 4 hours to drive what normalliy takes 45 minutes. I just needed to claim I survived to someone. (My r*tfink parents left for the beach this afternoon, so I can't vent there) What's on everyone else's nasty weather reading list, after Bujold? Kevin From stratton at oz.net Fri Dec 9 04:16:00 2005 From: stratton at oz.net (Paul Stratton) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Winter reading In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001901c5fc77$44279640$6602a8c0@x2> > What's on everyone else's nasty weather reading list, after Bujold? > Kevin Neil Stephensen's "Snow Crash." :-) Paul From k.m.allis at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 04:45:11 2005 From: k.m.allis at gmail.com (Katrina Allis) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Winter reading In-Reply-To: <001901c5fc77$44279640$6602a8c0@x2> References: <001901c5fc77$44279640$6602a8c0@x2> Message-ID: _Blade of Tyshalle_ by Matthew Woodridge Stover. Sequal to _Heroes Die_, and is about the same group of (insane) future century LARPers... Katrina On 12/9/05, Paul Stratton wrote: > > > What's on everyone else's nasty weather reading list, after Bujold? > > Kevin > > Neil Stephensen's "Snow Crash." > > :-) > > Paul > > > -- > Lois-Bujold mailing list > Lois-Bujold@lists.herald.co.uk > http://lists.herald.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lois-bujold > -- To err is human. To really screw things up requires a computer. Prayer, he suspected as he hoisted himself up and turned for the door, was putting one foot in front of the other. Moving all the same. Lois McMaster Bujold, _Curse of Chalion_ From bellecarolbethling at icmail.net Fri Dec 9 06:26:38 2005 From: bellecarolbethling at icmail.net (bellecarolbethling@icmail.net) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] winter reading Message-ID: <20051209061106.780CFB9F9E@Mars.internetspeech.com> i'm reading brothers mejere by keven stein. part of the dragonlance series. From mike at dendarii.co.uk Fri Dec 9 07:22:59 2005 From: mike at dendarii.co.uk (Michael Bernardi) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Lois McMaster Bujold Mailing List Weekly FAQ FAQ Message-ID: <3063@dendarii.co.uk> Last-Modified: 5 May 2005 Version: 2.0.7 Being a Pointer to where to find Answers to Frequently Asked Questions ====================================================================== This document was compiled by Michael Bernardi, to allow subscribers to the Lois-Bujold mailing list to easily find where the FAQs are. Having this FAQ posted weekly to the list then allows the posting of the OTHER FAQs to be every two months and thus reduce list traffic. Three FAQs have been developed since this list was created in October 1994. The Bio FAQ has been deleted, as all the information previously given here, can be found at "The Bujold Nexus" in the "Author Info" and "Book Info" sections. This document was originally created in December 1998. The FAQs ======== Lois McMaster Bujold Mailing List Administrivia FAQ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.dendarii.com/bujold_admin.html Last Updated: 28 October 2002 Explains how to join and use the Lois-Bujold mailing list, hosted at http://lists.herald.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/lois-bujold Lois McMaster Bujold Mailing List FAQ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.dendarii.com/bujold_lst.html Last updated: 27 September 2003 This document attempts to answer Frequently Asked Questions which occur on the Mailing List about the list itself, including guidelines for off-topic discussions, spoiler discussion, and excessive quoting, and list conventions and in-jokes. Also includes pointers to other mailing lists and to Web sites about Lois McMaster Bujold and her work. Lois McMaster Bujold List PLOT Frequently Asked Questions ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.dendarii.com/bujold_faq.html Last Updated: 05 May 2005 This document attempts to answer Frequently Asked Questions which occur on the Mailing List about Plot lines that occur in the work of Lois McMaster Bujold. This includes answers from Lois herself. The Bujold Nexus: The Lois McMaster Bujold Homepage ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.dendarii.com Last Updated: 05 May 2005 This is the Official site to find information about Lois McMaster Bujold on the Web. Lois has provided some information herself, and other material has come from other fans. The Bujold Nexus Overflow Site ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.dendarii.co.uk/Bujold.html Last Updated: 25 September 2004 This contains all the stuff that isn't really appropriate at the main site. ie fan fiction, fan art, photos, and filk. Please send details of any material such material to the address indicated. Note I am not responsible for the mail server hardware OR software. Both these are under the control of Mel Harper . Any feedback on this post cheerfully received by Michael Bernardi . -- Michael Bernardi mike_at_dendarii.co.uk From riz_lists at yahoo.co.uk Fri Dec 9 11:19:39 2005 From: riz_lists at yahoo.co.uk (rizwana z) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Winter reading In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051209111939.66668.qmail@web25901.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Congrats on surviving the snow!! We hardly get any snow here in Manchester (UK) and if we do it doesn't settle. I'm going to re-read my Haruki Marykami - The Wind Up Bird Chronicle, David Copperfield - Dickens (because I loved Bleak House) and I'm trying to decide whether to buy the new Robert Jordan which has become an exercise in torture lately (the first 5 volumes were so good!! Even if he cant write women characters very well.) Im new. please be kind. this is my first list email. eek!! - better get back to work!! take care alot riz Kevin Kennedy wrote: Well, now that the weather demons have dumped several inches of snow on the midwest during afternoon rush hour, I'm gonna drive the last quarter mile home(I live almost next door to the library where I use the public computer) and have some chili and read Winterfair Gifts before collapsing into bed. Indianapolis copes so well with snow that it's just taken me 4 hours to drive what normalliy takes 45 minutes. I just needed to claim I survived to someone. (My r*tfink parents left for the beach this afternoon, so I can't vent there) What's on everyone else's nasty weather reading list, after Bujold? Kevin -- Lois-Bujold mailing list Lois-Bujold@lists.herald.co.uk http://lists.herald.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lois-bujold --------------------------------- How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos From tora.smulders at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 11:45:42 2005 From: tora.smulders at gmail.com (Tora K. Smulders-Srinivasan) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Winter reading In-Reply-To: <20051209111939.66668.qmail@web25901.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20051209111939.66668.qmail@web25901.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4afcc1280512090345w5a982a83ubd6fc9fe7fe4efcf@mail.gmail.com> On 12/9/05, rizwana z wrote: > Congrats on surviving the snow!! We hardly get any snow here in Manchester (UK) > and if we do it doesn't settle. > > Im new. Hello Riz! And welcome to the list! I'm in Newcastle upon Tyne, so a near neighbor as far as this list goes, I believe! We've gotten snow here already -- but it was just a few flakes that fell during the day while I was at work and were gone by the time I went outside to go home!! It was pretty to watch out the window though! -Tora, reading Heyer at the moment, but going to start _The Player of Games_ by Iain M. Banks as soon as she's done with it -- it was lent to my husband by one of his postdocs, and Tom liked it, so I'm going to try it. :-) From rachel at compromise.fsnet.co.uk Fri Dec 9 12:59:14 2005 From: rachel at compromise.fsnet.co.uk (Rachel Ganz) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Winter reading Message-ID: <23082466.1134133154807.JavaMail.www@wwinf3101> On 12/9/05, rizwana z wrote: >> Congrats on surviving the snow!! We hardly get any snow here in Manchester (UK) >> and if we do it doesn't settle. > >> Im new. >I'm in Newcastle upon Tyne, so a near neighbor as far as this list >goes, I believe! Is there a subset of BRitish LMB listees? As the moment I feel almost as if we're in the time of isolation over here. >We've gotten snow here already -- but it was just a few flakes that >fell during the day while I was at work and were gone by the time I >went outside to go home!! There has been a few inches down here in Stroud - cars abandoned and so forth. I live on a steep hill and I wish they'd grit the pavements as well as the road. >It was pretty to watch out the window though! >-Tora, reading Heyer at the moment, but going to start _The Player of > Games_ by Iain M. Banks as soon as she's done with it -- it was lent > to my husband by one of his postdocs, and Tom liked it, so I'm going > to try it. :-) Iain M. Banks is good. Definitely. Just got a biography of the Curies out the library. British winter reading : Nevil Shute's "In the Wet" (Beginning to feel as if I've slipped into "I'm sorry I haven't a clue") Rachel From adamek at mac.com Fri Dec 9 13:11:48 2005 From: adamek at mac.com (Adam Ek) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Winter reading In-Reply-To: <4afcc1280512090345w5a982a83ubd6fc9fe7fe4efcf@mail.gmail.com> References: <20051209111939.66668.qmail@web25901.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4afcc1280512090345w5a982a83ubd6fc9fe7fe4efcf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5D896F35-8D5F-4BA1-835A-8047A6E276C0@mac.com> On Dec 9, 2005, at 6:45 AM, Tora K. Smulders-Srinivasan wrote: > We've gotten snow here already -- but it was just a few flakes that > fell during the day while I was at work and were gone by the time I > went outside to go home!! The snow has just started here. On the other hand, the car battery just died, the engine turns over but not fast enough to start. I'm about to walk to the train station (1.2 miles). I think it's time to reread Alan Dean Foster's Icerigger. Adam Ek adamek@mac.com From tora.smulders at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 13:51:52 2005 From: tora.smulders at gmail.com (Tora K. Smulders-Srinivasan) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Winter reading In-Reply-To: <23082466.1134133154807.JavaMail.www@wwinf3101> References: <23082466.1134133154807.JavaMail.www@wwinf3101> Message-ID: <4afcc1280512090551s5c157505m7431c4797790dfd6@mail.gmail.com> On 12/9/05, Rachel Ganz wrote: > Is there a subset of BRitish LMB listees? As the moment I feel almost as if we're in the > time of isolation over here. There are definitely a few that post fairly frequently, but I'm not sure you can always tell from their posts where they're from! Personally, I'm more of an USAn than British -- I only moved here about 2 years ago. :-) > Iain M. Banks is good. Definitely. Good to know! Thanks! :-) -Tora, about to start the Banks book! From jparish at siue.edu Fri Dec 9 14:03:45 2005 From: jparish at siue.edu (Jim Parish) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Winter reading In-Reply-To: <4afcc1280512090551s5c157505m7431c4797790dfd6@mail.gmail.com> References: <23082466.1134133154807.JavaMail.www@wwinf3101> Message-ID: <43993A61.7155.2435EAE0@localhost> Tora Smulders-Srinivasan wrote: > -Tora, about to start the Banks book! Seconded on the Banks love. I don't think _The Player of Games_ is his best work - I'd nominate _Use of Weapons_ for that slot - but it's not bad at all. Jim Parish From CatMtn at aol.com Fri Dec 9 14:05:21 2005 From: CatMtn at aol.com (CatMtn@aol.com) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Winter reading Message-ID: <281.1beabf6.30cae921@aol.com> In a message dated 12/8/2005 8:45:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kevink45@hotmail.com writes: What's on everyone else's nasty weather reading list, after Bujold? Kevin M: Hm--Laurie R. King and Elizabeth Peters. Other than those three, just a lot of assorted mysteries and science fiction. I've noticed, though, that I now tend to compare most science fiction with the Vorkoverse books, and nobody else measures up, IMHO. Mary From jbcroft at ou.edu Fri Dec 9 14:25:27 2005 From: jbcroft at ou.edu (Croft, Janet B.) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: looking for Thud game review Message-ID: <616885FB42966548B07F9EBADA59E14205A4896E@XMAIL.sooner.net.ou.edu> "Where's My Cow" DOES include the Vimes additions...lucky little Sam! Janet -----Original Message----- From: lois-bujold-bounces@lists.herald.co.uk [mailto:lois-bujold-bounces@lists.herald.co.uk] On Behalf Of Bill Stewart Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 7:24 PM To: Discussion of the works of Lois McMaster Bujold. Subject: Re: [LMB] OT: looking for Thud game review Phil Boswell said the following on 12/08/2005 05:36 AM: > On 07/12/05, Bruce Perry wrote: > > Also, were you aware that you can buy "Where's My Cow?" which appears > to be subtly different from the Discworld version, but in an utterly > charming way :-) What I REALLY want is the Sam Vimes/watch version. For those who haven't read Thud!, it is referred to in the book. buggerit! Bill, hermit in NH -- Lois-Bujold mailing list Lois-Bujold@lists.herald.co.uk http://lists.herald.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lois-bujold From jessybrody at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 16:09:24 2005 From: jessybrody at gmail.com (Jessy Brody) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Winter Reading Message-ID: Kevin: > What's on everyone else's nasty weather reading list, after Bujold? Reading list for the immediate future: reviewing Herodotus for the final, the Homeric Hymns to Dementer and Apollo for a paper comparing the use of geography in the two hymns, research for a paper about Grace Hopper (born 1906, computer programming pioneer, Navy rear admiral, and altogether more impressive than Ada Lovelace), Strong Poison (my first Sayers!), Imagining Religion: From Babylon to Jonestown by Jonathan Z. Smith, and the archives of AJ Hall's LJ. And I need to get my hands on a copy of The Charioteer so I can read Hall's Charioteer fic. Enough snow here (just west of Philly) that in effect we've got a snow day, so now I've got a cast iron excuse for not handing in something at 9:30 am because the bus that would have taken me to the place where I have to hand it in doesn't start until noon. JLB -- Welcome to Triage -Kurt Vonnegut He was never noisy and lacked the dogmatism of the insecure -written of George Orwell From vlecuyer at ksu.edu Fri Dec 9 17:21:00 2005 From: vlecuyer at ksu.edu (Victoria L'Ecuyer) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Winter reading In-Reply-To: <200512091200.jB9C04lF002153@lists.herald.co.uk> References: <200512091200.jB9C04lF002153@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <4399BCFC.4060703@ksu.edu> > > What's on everyone else's nasty weather reading list, after Bujold? >>> > Kevin >> >> "Trickster's Queen" by Tamora Pierce while waiting for "The Will of the Empress" to come in at the library. Victoria From jbcroft at ou.edu Fri Dec 9 17:50:11 2005 From: jbcroft at ou.edu (Croft, Janet B.) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Winter reading Message-ID: <616885FB42966548B07F9EBADA59E14205A48973@XMAIL.sooner.net.ou.edu> Time for my annual reading of _A Christmas Carol_ but for some reason I got distracted by _Alice, Let's Eat_ by Calvin Trillan. Janet - > > What's on everyone else's nasty weather reading list, after Bujold? >>> > Kevin >> >> -- Lois-Bujold mailing list Lois-Bujold@lists.herald.co.uk http://lists.herald.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lois-bujold From alayne at twobikes.ottawa.on.ca Fri Dec 9 18:42:15 2005 From: alayne at twobikes.ottawa.on.ca (alayne@twobikes.ottawa.on.ca) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Irresistible forces in paperback Message-ID: Jo Beverley's upcoming books page is showing _Irresistible Forces_ as being released in mass-market pb in February, 2006. She also has a pic of the draft pb cover. Lois is among the top three authors on the cover -- i.e. clearly visible. -- Alayne McGregor alayne at twobikes.ottawa.on.ca "It is curious that nearly all the great fortunes are made by turning beautiful things into ugly ones. Making beauty out of ugliness is very ill-paid work." -- E. Nesbit, "A Course in Magic" From megj at nwlink.com Fri Dec 9 18:53:44 2005 From: megj at nwlink.com (megj@nwlink.com) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Winter reading In-Reply-To: <4399BCFC.4060703@ksu.edu> References: <200512091200.jB9C04lF002153@lists.herald.co.uk> <4399BCFC.4060703@ksu.edu> Message-ID: <51355.66.96.65.225.1134154424.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> >> > What's on everyone else's nasty weather reading list, after Bujold? > >>>> > Kevin 1634: The Galileo Affair, by Flint and Dennis, and Heroics for Beginners by John Moore (who obviously read the Evil Overlord list and paid attention). Megaera for whom the snow has about melted, but where is our normal *rain*??? From lbujold at myinfmail.com Fri Dec 9 18:59:48 2005 From: lbujold at myinfmail.com (Lois McMaster Bujold) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] (news) Bujold reads at Dreamhaven Jan. 24 Message-ID: <4399D424.4050906@myinfmail.com> This from Eric: SPECULATIONS READINGS CONTINUE AT DREAMHAVEN BOOKS Speculations, the science fiction and fantasy edition of SASE's Carol Connelly Readings Series, continue Tuesdays from 6:30-8:00 p.m. at DreamHaven Books, 912 W. Lake St, Minneapolis. The monthly readings include a reception with free soda pop and cookies. On Tuesday, January 24 LOIS McMASTER BUJOLD reads her fiction. Ms. Bujold is the author of at least 17 books, including The Warrior's Apprentice, Barrayar, Memory, Komarr, and A Civil Campaign. Most of her work centers around the diplomatic adventures of interstellar troubleshooter Miles Vorkosigan and his parents. More recently she has started a fantasy series, including The Curse of Chalion and Paladin of Souls. She is the recipient of multiple Hugo and Nebula Awards. For further information contact Eric M. Heideman, eheideman@dhzone.com, 612-721-5959. Lois notes: I'm not sure yet what part of _The Sharing Knife, Vol. 1_ I'll read from; it'll depend on how many people there have heard my earlier readings, since iirc I debuted it at a Speculations reading last year. But I'll be sure to bring enough text to choose from. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/197 - Release Date: 12/9/2005 From megj at nwlink.com Fri Dec 9 21:14:57 2005 From: megj at nwlink.com (megj@nwlink.com) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Mary? In-Reply-To: <4399D424.4050906@myinfmail.com> References: <4399D424.4050906@myinfmail.com> Message-ID: <44504.66.96.65.225.1134162897.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> Sorry to send this to the entire list, but Mary, every email I send you is bouncing today. I did get the attachment from you when you sent it the second time, though. Megaera From kevink45 at hotmail.com Fri Dec 9 22:43:18 2005 From: kevink45 at hotmail.com (Kevin Kennedy) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] RE:Winter Reading In-Reply-To: <200512091200.jB9C04lH002153@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi, Riz. We get snow around here, I'm just not in an area that's used to getting 6 inches in 4 hours. And with the roads full of people trying to drive home from work, the snowplows couldn't clear the streets properly. Things got plowed last night and driving today is much better. I've been through your part of the world several years ago. My sister's married to a guy from Yorkshire, and several years ago she tlkled our parents and I into going with them to spend Christmas in England with her in-laws. We ended up in a rental cottage in north Wales(the Bentley's don't have room for seven guests for a week, or we would have been in Yorkshire) I flew into Manchester airport and my sister&brother-in-law picked me up on their way across country and we had a pretty fun week visiting and doing tourist type things Kevin K > > Congrats on surviving the snow!! We hardly get any snow here in >Manchester (UK) > and if we do it doesn't settle. I'm going to re-read my Haruki Marykami >- The Wind Up Bird Chronicle, David Copperfield - Dickens (because I loved >Bleak House) and I'm trying to decide whether to buy the new Robert Jordan >which has become an exercise in torture lately (the first 5 volumes were so >good!! Even if he cant write women characters very well.) > > Im new. > please be kind. > this is my first list email. > eek!! - better get back to work!! > > take care alot >riz >Kevin Kennedy wrote: > Well, now that the weather demons have dumped several inches of snow on >the >midwest during afternoon rush hour, I'm gonna drive the last quarter mile >home(I live almost next door to the library where I use the public >computer) >and have some chili and read Winterfair Gifts before collapsing into bed. >Indianapolis copes so well with snow that it's just taken me 4 hours to >drive what normalliy takes 45 minutes. I just needed to claim I survived to >someone. (My r*tfink parents left for the beach this afternoon, so I can't >vent there) >What's on everyone else's nasty weather reading list, after Bujold? >Kevin > > >-- >Lois-Bujold mailing list >Lois-Bujold@lists.herald.co.uk >http://lists.herald.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lois-bujold > > > > > >--------------------------------- >How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE >with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos > >------------------------------ > >Message: 13 >Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 11:45:42 +0000 >From: "Tora K. Smulders-Srinivasan" >Subject: Re: [LMB] Winter reading >To: "Discussion of the works of Lois McMaster Bujold." > >Message-ID: > <4afcc1280512090345w5a982a83ubd6fc9fe7fe4efcf@mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >On 12/9/05, rizwana z wrote: > > Congrats on surviving the snow!! We hardly get any snow here in >Manchester (UK) > > and if we do it doesn't settle. > > > Im new. > >Hello Riz! And welcome to the list! > >I'm in Newcastle upon Tyne, so a near neighbor as far as this list >goes, I believe! > >We've gotten snow here already -- but it was just a few flakes that >fell during the day while I was at work and were gone by the time I >went outside to go home!! > >It was pretty to watch out the window though! > >-Tora, reading Heyer at the moment, but going to start _The Player of >Games_ by Iain M. Banks as soon as she's done with it -- it was lent >to my husband by one of his postdocs, and Tom liked it, so I'm going >to try it. :-) > > > >------------------------------ > >-- >Lois-Bujold mailing list >Lois-Bujold@lists.herald.co.uk >http://lists.herald.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lois-bujold > > >End of Lois-Bujold Digest, Vol 7, Issue 16 >****************************************** From megj at nwlink.com Fri Dec 9 23:24:27 2005 From: megj at nwlink.com (megj@nwlink.com) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] sorry, OT: Mary, one last time In-Reply-To: References: <200512091200.jB9C04lH002153@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <65015.66.96.65.225.1134170667.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> I'm sorry. But I need to let Mary know that my ISP is having issues with AOL, and that I've been in contact with my ISP and they don't know when it will be fixed. I can get your messages, Mary, but I can't send to you. I may go set up a web-based account and be done with it. Meg From tlambs1138 at charter.net Sat Dec 10 00:38:01 2005 From: tlambs1138 at charter.net (Jean Lamb) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: OT: Winter reading References: <200512092325.jB9NPDTZ023769@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <003801c5fd21$fa53a120$6dedbe42@Samantha> Just got a copy of FEAST OF CROWS. See ya! Jean Lamb, tlambs1138@charter.net "Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for you are crunchy and good with lemon drops." From nlbarber at alum.emory.edu Sat Dec 10 01:36:52 2005 From: nlbarber at alum.emory.edu (Nancy L. Barber) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Winter reading In-Reply-To: <4399BCFC.4060703@ksu.edu> References: <200512091200.jB9C04lF002153@lists.herald.co.uk> <4399BCFC.4060703@ksu.edu> Message-ID: At 11:21 AM -0600 12/9/05, Victoria L'Ecuyer wrote: >"Trickster's Queen" by Tamora Pierce while waiting for "The Will of >the Empress" to come in at the library. I'm re-reading "Will of the Empress", which I liked much better than the Trickster books. I think the YA readers in my library system haven't caught on that it's out yet, as I've read it, loaned it to my niece and sister-in-law, renewed it, and am starting the re-read. Other than that, I'm working on Martha Wells' "The Wizard Hunters", and "Salt: A World History". The latter has some interesting material, but is written with all the insight and graceful prose of a high-schooler's first research paper... Nancy Barber From rsuitor at gmail.com Sat Dec 10 02:17:16 2005 From: rsuitor at gmail.com (Richard Suitor) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: OT: Winter reading In-Reply-To: <003801c5fd21$fa53a120$6dedbe42@Samantha> References: <200512092325.jB9NPDTZ023769@lists.herald.co.uk> <003801c5fd21$fa53a120$6dedbe42@Samantha> Message-ID: <65deb8130512091817hf24f314s2d06fceffd3c268c@mail.gmail.com> On 12/9/05, Jean Lamb wrote: > Just got a copy of FEAST OF CROWS. See ya! Just got mine, too. Have similar intentions :<) . Just finished Behe's "Darwin's Black Box", stimulated by recent events elsewhere in the U.S. Posted my thoughts on it: http://www.livejournal.com/users/countrycousin/2318.html From AndrewBarton at compuserve.com Sat Dec 10 02:58:59 2005 From: AndrewBarton at compuserve.com (Andrew Barton) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] re: looking for Thud game review OT: Message-ID: <200512092159_MC3-1-B20A-B26C@compuserve.com> [moving the OT: marker to the end of the subject line] From Bruce Perry - > I've read Pratchett's latest book, Thud, and enjoyed it. Imagine my > surprise to find that the game the book is named after now exists. I'm > intrigued, but I'd like to be sure that the game is good before buying > it. It seems to be available only in the UK at present, so buying and > shipping it are more expensive than I'd like for an unknown quantity. > > Google hasn't been helpful in locating a review, and Ebay seems to find > only sellers in the UK. Has anyone played it, seen an online review, > or > know of a North American seller of the game? The game came out some time before the book, I watched a Thud tournament at a (UK) Discworld convention a year or two ago. It must have been inspired by the Norse game hnefltafl but it's not just a rebadging exercise, the pieces and rules have changed considerably. The discussions of Thud strategy in the book are similar to the comments from serious gamers I heard in the course of the tournament. Those gamers evidently thought it was a good enough game to spend a fair amount of time exploring it. The game has been available for some time in London's Forbidden Planet. Where are you based? You might be able to make arrangements with someone planning to attend a transpondial convention. Andrew From charcoalbpoodle at isp.com Sat Dec 10 03:43:29 2005 From: charcoalbpoodle at isp.com (Coalboy) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Winter reading References: <200512092325.jB9NPDTa023769@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <001201c5fd3b$e3b16a00$da5d9e04@laptop> I just finished Shirley Jackson's "Life Among the Savages" and "Raising Demons", both good for snuggling down with, in addition to my Other Lists' reading - Heyer, Wolfe, LordPeter, ReadingChristie. Thanks to all your recommendations, I have a suggestions list more than 200 authors long. Jane H From cinnabun1322 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 10 04:31:08 2005 From: cinnabun1322 at yahoo.com (cinnamon Rhoades) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Winter Reading Message-ID: <20051210043108.45486.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Hey Riz, I am right there with you, I joined a mere...what...two months ago? I forget now. But I have been reading her books for awhile. Well I can't say much about snow, we almost never get snow here in Dallas, Tx but we did get ice so I got to miss a few days of school. One becuse I was sick and the next because of the ice. As reading pleasures go, I was reading Dean Koontz's Lightning which I really like. -Cinnamon who is being drowned in essays assigned today. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dhbenton at worldnet.att.net Sat Dec 10 04:34:21 2005 From: dhbenton at worldnet.att.net (Dawn Benton) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Winter reading References: <20051209111939.66668.qmail@web25901.mail.ukl.yahoo.com><4afcc1280512090345w5a982a83ubd6fc9fe7fe4efcf@mail.gmail.com> <5D896F35-8D5F-4BA1-835A-8047A6E276C0@mac.com> Message-ID: <008d01c5fd43$8041f6d0$6c854d0c@NEW> From: "Adam Ek" Wrote: > > I think it's time to reread Alan Dean Foster's Icerigger. > I really like Icerigger and both of the sequals. Have you read Mission to Mouloukin and/or The Deluge Drivers? As for winter reading, I just finished Lynne Truss' "Eats shoots & Leaves" and "Talk to the Hand". I laughed so hard at work, they asked what I was reading. Now, I am finishing up Jared Diamond's latest, "Collapse" and Michael Korda's "Horse People". Plus I have a book about the history of the tulip waiting for me at the library. Dawn From dhbenton at worldnet.att.net Sat Dec 10 04:36:36 2005 From: dhbenton at worldnet.att.net (Dawn Benton) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Winter reading References: <616885FB42966548B07F9EBADA59E14205A48973@XMAIL.sooner.net.ou.edu> Message-ID: <008e01c5fd43$812e0480$6c854d0c@NEW> From: "Croft, Janet B." > Time for my annual reading of _A Christmas Carol_ but for some reason I > got distracted by _Alice, Let's Eat_ by Calvin Trillan. I adore Alice, Let's Eat. I also love the entire Tummy Trilogy. To be honest, I really like Calvin Trillin. I have most of his books and enjoy re-reading them. Dawn From dhbenton at worldnet.att.net Sat Dec 10 04:40:38 2005 From: dhbenton at worldnet.att.net (Dawn Benton) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Winter reading References: <200512091200.jB9C04lF002153@lists.herald.co.uk><4399BCFC.4060703@ksu.edu> Message-ID: <008f01c5fd43$df6dfa50$6c854d0c@NEW> From: "Nancy L. Barber" > > Other than that, I'm working on Martha Wells' "The Wizard > Hunters", and "Salt: A World History". The latter has some > interesting material, but is written with all the insight and > graceful prose of a high-schooler's first research paper... > The third book in the Wizard Hunters series is out now. I very carefully put it on my Christmas list to my brother. I found your reaction to Salt: A World History interesting. Obviously our mileage differs as I found the book very interesting and well written. Dawn From bellecarolbethling at icmail.net Sat Dec 10 05:30:29 2005 From: bellecarolbethling at icmail.net (bellecarolbethling@icmail.net) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] winterreading Message-ID: <20051210051455.4D019B9F9E@Mars.internetspeech.com> i finished brothers majere. i think i spelled majere wrong. From rgmolpus at sff.net Sat Dec 10 09:20:24 2005 From: rgmolpus at sff.net (Richard Molpus) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Photos of the Themes Barrier and Lois Pico-Con November 12th. In-Reply-To: <4afcc1280512090345w5a982a83ubd6fc9fe7fe4efcf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Folks: I've finally finished posting all my trip photos from London, including my shots at the Thames Barrier. The 14nov05 album has the Thames Barrier photos. The URL is: http://photos.yahoo.com/rgmolpus All my albums are public, so have fun! Richard Molpus (Qatari Detachmet, Dendarii Ranger Astrocom section) From secrowley66 at hotmail.com Sat Dec 10 12:37:40 2005 From: secrowley66 at hotmail.com (Sarah Crowley) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Irresistible forces in paperback In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Alayne wrote: >Jo Beverley's upcoming books page > >is showing _Irresistible Forces_ as being released in mass-market pb in >February, 2006. This is how I encountered LMB - I bought Irresistable Forces for the Jo Beverley story, and look what I found inside! Sarah From lbujold at myinfmail.com Sat Dec 10 14:18:32 2005 From: lbujold at myinfmail.com (Lois McMaster Bujold) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Irresistible forces in paperback Message-ID: <439AE3B8.6010403@myinfmail.com> Sarah Crowley secrowley66 at hotmail.com Sat Dec 10 12:37:40 GMT 2005 Alayne wrote: >Jo Beverley's upcoming books page > >is showing _Irresistible Forces_ as being released in mass-market pb in >February, 2006. This is how I encountered LMB - I bought Irresistable Forces for the Jo Beverley story, and look what I found inside! Sarah Yay! It worked! It worked! Wow, you really started from the back end of the series and worked forward... Ta, L. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/197 - Release Date: 12/9/2005 From ginni.berger at juno.com Sat Dec 10 15:36:30 2005 From: ginni.berger at juno.com (Ginnilee) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Irresistible forces in paperback Message-ID: <20051210.073700.4403.84088@webmail52.nyc.untd.com> -- Lois McMaster Bujold wrote: Sarah Crowley secrowley66 at hotmail.com Sat Dec 10 12:37:40 GMT 2005 Alayne wrote: >Jo Beverley's upcoming books page > >is showing _Irresistible Forces_ as being released in mass-market pb in >February, 2006. This is how I encountered LMB - I bought Irresistable Forces for the Jo Beverley story, and look what I found inside! Sarah Yay! It worked! It worked! Wow, you really started from the back end of the series and worked forward... Ta, L. Oh good- another way to hook my customers....... Mass markets are easier to push than trade paperbacks and hard covers. Update on the co-worker's girlfriend- I think I've got her hooked. Seems she was laughing maniacally the entire time she was reading ACC, but stating how horrible everything was situation-wise, but couldn't put it down. Church of the Holy Bujold strikes again. Conversion isn't that difficult once you've got them to the cash registers while making sure they've kept it in hand until they get there and have given us their money. Ginnilee Lady Lavender of Teal I'm Dear, Sweet & Innocent- just ask my cats! From joasia at fandom.art.pl Sat Dec 10 16:10:19 2005 From: joasia at fandom.art.pl (Jo'Asia) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Irresistible forces in paperback In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1062529916.20051210171019@galaxy.uci.agh.edu.pl> My comconsole brought me this letter from Alayne McGregor: AMcG> Jo Beverley's upcoming books page AMcG> AMcG> is showing _Irresistible Forces_ as being released in mass-market pb in AMcG> February, 2006. AMcG> She also has a pic of the draft pb cover. Lois is among the top three AMcG> authors on the cover -- i.e. clearly visible. Amazon has a better picture: An they suggest a buying it with with _Paladine of Souls_... :) Jo'Asia -- __.-=-. -< Joanna Slupek >----------------------< http://esensja.pl/ >- --<()> -< joasia @ hell . pl >------< http://bujold.fantastyka.net/ >- .__.'| -< Still, the people of this town are behaving strangely. Even for humans. {Stargate: SG-1, Teal'C} >- From patgund at gmail.com Sat Dec 10 17:56:53 2005 From: patgund at gmail.com (Patrick McKinnion) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Photos of the Themes Barrier and Lois Pico-Con November 12th. In-Reply-To: References: <4afcc1280512090345w5a982a83ubd6fc9fe7fe4efcf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8d01ff780512100956q9bee62ctea16b7a45a3a4644@mail.gmail.com> On 12/10/05, Richard Molpus wrote: > Folks: > > I've finally finished posting all my trip photos from London, > including my shots at the Thames Barrier. > > The 14nov05 album has the Thames Barrier photos. > > The URL is: > > http://photos.yahoo.com/rgmolpus > > All my albums are public, so have fun! Cool pictures, thanks! > Richard Molpus (Qatari Detachmet, Dendarii Ranger Astrocom section) So, that's what, two of us?? :-) Patrick McKinnion (Qatari Detachment, Dendari Medical Support Group (education)) From carbonelle at juno.com Sat Dec 10 19:32:09 2005 From: carbonelle at juno.com (Kirsten Edwards) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Narnia Read-Alikes (Was Winter Reading OT:) Message-ID: <20051210.113309.6138.103644@webmail29.lax.untd.com> In honor of the new Narnia movie (the which I shall not see until Tuesday, thanks to the vagaries of babysitters and illnesses) I offer you this winter reading challenge to the list librarians (and anyone else likely to be interested, of course): What books would you recommend to a child or teenager who has seen the movie or read the book, "The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe?" Game rules 1. Book must be age-appropriate (i.e. tag either "child" or "teen" or "both"): example: THE LAST UNICORN (teen) vs. GRIMBOLD'S OTHER WORLD (child) or THE ENCHANTED FOREST CHRONICLES (all) 2. Must indicate *why* someone who liked TLTW&TW would also like this book. Needn't be terribly complex: THE LAST UNICORN (mythopoeic fantasy) GRIMBOLD'S (mythopoeic, likable English-y kid visits other world, redemption) ENCHANTED FOREST (riff on fairytales, talking beasts) 3. Must include brief summary of what the book is about. Emphasis is on "brief". Fannish librarians, unite! You have nothing to lose but your spare time better spent elsewhere or more amusingly! Kirsten ("yes, I do have ulterior motives") Edwards "Infantem dormientem non movere" ___________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 250MB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From ndrosen at erols.com Sat Dec 10 20:05:11 2005 From: ndrosen at erols.com (Nicholas Rosen) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Winter Reading OT: Message-ID: <022c01c5fdc5$f8e3f200$ea382c42@oemcomputer> >> > What's on everyone else's nasty weather reading list, after Bujold? > >>>> > Kevin I just started on John C. Wright's _Orphan's of Chaos_. Then there's a copy of James Hogan's _Voyage from Yesteryear_, which I purchased recently. I haven't opened my collected works of Shakespeare yet. One of these days . . . Regards, Nicholas Rosen www.livejournal.com/users/ndrosen From adkinslawfirm at mindspring.com Sat Dec 10 20:40:46 2005 From: adkinslawfirm at mindspring.com (Marty L. Adkins) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Because Laura asked for it OT: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20051210145659.01c6fa30@pop.mindspring.com> I figured, why not share the musical love? Emerald Rose--Celtic Crescent 04 Green Hills of Garland - Gallagher Lass - Ferret's Nose http://s65.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1SHZTFI0QWEL323FS6LEQ7MDNU If anyone likes traditional Celtic music with a bit of a rock flair, enjoy! Jerrie From rachel at compromise.fsnet.co.uk Sat Dec 10 21:59:20 2005 From: rachel at compromise.fsnet.co.uk (Rachel Ganz) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Narnia Read-Alikes (Was Winter Reading OT:) Message-ID: <8785272.1134251960050.JavaMail.www@wwinf3102> Judging from my 8-year old girl All the other Narnia books : more English children rule the world in spite of Christianity All the Harry Potter books: English middle-class boarding-school magical fantasy All books by Anthony Horowitz (age dependent): Groosham Grange series: comic magic boarding school (English) Diamond brother series: comic detectives spoof of classic movies Alex Ruder series: English boy saves world All books by Eve Ibbotson: English child saves threatened animals Jill Murphy's "The Worst Witch" series: English magical boarding school series Inkheart by Cornelia Funke: English girl travels round magical Europe to save father who reads books alive Madame Doubtfile (Annie Fine): comic tale of English family split-up How to be a Pyrate/ How to tame your dragon - Cressida Cowall?: comic stories of fake Vikings and so on and so on and so on..... Rachel From CatMtn at aol.com Sat Dec 10 22:09:11 2005 From: CatMtn at aol.com (CatMtn@aol.com) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Narnia Read-Alikes (Was Winter Reading OT:) Message-ID: <1f6.179aa287.30ccac07@aol.com> The Madeleine L'Engle books-A Wrinkle in Time, et seq. The Jungle Books by Kipling--boy raised by wolves in India Kim, by Kipling--Irish orphan in India becomes a spy and a disciple of a Tibetan lama Mary From arcangel at io.com Sat Dec 10 22:54:32 2005 From: arcangel at io.com (Elizabeth McCoy) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Narnia Read-Alikes (Was Winter Reading OT:) In-Reply-To: <20051210.113309.6138.103644@webmail29.lax.untd.com> References: <20051210.113309.6138.103644@webmail29.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: At 7:32 PM +0000 12/10/05, Kirsten Edwards wrote: >What books would you recommend to a child or teenager >who has seen the movie or read the book, "The Lion the >Witch and the Wardrobe?" Rest of the Narnia books (both); more about Narnia. Andre Norton's Star Ka'at trilogy (both); telepathic alien cats come to Earth, bring back a bunch of their Earth-stranded kin, and a couple of human orphans as well. Adventures happen. (Kids and talking cats, what could go wrong?) Diane Duane's (IIRC the author!!!) _Wizard_ books. Wizardly children battle against the entropic machinations of the Lone Power. Eldest, Fairest, and Fallen, greeting and defiance! (Kids and interesting themes on temptations, redemptions, courage.) Charmed Life, Diana Wynn Jones (*I* read it as a kid; both). A pair of orphans are adopted by a powerful wizard in a vaguely steamboat era world. The older sister is a nasty little witch; her brother (and narrator) is a sweet kid. Eventually, everyone gets what they both deserve, and in many cases, want. Magical. Howl's Moving Castle (both). Both anime and book version. Sensawunda, and I'd go more into it, but must run to dinner now. Non-books: The animated _Hobbit_ movie (both). (Because it is a CLASSIC. Or at least nostalgia bait from my childhood.) The Last Unicorn (probably teen for the book, both for the animated movie). Mowgli's Brothers animated version (both, esp. child); talking wolves, etc., and much more dignity and cool stuff than the Disneyversion. Book version also good, but the animation got me interested... El Hazard anime OAVs (teen); Earthly students are plopped into a magical world with Weird Stuff. Some obligatory hot springs scenes/fan service, and some very cool, sweet bits. -- --Beth, arcangel@io.com http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ From t.vinson at sbcglobal.net Sat Dec 10 23:41:38 2005 From: t.vinson at sbcglobal.net (Thomas Vinson) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: cast iron excuse (was Winter Reading) Message-ID: JLB writes: > Enough snow here (just west of Philly) that in effect we've > got a snow day, so now I've got a cast iron excuse for not > handing in something at 9:30 am because the bus that > would have taken me to the place where I have to hand > it in doesn't start until noon. Borrowing from another classical language... In a similar situation a student at Boston Latin* exclaimed, "Sick transit; glorious Monday." BTW, Grace Hopper was the inventor of Cobol. Not my first choice of programming language, but it's what much of the world still runs on. One of the greats. Tom [*] prestigious secondary school in Boston Mass. From t.vinson at sbcglobal.net Sat Dec 10 23:47:58 2005 From: t.vinson at sbcglobal.net (Thomas Vinson) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: OT: Winter reading Message-ID: Right now I'm reading Alexandra Fuller's _Scribbling the Cat_. She grew up in Rhodesia and lived there until the civil war. This book is about her encounter with a veteran of that war while on a visit to her parents, who are still in East Africa. Tom From billie_t at fastmail.fm Sun Dec 11 04:28:50 2005 From: billie_t at fastmail.fm (Tracy MacShane) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Narnia Read-Alikes (Was Winter Reading OT:) In-Reply-To: References: <20051210.113309.6138.103644@webmail29.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: <1134275330.16315.249509199@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 17:54:32 -0500, "Elizabeth McCoy" said: > At 7:32 PM +0000 12/10/05, Kirsten Edwards wrote: > >What books would you recommend to a child or teenager > >who has seen the movie or read the book, "The Lion the > >Witch and the Wardrobe?" > ... > > Charmed Life, Diana Wynn Jones (*I* read it as a kid; both). A pair of > orphans are adopted by a powerful wizard in a vaguely steamboat era > world. The older sister is a nasty little witch; her brother (and narrator) is a > sweet kid. > Eventually, everyone gets what they both deserve, and in many cases, want. > Magical. > Nodding along with all the other recs. I'd also add ALL the other DWJ "Chrestomanci" books: http://www.leemac.freeserve.co.uk/chresto1.htm. They're all set in the same alternate world, a modern-day Edwardian English society, where the very rich have cars and magic is commonplace. Some of the books, particularly the Lives of Christopher Chant and Conrad's Fate, feature travel between worlds and magical creatures like mermaids and dragons. They all feature children aged 10-12 as leading characters, and they're humorous. Another of hers I'd recommend in a different vein is The Homeward Bounders. Young boy gets sucked into a "game" played by alien beings and travels around a number of worlds with some companions. Again, the main character is English (there's an amusing description of a cricket game), and it brings in a LOT of mythology, including Prometheus, The Flying Dutchman and the Wandering Jew. It's a book that's darker in tone than her others (although not horrible in any way), and I'd say would be for ages 13 and up. No animals though. -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Faster than the air-speed velocity of an unladen european swallow From joasia at fandom.art.pl Sun Dec 11 10:27:39 2005 From: joasia at fandom.art.pl (Jo'Asia) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Narnia Read-Alikes (Was Winter Reading OT:) In-Reply-To: <1134275330.16315.249509199@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <20051210.113309.6138.103644@webmail29.lax.untd.com> <1134275330.16315.249509199@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <12710650891.20051211112739@galaxy.uci.agh.edu.pl> My comconsole brought me this letter from Tracy MacShane: TM> Nodding along with all the other recs. I'd also add ALL the other DWJ TM> "Chrestomanci" books: http://www.leemac.freeserve.co.uk/chresto1.htm. TM> They're all set in the same alternate world, a modern-day Edwardian TM> English society, where the very rich have cars and magic is commonplace. TM> Some of the books, particularly the Lives of Christopher Chant and TM> Conrad's Fate, feature travel between worlds and magical creatures like TM> mermaids and dragons. They all feature children aged 10-12 as leading TM> characters, and they're humorous. OK. Now I know that there is a new Chrestomanci book I did not read... And I have to buy it from Amazon or wait for the local publisher to pick it up. I wonder if I should let them know about it. ;) Jo'Asia -- __.-=-. -< Joanna Slupek >----------------------< http://esensja.pl/ >- --<()> -< joasia @ hell . pl >------< http://bujold.fantastyka.net/ >- .__.'| -< "He's bisexual, you know." "Was bisexual. Now he's monogamous." {Barrayar} >- From naomi_kestrel at yahoo.com Sun Dec 11 15:50:04 2005 From: naomi_kestrel at yahoo.com (naomi lloyd) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] RE: Narnia read-alikes Message-ID: <20051211155004.98202.qmail@web60314.mail.yahoo.com> The Artemis Fowle books by Eoin Colfer. Brit-based fanasy, but with a contemporary edge. If Moriarty had gotten involved with the Fairy world, and was 12 years old, this is who he'd be. Naomi in upstate NY __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mok4747 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 11 16:42:30 2005 From: mok4747 at yahoo.com (Miriam Krause) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Dreamhaven reading In-Reply-To: <200512111030.jBBAUT1X016114@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <20051211164230.61715.qmail@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks so much for the information on the January 24 Dreamhaving reading! I am SO there :) Are there many other Twin Cities folk out there on the list? I imagine there must be a few... We've had minimal snow so far this year, not that I'm complaining much. As for curling up on a snowbound day with a book, in addition to what everybody's already said, I'll toss out Pratchett, Barry Hughart's "Bridge of Birds," Dorothy Dunnett, and "Good Omens." -Miriam --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping From sraun at fireopal.org Sun Dec 11 19:06:10 2005 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Dreamhaven reading In-Reply-To: <20051211164230.61715.qmail@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200512111030.jBBAUT1X016114@lists.herald.co.uk> <20051211164230.61715.qmail@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051211190610.GA8586@fireopal.org> On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 08:42:30AM -0800, Miriam Krause wrote: > Are there many other Twin Cities folk out there on the list? I > imagine there must be a few... We've had minimal snow so far this > year, not that I'm complaining much. I live in South Minneapolis. My wife and I are planning on being there. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From horsybird at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 23:42:37 2005 From: horsybird at gmail.com (Erin) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Lois-Bujold Digest, Vol 7, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: <200512111030.jBBAUT1X016114@lists.herald.co.uk> References: <200512111030.jBBAUT1X016114@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <1ba6819b0512111542s73c8defape181f93d1a1528c5@mail.gmail.com> >>Oh good- another way to hook my customers....... Mass markets are easier to push than trade >>paperbacks and hard covers. True, true! Wish somebody'd tell Baen that, as regards _Miles Errant_ ! Although since I have the whole series now, it's kind of too late. :) From yadler at thejnet.com Mon Dec 12 03:54:52 2005 From: yadler at thejnet.com (yadler@thejnet.com) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] a question of identity OT: References: <8785272.1134251960050.JavaMail.www@wwinf3102> Message-ID: <001901c5fecf$cece7750$b65b80d8@DCLN9521> I don't own a television or listen to the radio often[1] , so i would like a quick mass-market reality check from the big wide world of listees, please I just heard a commercial on the radio, that people who are addicted to over-the-counter medicine should tell their doctors, and get help. there were an alternating male and female voice. it started off the same for both, woe is me, my work is wrecked, my home life is wrecked, i'm afraid to tell anyone, i finally told my doc and got help. (so far so good) the last 2 lines of this advert rather shocked me. woman: my daughter got her mother back. man: i finally got my life back. what? doesn't the woman get her life back too? or is her life supposed to be fulfilled by her daughters happiness in getting mommy back? does she have no identity of her own? i thought women are no longer defined as "ma kosti' , 'someone's mother' or 'someone's wife'. is this a fluke, or did mass marketing not get the news flash that women have lives, too? ziviya, perfectly happy to be X's Mom to hte neighborhood kids, not so much from other adults. [1] -not- a complete ignoramus here, people, there are still newspapers and the internet.. i get my news from reading, mostly, instead of listening. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/194 - Release Date: 12/7/2005 From mikebomb at myrealbox.com Mon Dec 12 07:04:50 2005 From: mikebomb at myrealbox.com (Michael Bauminger) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] a question of identity OT: References: <8785272.1134251960050.JavaMail.www@wwinf3102> <001901c5fecf$cece7750$b65b80d8@DCLN9521> Message-ID: <000601c5feea$582e2a30$3401a8c0@MBCYBER> On Sunday, December 11, 2005 10:54 PM, yadler@thejnet.com wrote: > I just heard a commercial on the radio, that people who > are addicted to over-the-counter medicine should tell > their doctors, and get help. I have heard this advertisement, too. I am pretty sure that the drug in question is heroin, not over the counter medicines. > the last 2 lines of this advert rather shocked me. > woman: my daughter got her mother back. > man: i finally got my life back. > > what? doesn't the woman get her life back too? In the first part of the ad, the woman is saying how she is no longer able to be a proper mother to her daughter. That is why at the end, she says her daughter got her mother back. I heard it in the context that they were using two people to illustrate two different classes of people hurt by one person's drug use -- that person, and his or her family. In other words, if your own life is not so important to you that you would clean up for yourself, maybe your family is important enough to you that you will clean up for them. -- Michael From morgaine at zonnet.nl Mon Dec 12 09:33:30 2005 From: morgaine at zonnet.nl (Rowena) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] a question of identity OT: In-Reply-To: <000601c5feea$582e2a30$3401a8c0@MBCYBER> References: <8785272.1134251960050.JavaMail.www@wwinf3102> <001901c5fecf$cece7750$b65b80d8@DCLN9521> <000601c5feea$582e2a30$3401a8c0@MBCYBER> Message-ID: <439D43EA.9050906@zonnet.nl> Michael Bauminger wrote: > On Sunday, December 11, 2005 10:54 PM, yadler@thejnet.com > wrote: > >> I just heard a commercial on the radio, that people who >> are addicted to over-the-counter medicine should tell >> their doctors, and get help. > > > I have heard this advertisement, too. I am pretty sure that the drug > in question is heroin, not over the counter medicines. > I can imagine someone become aware of having a problem by an ad if they are addicted to painkillers or tranquelisers (are they over the counter for you folks?). But heroin? The scenario that an heroin addict watches TV, sees this add and comes to the conclusion 'gee I have a problem here, lets tackle it' seems a little far fetched. But than again, I don't have TV either, and I live in the Netherlands, perhaps do our heroin junkies react differently to yours? (or the ad-makers are more optimistic? here they stick to over the counter painkiller adiction, drunk driving, save sex, get excersize and don't practice domestic violence - these are hard enough) >> the last 2 lines of this advert rather shocked me. >> woman: my daughter got her mother back. >> man: i finally got my life back. >> >> what? doesn't the woman get her life back too? > > > In the first part of the ad, the woman is saying how she is no longer > able to be a proper mother to her daughter. That is why at the end, > she says her daughter got her mother back. I heard it in the context > that they were using two people to illustrate two different classes of > people hurt by one person's drug use -- that person, and his or her > family. In other words, if your own life is not so important to you > that you would clean up for yourself, maybe your family is important > enough to you that you will clean up for them. I agree with Ziviya. Ofcourse, you want to show two different good outcomes so as to appeal to as many people as possible (some people would not be touched by the daughter argument, but some might well be,. likewise the life back). But I don't think it is a coincidence at all that they had the woman saying the line about the daughter and the man the more general line. It is after all (still) in line with perception about what the priorities of men and women ought to be. An ad like this can't afford to differ to much from perceptions of those it wants to reach, because then reaching them would be harder. If the man had said "now I finally have my daughter back" I wouldn't be surprised if this would not 'work' as intended, people might start to think in what way he has his daughter back (in stead of the natural way of being able to be a parent for her). But maybe instead of swapping the sentences they might have come up with more neutral ones like "now I have my family back" "now I can be myself again" (or is that to hippy/new age?) "now I can enjoy life" stuff like that. Rowena From jbryant at lunainternet.net Mon Dec 12 13:34:08 2005 From: jbryant at lunainternet.net (James M. BRYANT, G4CLF) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] AKICOT:L Haikus Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20051212133246.02e83c20@pop.lunainternet.net> Fast answer needed:- Is "Haiku" two or three syllables? James - about to write one From morgaine at zonnet.nl Mon Dec 12 13:41:36 2005 From: morgaine at zonnet.nl (Rowena) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] AKICOT:L Haikus In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20051212133246.02e83c20@pop.lunainternet.net> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20051212133246.02e83c20@pop.lunainternet.net> Message-ID: <439D7E10.3070609@zonnet.nl> James M. BRYANT, G4CLF wrote: > Fast answer needed:- > > Is "Haiku" two or three syllables? > > James - about to write one > If you would write one in Dutch it is 2. Rowena, aware that this answer is most likely useless From queenortart at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 13:48:21 2005 From: queenortart at gmail.com (queenortart) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] AKICOT:L Haikus In-Reply-To: <439D7E10.3070609@zonnet.nl> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20051212133246.02e83c20@pop.lunainternet.net> <439D7E10.3070609@zonnet.nl> Message-ID: > > James M. BRYANT, G4CLF wrote: > > > Fast answer needed:- > > > > Is "Haiku" two or three syllables? Two if you prounce it according to Japanese. Suey -- > "Hearing nuns' confessions is like being stoned to death with popcorn." From phil.boswell at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 13:50:02 2005 From: phil.boswell at gmail.com (Phil Boswell) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] (news) first pub date in view In-Reply-To: <43976803.4060908@myinfmail.com> References: <43976803.4060908@myinfmail.com> Message-ID: On 07/12/05, Lois McMaster Bujold wrote: > Hiya -- > It looks like the publication date for _THE SHARING KNIFE, Vol. 1 : > Beguilement_ will be October, 2006. I don't have a date yet for the > second volume. There may be a modest book tour, concentrating on the > upper Midwest, this time; it will be some months before I have confirmed > details. I hardly dare ask, after the last time, but do you have a UK publisher yet? -- Phil From phil.boswell at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 13:58:36 2005 From: phil.boswell at gmail.com (Phil Boswell) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Irresistible forces in paperback In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 09/12/05, alayne@twobikes.ottawa.on.ca wrote: > Jo Beverley's upcoming books page > > is showing _Irresistible Forces_ as being released in mass-market pb in > February, 2006. > She also has a pic of the draft pb cover. Lois is among the top three > authors on the cover -- i.e. clearly visible. Somebody needs to tell her that the web address for the book has moved to: http://www.irresistibleforces.net/ Mind you, the people over at NovelTalk need a good kicking for not properly implementing the redirect... HTH HAND -- Phil From morales.knight at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 14:21:29 2005 From: morales.knight at gmail.com (Luis Felipe Morales Knight) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] AKICOT:L Haikus In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20051212133246.02e83c20@pop.lunainternet.net> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20051212133246.02e83c20@pop.lunainternet.net> Message-ID: <9e2c72630512120621o1f1eb5f4gd3575d49f1146767@mail.gmail.com> In Japanese, canonically, three: Ha-i-ku. In other languages, usually two: Hai-ku. The difference is that Japanese (technically) doesn't have diphthongs. Even syllables like kya, kyo, kyu, etc. are technically palatalized consonants followed by a vowel. (Doesn't always work this way in practice....) Luis, whose Japanese is pretty damn rusty but who's fairly sure about this. On 12/12/05, James M. BRYANT, G4CLF wrote: > > Fast answer needed:- > > Is "Haiku" two or three syllables? > > James - about to write one > > -- > Lois-Bujold mailing list > Lois-Bujold@lists.herald.co.uk > http://lists.herald.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lois-bujold > -- Luis Felipe Morales Knight Graduate student, Pepperdine GSEP (Psychology M.A. Program) http://knightpsych.com/ From lbujold at myinfmail.com Mon Dec 12 14:29:29 2005 From: lbujold at myinfmail.com (Lois McMaster Bujold) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] (news) first pub date in view Message-ID: <439D8949.3070302@myinfmail.com> *Phil Boswell* phil.boswell at gmail.com />/ It looks like the publication date for _THE SHARING KNIFE, Vol. 1 : />/ Beguilement_ will be October, 2006. I don't have a date yet for the />/ second volume. There may be a modest book tour, concentrating on the />/ upper Midwest, this time; it will be some months before I have confirmed />/ details. / I hardly dare ask, after the last time, but do you have a UK publisher yet? -- Phil Nope. Not a whiff. But the final manuscript only went to my US agent 10 days ago; there hasn't really been time to submit over there yet. Or even for it to arrive at the British sub-agent's office. I'm not, mind you, holding my breath. Ta, L. -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/197 - Release Date: 12/9/2005 From A.Hendon at BrooklynPublicLibrary.org Mon Dec 12 16:12:33 2005 From: A.Hendon at BrooklynPublicLibrary.org (Hendon, Alison) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] a question of identity OT: Message-ID: <7C952CC727B6A94BA342634037F1F93505A14734@bplwired2> Ziviya wrote: I don't own a television or listen to the radio often[1] , so i would like a quick mass-market reality check from the big wide world of listees, please I just heard a commercial on the radio, that people who are addicted to over-the-counter medicine should tell their doctors, and get help. there were an alternating male and female voice. it started off the same for both, woe is me, my work is wrecked, my home life is wrecked, i'm afraid to tell anyone, i finally told my doc and got help. (so far so good) the last 2 lines of this advert rather shocked me. woman: my daughter got her mother back. man: i finally got my life back. what? doesn't the woman get her life back too? or is her life supposed to be fulfilled by her daughters happiness in getting mommy back? does she have no identity of her own? i thought women are no longer defined as "ma kosti' , 'someone's mother' or 'someone's wife'. is this a fluke, or did mass marketing not get the news flash that women have lives, too? To which I add - I noticed the very same thing in an annoyed way. There are bumper stickers and license plate holders that say things like "Michelle's Mom" or "Brandon's Grandmother" so I guess it shouldn't surprise me but I felt upset at this one. Alison From vlecuyer at ksu.edu Mon Dec 12 16:38:49 2005 From: vlecuyer at ksu.edu (Victoria L'Ecuyer) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Narnia Read-Alikes (Was Winter Reading OT:) In-Reply-To: <200512111030.jBBAUT1V016114@lists.herald.co.uk> References: <200512111030.jBBAUT1V016114@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <439DA799.1030008@ksu.edu> From: "Kirsten Edwards" What books would you recommend to a child or teenager who has seen the movie or read the book, "The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe?" Me: Susan Cooper, The Dark is Rising series 1) Young adult 2) Some of the characters have magic and some don't, but all deal with heroic legends (Arthurian and others). The children have to work together and separately to complete different tasks that will gain them magical talismans. They then have to use those talismans to thwart the rising dark. 3) The books are set in England and each have a different focus. One boy is a wizard, the last one born to a magic circle. He has to learn how to use his powers from a local wizard while protecting a secret symbol/magical talisman. One is about three siblings (two boys, one girl) who with their uncle's help (He was the local wizard in the other book) have to find a treasure/talisman located with a treasure map and a riddle before the dark agents can. The fifth child is a foundling (lost prince) who makes friends with the other four children. They have to find out who he is and why the dark agents keep trying to control him. Victoria From sjgerman at sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 12 17:54:31 2005 From: sjgerman at sbcglobal.net (Sherry German) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT Message-ID: <007e01c5ff46$7d81a850$399ce704@SherryBusiness> I think that statistically women are considered to be more likely to do something for someone else than for themselves. I would think the adverstising is attempting to exploit this. From riz_lists at yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 12 18:52:20 2005 From: riz_lists at yahoo.co.uk (rizwana z) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Narnia Read-Alikes (Was Winter Reading OT:) In-Reply-To: <20051210.113309.6138.103644@webmail29.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: <20051212185220.60102.qmail@web25911.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Im actually a medical librarian (in the middle of cataloguing cancer patient literature as I write!) so Im not really that knowledgable about children or teen literature (except my 9 year old niece's obsession with all things Jacqueline Wilson) but I'd personally recommend Michael Ende's THE NEVERENDING STORY which is nothing like the movie (IT ISNT! IT JUST ISNT!). Its a glorious gorgeous fantasy for children(9+), teens and adults about a boy who becomes part of the fantasy world hes reading about, sees his own stories and characters come to life and goes on a personal journey of his own full of changes and self realisation. Im not very good at describing books I like so forgive me - Im sure someone else can define it better but it really is a wonderful read! :) luck n light riz Kirsten Edwards wrote: In honor of the new Narnia movie (the which I shall not see until Tuesday, thanks to the vagaries of babysitters and illnesses) I offer you this winter reading challenge to the list librarians (and anyone else likely to be interested, of course): What books would you recommend to a child or teenager who has seen the movie or read the book, "The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe?" Game rules 1. Book must be age-appropriate (i.e. tag either "child" or "teen" or "both"): example: THE LAST UNICORN (teen) vs. GRIMBOLD'S OTHER WORLD (child) or THE ENCHANTED FOREST CHRONICLES (all) 2. Must indicate *why* someone who liked TLTW&TW would also like this book. Needn't be terribly complex: THE LAST UNICORN (mythopoeic fantasy) GRIMBOLD'S (mythopoeic, likable English-y kid visits other world, redemption) ENCHANTED FOREST (riff on fairytales, talking beasts) 3. Must include brief summary of what the book is about. Emphasis is on "brief". Fannish librarians, unite! You have nothing to lose but your spare time better spent elsewhere or more amusingly! Kirsten ("yes, I do have ulterior motives") Edwards "Infantem dormientem non movere" ___________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 250MB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! -- Lois-Bujold mailing list Lois-Bujold@lists.herald.co.uk http://lists.herald.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lois-bujold --------------------------------- Play Santa's Celebrity Xmas Party, an exclusive game from Yahoo! From martin at bonham.net.nz Mon Dec 12 20:12:51 2005 From: martin at bonham.net.nz (Martin Bonham) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] re: a question of identity OT: In-Reply-To: <200512121201.jBCC05Ux028186@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <439E9093.32249.844B496@localhost> In a post in Lois-Bujold Digest, Vol 7, Issue 20 > From: > I just heard a commercial on the radio, [snip] > the last 2 lines of this advert rather shocked me. > woman: my daughter got her mother back. > man: i finally got my life back. I obviously haven't heard this advert, but my reaction to reading this was to wonder if you misheard - could it be "wife" not "life" ? That would match the line above. Martin. -- Martin Bonham, Auckland, (Aotearoa) New Zealand. Home of Middle Earth, Whale Rider, and now also King Kong and Narnia. From A.Hendon at BrooklynPublicLibrary.org Mon Dec 12 20:30:27 2005 From: A.Hendon at BrooklynPublicLibrary.org (Hendon, Alison) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] re: a question of identity OT: Message-ID: <7C952CC727B6A94BA342634037F1F93505A14861@bplwired2> In a post in Lois-Bujold Digest, Vol 7, Issue 20 > From: > I just heard a commercial on the radio, [snip] > the last 2 lines of this advert rather shocked me. > woman: my daughter got her mother back. > man: i finally got my life back. Martin added: I obviously haven't heard this advert, but my reaction to reading this was to wonder if you misheard - could it be "wife" not "life" ? That would match the line above. And I chime in: No, the man and woman weren't in the same scenes - it was definitely "life" from the guy (in other words, the woman wasn't his wife.) Alison (as far as I know) From mathews55 at msn.com Mon Dec 12 20:48:48 2005 From: mathews55 at msn.com (PAT MATHEWS) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Quote reference needed Message-ID: Can someone tell me the book in which Cordelia says (or Mark or Miles discovers - memory vague on this one) that human lives add as infinities rather than as integers? Thanks, Pat Living in a fantasy world - you say that like it's a bad thing. From ltdebo at juno.com Mon Dec 12 21:13:08 2005 From: ltdebo at juno.com (ltdebo@juno.com) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Twin Cities Folk to Dreamhaven Message-ID: <20051212.131346.11912.119315@webmail46.lax.untd.com> Yup, Twin Cities folk here, and I will be at the Dreamhaven reading. On my 4th wedding anniversary! I hope the hubby understands. I dragged him to a Lois reading at Balticon in '04 before I moved to the TC. Thanks for the anniversary gift, Lois! Jessica ___________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 250MB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From harimad2001 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 12 21:31:22 2005 From: harimad2001 at yahoo.com (J Selin) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] re: a question of identity OT: In-Reply-To: <200512121200.jBCC05Uw028186@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <20051212213122.19811.qmail@web53703.mail.yahoo.com> > ziviya, > i would like a quick mass-market reality check from the big > wide world of listees, please. I just heard a commercial > on the radio, that people who are addicted to over-the-counter > medicine should tell their doctors, and get help. the last > 2 lines of this advert rather shocked me. > woman: my daughter got her mother back. > man: i finally got my life back. > what? doesn't the woman get her life back too? or is her > life supposed to be fulfilled by her daughters happiness in > getting mommy back? does she have no identity of her own? i > thought women are no longer defined as "ma kosti', >'someone's mother' or 'someone's wife'. is this a fluke, or > did mass marketing not get the news flash that women have > lives, too? This is perfectly typical. In AdLand, women rarely exist for themselves while men almost always do. Watch pain medication ads. Anyone living alone takes care of zirself. A woman might get out of bed in the middle of the night, her husband sleeping peacefully away; I have *never* seen a man in the reverse situation. Women administer to sick kids, men rarely do. Men rarely hand women medication, women frequently do. A sick man has a bad day, a sick woman doesn't meet the needs of her family (often portrayed as doing a laughably bad job of everyday chores, such that it's less work for the woman to get up and do it right the first time -- since no one else can -- than to recover her strength). Nyquil is the notable exception and has been for decades. Not only does the man go out in the middle of the night to get Nyquil for the woman, he does it so she can give the important business presentation the next day. Go Nyquil! On the opposite end of the spectrum is a series of JC Penny ads. Slobish, often fat dad is eating breakfast, ignoring his hungry, squalling, mess-making kids. Eventually he asks "Where *is* your mother?" Cut to slender, fashionable mothers, shopping at JC Penny. The sound to the cut is along the lines of "Don't worry, dad! Mom will be home soon -- JC Penny's holiday sale is over at noon." I will never shop at a JC Penny's again. Harimad who watches carefully __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From billie_t at fastmail.fm Mon Dec 12 22:04:08 2005 From: billie_t at fastmail.fm (Tracy MacShane) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Narnia Read-Alikes (Was Winter Reading OT:) In-Reply-To: <439DA799.1030008@ksu.edu> References: <200512111030.jBBAUT1V016114@lists.herald.co.uk> <439DA799.1030008@ksu.edu> Message-ID: <1134425048.20003.249629928@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:38:49 -0600, "Victoria L'Ecuyer" said: > From: "Kirsten Edwards" > > > What books would you recommend to a child or teenager > who has seen the movie or read the book, "The Lion the > Witch and the Wardrobe?" > > Me: > Susan Cooper, The Dark is Rising series Oh YES! I was thinking about them just this morning (after I realised that my copy of The Grey King is *missing*. wuargh!) -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Does exactly what it says on the tin From cag at visi.com Mon Dec 12 22:56:26 2005 From: cag at visi.com (Carol Gaupp) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Dreamhaven Message-ID: <20051212225626.D9EE576C71@isis.visi.com> > Thanks so much for the information on the January 24 Dreamhaving > reading! I am SO there :) Are there many other Twin Cities folk > out there on the list? I imagine there must be a few... Yup, Twin Cities person here. Mostly lurkin' on the list. Carol From kevink45 at hotmail.com Mon Dec 12 23:00:21 2005 From: kevink45 at hotmail.com (Kevin Kennedy) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] RE:Narnia read-alikes In-Reply-To: <200512122132.jBCLWA5K014909@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: Hee-hee. My 16 year old nephew is getting _The Neverending Story_ for Christmas Just because he likes the movie. I'm giving him a break and saving the Bujold for his birthday. NS is one of my most favorite books. I may reread it this winter. I second the Susan Cooper series. You might check into Diana Wynne Jones too. I'll checkwhat I have when I get home, to refresh my memory about titles. Kevink > > Im actually a medical librarian (in the middle of cataloguing cancer >patient literature as I write!) so Im not really that knowledgable about >children or teen literature (except my 9 year old niece's obsession with >all things Jacqueline Wilson) but I'd personally recommend Michael Ende's >THE NEVERENDING STORY which is nothing like the movie (IT ISNT! IT JUST >ISNT!). Its a glorious gorgeous fantasy for children(9+), teens and adults >about a boy who becomes part of the fantasy world hes reading about, sees >his own stories and characters come to life and goes on a personal journey >of his own full of changes and self realisation. Im not very good at >describing books I like so forgive me - Im sure someone else can define it >better but it really is a wonderful read! :) > > luck n light > riz > From horsybird at gmail.com Tue Dec 13 02:47:29 2005 From: horsybird at gmail.com (Erin) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Haikus Message-ID: <1ba6819b0512121847y26cfe190w12310e9b260b8ae2@mail.gmail.com> >>In Japanese, canonically, three: Ha-i-ku. >>In other languages, usually two: Hai-ku. >>The difference is that Japanese (technically) doesn't have diphthongs. Yes-- Japanese doesn't have syllables quite the way English does; they're more like beats or time-counts. Therefore a single syllable, like "to," would be counted as one, but if the vowel is doubled (by adding an "o" to the end), it becomes two syllables, and the sound is held for twice as long as the single "to." (The city Tokyo, which Americans pronounce as "to - kee -yo," for example, is actually "to - o - kyo - o," with four Japanese syllables.) So haiku would be ha - i - ku, three syllables, by Japanese count. In English, though, I'd stick with calling it two, since I would guess few people are aware of how the Japanese language counts syllables. :) From mok4747 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 13 03:26:30 2005 From: mok4747 at yahoo.com (Miriam Krause) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] reading recommendations for kids In-Reply-To: <200512122132.jBCLWA5K014909@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <20051213032630.53629.qmail@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Seeing a recent post signed by Harimad reminded me that "The Blue Sword" by Robin McKinley is absolutely wonderful. I think at age 10 or however old I was I found it a little slow going to begin with, but it was totally worth sticking with it. And come to think of it, I was probably 12-13ish when I first read "Warrior's Apprentice." I appreciated a lot more of it when I reread it later, of course, but I do remember enjoying it that first time. Never too early to get 'em hooked, right? :) Miriam --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping From thnidu at yahoo.com Tue Dec 13 03:51:58 2005 From: thnidu at yahoo.com (Mark A. Mandel) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] [OT:] calling all librarians and cartoon lovers In-Reply-To: <26a857020512012322l9f758c3g4afb90756ffffd7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051213035158.17943.qmail@web31014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Cally Perry wrote: > "Unshelved" is a comic strip set in a library. It's wonderful: SECONDED!!! Mark Mandel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From thnidu at yahoo.com Tue Dec 13 03:56:44 2005 From: thnidu at yahoo.com (Mark A. Mandel) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] AKICOT:L Haikus In-Reply-To: <9e2c72630512120621o1f1eb5f4gd3575d49f1146767@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051213035644.18721.qmail@web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Luis Felipe Morales Knight wrote: > In Japanese, canonically, three: Ha-i-ku. But colloquially it may sound like two: ha-i-k'. The final /u/ is likely to be whispered and not noticeable to American ears. -- Dr. Whom, Consulting Linguist, Grammarian, Orthoepist, & Philological Busybody a.k.a. Mark A. Mandel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From countryboy66 at mchsi.com Tue Dec 13 04:01:10 2005 From: countryboy66 at mchsi.com (Countryboy) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: AKICIF: Lost Book OT: References: <20051206.002829.8820.59799@webmail39.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: <05c701c5ff99$dad6b330$6501a8c0@MainComputer> Kirsten Edwards noted: > Countryboy tagged it (THE TAKING by Dean > Koontz) and the patron confirmed it. > > Huzzah for the (memory of) a countryboy > (and to ramble in the new-mown, er, new- > Hmmm.. > down memory lane? The silver rain and the coyotes triggered the memory. Countryboy - getting ready for Christmas and the New Year. From thnidu at yahoo.com Tue Dec 13 04:04:08 2005 From: thnidu at yahoo.com (Mark A. Mandel) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Cool, in fact cold, link of the day: Arctic political campaigns OT: In-Reply-To: <9e2c72630512011205n75624748gcc4d2495e11b412@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051213040408.21993.qmail@web31014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > If by "your system" you mean "the American system".... on my more > cynical days I think it works like what Spider Jerusalem said in > TRANSMETROPOLITAN: > > http://the-couch.org/images/spidervoting.jpg A double-dactyl: Higgledy piggledy, Spider Jerusalem, Weirder than Gonzo and Wilderthan Duke, Lives in a comic called _Transmetropolitan_, Working a job at which Thompson would puke. m a m __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From thnidu at yahoo.com Tue Dec 13 04:11:36 2005 From: thnidu at yahoo.com (Mark A. Mandel) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Hallowed Hunt Comments In-Reply-To: <003e01c5f649$ffb318a0$06c23442@nwlink.com> Message-ID: <20051213041136.47337.qmail@web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Dan Tilque wrote: > BTW, does anyone else think it a bit odd that an animal spirit > helps one hear the gods, yet prevents one from entering into the > gods' post-life? Seems like a bit of contradiction there. Helps? I think the gods speak to whoever they want to, as long as the person is open to them. And the B'd has a special connection with the world of matter that the others don't, since his father (or whatever) was a demon, and demons can affect the world of matter. m a m __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From thnidu at yahoo.com Tue Dec 13 04:17:25 2005 From: thnidu at yahoo.com (Mark A. Mandel) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Lullaby for extremely twisted children? OT: In-Reply-To: <438E5C67.4090800@marna.ca> Message-ID: <20051213041725.26416.qmail@web31012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Oh, my, THANK YOU Marna for posting it. I just heard them sing it YESTERDAY at Philcon, and nearly fell out of my chair laughing. m a m --- Marna Nightingale wrote: > > I want to hear this sung. I want to hear this sung SO BAD (that longing > has stolen my -ly away) > > Contains Child abuse. Francis Child, not wee dear small persons. > > http://www.geocities.com/wingkitty/songs/abuse.html > > Marna. > -- > Lois-Bujold mailing list > Lois-Bujold@lists.herald.co.uk > http://lists.herald.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lois-bujold > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dtilque at nwlink.com Tue Dec 13 05:40:22 2005 From: dtilque at nwlink.com (Dan Tilque) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Hallowed Hunt Comments References: <20051213041136.47337.qmail@web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <016101c5ffa7$bce9fe00$7dc33442@nwlink.com> Mark A. Mandel wrote: > --- Dan Tilque wrote: > >> BTW, does anyone else think it a bit odd that an animal spirit >> helps one hear the gods, yet prevents one from entering into >> the gods' post-life? Seems like a bit of contradiction there. > > Helps? I think the gods speak to whoever they want to, as long > as the person is open to them. True, but having a animal spirit makes a person more open to the gods. It says so somewhere in HH, although I can't remember where off-hand. -- Dan Tilque From cessnadriver at gmail.com Tue Dec 13 06:24:16 2005 From: cessnadriver at gmail.com (James) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Haikus In-Reply-To: <1ba6819b0512121847y26cfe190w12310e9b260b8ae2@mail.gmail.com> References: <1ba6819b0512121847y26cfe190w12310e9b260b8ae2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3b8ab98e0512122224q1fd17e4lfcdfd0ff7154f398@mail.gmail.com> Hey, when you've got either 1 too many syllables or 1 too little, anything that allows a bit of flexibility in the interpretation is good! (Maybe I shouldn't comment. I can write some horrendous haiku. Think Vogon.) From jessybrody at gmail.com Tue Dec 13 14:08:10 2005 From: jessybrody at gmail.com (Jessy Brody) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Narnia Read-Alikes OT: Message-ID: Kirsten: > What books would you recommend to a child or teenager > who has seen the movie or read the book, "The Lion the > Witch and the Wardrobe?" Lloyd Alexander has written *lots* of stuff, but back when I reread the Chronicles of Narnia every year, I really liked his Prydain series (begins with The Book of Three); I've outgrown Prydain (tho not Narnia), but I still love his Westmark trilogy, which is a different kind of adventure. For bibliography: http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/a/lloyd-alexander/ JLB, who stayed up later than she should have reading Sayers -- Welcome to Triage -Kurt Vonnegut He was never noisy and lacked the dogmatism of the insecure -written of George Orwell From lbujold at myinfmail.com Tue Dec 13 15:18:20 2005 From: lbujold at myinfmail.com (Lois McMaster Bujold) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Hallowed Hunt Comments Message-ID: <439EE63C.4060707@myinfmail.com> *Dan Tilque* dtilque at nwlink.com /Tue Dec 13 05:40:22 GMT 2005/ Mark A. Mandel wrote: > / --- Dan Tilque > wrote: />/ />>/ BTW, does anyone else think it a bit odd that an animal spirit />>/ helps one hear the gods, yet prevents one from entering into />>/ the gods' post-life? Seems like a bit of contradiction there. />/ />/ Helps? I think the gods speak to whoever they want to, as long />/ as the person is open to them. / True, but having a animal spirit makes a person more open to the gods. It says so somewhere in HH, although I can't remember where off-hand. -- Dan Tilque Strictly speaking; it's the animal's spirit that is open; the human host just gets to eavesdrop, according to his or her own capacity. Which was why Ingrey had the frustrating sense of experiencing the god through a pinhole, while Ijada got a casement window. Trying to enter the post-life with an animal spirit on board is like trying to walk through a door carrying a canoe crosswise. There are ways to get both you and the canoe through, but that's just not it. Ta, L. -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/199 - Release Date: 12/13/2005 From phil.boswell at gmail.com Tue Dec 13 15:44:40 2005 From: phil.boswell at gmail.com (Phil Boswell) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] reading recommendations for kids In-Reply-To: <20051213032630.53629.qmail@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200512122132.jBCLWA5K014909@lists.herald.co.uk> <20051213032630.53629.qmail@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 13/12/05, Miriam Krause wrote: > Seeing a recent post signed by Harimad reminded me that "The Blue Sword" by > Robin McKinley is absolutely wonderful. I think at age 10 or however old I was I > found it a little slow going to begin with, but it was totally worth sticking with it. Also "The Hero and the Crown" from the same setting but IIRC some centuries earlier (I might have got them confused). I don't care what anyone says, I still have a bit of a crush on Harry Crewe (who's a *girl* before anybody wonders if I've been in the closet...it's short for "Angharad" which is still pretty cute but she hates it :-). ...and Aerin is a gorgeous red-head...need I say more? -- Phil From phil.boswell at gmail.com Tue Dec 13 15:46:43 2005 From: phil.boswell at gmail.com (Phil Boswell) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Haikus In-Reply-To: <3b8ab98e0512122224q1fd17e4lfcdfd0ff7154f398@mail.gmail.com> References: <1ba6819b0512121847y26cfe190w12310e9b260b8ae2@mail.gmail.com> <3b8ab98e0512122224q1fd17e4lfcdfd0ff7154f398@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 13/12/05, James wrote: > Hey, when you've got either 1 too many syllables or 1 too little, > anything that allows a bit of flexibility in the interpretation is > good! > (Maybe I shouldn't comment. I can write some horrendous haiku. Think Vogon.) Vogon haiku? I think we've got to see some of those to believe you [donning asbestos shorts ;-]... -- Phil From morgaine at zonnet.nl Tue Dec 13 16:36:40 2005 From: morgaine at zonnet.nl (Rowena) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Narnia Read-Alikes OT: In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <439EF898.2020702@zonnet.nl> I would like to suggest as recommendations: The books by Margaret Mahy. I've read only a few and those in Dutch and I don't recognize the titles. But I do remember liking them enormously. Real but odd people, exciting adventures. Fantasy starting in this world with some touching on other realms. (the once I read). I read the early teen section. for the 8+ group: 'the brothers Lionhart' adventure in a 'different world' friendship, good versus evil, moral choices, bravery, overcoming uncertanty, all in a medieval setting. No magic though. Might not be suitable for the very Christian (very in the sense of not wanting to read about different view) because of non-Christian after-life. for 10+ group: don't just recommend 'The Neverending Story' but als 'Momo' more absurdistic in a way, the evilforces are called the 'timesavers' and they look like caricature English bankers, going around convincing people to put their spare time in their bank. Momo has to save the town. Magic and surealistic. for 12+ group: The Earth Sea books by Ursula leGuin. It was my first grown up fantasy, read it when I was 11 on a poolside in Karachi (Pakistan). It was a heavy impact book ;-) If you recommend to someone reading Dutch or German: The books by Tonke Dragt. It is such an absolute shame there are so few of her books translated. One is, namely "The Towers of February: A Diary by an Anonymous (For the Time Being Author With Added Punctuation and Footnotes)" An alternative reality book, about time and calendars and leap years (hence February). Not an easy read by any means, but very exciting and puzzling if it grabs you. She wrote medieval adventure type books (great ones) and young adult scifi, very very good. Rowena Jessy Brody wrote: >Kirsten: > > >>What books would you recommend to a child or teenager >>who has seen the movie or read the book, "The Lion the >>Witch and the Wardrobe?" >> >> > >Lloyd Alexander has written *lots* of stuff, but back when I reread >the Chronicles of Narnia every year, I really liked his Prydain series >(begins with The Book of Three); I've outgrown Prydain (tho not >Narnia), but I still love his Westmark trilogy, which is a different >kind of adventure. > >For bibliography: http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/a/lloyd-alexander/ > >JLB, who stayed up later than she should have reading Sayers >-- >Welcome to Triage -Kurt Vonnegut >He was never noisy and lacked the dogmatism of the insecure -written >of George Orwell > > > From jbcroft at ou.edu Tue Dec 13 17:25:21 2005 From: jbcroft at ou.edu (Croft, Janet B.) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Narnia Read-Alikes OT: Message-ID: <616885FB42966548B07F9EBADA59E14205A48998@XMAIL.sooner.net.ou.edu> Not fantasy, but the same sort of spirit of self-reliant childhood adventure out from under the prying eyes of parents, and before adolescence rears its disturbing head -- although it sort of smacks of fantasy now that the era is past. A central character is a feisty girl who doesn't hold back because she's a girl, but isn't above using "feminine wiles" when necessary. Astrid Lindgren's Bill Bergson series -- Bill Bergson, Detective; Bill Berson Lives Dangerously; Bill Bergson and the White Rose Rescue -- set in a small Swedish town sometime in the fifties. Hard to get hold of but worth it -- I wish they'd be reissued! Janet From rachel at compromise.fsnet.co.uk Tue Dec 13 18:17:51 2005 From: rachel at compromise.fsnet.co.uk (Rachel Ganz) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Narnia Read-Alikes OT: Message-ID: <4126234.1134497871917.JavaMail.www@wwinf3103> > A central character is a feisty girl > who doesn't hold back because she's a girl, but isn't above using > "feminine wiles" when necessary. Astrid Lindgren's Bill Bergson series > -- Bill Bergson, Detective; Bill Berson Lives Dangerously; Bill Bergson > and the White Rose Rescue -- set in a small Swedish town sometime in the > fifties. Hard to get hold of but worth it -- I wish they'd be reissued! I remember a formidable discussion about the feminist credentials of "Pippi Longstocking". While she was feisty, Tommy and Anneka were highly-stereotypical. I know we always see ourselves as the heroines - but we're more likely to end up as supporting characters, so it's worth checking what their roles are too. Rachel From becca_price at yahoo.com Tue Dec 13 18:54:25 2005 From: becca_price at yahoo.com (Becca Price) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] AKICOTL: double-dactyl In-Reply-To: <20051213040408.21993.qmail@web31014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051213185425.40842.qmail@web34202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> oh! does anyone know the double-dactyl that begins: HIggledy piggledy Emily Dickenson Didn't think spinsterhood much of a curse... I can't remember the last part, except the rhyme was 'verse' -becca --- "Mark A. Mandel" wrote: > > A double-dactyl: > > Higgledy piggledy, > Spider Jerusalem, > Weirder than Gonzo and > Wilderthan Duke, > > Lives in a comic called > _Transmetropolitan_, > Working a job at which > Thompson would puke. > > m a m > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection > around > http://mail.yahoo.com > -- > Lois-Bujold mailing list > Lois-Bujold@lists.herald.co.uk > http://lists.herald.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lois-bujold > ======================== "Three things in human life are important. The first is to be kind. The second is to be kind. The third is to be kind." -Henry James __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From megj at nwlink.com Tue Dec 13 19:16:36 2005 From: megj at nwlink.com (MegJ) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Narnia Read-Alikes OT: References: Message-ID: <009901c60019$e3e1db50$86c33442@meg> > Kirsten: > > What books would you recommend to a child or teenager > > who has seen the movie or read the book, "The Lion the > > Witch and the Wardrobe?" Speaking as probably the only librarian out there who hasn't read the the books, well... Did see the movie yesterday, with a friend who really wanted to and doesn't like to go to the movies alone, and I can't say I was terribly impressed. The CGI was very good, the kids were cute, but the story struck me as watered-down LotR with a nice moral whap on the head added in for good measure. I'm sure the book must have been much better -- it would have to be, to stay a classic all these years. Not that the movie made me want to read it or anything. Megaera dodging nimbly From nlbarber at alum.emory.edu Tue Dec 13 20:42:25 2005 From: nlbarber at alum.emory.edu (Nancy L. Barber) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] AKICOTL: double-dactyl In-Reply-To: <20051213185425.40842.qmail@web34202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051213185425.40842.qmail@web34202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >oh! does anyone know the double-dactyl that begins: > >HIggledy piggledy >Emily Dickenson >Didn't think spinsterhood >much of a curse... > >I can't remember the last part, except the rhyme was 'verse' > >-becca > >--- "Mark A. Mandel" wrote: > >> >> A double-dactyl: >> >> Higgledy piggledy, >> Spider Jerusalem, >> Weirder than Gonzo and >> Wilderthan Duke, >> >> Lives in a comic called >> _Transmetropolitan_, >> Working a job at which >> Thompson would puke. >> >> m a m >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection >> around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> -- >> Lois-Bujold mailing list >> Lois-Bujold@lists.herald.co.uk >> http://lists.herald.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lois-bujold >> > > >======================== >"Three things in human life are important. The first is to be kind. >The second is to be kind. The third is to be kind." > >-Henry James > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >-- >Lois-Bujold mailing list >Lois-Bujold@lists.herald.co.uk >http://lists.herald.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lois-bujold From nlbarber at alum.emory.edu Tue Dec 13 20:44:28 2005 From: nlbarber at alum.emory.edu (Nancy L. Barber) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] AKICOTL: double-dactyl In-Reply-To: <20051213185425.40842.qmail@web34202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051213185425.40842.qmail@web34202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At 10:54 AM -0800 12/13/05, Becca Price wrote: >oh! does anyone know the double-dactyl that begins: > >HIggledy piggledy >Emily Dickenson >Didn't think spinsterhood >much of a curse... Fromthe Time archive, Letters, Mar. 17, 1967: http://time-proxy.yaga.com/time/archive/preview/0,10987,836787,00.html : Sir: Do you think I have nothing better to do than play double-dactyl rhyme games [March 3]? I hope you know what you're doing when you put teasers like Hollander and Hecht's jiggery-pokeries in your magazine. I'm sending you mine; then I'll forget it. Higgledy-piggledy, Emily Dickinson Never thought spinsterhood Much of a curse. Frequently faulted as Contra-ubiquitous, Said as she died, "Well I Could have done verse." JOAN P. GRIMM Cincinnati Nancy Barber From marna at marna.ca Tue Dec 13 20:59:08 2005 From: marna at marna.ca (Marna Nightingale) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] AKICOTL: double-dactyl In-Reply-To: References: <20051213185425.40842.qmail@web34202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <439F361C.8000400@marna.ca> Nancy L. Barber wrote: > At 10:54 AM -0800 12/13/05, Becca Price wrote: > >> oh! does anyone know the double-dactyl that begins: >> >> HIggledy piggledy >> Emily Dickenson >> Didn't think spinsterhood >> much of a curse... I learned it as Higgeldy-Piggeldy Emily Dickensen Liked to use hyphens Instead of full stops Nowadays faced with such Idiosyncrasy Readers and editors Send for the cops. Also, talking of getting things out of one's head: Q: What did Macb*th say when he saw the approach of Birnam Wood to Dunismane? A: "Cheese it, the copse!" (Yes, it IS dreadful isn't it?) Marna. From rsuitor at gmail.com Tue Dec 13 21:42:41 2005 From: rsuitor at gmail.com (Richard Suitor) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] AKICOTL: double-dactyl In-Reply-To: <20051213185425.40842.qmail@web34202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051213040408.21993.qmail@web31014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20051213185425.40842.qmail@web34202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <65deb8130512131342sab63e88x2ceca40a8564517@mail.gmail.com> On 12/13/05, Becca Price wrote: > oh! does anyone know the double-dactyl that begins: > > HIggledy piggledy > Emily Dickenson > Didn't think spinsterhood > much of a curse... > > I can't remember the last part, except the rhyme was 'verse' Not what you requested (AFAIK), but - Evenings she spent with pen, Candle, and foolscap sub- liming incipient Passion in verse. Richard From mathews55 at msn.com Tue Dec 13 22:58:13 2005 From: mathews55 at msn.com (PAT MATHEWS) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] AKICOTL: double-dactyl In-Reply-To: <439F361C.8000400@marna.ca> Message-ID: >From: Marna Nightingale > >Nancy L. Barber wrote: >>At 10:54 AM -0800 12/13/05, Becca Price wrote: >> >>>oh! does anyone know the double-dactyl that begins: >>> >>>HIggledy piggledy >>>Emily Dickenson >>>Didn't think spinsterhood >>>much of a curse... > >I learned it as > >Higgeldy-Piggeldy >Emily Dickensen >Liked to use hyphens >Instead of full stops > >Nowadays faced with such >Idiosyncrasy >Readers and editors >Send for the cops. > >Also, talking of getting things out of one's head: > >Q: What did Macb*th say when he saw the approach of Birnam Wood to >Dunismane? > >A: "Cheese it, the copse!" > >(Yes, it IS dreadful isn't it?) > >Marna. Just for that --- when the Free Amazons decided to take up archery and be outlaws in the woods, what were they called? Bois in the Hood. From jessybrody at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 00:00:57 2005 From: jessybrody at gmail.com (Jessy Brody) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Narnia movie (was, Narnia Read-Alikes) Message-ID: Megaera: > Speaking as probably the only librarian out there who hasn't read the the > books, well... > Did see the movie yesterday, with a friend who really wanted to and doesn't > like to go to the movies alone, and I can't say I was terribly impressed. > The CGI was very good, the kids were cute, but the story struck me as > watered-down LotR with a nice moral whap on the head added in for good > measure. I'm sure the book must have been much better -- it would have to > be, to stay a classic all these years. Not that the movie made me want to > read it or anything. (indulges in some Anglo-Saxon, directed at Disney. Also, Peter Jackson, and that bloated she-lob known as Hollywood. Clears throat.) Well, I'd already decided I'm not never going to see the movie - I really, really like the pictures I have in my head of Aslan and Co., and they've been since I was seven; bad enough I kept getting Elijah Woods face when I tried to read LotR last - and now I'm just that much more definite. I didn't think they would get the spirit of the thing; and so much of that is bound up in C.S. Lewis' writing, for me, which obviously doesn't make it to the screen. Because the Chronicles should not watered-down LotR, and there's certainly morality in the books, but not a whappy kind. And for the record I reread all seven books annually all through elementary and middle school and it was only when I was 15 or 16 that I realized that there's all this Christian stuff in them. Give the books a chance, I say, and try not to think about the film while you're reading. JLB, who will not spend the rest of the evening Bothering herself over What They Did, because it's Finals Time, and she's got More Important Things to worry about, like 40 pages of Greek, godhelpme -- Welcome to Triage -Kurt Vonnegut He was never noisy and lacked the dogmatism of the insecure -written of George Orwell From margdean at erols.com Wed Dec 14 02:32:41 2005 From: margdean at erols.com (Margaret Dean) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] AKICOT:L: Mourning Customs Message-ID: <439F8449.CEB9278A@erols.com> Does anyone know a good place to find out about mourning customs of the early 19th Century? I'm particularly interested in periods of mourning, what mourning dress for men and women consisted of (especially "half-mourning"), and what activities a person in mourning could and could not properly engage in. Links would be great, resources in print would be okay too. Thanks in advance, --Margaret Dean From celticdragonfly at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 02:57:07 2005 From: celticdragonfly at gmail.com (Laura Gallagher) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] AKICOT:L: Mourning Customs In-Reply-To: <439F8449.CEB9278A@erols.com> References: <439F8449.CEB9278A@erols.com> Message-ID: <209a74ed0512131857ub481810wcc4aabb8ca439d37@mail.gmail.com> Margaret wrote: > Does anyone know a good place to find out about mourning customs > of the early 19th Century? I'm particularly interested in > periods of mourning, what mourning dress for men and women > consisted of (especially "half-mourning"), and what activities a > person in mourning could and could not properly engage in. > > Links would be great, resources in print would be okay too. Bother, Cathy's Regency Page and subpages are down. She had a specific page on mourning. http://www.pemberley.com/janeinfo/ppbrokil.html has a few examples of mourning dresses http://ky.essortment.com/victorianmourni_rlse.htm is Victorian, so later 19th century (Man, when Heinlein described Friday getting sidetracked on computer searches, he sure nailed what it's like. I just got sidetracked onto finding a webpage about a museum dedicated to early historical contraceptives.) In print, possibly Writer's Guide to Everyday Life in Regency and Victorian England from 1811-1901 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/158297280X/103-8681540-9116634?v=glance&n=283155 http://www.rc.umd.edu/reviews/back/behrendt.html reviews another book that might not be as helpful but might interest you. Laura Gallagher From adkinslawfirm at mindspring.com Wed Dec 14 03:36:26 2005 From: adkinslawfirm at mindspring.com (Marty L. Adkins) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] calling all librarians OT: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20051213222451.01cb7608@pop.mindspring.com> Herewith lots of good stuff; enjoy! Jerrie, Cute When Enthusiastic. Jay Williams. Hero From Otherwhere [10+]. While waiting outside the principal's office for fighting, two boys find themselves transported to another world, where they must learn to work together. People of the Axe [10+]. A young man is sent on a quest to find out why his people's enemies seemingly suddenly have advanced weapons. Alexander Key The Forgotten Door [9+]. A young man has lost his memory and must find the way home ahead of his enemies. The Magic Meadow [9+]. A hospital ward of disabled and injured children find themselves transported to a meadow. Andre Norton Lavender-Green Magic [10+]. A girl and her siblings must adapt to living with their grandparents in a New England town where history is closer than they think. Octagon Magic [9+]. Using a model of a 19th-century dollhouse, a girl travels into the past for special adventures. Red Hart Magic [9+]. Two children thrust together in the present learn to work together in the past at a magical inn. H. M. Hoover Children of Morrow [10+]. Two children undergo a physically rigorous journey to find the people whose voices they hear in their heads. The Lost Star [10+]. Stranded at an archeological dig on another planet, an astronomy student solves a mystery involving the local aliens. From adkinslawfirm at mindspring.com Wed Dec 14 03:39:04 2005 From: adkinslawfirm at mindspring.com (Marty L. Adkins) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Two fun links OT: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20051210140209.01d26020@pop.mindspring.com> Two albums of science songs to download from Science Groove: http://www.science-groove.org/Now/ Tree Decorating 101--the cat way: http://www.fluffytails.ca/christmas.asp Jerrie From pgranzeau at cox.net Wed Dec 14 03:18:59 2005 From: pgranzeau at cox.net (Peter H. Granzeau) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] AKICOTL: double-dactyl In-Reply-To: <65deb8130512131342sab63e88x2ceca40a8564517@mail.gmail.com> References: <20051213040408.21993.qmail@web31014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20051213185425.40842.qmail@web34202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <65deb8130512131342sab63e88x2ceca40a8564517@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20051213220636.025670e0@cox.net> At 04:42 PM 12/13/2005, Richard Suitor wrote: >On 12/13/05, Becca Price wrote: > > oh! does anyone know the double-dactyl that begins: > > > > HIggledy piggledy > > Emily Dickenson > > Didn't think spinsterhood > > much of a curse... > > > > I can't remember the last part, except the rhyme was 'verse' > >Not what you requested (AFAIK), but - > >Evenings she spent with pen, >Candle, and foolscap sub- >liming incipient >Passion in verse. One of the rules of the double dactyl is that either the fifth or the sixth line must be a single word. I had a trivia question elsewhere which I answered with an imperfect double dactyl. The question was, "Who was Randel Striboneen, and what was his connection with "On the Town"? Higgledy Piggledy, Leonard (n) Bernstein did Sing a bit part in a show He composed. Anagramatically, Pseudonymically, 'Twas "On the Town", and his role was exposed. Unfortunately, one of the first rules of the DD was violated by the subject, as his name does not in itself constitute a double dactyl. -- Regards, Pete pgranzeau@cox.net From mtraber251 at earthlink.net Wed Dec 14 05:14:28 2005 From: mtraber251 at earthlink.net (M Traber) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] AKICOT:L: Mourning Customs In-Reply-To: <209a74ed0512131857ub481810wcc4aabb8ca439d37@mail.gmail.com> References: <439F8449.CEB9278A@erols.com> <209a74ed0512131857ub481810wcc4aabb8ca439d37@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <439FAA34.5040708@earthlink.net> Laura Gallagher wrote: > I just got sidetracked onto finding a webpage about a museum dedicated to early historical contraceptives. > > > Link? From cessnadriver at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 06:08:11 2005 From: cessnadriver at gmail.com (James) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Haikus In-Reply-To: References: <1ba6819b0512121847y26cfe190w12310e9b260b8ae2@mail.gmail.com> <3b8ab98e0512122224q1fd17e4lfcdfd0ff7154f398@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3b8ab98e0512132208q64587c4aw7738939a9c226fd9@mail.gmail.com> Make me do haiku Which I compose on the spot No way is it good. From billie_t at fastmail.fm Wed Dec 14 08:17:57 2005 From: billie_t at fastmail.fm (Tracy MacShane) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] calling all librarians OT: In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20051213222451.01cb7608@pop.mindspring.com> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20051213222451.01cb7608@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <1134548277.25746.249756683@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:36:26 -0500, "Marty L. Adkins" said: > Herewith lots of good stuff; enjoy! > > Jerrie, Cute When Enthusiastic. > ... > H. M. Hoover > > Children of Morrow [10+]. Two children undergo a physically rigorous > journey to find the people whose voices they hear in their heads. > Jerrie, Jerrie, Jerrie. You've brought back some of the BEST memories of my adolescent reading. H.M Hoover. Isn't she marvellous? Treasures of Morrow is the follow-up, when they go back to their place of origin, and Things Ensue. Just as good as the first one. Also, by Hoover, but not on-topic (in regards to Narnia read-alikes) is The Rains of Eridan. Desert-like world sprouts nasty things when it rains. Fascinating book. She really got me interested in anthropology and biology at that age. Oh yes, and while the emotions and relationships are important in the books, they are not overdone at all. I like her restrained writing style. Regarding Andre Norton, Steel Magic is another in that series that I really enjoyed. And someone else (Rowena?) mentioned Margaret Mahy. I totally and thoroughly recommend all her books, but the one I immediately think that's most on-topic is The Changeover. 13-year-old girl's brother is taken (not physically) by a demon, and she has dealings with (essentially) good witches to get him back. In a way, almost the mirror image of the Narnia books - her dealings with the witches are positive, finding your own power (in yourself) is a great thing, and sex is not threatening. Powerful, and something to be cautious with, but not a *threat*. But the book is very definitely PG, so don't worry about icky stuff for adolescents there. -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Choose from over 50 domains or use your own From morgaine at zonnet.nl Wed Dec 14 09:58:26 2005 From: morgaine at zonnet.nl (Rowena) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] [OT:] piece of trivia about Narnia film Message-ID: <439FECC2.60806@zonnet.nl> I just read that in Dutch cinema's 2 versions of the Narnia film will be showed. This is not uncommon with foreign childeren films. One version will be in it original language and subtitled (as is common over here) and a dubbed version, usually for the younger audiance. But generally there is no conscience effort made to change the dubbed version in any other way than the translation. For Narnia they have done the latter. The script is rewritten in such a way that with the same images the film can be judged suitable for a younger age group. The English&subtitled version is aproved for 12+ and the Dutch-dubbed version is for 6+. I find this weird!!!!! Rowena From bhrperry at comcast.net Wed Dec 14 14:49:42 2005 From: bhrperry at comcast.net (Bruce Perry) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:51 2006 Subject: [LMB] AKICOT:L: Mourning Customs Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20051214094205.01f183c8@mail.comcast.net> There's a museum of mourning art in the Philadelphia area. It's open by appointment only, so call before you go. If memory serves, it's located on the grounds of a cemetery. Here's a description of it. http://www.gophila.com/C/Countryside/382/Delaware_County/243/Museums_and_Galleries_in_Delaware_County/476/U/Museum_of_Mourning_Art/59.html Here's another review of it. http://www.fieldtrip.com/pa/02595800.htm From bhrperry at comcast.net Wed Dec 14 14:59:54 2005 From: bhrperry at comcast.net (Bruce Perry) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Thanks for the Thud info Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20051214094951.01f18e70@mail.comcast.net> Thank you to all who contributed. I'm still intrigued, but will probably wait to get it till some retailer on this side of the pond has it. I did see the book "Where's My Cow?" in a bookstore recently. It's mostly the "correct" version, but does have some of the Vimes variations. Bruce From celticdragonfly at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 15:40:52 2005 From: celticdragonfly at gmail.com (Laura Gallagher) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: contraception museum, was AKICOT:L: Mourning Customs Message-ID: <209a74ed0512140740w3c6a3808n913a69f71eb37c52@mail.gmail.com> > Laura Gallagher wrote: > > I just got sidetracked onto finding a webpage about a museum dedicated to early historical contraceptives. M. Taber wrote: > Link? http://desires.com/1.6/Sex/Museum/museum1.html From selene at earthlink.net Wed Dec 14 16:04:06 2005 From: selene at earthlink.net (Susan Fox) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] [OT:] piece of trivia about Narnia film Message-ID: <43A04276.9080601@earthlink.net> Rowena writes: >I just read that in Dutch cinema's 2 versions of the Narnia film will be >showed. This is not uncommon with foreign childeren films. One version >will be in it original language and subtitled (as is common over here) >and a dubbed version, usually for the younger audiance. But generally >there is no conscience effort made to change the dubbed version in any >other way than the translation. >For Narnia they have done the latter. The script is rewritten in such a >way that with the same images the film can be judged suitable for a >younger age group. The English&subtitled version is aproved for 12+ and >the Dutch-dubbed version is for 6+. I find this weird!!!!! I have the sneaking suspicion that they may cut down the battle scenes a bit for the dubbed version for the younger children. Those were awfully scary even if the combatants were obviously not human beings. You might want to find out the running time of each version and see if they are diffent. I'm not sure if you meant "no conscious effort..." or if you were implying that "conscience" might lead to editing for the tiny tots! I've finally seen the film and enjoyed it very much. Yes, they streamlined the story and added some motivation to Susan in particular that was not there before, but it all "felt" right enough to satisfy me and I'm a notorious book-purist. Fabulous creature work, I am greatly looking forward to their treatment of important animal characters in the next book. [And I had to admire the gryphon air power; Ms. L*ck* & Mr. Dixon are going to squee with delight.] The Narnia films will have two less problems than the Harry Potter films: 1. All the books are written already. The author is not going to spring any interesting, unpalatable nor unfilmable surprises on the studio. 2. Carefully composed to avoid spoilers: Not all the children are in all the books, so if there is an 18-month filming gap in a story that takes place only one year later, it won't amount to kids being three years too old by the end of the series as is likely for the Potter films. The one tricky one will be Eustace, who is a major character in #3, #4 and #7. Should they shoot #7 before #5 and #6, which are non-sequential anyway? Or just make #7 take place when Eustace is a later teenager anyway? It might play just as well that way. Susan Fox / Ma Foxti selene@earthlink.net From morgaine at zonnet.nl Wed Dec 14 16:48:55 2005 From: morgaine at zonnet.nl (Rowena) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] [OT:] piece of trivia about Narnia film In-Reply-To: <43A04276.9080601@earthlink.net> References: <43A04276.9080601@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <43A04CF7.1020805@zonnet.nl> Susan Fox wrote: > I have the sneaking suspicion that they may cut down the battle scenes > a bit for the dubbed version for the younger children. Those were > awfully scary even if the combatants were obviously not human beings. > You might want to find out the running time of each version and see if > they are diffent. > yes, it had crossed my mind aswell, and lo and behold a 20 minutes difference. This might well be with an eye on the violence but I guess also to make the length 6+ acceptable. (125 minutes is still loooooong for most of that agegroup) Dutch film assesment uses symbols, both the 12 year and the 6 year old version have the symbols for violence and for scary stuff (creatures, earthquakes and such). > I'm not sure if you meant "no conscious effort..." or if you were > implying that "conscience" might lead to editing for the tiny tots! > I meant that all translation involves change of some sort. I meant that generally there was no such policy of doing a kind of adaptation in translation. But it does makes perfect sense from a marketing point of view, now there are 2 markets to cater to. Rowena From phil.boswell at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 16:50:39 2005 From: phil.boswell at gmail.com (Phil Boswell) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] [OT:] piece of trivia about Narnia film In-Reply-To: <43A04276.9080601@earthlink.net> References: <43A04276.9080601@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On 14/12/05, Susan Fox wrote: [snip] > The Narnia films will have two less problems than the Harry Potter films: > 1. All the books are written already. The author is not going to spring any > interesting, unpalatable nor unfilmable surprises on the studio. Not "unfilmable" with today's technology, anyway, for which good ol' Harry and his pals from Middle-Earth have to take afair bit of credit :-) > 2. Carefully composed to avoid spoilers: Not all the children are in all the books, > so if there is an 18-month filming gap in a story that takes place only one year > later, it won't amount to kids being three years too old by the end of the series > as is likely for the Potter films. The one tricky one will be Eustace, who is a > major character in #3, #4 and #7. Should they shoot #7 before #5 and #6, > which are non-sequential anyway? Or just make #7 take place when Eustace > is a later teenager anyway? It might play just as well that way. Don't forget that the four Pevensies turn up at the end of #7, as indeed does the old Professor. With the aid of Clusty, I came up with this: http://www.thenarniafansite.com/narnianhistory.php LWW is in 1940, our time, LB in 1949. So the four Pevensies should theoretically have aged 9 years by the last film. HTH HAND -- Phil From A.Hendon at BrooklynPublicLibrary.org Wed Dec 14 16:58:44 2005 From: A.Hendon at BrooklynPublicLibrary.org (Hendon, Alison) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] [OT:] piece of trivia about Narnia film Message-ID: <7C952CC727B6A94BA342634037F1F93505A14CCB@bplwired2> Phil wrote: Don't forget that the four Pevensies turn up at the end of #7, as indeed does the old Professor. With the aid of Clusty, I came up with this: http://www.thenarniafansite.com/narnianhistory.php LWW isin 1940, our time, LB in 1949. So the four Pevensies should theoretically have aged 9 years by the last film. And I add: There was some debate about the children's ages somewhere - was it here? Where it seemed that they were older than the narnianhistory site would allow. This was I think based on them going to boarding school (particularly Lucy) which the original poster felt wouldn't happen till they were 13, so Lucy would be 13 in Prince Caspian and the rest older (15, 16, 17?) Alison From phil.boswell at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 17:05:14 2005 From: phil.boswell at gmail.com (Phil Boswell) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] [OT:] piece of trivia about Narnia film In-Reply-To: <7C952CC727B6A94BA342634037F1F93505A14CCB@bplwired2> References: <7C952CC727B6A94BA342634037F1F93505A14CCB@bplwired2> Message-ID: On 14/12/05, Hendon, Alison wrote: > Phil wrote: > > With the aid of Clusty, I came up with this: > > http://www.thenarniafansite.com/narnianhistory.php > > LWW isin 1940, our time, LB in 1949. So the four Pevensies should > > theoretically have aged 9 years by the last film. > And I add: > There was some debate about the children's ages somewhere - was it here? > Where it seemed that they were older than the narnianhistory site would > allow. This was I think based on them going to boarding school > (particularly Lucy) which the original poster felt wouldn't happen till they > were 13, so Lucy would be 13 in Prince Caspian and the rest older (15, 16, > 17?) Obviously that particular poster was unfamiliar with the tradition of sending small English people off to boarding school at the tender age of seven or eight :-( -- Phil From morgaine at zonnet.nl Wed Dec 14 17:12:23 2005 From: morgaine at zonnet.nl (Rowena) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] [OT:] piece of trivia about Narnia film In-Reply-To: <7C952CC727B6A94BA342634037F1F93505A14CCB@bplwired2> References: <7C952CC727B6A94BA342634037F1F93505A14CCB@bplwired2> Message-ID: <43A05277.3010709@zonnet.nl> Hendon, Alison wrote: >There was some debate about the children's ages somewhere - was it here? >Where it seemed that they were older than the narnianhistory site would >allow. This was I think based on them going to boarding school >(particularly Lucy) which the original poster felt wouldn't happen till they >were 13, so Lucy would be 13 in Prince Caspian and the rest older (15, 16, >17?) > > That surprises me because I've heard and read (both literary as real life) of childeren much younger than taht in boardingschools. In fact, citing a boardingschool information page: >>The term boarding school is derived from the usage to board in school, which means to stay or reside in the school. Many public schools ("private school" in American English) are boarding schools. They involve long-term separation from one's parents and culture, and thus give rise to a phenomenon known as the TCK or third culture kid. Pupils may be sent to boarding schools between the ages of two and eighteen; they can be sent to any number of specific types of boarding schools, from nursery boarding schools (or Kindergarten boarding schools) to senior preparatory boarding schools. The amount of time one spends in boarding school also varies considerably, from a brief period of 1 year to more than 12 years in boarding school<< Thus hardly no infromation to be gained from just the fact of boardingschool- attendance Rowena From mtraber251 at earthlink.net Wed Dec 14 19:26:19 2005 From: mtraber251 at earthlink.net (M Traber) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: contraception museum, was AKICOT:L: Mourning Customs In-Reply-To: <209a74ed0512140740w3c6a3808n913a69f71eb37c52@mail.gmail.com> References: <209a74ed0512140740w3c6a3808n913a69f71eb37c52@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43A071DB.7070601@earthlink.net> Laura Gallagher wrote:Thanks for the link, fascinating From mike at dendarii.co.uk Wed Dec 14 18:43:33 2005 From: mike at dendarii.co.uk (Michael Bernardi) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Hill House Publishers calling re: Lois Bujold... Message-ID: <3086.mike@dendarii.co.uk> I have just got this from Hill House, who have published the really wonderful hardback edition of Hallowed Hunt. Mike We're running a Holiday Special on Lois' beautiful Hill House edition of THE HALLOWED HUNT -- any chance you can get the word out? Here's a link: http://www.hillhousepublishers.com/news051208.htm Hill House, Publishers: Newsletter -- 8 December 2005 Many thanks, --Al Sarrantonio But this book is a very cool object on the table! -- "The book is not an object on the table, it is an event in the reader's mind. It's a process, through which an idea in my mind triggers an idea, more-or-less corresponding, in yours. The words on paper are merely the means to this end, a think-by-numbers set, a bottled daydream. The book, therefore, is only finished when somebody reads it." -- Lois McMaster Bujold (The Unsung Collaborator) From morgaine at zonnet.nl Wed Dec 14 20:41:05 2005 From: morgaine at zonnet.nl (Rowena) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] good news!! Message-ID: <43A08361.7080201@zonnet.nl> at least, I hope, I think..... a new filming of Ursula Le Guin's Earth Sea Triology, this time by Studio Ghibli (the makers of Spirited away, Howl's moving Castle and Princess Monoko). http://www.nausicaa.net/miyazaki/earthsea/ it is supposed to come out in July 2006 in Japan, so it will takes some time untill it gets overhere. But still, something to look forward to. Rowena From lisa.spurrier at virgin.net Wed Dec 14 19:13:45 2005 From: lisa.spurrier at virgin.net (Lisa Spurrier) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] [OT:] piece of trivia about Narnia film References: <7C952CC727B6A94BA342634037F1F93505A14CCB@bplwired2> Message-ID: <00f901c600f9$4db08ab0$43a4fc3e@lisa> Indeed. My father was sent to boarding school aged six. Lisa S ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Boswell" > Obviously that particular poster was unfamiliar with the tradition of > sending small English people off to boarding school at the tender age > of seven or eight :-( > -- -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/197 - Release Date: 09/12/2005 From billie_t at fastmail.fm Wed Dec 14 22:14:41 2005 From: billie_t at fastmail.fm (Tracy MacShane) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] good news!! Earthsea OT: In-Reply-To: <43A08361.7080201@zonnet.nl> References: <43A08361.7080201@zonnet.nl> Message-ID: <1134598481.24236.249817983@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:41:05 +0100, "Rowena" said: > at least, I hope, I think..... > > a new filming of Ursula Le Guin's Earth Sea Triology, this time by > Studio Ghibli (the makers of Spirited away, Howl's moving Castle and > Princess Monoko). > > http://www.nausicaa.net/miyazaki/earthsea/ > > it is supposed to come out in July 2006 in Japan, so it will takes some > time untill it gets overhere. But still, something to look forward to. > Hum. I wasn't that impressed with Howl's Moving Castle, although it looked gorgeous, and some of the character stuff (except Michael - why on earth was he, like, 10?) and dialogue was great. Way too much mucking around with the story (although the green slime was *perfect*). But I'm sure that Miyazaki would at least get the colour of the Earthsea protagonists right. And it could not be *worse* than the other recent "effort" (for want of a better word). -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Send your email first class From j-mag at brokersys.com Wed Dec 14 23:10:39 2005 From: j-mag at brokersys.com (J-Mag Guthrie) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: contraception museum, was AKICOT:L: Mourning Customs In-Reply-To: <43A071DB.7070601@earthlink.net> References: <209a74ed0512140740w3c6a3808n913a69f71eb37c52@mail.gmail.com> <43A071DB.7070601@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1134601839.8577.0.camel@gaia.home.brokersys.com> On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 14:26 -0500, M Traber wrote: > Laura Gallagher wrote:Thanks for the link, fascinating > > It's the dung ones that do it for me. I cannot imagine voluntarily inserting dung into my body. -- - J-Mag http://www.brokersys.com/~j-mag From celticdragonfly at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 23:19:55 2005 From: celticdragonfly at gmail.com (Laura Gallagher) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: contraception museum, was AKICOT:L: Mourning Customs In-Reply-To: <1134601839.8577.0.camel@gaia.home.brokersys.com> References: <209a74ed0512140740w3c6a3808n913a69f71eb37c52@mail.gmail.com> <43A071DB.7070601@earthlink.net> <1134601839.8577.0.camel@gaia.home.brokersys.com> Message-ID: <209a74ed0512141519l3c3c129cy3d5b7aae6a6461ab@mail.gmail.com> > It's the dung ones that do it for me. I cannot imagine voluntarily > inserting dung into my body. > -- > - J-Mag I suspect it's all how it's presented. Think of Premarin, after all... Laura Gallagher From AndrewBarton at compuserve.com Wed Dec 14 23:40:25 2005 From: AndrewBarton at compuserve.com (Andrew Barton) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Narnia Read-Alikes OT: Message-ID: <200512141840_MC3-1-B311-44E3@compuserve.com> Kirsten: > What books would you recommend to a child or teenager > who has seen the movie or read the book, "The Lion the > Witch and the Wardrobe?" No-one seems to have mentioned the other six books in the Chronicles? Those who dislike the Christian elements might want to avoid 'The Last Battle' which has more of them than the rest of the series. In the last few years boxed sets of the Chronicles of Narnia have been repackaged so that volumes 1 - 7 are in internal chronological order. Volume 1 is now 'The Magician's Nephew', which includes the creation of Narnia and the origin story for the White Witch. The film is made from the first book in publication order. I've just been reading the 'Pocket Companion to Narnia' by Paul F Ford, which is pretty good but is full of spoilers for various volumes. These are carefully labelled, but I think reading it before you'd read all seven would be a frustrating experience. He recommends a reading order of 245-3617, which is the order in which Lewis completed them (slightly different from the publication order). That would be ... The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe Prince Caspian The Voyage of the Dawn Treader The Horse and His Boy The Silver Chair (published before HHB) The Magician's Nephew The Last Battle Lewis's own view was that it didn't much matter what order you read them in. Andrew From AndrewBarton at compuserve.com Thu Dec 15 00:27:06 2005 From: AndrewBarton at compuserve.com (Andrew Barton) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: piece of trivia about Narnia film [OT:] Message-ID: <200512141927_MC3-1-B28B-95DA@compuserve.com> Phil wrote: > With the aid of Clusty, I came up with this: > http://www.thenarniafansite.com/narnianhistory.php > LWW isin 1940, our time, LB in 1949. So the four Pevensies should > theoretically have aged 9 years by the last film. Hendon, Alison: > And I add: > There was some debate about the children's ages somewhere - was it here? > Where it seemed that they were older than the narnianhistory site would > allow. This was I think based on them going to boarding school > (particularly Lucy) which the original poster felt wouldn't happen till they > were 13, so Lucy would be 13 in Prince Caspian and the rest older (15, 16, 17?) The Ford book I mentioned recently [1] gives an appendix based on Lewis's own writings about the series. This confirms the 9-year gap between LWW and LB (MN takes place 40 years before LWW). In LWW Peter is 13, Susan 12, Edmund 10, Lucy 8. Eustace is at age 9 in both VDT and SC, 16 in LB. Prince Caspian is 13 in PC, 16 in VDT while for Edmund and Lucy the gap between the two stories is only a year. Some of the books are set with small intervals of time between them, but I don't think changing the dates would cause any problems. One of the strengths of the series is that the characters do change and grow between books. Andrew [1] 'Pocket Companion to Narnia' by Paul F Ford, see his website www.pford.stjohnsem.edu/ford/cslewis/narnia.htm Ford 'has been a student of the life and writings of CS Lewis since 1961'. From AndrewBarton at compuserve.com Thu Dec 15 00:27:04 2005 From: AndrewBarton at compuserve.com (Andrew Barton) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: piece of trivia about Narnia film [OT:] Message-ID: <200512141927_MC3-1-B28B-95D9@compuserve.com> On 14/12/05, Susan Fox wrote: [snip] > 2. Carefully composed to avoid spoilers: Not all the children are in all the books, > so if there is an 18-month filming gap in a story that takes place only one year > later, it won't amount to kids being three years too old by the end of the series > as is likely for the Potter films. The one tricky one will be Eustace, who is a > major character in #3, #4 and #7. Should they shoot #7 before #5 and #6, > which are non-sequential anyway? Or just make #7 take place when Eustace > is a later teenager anyway? It might play just as well that way. I've posted separately on the children's ages, Eustace already 'is a later teenager' in book #7 which for him is seven years later than his two previous appearances. I think these could be altered if necessary without doing violence to the story. Earth time and Narnia time do not run in step and I can't think of anything important about the specific dates in our world except for the general period of 'The Magician's Nephew' (set 40 years before the next book). Phil Boswell: > Don't forget that the four Pevensies turn up at the end of #7, as > indeed does the old Professor. /nitpick mode (1) Only three of the Pevensies. Susan was [I shall also be careful to avoid a major spoiler] not present for the event that brought the others to Narnia in 'The Last Battle'. (2) Two of the characters should appear as several years older in ... certain scenes ... in that book than they were in the rest of it. /end nitpick mode Andrew From arcangel at io.com Thu Dec 15 02:01:21 2005 From: arcangel at io.com (Elizabeth McCoy) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: contraception museum, was AKICOT:L: Mourning Customs In-Reply-To: <1134601839.8577.0.camel@gaia.home.brokersys.com> References: <209a74ed0512140740w3c6a3808n913a69f71eb37c52@mail.gmail.com> <43A071DB.7070601@earthlink.net> <1134601839.8577.0.camel@gaia.home.brokersys.com> Message-ID: At 5:10 PM -0600 12/14/05, J-Mag Guthrie wrote: >It's the dung ones that do it for me. I cannot imagine voluntarily >inserting dung into my body. Me either. Though DRINKING MERCURY is the one that has me pointing and going "MERCURY!" over and over. -- --Beth, arcangel@io.com http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ From morgaine at zonnet.nl Thu Dec 15 09:38:17 2005 From: morgaine at zonnet.nl (Rowena) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] good news!! Earthsea OT: In-Reply-To: <1134598481.24236.249817983@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <43A08361.7080201@zonnet.nl> <1134598481.24236.249817983@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <43A13989.6060704@zonnet.nl> Tracy MacShane wrote: >But I'm sure that Miyazaki would at least get the colour of the Earthsea >protagonists right. And it could not be *worse* than the other recent >"effort" (for want of a better word). > > Actually, it is Miyazaki junior who made the film, though it is a Ghbili studio production. Apperently his father was not in favour of him doing the project (don't know why). I also read that Ursula leGuin approved of the result, even though quite some liberties were taken with the story. Well I rather have a good film that isn't faithfull than a lousy one that is. But opinions may differ on that. I did like the Dragon from the poster. Rowena From patgund at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 11:50:49 2005 From: patgund at gmail.com (Patrick McKinnion) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: contraception museum, was AKICOT:L: Mourning Customs In-Reply-To: <209a74ed0512140740w3c6a3808n913a69f71eb37c52@mail.gmail.com> References: <209a74ed0512140740w3c6a3808n913a69f71eb37c52@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8d01ff780512150350i5fa50268nb744fbd062caf1c8@mail.gmail.com> On 12/14/05, Laura Gallagher wrote: > > Laura Gallagher wrote: > > > I just got sidetracked onto finding a webpage about a museum dedicated to early historical contraceptives. > > M. Taber wrote: > > Link? > > http://desires.com/1.6/Sex/Museum/museum1.html Many years ago, I gave a talk for a speech class on the history of contraception. Watching some of the audience's reaction was half the fun. - Patrick McKinnion From j-mag at brokersys.com Thu Dec 15 16:25:45 2005 From: j-mag at brokersys.com (J-Mag Guthrie) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: contraception museum, was AKICOT:L: Mourning Customs In-Reply-To: <209a74ed0512141519l3c3c129cy3d5b7aae6a6461ab@mail.gmail.com> References: <209a74ed0512140740w3c6a3808n913a69f71eb37c52@mail.gmail.com> <43A071DB.7070601@earthlink.net> <1134601839.8577.0.camel@gaia.home.brokersys.com> <209a74ed0512141519l3c3c129cy3d5b7aae6a6461ab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1134663945.13067.4.camel@gaia.home.brokersys.com> On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 17:19 -0600, Laura Gallagher wrote: > > It's the dung ones that do it for me. I cannot imagine voluntarily > > inserting dung into my body. > > -- > > - J-Mag > > I suspect it's all how it's presented. Think of Premarin, after all... > > Laura Gallagher Urine is gross, but it's sterile. -- - J-Mag http://www.brokersys.com/~j-mag From selene at earthlink.net Thu Dec 15 16:44:08 2005 From: selene at earthlink.net (Susan Fox) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: piece of trivia about Narnia film [OT:] Message-ID: <43A19D58.6060406@earthlink.net> Andrew Barton shares carefully-researched data about the relative ages of the characters in the Narnia series... thank you very much for that. So it looks as if they accomplish production in an expeditious but practical time-frame, it should all work out Just Fine. Unlike the Potter movies. Whew doggies! If they had made 14-year-olds like that when I was the same age, I would not have spent so much time dating older boys. Susan Fox / Ma Foxti selene@earthlink.net From phil.boswell at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 18:16:40 2005 From: phil.boswell at gmail.com (Phil Boswell) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: piece of trivia about Narnia film [OT:] In-Reply-To: <43A19D58.6060406@earthlink.net> References: <43A19D58.6060406@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On 15/12/05, Susan Fox wrote: > Andrew Barton shares carefully-researched data about the relative ages > of the characters in the Narnia series... thank you very much for that. > So it looks as if they accomplish production in an expeditious but > practical time-frame, it should all work out Just Fine. > Unlike the Potter movies. Whew doggies! If they had made 14-year-olds > like that when I was the same age, I would not have spent so much time > dating older boys. OTOH, some of the younger girls in our Church Youth Group, which starts at age 10, are already deceptively gorgeous. We had one young visitor who had all the boys' heads spinning, young gentlemen though they are (almost unanimously :-), and they weren't made to feel any better when they discovered that the reason she was acting so childishly was because she was actually only 11, rather than the 16 she appeared...ouch! -- Phil From headstream at earthlink.net Thu Dec 15 19:03:01 2005 From: headstream at earthlink.net (Steve Headstream) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] A Civil Campaign ... the Dinner Party Message-ID: <4298032.1134673381884.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I finished ACC again last night for at least the 8th time based on the residual bookmarks; it may be my general favorite, if only because I get to spend time with almost all of the (non-Dendarii) series characters to a greater or lesser degree. The dinner party is a don't-read-late-at-night-cause-the-laughing-wakes-up-my-wife scene. This may have been done before, but I joined the list well after ACC: I've tried to reconstruct the seating arrangements based on (text-ev?), and I would appreciate any feedback the list might have. Mark Kareen Ivan Vorthys Martya Enrique Tatya Profesora Rene Delia Kou Drou Olivia Duv Dono Ekaterin Alys Illyan Miles I put this together to help me visualize the conversations and movements. --Steve Denver From m.dolbear at lineone.net Thu Dec 15 20:29:22 2005 From: m.dolbear at lineone.net (Michael R N Dolbear) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] A Civil Campaign ... the Dinner Party Message-ID: <4ju3tt$2as41r@mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com> > From: Steve Headstream > Date: 15 December 2005 19:03 > > I finished ACC again last night for at least the 8th time [...] I've tried to reconstruct the seating arrangements based on (text-ev?), and I would appreciate any feedback the list might have. > Mark > Kareen Ivan > Vorthys Martya > Enrique Tatya > Profesora Rene > Delia Kou > Drou Olivia > Duv Dono > Ekaterin Alys > Illyan > Miles > I put this together to help me visualize the conversations and movements. ================= Date 28 September 1999 in milestogosnerks on Baens Bar Not to snip short an entertaining thread, but... I finally ended up using pink and blue post-it notes with the characters' names on them. I had, of course, to devise two seating arrangements, one for pre-Mark&Ivan's depredations, and a second final one. The *other* thing that made Ch. 9 a tour-de-force was having, in effect, one long scene (about 40 manuscript pages) with 23 named, speaking characters all on stage at once, keeping them all sorted out at all times. Checking my notebook, I find the final table arrangement went: Miles Alys Illyan Dono Ekaterin Olivia Duv Kou Drou Professora Delia Enrique Rene Martya Tatya Ivan Professor Kareen Mark Miles, that tactical genius, complains it took him an hour to arrange those people; I took *days* to hash it out. But then, my objectives and his weren't exactly congruent. Ta, Lois. ========== So you were nearly right, but notice Lois used "pink and blue post-it notes". Your arrangement has too many failures to have alternating M/F for the Guests. Little Egret From tlambs1138 at charter.net Fri Dec 16 03:13:17 2005 From: tlambs1138 at charter.net (Jean Lamb) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Tixie Not Quite Late, the First References: <200512141200.jBEC04NW024932@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <015801c601ee$a9df3660$6dedbe42@Samantha> All hail the already occurring birthday for Susan Fox-Davies, aka our very own Ma Foxti. (or as some of know her, "Queen of the Food Channel" and "Is it done yet? It's sure smelling like it's done!"). Faithful Companion concurs, and hopes there will be fish involved. Adjutant Birthday Tixie goes "Yaaaay!" and wishes she hadn't joined Weight Watchers in a fit of apparent insanity (even though she knows better, she goes back to the Transportation department at work and hints broadly to let her know if they get real French chocolate truffles from the Franche Porte people again, and averts her eyes from the shiny gold box that says "Godiva" on it). But you know, I can have everything I want. Just not all of it at once. However, I digress. May you have a wonderful birthday, Ma, and make someone else do the cleaning up! Jean Lamb, tlambs1138@charter.net "Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for you are crunchy and good with lemon drops." From carbonelle at juno.com Fri Dec 16 03:12:15 2005 From: carbonelle at juno.com (Kirsten Edwards) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Narnia reading order (Was another thread the which I am too lazy t o look up and type accurately) OT: Message-ID: <20051215.191233.6334.155262@webmail47.lax.untd.com> Andrew wrote about the publication order of the Narnia books that "Lewis's own view was that it didn't much matter what order you read them in." One of the rare instances where the author was mistaken about his own works. THE MAGICIAN'S NEPHEW contains spoilers for THE LION THE WITCH AND THE WARDROBE. (Indeed, there's a paragraph in the Beaver's house scene which *explicitly assumes* that the reader is just starting the series: "Now the four children have no more idea than you do who Aslan is" OWTTE But after reading the first story (TLTW&TW) any order is fine. Kirsten "Infantem dormientem non movere" ___________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 250MB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From tlambs1138 at charter.net Fri Dec 16 03:16:10 2005 From: tlambs1138 at charter.net (Jean Lamb) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Tixie Not Quite Late, Part the Second References: <200512141200.jBEC04NW024932@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <015c01c601ef$10d47b50$6dedbe42@Samantha> Our second vic-er, birthday person is our very own Scott Raun. Though somewhat quieter than the Other Scott (Mangos, sailing ships, etc), Scott Raun is definitely a valuable member of this list in his own right. May your birthday be sweet, filled with friends and books, and joyous. Also, may you get real birthday gifts and none of that combination garbage (my poor brother, born on the 20th--well, let's just say that when we were all much younger, combination was all us kids could afford). Hail to thee, Scott! Jean Lamb, tlambs1138@charter.net "Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for you are crunchy and good with lemon drops." From raye_j at yahoo.com Fri Dec 16 13:55:45 2005 From: raye_j at yahoo.com (Raye Johnsen) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Narnia reading order (Was another thread the which I am too lazy t o look up and type accurately) OT: In-Reply-To: <20051215.191233.6334.155262@webmail47.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: <20051216135545.43911.qmail@web50002.mail.yahoo.com> --- Kirsten Edwards wrote: > Andrew wrote about the publication order of the > Narnia books > that "Lewis's own view was that it didn't much > matter what > order you read them in." > > One of the rare instances where the author was > mistaken > about his own works. THE MAGICIAN'S NEPHEW contains > spoilers > for THE LION THE WITCH AND THE WARDROBE. (Indeed, > there's > a paragraph in the Beaver's house scene which > *explicitly > assumes* that the reader is just starting the > series: "Now > the four children have no more idea than you do who > Aslan > is" OWTTE > > But after reading the first story (TLTW&TW) any > order is > fine. I must respectfully disagree. My first experience of Narnia was having the books read to me by my fourth-grade teacher as part of Reading Time, and she read TMN and TLTW&TW to us in chronological order. Admittedly I was eight at the time but I much preferred TMN to TLTW&TW (I mean, *Charn*. *Jadis*. The journey to and adventure in the walled Garden. Diggory's temptation. The Wood Between the Worlds. The... oh, the whole thing), and I did not find that my understanding of either book was impaired. I think that the publication order *is* a way to read the books, if you are a (self- or other-)trained critic and want to enjoy the entire oeuvre. Chronological order has the unfortunate effect of sandwiching TLTW&TW between what I consider the two best-written books of the series (it is probably no coincidence that they were also two of the last three written), and thematically contrasting it almost immediately with the *other* Narnia restoration story, 'Prince Caspian', to which it compares... poorly. Encountering the books in the chronological order, as I did, has had the odd effect of making TLTW&TW my second-least favourite book of the sequence ('The Last Battle' remains in that ignominious position). Where an older reader might forgive it its failings, knowing it was an early work and Lewis had had time and experience to polish his work before producing 'The Magician's Nephew' and 'The Horse and His Boy', at the age of eight, to me TLTW&TW was basically 'what eventually happened to Jadis', 'why Susan and Corin were in Calormen' and, slightly later, 'how we got to the beginning of Caspian's story'. I wouldn't recommend TLTW&TW as first reading on those grounds, though. TMN is, I think, too fine a piece of writing to delay exposure to, just to let its lesser sibling shine. Raye raye_j@yahoo.com livejournal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/windtear http://www.thejohnsens.com/index.html "It 'went away'? 'I dwell in darkness without you' and it WENT AWAY?" -- Sorcha, 'Willow' __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From sraun at fireopal.org Fri Dec 16 17:28:03 2005 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Tixie Not Quite Late, Part the Second In-Reply-To: <015c01c601ef$10d47b50$6dedbe42@Samantha> References: <200512141200.jBEC04NW024932@lists.herald.co.uk> <015c01c601ef$10d47b50$6dedbe42@Samantha> Message-ID: <20051216172803.GA10358@fireopal.org> On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 07:16:10PM -0800, Jean Lamb wrote: > Our second vic-er, birthday person is our very own Scott Raun. Though > somewhat quieter than the Other Scott (Mangos, sailing ships, etc), Scott > Raun is definitely a valuable member of this list in his own right. May > your birthday be sweet, filled with friends and books, and joyous. Also, > may you get real birthday gifts and none of that combination garbage (my > poor brother, born on the 20th--well, let's just say that when we were all > much younger, combination was all us kids could afford). Yesterday we to see _The Legend of Zorro_, today we're going out to lunch at Red Lobster, and planning on seeing _HP and the Goblet of Fire_ this evening. Busy coupld of days! I am getting a combination birthday/Christmas present from my darling wife - but I already know what it is, and it's something I'd wished for! -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From adkinslawfirm at mindspring.com Fri Dec 16 18:31:53 2005 From: adkinslawfirm at mindspring.com (Marty L. Adkins) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Girl Genius Carols OT: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20051216133042.01ceb690@pop.mindspring.com> Courtesy of the ever-prolific Tom Smith: http://www.livejournal.com/users/filkertom/282934.html Jerrie, chortling in evil glee From mike at dendarii.co.uk Fri Dec 16 22:39:17 2005 From: mike at dendarii.co.uk (Michael Bernardi) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Lois McMaster Bujold Mailing List Weekly FAQ FAQ Message-ID: <3092@dendarii.co.uk> Last-Modified: 5 May 2005 Version: 2.0.7 Being a Pointer to where to find Answers to Frequently Asked Questions ====================================================================== This document was compiled by Michael Bernardi, to allow subscribers to the Lois-Bujold mailing list to easily find where the FAQs are. Having this FAQ posted weekly to the list then allows the posting of the OTHER FAQs to be every two months and thus reduce list traffic. Three FAQs have been developed since this list was created in October 1994. The Bio FAQ has been deleted, as all the information previously given here, can be found at "The Bujold Nexus" in the "Author Info" and "Book Info" sections. This document was originally created in December 1998. The FAQs ======== Lois McMaster Bujold Mailing List Administrivia FAQ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.dendarii.com/bujold_admin.html Last Updated: 28 October 2002 Explains how to join and use the Lois-Bujold mailing list, hosted at http://lists.herald.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/lois-bujold Lois McMaster Bujold Mailing List FAQ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.dendarii.com/bujold_lst.html Last updated: 27 September 2003 This document attempts to answer Frequently Asked Questions which occur on the Mailing List about the list itself, including guidelines for off-topic discussions, spoiler discussion, and excessive quoting, and list conventions and in-jokes. Also includes pointers to other mailing lists and to Web sites about Lois McMaster Bujold and her work. Lois McMaster Bujold List PLOT Frequently Asked Questions ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.dendarii.com/bujold_faq.html Last Updated: 05 May 2005 This document attempts to answer Frequently Asked Questions which occur on the Mailing List about Plot lines that occur in the work of Lois McMaster Bujold. This includes answers from Lois herself. The Bujold Nexus: The Lois McMaster Bujold Homepage ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.dendarii.com Last Updated: 05 May 2005 This is the Official site to find information about Lois McMaster Bujold on the Web. Lois has provided some information herself, and other material has come from other fans. The Bujold Nexus Overflow Site ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.dendarii.co.uk/Bujold.html Last Updated: 25 September 2004 This contains all the stuff that isn't really appropriate at the main site. ie fan fiction, fan art, photos, and filk. Please send details of any material such material to the address indicated. Note I am not responsible for the mail server hardware OR software. Both these are under the control of Mel Harper . Any feedback on this post cheerfully received by Michael Bernardi . -- Michael Bernardi mike_at_dendarii.co.uk From kcollett at hamilton.edu Sat Dec 17 04:59:27 2005 From: kcollett at hamilton.edu (Katherine Collett) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Narnia Read-Alikes (Was Winter Reading OT:) Message-ID: <420CCB99-76F7-48EE-AAB7-FF572E1944E0@hamilton.edu> I have a long annotated list of books for children who liked the Narnia books that I saved from essentially the same discussion on rec.arts.books.childrens back in 1997 or earlier (and that was before I was officially an archivist!), and I also have an updated and alphabetized version of the list (and another recommended list of mostly fantasy for children and adults). I hesitate to post either list here, since they're so long, but if anyone wants a copy, e-mail me (specify which lists you want) and I'll send them to you. Katherine > > What books would you recommend to a child or teenager > who has seen the movie or read the book, "The Lion the > Witch and the Wardrobe?" > From t.vinson at sbcglobal.net Sat Dec 17 17:19:01 2005 From: t.vinson at sbcglobal.net (Thomas Vinson) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Be afraid, be very afraid Message-ID: <51683ab57165ebb380963c5dadd03614@sbcglobal.net> (No, I'm not talking about the Christmas carols by Alvin and the Chipmunks that was just playing over at the YWCA during my swim.) We were over at Borders last night for a local music group's CD release party. While browsing through the magazine racks I glanced at the current issue of "Guitar World". It includes a free training CD for teaching yourself "Stairway to Heaven". Tom From skyefire at skyefire.org Fri Dec 16 14:00:49 2005 From: skyefire at skyefire.org (David McMillan) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] good news!! Earthsea OT: In-Reply-To: <1134598481.24236.249817983@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <43A08361.7080201@zonnet.nl> <1134598481.24236.249817983@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <43A2C891.5070606@skyefire.org> Tracy MacShane wrote: > But I'm sure that Miyazaki would at least get the colour of the Earthsea > protagonists right. And it could not be *worse* than the other recent > "effort" (for want of a better word). Okay, can someone answer me this? I read LeGuin's rant about the SciFi ES movie, and most of it seemed rational (I have no real background in ES), but the whole "color" thing bugged me. Okay, so the actors weren't the same color as LeGuin envisioned the characters. So what? Seriously. I hadn't gotten the impression that skin color played any actual role in the *plot* of the story (someone please correct me if I'm wrong), and assuming that's true, why would anyone's melanin content matter? I would think that the actor's ability to really capture the character would be the paramount concern (granted, the SciFi movie apparently *didn't,* but that's a seperate issue). Complaining that the cast was too 'whitebread' just strikes me as, well, petty. I mean, I remember a good ten years ago when a black man was cast in the leading role in "Phantom of the Opera" -- no one so much as turned an eyelash, despite the rather gross historical innaccuracy of that casting. The actor in question was considered a top theater talent, and got rave reviews. He did the character justice, and his color really didn't matter. This memory became savagely ironic a few years later when people started forming lynch mobs over the casting of a caucasian woman as the female lead in the first run of "Miss Saigon." 'Historical accuracy' was the main reason I heard bandied about in public, but I couldn't help wondering where all these historical purists had been when the "Phantom" casting happened. Especially since the historical inaccuracy was much *less* in the case of MS, given the odds of finding 'white'-looking Eurasian women in Saigon by the 1960s. Maybe I'm just missing something here, but to me it seems like a blatant double standard. From carbonelle at juno.com Sat Dec 17 21:20:25 2005 From: carbonelle at juno.com (Kirsten Edwards) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Time is fleeting / madness takes its toll OT: Message-ID: <20051217.132112.11912.168957@webmail46.lax.untd.com> Based on somebody else's* idea: "Hey, that should be a Christmas song." You rang? For your Christmas-time doggerel enjoyment: Christmas pleasures: Children's treasures, Let the good times roll Christmas shopping 'Til we're dropping Isn't that the goal? Christmas greetings: Time is fleeting, madness takes its toll Let us rather Take our pleasure In a song that's droll! There is a tune to this. I can hear it in my head: la la LA la / la LA la LA / la la la la LA. But "ell-if-eye-no" if it's a real one. *The which idea "somebody" may lay claim to, based on the accolades or (vociferous lack thereof) which my little ditty receives! Kirsten Edwards "Infantem dormientem non movere" ___________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 250MB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From carbonelle at juno.com Sat Dec 17 22:27:20 2005 From: carbonelle at juno.com (Kirsten Edwards) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Narnia reading order (Was another thread the which I am too lazy t o look up and print accurately) OT: Message-ID: <20051217.142757.14905.168649@webmail15.lax.untd.com> Raye, disagreeing that, after reading THE LION THE WITCH & THE WARDROBE (TLTW&TW) first, any order is fine, wrote: "I think that the publication order *is* a way to read the books, if you are a (self- or other-)trained critic and want to enjoy the entire oeuvre." I think that you are giving too much weight to a set of charming fairy-tale stories. Especially since, nearly 50 years of little children were introduced to them in just that order--! Narnia itself is a very special and wonderful place, but the stories themselves are far from flawless, ranging from very very good (MAGICIAN'S NEPHEW - we agree on that - it's my favorite as well) through the moderately good (PRINCE CASPIAN & THE LAST BATTLE) The whole is very much more than the sum of its parts. That said, I reiterate: TLTW&TW is very clearly *the first book* because the other potential "first books" contain spoilers for it. We all may have our idisyncratic reactions to the series, but it's a disservice to most readers to mis-package the series so. That said, my own reading order (first time, age... 7) was THE SILVER CHAIR, THE HORSE & HIS BOY - & the rest in publication order. Which just goes to show that this is a pretty trivial distinction, after all! On the other hand, Douglas Gresham agrees with *you* and thinks that I am full of baloney, so there you are. Kirsten "opinioned but mellow" Edwards "Infantem dormientem non movere" ___________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 250MB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From morales.knight at gmail.com Sun Dec 18 00:29:56 2005 From: morales.knight at gmail.com (Luis Felipe Morales Knight) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Narnia reading order (Was another thread the which I am too lazy t o look up and print accurately) OT: In-Reply-To: <20051217.142757.14905.168649@webmail15.lax.untd.com> References: <20051217.142757.14905.168649@webmail15.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: <9e2c72630512171629y57fd04d6n8ddc5eafe5e149cd@mail.gmail.com> How odd.. I know I read them in that order too, and at about the same age. Synchronistically, Luis On 12/17/05, Kirsten Edwards wrote: > > That said, my own reading order (first time, age... 7) > was THE SILVER CHAIR, THE HORSE & HIS BOY - & the rest > in publication order. Which just goes to show that this > is a pretty trivial distinction, after all! > > Kirsten "opinioned but mellow" Edwards > "Infantem dormientem non movere" > > From skasper at gmail.com Sun Dec 18 00:36:45 2005 From: skasper at gmail.com (Sara Kasper) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Question regarding Ivan's title Message-ID: <7082aa840512171636r171a3afdr8ff0317aea5a56e1@mail.gmail.com> I was rereading ACC last night, and it occurred to me that Ivan is called Lord Vorpatril several times in it, though AFAIK he isn't a counts heir, shouldn't he be Lord Ivan, or is he Count Vorpatril's heir? Or is there another explanation for this? Thank you! Sara From billie_t at fastmail.fm Sun Dec 18 00:47:04 2005 From: billie_t at fastmail.fm (Tracy MacShane) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] good news!! Earthsea OT: In-Reply-To: <43A2C891.5070606@skyefire.org> References: <43A08361.7080201@zonnet.nl> <1134598481.24236.249817983@webmail.messagingengine.com> <43A2C891.5070606@skyefire.org> Message-ID: <1134866824.24843.250038182@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:00:49 -0500, "David McMillan" said: > Tracy MacShane wrote: > > > But I'm sure that Miyazaki would at least get the colour of the Earthsea > > protagonists right. And it could not be *worse* than the other recent > > "effort" (for want of a better word). > > Okay, can someone answer me this? I read LeGuin's rant about the > SciFi ES movie, and most of it seemed rational (I have no real > background in ES), but the whole "color" thing bugged me. Okay, so > the actors weren't the same color as LeGuin envisioned the characters. > So what? Seriously. I hadn't gotten the impression that skin color > played any actual role in the *plot* of the story (someone please > correct me if I'm wrong), and assuming that's true, why would anyone's > melanin content matter? Well, unfortunately, someone's melanin content *does* still matter in the real world. It has some bearing on the plot, in that the Kargad people are most certainly portrayed as being "white". When Ged rescues Tenar, there is a reasonable amount of allusion to it, especially in her first glimpse of him (a brown man with obvious scars down his cheek), and that she is referred to as the White Lady of Gont after. And the author wrote the books with the usual Western colour scheme reversed to Make A Point, not just because she thought brown/black people are more aesthetic. Or something. It's not a loud and nagging point, to be sure, but it's there. And yep, lots of movie-makers seem bound and determined to ignore authors' intents whereever they possibly can, but it's irritating to have it disregarded when the point made is still quite relevant. They're certainly determined to keep CS Lewis' POV intact in the Narnia movies, but, oh, that's because it's *allegory*. I may tend to agree more with one POV than the other, but I also respect the rights of each of the authors to have their intent preserved fairly intact. -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Same, same, but different From dtilque at nwlink.com Sun Dec 18 01:10:43 2005 From: dtilque at nwlink.com (Dan Tilque) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Question regarding Ivan's title References: <7082aa840512171636r171a3afdr8ff0317aea5a56e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003301c6036f$df25fde0$0ac13442@nwlink.com> Sara Kasper wrote: > I was rereading ACC last night, and it occurred to me that > Ivan is called > Lord Vorpatril several times in it, though AFAIK he isn't a > counts heir, > shouldn't he be Lord Ivan, or is he Count Vorpatril's heir? Or > is there > another explanation for this? >From http://www.dendarii.com/bujold_faq.html#counts LMB) In addition to the usual Count Vorlastname - Lord Vorlastname - Lord Vorfirstname sequencing for a Count and his immediate heirs, there are a slew of Lord Vorlastnames running around who hold their titles by virtue of being clan heads or for other, idiosyncratic historical reasons. Padma's father (and hence Padma and Ivan) may well have acquired this honor by virtue of marriage to Prince Xav's younger half-Betan princess daughter, or for some prior historical reason. There is a senior Vorpatril line, and a Count Vorpatril (see ACC) -- I feel, in retrospect, that the Vorpatril liveried retainers we saw at the beginning of The Warrior's Apprentice must have been a courtesy loan from the Count to Alys. There are bunches and bunches of other Vorpatrils in line ahead of Ivan for that Countship; it is in the highest degree unlikely that he'll inherit it at any time, let alone soon. (MilesToGo forum on Baen's Bar, 15 July 1999) -- Dan Tilque From m.dolbear at lineone.net Sun Dec 18 01:15:02 2005 From: m.dolbear at lineone.net (Michael R N Dolbear) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Question regarding Ivan's title Message-ID: <4jtvp3$2eerc8@mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com> From: Sara Kasper Date: 18 December 2005 00:36 I was rereading ACC last night, and it occurred to me that Ivan is called Lord Vorpatril several times in it, though AFAIK he isn't a counts heir, shouldn't he be Lord Ivan, or is he Count Vorpatril's heir? Or is there another explanation for this? Why do you think the Emperor, the Lord Guardian etc. call him Lord V if he isn't ? >From the List Plot FAQ (plot questions, pronounciation guides): http://www.dendarii.com/bujold_faq.html 13. Are all the Lord Vorwhatsisnames directly related to a Count Vorwhatsisname? How closely related is Ivan to Count Vorpatril? LMB) In addition to the usual Count Vorlastname - Lord Vorlastname - Lord Vorfirstname sequencing for a Count and his immediate heirs, there are a slew of Lord Vorlastnames running around who hold their titles by virtue of being clan heads or for other, idiosyncratic historical reasons. Padma's father (and hence Padma and Ivan) may well have acquired this honor by virtue of marriage to Prince Xav's younger half-Betan princess daughter, or for some prior historical reason. There is a senior Vorpatril line, and a Count Vorpatril (see ACC) -- I feel, in retrospect, that the Vorpatril liveried retainers we saw at the beginning of _The Warrior's Apprentice_ must have been a courtesy loan from the Count to Alys. There are bunches and bunches of other Vorpatrils in line ahead of Ivan for that Countship; it is in the highest degree unlikely that he'll inherit it at any time, let alone soon. (MilesToGo forum on Baen's Bar, 15 July 1999) == I hope this doesn't tell you more than you want to know about penguins^W Ivan's title. Little Egret From tiamat at tsoft.com Sun Dec 18 01:19:51 2005 From: tiamat at tsoft.com (Azalais Malfoy) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] good news!! Earthsea OT: In-Reply-To: <1134866824.24843.250038182@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <43A08361.7080201@zonnet.nl> <1134598481.24236.249817983@webmail.messagingengine.com> <43A2C891.5070606@skyefire.org> <1134866824.24843.250038182@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <20051217165916.E28515@shell.rawbw.com> > On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:00:49 -0500, "David McMillan" > said: > > Okay, can someone answer me this? I read LeGuin's rant about the > > SciFi ES movie, and most of it seemed rational (I have no real > > background in ES), but the whole "color" thing bugged me. Okay, so > > the actors weren't the same color as LeGuin envisioned the characters. > > So what? Seriously. I hadn't gotten the impression that skin color > > played any actual role in the *plot* of the story (someone please > > correct me if I'm wrong), and assuming that's true, why would anyone's > > melanin content matter? Oh, you did not say that, did you? Siiiigh. Let me guess: you're white, right? Because the reason they did it almost certainly had more to do with money than talent, as in 'how will we get advertisers to pay for spots on a "black" show?' Even Ice-T and Will Smith are still in the supporting cast most of the time, unless it's a "black movie". Because there aren't enough roles for actors of colour, and colour-blind casting isn't always the answer? Because people of colour would like to see themselves on screen more often, especially in parts that were WRITTEN for them? Because it's bloody annoying when casting directors and artists don't pay attention to descriptions of characters? Because the assumption of many people that all fantasy characters are WHITE, WHITE, WHITE and vaguely Celtic/Nordic is really, really annoying? (Don't complain to me that fantasy/sf isn't diverse enough when you don't bother to notice the ones that are!) I wrote an original series that appeared in a couple of zines in the 90s in which only three of the main characters, *who were foreigners and all related to each other*, were white. Yet when I got fan art, it often depicted people whom I had described as having brown skin, kinky, nappy or curly hair, and broad noses as vaguely Celtic folkses. In vaguely Celtic/European clothing despite my descriptions of the outfits they wore. Also, any fat female character who had been described in remotely flattering terms was drawn as a thin woman (there was a fat Asian woman who was a courtesan), and nobody had scars even though they all fought hand-to-hand and with blades. On the one hand, fan art is always flattering, but it really made me wonder if they had been reading my story. It was confusing, because some of these people could discuss the plot fairly well, but apparently, they had mentally recast every single character I wrote as a thin, unscarred, white person who met the current cultural standard of beauty. And that was almost as annoying as the fact they liked my stuff enough to draw it was flattering. Should skin colour matter? Not so much. But when so-called colour-blind casting policies serve to reduce the diversity of imagery that is out there, rather than add to it, they're damaging. I love many white actors to pieces, but if Ataniell Cycle became a movie, I wouldn't want to see any of them playing the Emperor Tarakhevan, because the Emperor Tarakhevan has dark brown skin, a flat nose, and nappy black hair in long braids, and I just can't see Rufus Sewell or Jamie Bamber or Samuel West pulling that off. Sorry. Besides, it's *important* that Liuterin is pale, which means that if everyone around her also is, that plot point is lost. I could not watch that bastardisation of Earthsea. Not only were almost all the characters Caucasified, they turned Tenar into a giggly creature. It was just horrible. I might have not turned if off if I'd had friends over to MST it with, but I couldn't finish watching it, it was too horrible. ~malfoy From noelrappin at gmail.com Sun Dec 18 04:12:12 2005 From: noelrappin at gmail.com (Noel Rappin) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] good news!! Earthsea OT: In-Reply-To: <43A2C891.5070606@skyefire.org> References: <43A08361.7080201@zonnet.nl> <1134598481.24236.249817983@webmail.messagingengine.com> <43A2C891.5070606@skyefire.org> Message-ID: Others have talked about Earthsea with more knowledge than I can -- I just wanted to point out that your Broadway examples probably don't make your point as strongly as you think. The controversy over Miss Saigon was not over the female lead (played by Lea Salonga, who is from the Philippines). It was over one of the male supporting characters, The Engineer, played in London and NY by Jonathan Pryce. It was not, at least initially, a public protest. Actors Equity threatened not to allow Pryce to play the role in New York. I don't remember historical accuracy being the stated reason for the conflict (the character, after all, was half European), but rather that, it was largely due to the very limited number of Broadway roles written for Asian characters (it would be kind of silly for minority actors to come out in favor of strict historical accuracy, after all). In any case Equity eventually backed down, although I don't know what the exact reason or negotiations were. The gentlemen who you are referring to in Phantom was probably Robert Guillaume, who played it some time in the late 1980s. And I do remember some eyelash turning concerning it -- I wouldn't have known about it at the time except for the fact that it generated some mainstream press. Although I think the press was mostly because Guillaume was by that point more famous for his sitcom work. (Saying he was considered a "top theater talent" is probably a little strong, though). For some reason I want to mention that Antonio Bandaras lobbied heavily for the movie role of the Phantom, but didn't get it. Hope this helps, well, somebody. Noel On Dec 16, 2005, at 8:00 AM, David McMillan wrote: > > Okay, can someone answer me this? I read LeGuin's rant about the > SciFi ES movie, and most of it seemed rational (I have no real > background in ES), but the whole "color" thing bugged me. Okay, so > the actors weren't the same color as LeGuin envisioned the > characters. So what? Seriously. I hadn't gotten the impression > that skin color played any actual role in the *plot* of the story > (someone please correct me if I'm wrong), and assuming that's true, > why would anyone's melanin content matter? I would think that the > actor's ability to really capture the character would be the > paramount concern (granted, the SciFi movie apparently *didn't,* > but that's a seperate issue). Complaining that the cast was too > 'whitebread' just strikes me as, well, petty. > I mean, I remember a good ten years ago when a black man was cast > in the leading role in "Phantom of the Opera" -- no one so much as > turned an eyelash, despite the rather gross historical innaccuracy > of that casting. The actor in question was considered a top > theater talent, and got rave reviews. He did the character > justice, and his color really didn't matter. > This memory became savagely ironic a few years later when people > started forming lynch mobs over the casting of a caucasian woman as > the female lead in the first run of "Miss Saigon." 'Historical > accuracy' was the main reason I heard bandied about in public, but > I couldn't help wondering where all these historical purists had > been when the "Phantom" casting happened. Especially since the > historical inaccuracy was much *less* in the case of MS, given the > odds of finding 'white'-looking Eurasian women in Saigon by the 1960s. > Maybe I'm just missing something here, but to me it seems like a > blatant double standard. From carbonelle at juno.com Sun Dec 18 05:56:31 2005 From: carbonelle at juno.com (Kirsten Edwards) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: OT: The Colors of Earthsea Message-ID: <20051217.215717.14555.170147@webmail18.lax.untd.com> David M asks why it should piss anyone off (besides the author, of course) that actors in the Earthsea drama were almost entirely white? Because the story and the fantasy world was based on Polynesian and African mythologies, and the movie completely blew *it all off* transplanting and trans- mogrifying it into generic Celtic/Norman/Viking stuff. >From "unique and ground-breaking" to "blah-and cliched" Color wouldn't have fazed me one bit, if they had been true to the underlying story and mythos. As it was? Icing on the cake. Also: One story-line half-arsedly incorporated, DID play on color - a fair race of barbarians vs. a dark- skinned civilized nation. They blew that off, too, but by then it was merely icing on the Cake of Stupidity. Kirsten "Infantem dormientem non movere" ___________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 250MB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From carbonelle at juno.com Sun Dec 18 06:02:11 2005 From: carbonelle at juno.com (Kirsten Edwards) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: OT: Colors of Earthsea Message-ID: <20051217.220223.14555.170167@webmail18.lax.untd.com> "They're certainly determined to keep CS Lewis' POV intact in the Narnia movies, but, oh, that's because it's *allegory*. I may tend to agree more with one POV than the other, but I also respect the rights of each of the authors to have their intent preserved fairly intact." (1) It's not allegory. "Allegorical" if you absolutely must. (2) I think you're confusing the "they's" involved: Walden Media (a company founded specifically to promote great stories on film ("Because of Winn Dixie" "Holes" "Narnia") and the Sci-Fi channel. I think "they" chose to preserve Lewis vision because Walden media respects authors, books and their readership, as they've demonstrated amply in their previous films. Kirsten "Infantem dormientem non movere" ___________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 250MB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From billie_t at fastmail.fm Sun Dec 18 11:03:04 2005 From: billie_t at fastmail.fm (Tracy MacShane) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: OT: Colors of Earthsea In-Reply-To: <20051217.220223.14555.170167@webmail18.lax.untd.com> References: <20051217.220223.14555.170167@webmail18.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: <1134903784.24482.250051494@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 06:02:11 GMT, "Kirsten Edwards" said: > "They're certainly determined to keep CS Lewis' > POV intact in the Narnia movies, but, oh, that's > because it's *allegory*. I may tend to agree > more with one POV than the other, but I also > respect the rights of each of the authors to have > their intent preserved fairly intact." > > (1) It's not allegory. "Allegorical" if you > absolutely must. > > (2) I think you're confusing the "they's" involved: > Walden Media (a company founded specifically to > promote great stories on film ("Because of Winn > Dixie" "Holes" "Narnia") and the Sci-Fi channel. > Pardon me. It's *an* allegory, ok? To be frank, though, if I wanted a public grammar lesson, I'd ask. I've never heard of Walden Media, nor any of the other productions you cite, but it's nice that they appear to be committed to making good movies. I also think it's easier to get big budget and Disney support if your movie supports certain POVs compared to others. Which is par for the course in the movie world. I'm not actually snarking at Narnia, because I loved the books, and I'm pleased that they've appeared to done reasonable justice to them. I just wish that big budget movie-making had a broader scope - but that's a common complaint. And, yep, I know that the big budget stuff is directed at what will *sell*. That's how the system works. -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The professional email service From mitcham.beth at gmail.com Sun Dec 18 16:47:08 2005 From: mitcham.beth at gmail.com (Beth Mitcham) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: OT: Colors of Earthsea and Narnia Message-ID: On 12/18/05, Tracy MacShane wrote: > > > > (1) It's not allegory. "Allegorical" if you > > absolutely must. > > Pardon me. It's *an* allegory, ok? To be frank, though, if I wanted a > public grammar lesson, I'd ask. I think the idea is not the grammar issue, which would be an annoying carp, but that the Narnia stories are not a true allegory because the characters are not avatars for other things. There are some relationships between Christian themes and Narnian themes (that's why she'll accept "allegorical") but nothing so direct as an allegory. So a dispute about a literary judgement rather than a grammar quibble. I tend to agree that the Narnia stories aren't really an allegory. Even the Christian themes are muted in most of the books. Beth Mitcham, who hasn't seen the movie yet From mathews55 at msn.com Sun Dec 18 18:45:30 2005 From: mathews55 at msn.com (PAT MATHEWS) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Time is fleeting / madness takes its toll OT: In-Reply-To: <20051217.132112.11912.168957@webmail46.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: >From: "Kirsten Edwards" > >Based on somebody else's* idea: "Hey, >that should be a Christmas song." > >You rang? For your Christmas-time >doggerel enjoyment: > >Christmas pleasures: >Children's treasures, >Let the good times roll > >Christmas shopping >'Til we're dropping >Isn't that the goal? > >Christmas greetings: >Time is fleeting, >madness takes its toll > >Let us rather >Take our pleasure >In a song that's droll! > >There is a tune to this. I can hear it >in my head: la la LA la / la LA la LA / >la la la la LA. But "ell-if-eye-no" if >it's a real one. > "Jingle Bells" with the last beat in each line doubled. i.e. "Jingle Bells-s." From robtjwms at yahoo.com Sun Dec 18 20:57:15 2005 From: robtjwms at yahoo.com (BOB!!) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] good news!! Earthsea OT: In-Reply-To: <200512180413.jBI4DbFv020338@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <20051218205715.82819.qmail@web34602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Noel Rappin wrote: > The gentlemen who you are referring to in Phantom was probably > Robert Guillaume, who played it some time in the late 1980s. And I do > remember some eyelash turning concerning it -- I wouldn't have known > about it at the time except for the fact that it generated some > mainstream press. Although I think the press was mostly because > Guillaume was by that point more famous for his sitcom work. > (Saying he was considered a "top theater talent" is probably a little > strong, though). I'd have to disagree - by then he'd already been nominated for a Tony for Nathan Detroit in Guys and Dolls and had several other shows to his credit as well. I remember a theatrically-minded (and apparently non-television-minded) teacher I had, upon hearing that he was in Soap and Benson, saying something to the effect of "and he does TV too?" in a swoony voice. So he was apparently was something of a "top theatre talent" before he starred in Phantom. Regards, BOB!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From billie_t at fastmail.fm Sun Dec 18 21:45:17 2005 From: billie_t at fastmail.fm (Tracy MacShane) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: OT: Colors of Earthsea and Narnia In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1134942317.11285.250073076@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:47:08 -0800, "Beth Mitcham" said: > On 12/18/05, Tracy MacShane wrote: > > > > > > > (1) It's not allegory. "Allegorical" if you > > > absolutely must. > > > > Pardon me. It's *an* allegory, ok? To be frank, though, if I wanted a > > public grammar lesson, I'd ask. > > I think the idea is not the grammar issue, which would be an annoying > carp, but that the Narnia stories are not a true allegory because the > characters are not avatars for other things. Oh, my apologies, I misunderstood. Obviously. And I agree, it's not a direct allegory. I certainly didn't get clouted over the head with the message as a young'un, although I did think that Aslan's sacrifice seemed familiar somehow. :-) -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Accessible with your email software or over the web From jamesandmary.burbidge at sympatico.ca Mon Dec 19 02:06:00 2005 From: jamesandmary.burbidge at sympatico.ca (James Burbidge) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: OT: Colors of Earthsea and Narnia In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1134957962.1295.7.camel@ilmarin> On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 11:47, Beth Mitcham wrote: > On 12/18/05, Tracy MacShane wrote: > > > > > > > (1) It's not allegory. "Allegorical" if you > > > absolutely must. > > > > Pardon me. It's *an* allegory, ok? To be frank, though, if I wanted a > > public grammar lesson, I'd ask. > > I think the idea is not the grammar issue, which would be an annoying > carp, but that the Narnia stories are not a true allegory because the > characters are not avatars for other things. There are some > relationships between Christian themes and Narnian themes (that's why > she'll accept "allegorical") but nothing so direct as an allegory. > > So a dispute about a literary judgement rather than a grammar quibble. > I tend to agree that the Narnia stories aren't really an allegory. > Even the Christian themes are muted in most of the books. > Narnia is not an allegory because the characters do not "stand for" people or things which they are not on the literal level. In particular, Aslan does not "represent" Christ: he _is_ Christ, manifest differently in a different world. Nor is Edmund, in any consistently worked out way, a representation of Adam or of mankind as a whole. It's been said of both the Interplanetary Trilogy and the Narnia books that they are hard science fiction where Christian theology is the "science" in question. (The Ransom books are a direct mapping of mediaeval cosmology onto the modern world.) Even on the more general plot level, the TLTWATW dying god variant is no much more like that of Jesus than it is like Attis or Osiris or any of the other Frazier variants which Lewis knew quite well and was influenced by. > Beth Mitcham, who hasn't seen the movie yet > > -- > Lois-Bujold mailing list > Lois-Bujold@lists.herald.co.uk > http://lists.herald.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lois-bujold From lbujold at myinfmail.com Mon Dec 19 04:55:52 2005 From: lbujold at myinfmail.com (Lois McMaster Bujold) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] (chat) Morris dancing Message-ID: <43A63D58.3040007@myinfmail.com> So... I've been on a William Morris binge this week, a seminal author of the modern fantasy genre with whom I've long meant to catch up. Read both volumes of _The Well at the World's End_ earlier this past week -- long, strange, excellent, but my ghod the archaic Northern vocabulary. Reading with a dictionary in hand was little help when about a third of the stumpers were too obscure to be in it. So, I next read _The Water of the Wondrous Isles_. Haven't done this much faring and wending and general random hoo-rooing since I read Spenser's _The Faerie Queene_ back in high school, of which this wots me. Got several giggles, some of them intended by the author, some, I suspect, not. Trust a guy-writer to send his heroine off buck naked for half her scenes... I was expecting Birdalone's (great name) nipples to go "spung" at any moment. Or whatever the Old Icelandic term for that would be. Specially liked the images evoked by Arthur the Black Squire's brief line, describing his stint as a hermit, "These deemed me a holy man, whereas I was but surly..." Am wondering whether to plunge into the next one might be too much Morris in a row, but they do beguile the snowy bitter -- short -- days. ("Beguiling" is a very good word to describe these fantasies, methinks. Not gripping, not wrenching, *not*, praise be, "gritty". They just ripple along in their own peculiar channel.) _The Sundering Flood_ is next up on my stack, anyway. The guy does appear to have had a thing about water. Ta, L. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/206 - Release Date: 12/16/2005 From carbonelle at juno.com Mon Dec 19 06:25:07 2005 From: carbonelle at juno.com (Kirsten Edwards) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: The Colors of Earthsea OT: Message-ID: <20051218.222557.2955.177835@webmail24.lax.untd.com> Tracy wrote in reference to my remark that TLTW&TW "isn't allegory": "Pardon me. It's *an* allegory, ok? To be frank, though, if I wanted a public grammar lesson, I'd ask." Not a public grammer lesson: A definitional gripe: In other words, if you must say "The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe" is LIKE an allegory, I can't honestly complain (e.g. "allegorical"). But it's not the literary form known as "allegory". Aslan doesn't "represent" Christ, he *is* Christ or rather, Christ, as He might appear in a fairy- tale world of talking animals if such a thing actually existed. Whether Lewis nailed that bit of speculative fiction is entirely arguable, of course: But it's not allegory. (Source Lewis' "Letters to Children" but it shows up elsewhere) Sorry for the confusion. Kirsten "Infantem dormientem non movere" ___________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 250MB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From carbonelle at juno.com Mon Dec 19 06:43:33 2005 From: carbonelle at juno.com (Kirsten Edwards) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Colors of Earthsea OT: Message-ID: <20051218.224404.2955.177854@webmail24.lax.untd.com> Tracey, in reference to the respect TLTW&TW got from WaldenMedia and WM's ability to get Disney to chip in on the production costs: "I just wish that big budget movie-making had a broader scope - but that's a common complaint. And, yep, I know that the big budget stuff is directed at what will *sell*. That's how the system works." Again, I think your "certain POVs" get more support needs to go back a step: Following hard on the heels of the success of LOTR (adaptation of a massively popular fantasy "series"), WM gettin Disney to help pay for the special effects budget isn't surprising. Now whether the books have been children's favorites for 50-odd years because of a "certain POV" (though I'm only sorta guessing what that means - so I could be way off) I dunno. Either way, and assuming you have a fondness for fabu children's books, you need to check out Walden Media (http://www.walden.com/web/teach/home) BECAUSE OF WINN DIXIE (http://tinyurl.com/7hnlp) "Opal, a lonely girl in a new town, adopts an orphaned dog. The bond between the two brings together the people in a small Florida town and heals the girl's troubled relationship with her father." HOLES (http://tinyurl.com/db6zd) C'mon, you *know* this one, right? Loser kids in juvie make common cause? Heros are: White woman, poor white kid, black man, gypsy boy? HOOT (http://tinyurl.com/78jp2) "Three middle-schoolers take on greedy land developers, corrupt politicians, and clueless cops in the mystery adventure Hoot." And in development? Bridge to Terabithia The powerful story of a boy whose life is changed forever when he befriends the class outsider ... who happens to be a girl. " The Dark Is Rising "Young Will Stanton embarks on a dangerous journey after learning that he is the last of the "Old Ones," a group of immortal warriors dedicated to fighting the forces of the Dark. " The Giver "In a seemingly Utopian society, twelve-year old Jonas learns the hidden truth about his community when he is chosen to become the new Receiver of Memories. " Holy Hannah in a Handbasket: The Dark is Rising! And if it's successful, we might get all the rest of the series. I *love* Walden Media! Kirsten "Infantem dormientem non movere" ___________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 250MB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From orangekch at 702com.net Mon Dec 19 11:05:09 2005 From: orangekch at 702com.net (orangekch@702com.net) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Way OT: Web Comic Kevin and Kell In-Reply-To: <43A63D58.3040007@myinfmail.com> References: <43A63D58.3040007@myinfmail.com> Message-ID: <1670.202.131.163.149.1134990309.squirrel@webmail.702com.net> I'm a big fan of Bill Holbrook and love the strip Kevin and Kell. Has anyone else in the world been having problems accessing it lately? Beginning on Friday it simply ceased to load into Firefox. The site would time out. I've tried IE and no luck with that 'browser' either. Any help would be GREATLY appreciated... -andy From rparks at lvhot.org Mon Dec 19 10:14:20 2005 From: rparks at lvhot.org (Robert Parks) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Way OT: Web Comic Kevin and Kell In-Reply-To: <1670.202.131.163.149.1134990309.squirrel@webmail.702com.net> References: <43A63D58.3040007@myinfmail.com> <1670.202.131.163.149.1134990309.squirrel@webmail.702com.net> Message-ID: <43A687FC.20201@lvhot.org> orangekch@702com.net wrote: > I'm a big fan of Bill Holbrook and love the strip > Kevin and Kell. Has anyone else in the world been > having problems accessing it lately? Beginning on > Friday it simply ceased to load into Firefox. The > site would time out. I've tried IE and no luck > with that 'browser' either. > > Any help would be GREATLY appreciated... It appears to be a recurrence of the server problems from earlier this fall. Likely server will come back during the work week. Robert From billie_t at fastmail.fm Mon Dec 19 12:20:05 2005 From: billie_t at fastmail.fm (Tracy MacShane) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: The Colors of Earthsea OT: In-Reply-To: <20051218.222557.2955.177835@webmail24.lax.untd.com> References: <20051218.222557.2955.177835@webmail24.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: <1134994805.5222.250111198@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 06:25:07 GMT, "Kirsten Edwards" said: > > Not a public grammer lesson: A definitional gripe: In > other words, if you must say "The Lion the Witch and the > Wardrobe" is LIKE an allegory, I can't honestly complain > (e.g. "allegorical"). Yes, thanks, the light did finally dawn, when someone else explained. I have to say the fact it *isn't* an allegory didn't register at all on the first go-round, since, being fairly areligious, I didn't know that people considered Aslan to be actually representative rather than symbolic. So, there you go, I've learned something. :-) -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Email service worth paying for. Try it for free From phil.boswell at gmail.com Mon Dec 19 12:43:09 2005 From: phil.boswell at gmail.com (Phil Boswell) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Be afraid, be very afraid In-Reply-To: <51683ab57165ebb380963c5dadd03614@sbcglobal.net> References: <51683ab57165ebb380963c5dadd03614@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: On 17/12/05, Thomas Vinson wrote: > We were over at Borders last night for a local music group's CD release > party. While browsing through the magazine racks I glanced at the > current issue of "Guitar World". It includes a free training CD for > teaching yourself "Stairway to Heaven". Does it include a disclaimer about the publisher not being responsible for damage done to the perpetrator when they are eventually flung out of any music store in which they might consider testing out their new-found "competence" :-) ISTR seeing a list of songs which will win you instant ejection from any right-thinking music store, and StH was right at the top. Graded by "number of notes you might be able to get away with", I think it comes just after "Smoke on the Water". Can anyone think of a hurlable song which could be recognised in fewer notes than that? -- Phil From noelrappin at gmail.com Mon Dec 19 12:45:28 2005 From: noelrappin at gmail.com (Noel Rappin) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] good news!! Earthsea OT: In-Reply-To: <20051218205715.82819.qmail@web34602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051218205715.82819.qmail@web34602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9C146ACE-706A-4330-A8FB-6997B60C268C@alumni.brandeis.edu> On Dec 18, 2005, at 2:57 PM, BOB!! wrote: > Noel Rappin wrote: >> Although I think the press was mostly because >> Guillaume was by that point more famous for his sitcom work. >> (Saying he was considered a "top theater talent" is probably a > little >> strong, though). > > I'd have to disagree - by then he'd already been nominated for a Tony > for Nathan Detroit in Guys and Dolls and had several other shows to > his credit as well. I remember a theatrically-minded (and apparently > non-television-minded) teacher I had, upon hearing that he was in > Soap and Benson, saying something to the effect of "and he does TV > too?" in a swoony voice. So he was apparently was something of a > "top theatre talent" before he starred in Phantom. Point taken, although Nathan Detroit places a much lower vocal demand on the performer than The Phantom -- I guess I assumed Guillaume was thought of as more of an actor than singer. Which is a quibble, the relevant point (assuming any of this is relevant) is that he was a former Tony nominee, which makes him a top talent by default. Thanks, Noel, who would never, ever mind being corrected if it was always done as politely as this time... From phil.boswell at gmail.com Mon Dec 19 15:00:45 2005 From: phil.boswell at gmail.com (Phil Boswell) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Colors of Earthsea OT: In-Reply-To: <20051218.224404.2955.177854@webmail24.lax.untd.com> References: <20051218.224404.2955.177854@webmail24.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: On 19/12/05, Kirsten Edwards wrote: [snip] > And in development? > The Dark Is Rising > "Young Will Stanton embarks on a dangerous journey after > learning that he is the last of the "Old Ones," a group > of immortal warriors dedicated to fighting the forces > of the Dark. " > Holy Hannah in a Handbasket: The Dark is Rising! And if > it's successful, we might get all the rest of the series. W00t!!! Now that should be interesting... Interesting that they should again be starting with #2 in the sequence: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_is_Rising_Sequence -- Phil From A.Hendon at BrooklynPublicLibrary.org Mon Dec 19 16:59:36 2005 From: A.Hendon at BrooklynPublicLibrary.org (Hendon, Alison) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Colors of Earthsea OT: Message-ID: <7C952CC727B6A94BA342634037F1F93505B46EAE@bplwired2> On 19/12/05, Kirsten Edwards wrote: [snip] > And in development? > The Dark Is Rising > "Young Will Stanton embarks on a dangerous journey after > learning that he is the last of the "Old Ones," a group > of immortal warriors dedicated to fighting the forces > of the Dark. " > Holy Hannah in a Handbasket: The Dark is Rising! And if > it's successful, we might get all the rest of the series. W00t!!! Now that should be interesting... Interesting that they should again be starting with #2 in the sequence: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_is_Rising_Sequence -- Phil ____ My take on this is that Over Sea, Under Stone is just not as interesting. Alison From celticdragonfly at gmail.com Mon Dec 19 17:41:19 2005 From: celticdragonfly at gmail.com (Laura Gallagher) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Colors of Earthsea OT: In-Reply-To: <20051218.224404.2955.177854@webmail24.lax.untd.com> References: <20051218.224404.2955.177854@webmail24.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: <209a74ed0512190941u3c2569efg682a1be4707690d2@mail.gmail.com> > The Dark Is Rising > "Young Will Stanton embarks on a dangerous journey after > learning that he is the last of the "Old Ones," a group > of immortal warriors dedicated to fighting the forces > of the Dark. " They're going to film that? Oh whoa. Definite mixed feelings. I adore the series. I'd hate to see them mangle it. Laura Gallagher From adkinslawfirm at mindspring.com Mon Dec 19 17:40:58 2005 From: adkinslawfirm at mindspring.com (Marty L. Adkins) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Sci Fiction magazine OT: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20051219123153.01cb1028@pop.mindspring.com> Over on LJ, Suzette Haden Elgin mentioned: "And then there's the splendid idea from David Schwartz, who has set up a website for his Ellen Datlow/SCI FICTION Project at http://edsfproject.blogspot.com/2005/11/list.html . The idea is that each story will have a commentary -- an Appreciation -- written to honor that story, its author, and Ellen Datlow." There're over 300 stories archived, gems that need to be savored. Bon app?tit! Jerrie From AndrewBarton at compuserve.com Mon Dec 19 18:48:25 2005 From: AndrewBarton at compuserve.com (Andrew Barton) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Colors of Earthsea [OT: ] Message-ID: <200512191348_MC3-1-B3C5-41DC@compuserve.com> Tracy MacShane: > "They're certainly determined to keep CS Lewis' > POV intact in the Narnia movies, but, oh, that's > because it's *allegory*. I'm not sure what point you or 'they' are making here. There is no allegory in the Narnia books. Aslan does not -represent- God, he -is- God within the world of the story. Lewis was an Oxford English don, and one of his areas of interest was the history of allegory in literature. IIRC he made it quite clear that he was not using the technique in his fiction. The exception is 'The Pilgrim's Regress', one of his earliest works and one that later on he recommended people not to read. Andrew From yadler at thejnet.com Mon Dec 19 19:44:05 2005 From: yadler at thejnet.com (yadler@thejnet.com) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: The Colors of Earthsea OT: References: <20051218.222557.2955.177835@webmail24.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: <000b01c604d4$925268d0$4e5b80d8@DCLN9521> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirsten Edwards" To: Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 1:25 AM Subject: [LMB] Re: The Colors of Earthsea OT: > Tracy wrote in reference to my remark that TLTW&TW "isn't > allegory": > "Pardon me. It's *an* allegory, ok? To be frank, though, > if I wanted a public grammar lesson, I'd ask." > > Not a public grammer lesson: A definitional gripe: In > other words, if you must say "The Lion the Witch and the > Wardrobe" is LIKE an allegory, I can't honestly complain > (e.g. "allegorical"). But it's not the literary form known > as "allegory". Aslan doesn't "represent" Christ, he *is* > Christ or rather, Christ, as He might appear in a fairy- > tale world of talking animals if such a thing actually > existed. stepping up as the token non-christian - I read these books in grammer school, and saved up my allowance to buy them, because they were a really, really good bunch of books. i had no idea that c.s. lewis was christian until i got to college and found out some of hte other books he had written. i actually had to ask my prof. if they were the same person, bec WHAAAAAAT was some preist-type guy doing writing pagan fantasy? ziviya, who enjoys reading pagan stories while not actually being one, so i guess he can enjoy writing it, too -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/206 - Release Date: 12/16/2005 From kevink45 at hotmail.com Mon Dec 19 20:01:21 2005 From: kevink45 at hotmail.com (Kevin Kennedy) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] RE: OT: Kevin and Kell In-Reply-To: <200512191200.jBJC03ng009103@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: I haven't been able to get it or several days either. I hope things get strightened out soon. Kevin K > >I'm a big fan of Bill Holbrook and love the strip >Kevin and Kell. Has anyone else in the world been >having problems accessing it lately? Beginning on >Friday it simply ceased to load into Firefox. The >site would time out. I've tried IE and no luck >with that 'browser' either. > >Any help would be GREATLY appreciated... > > >-andy > From louann at millerdome.com Mon Dec 19 20:02:15 2005 From: louann at millerdome.com (Louann Miller) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Colors of Earthsea [OT: ] In-Reply-To: <200512191348_MC3-1-B3C5-41DC@compuserve.com> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20051219135552.01f8b9d0@mail07.powweb.com> At 01:48 PM 12/19/2005 -0500, Andrew Barton wrote: (re Narnia) >Lewis was an Oxford English don, and one of his areas of interest was the >history of allegory in literature. IIRC he made it quite clear that he >was not using the technique in his fiction. For a precise academic definition of the term, yes. But in ordinary usage, "allegory" is quite often used to mean "Fictional X reminds me of real-life Y, and tends toward a view of real-life Y that the author pretty clearly intends." All of Lewis' fiction, as far as I know, does fit that latter category. (If allegory is the wrong word for that, though, what's the right one? Symbolism?) From firedrake at earthlink.net Mon Dec 19 22:16:24 2005 From: firedrake at earthlink.net (Jim Davis) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] RE: OT: Kevin and Kell In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FE2928C-AC24-4829-B806-47B07CB499DF@earthlink.net> I just found this message on "Lindisfarne's Blog" at http:// www.harelink.biz/serendipity/ Sunday, December 18. 2005 TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES I received this message, whose IP address shows it apparently coming from the other side of the portal. It's from somebody named Bill Holbrook (whom I've never heard of!), but it seemed important so I thought I should pass it along. "I deeply apologize for the current situation, coming during such a crucial point in the storyline. The "K&K" server has completely crashed, and the company responsible refuses to acknowledge that there's even a problem. In frustration we're moving everything to Hare Link hosting which is where it should have been a long time ago. There we'll finally have a reliable server, but that'll take a few days. In the meantime webmaster Gary McClellan has set up an alternate site to view the strip at http://herdthinners.pvxhost.com/. Please spread the word about it to all "K&K" fans that you know." Just thought you'd like to know -- I was missing it, too. Jim Davis (who hosts another site on Hare-Link -- http://www.argentlupus.com -- for combat archery supplies) On Dec 19, 2005, at 12:01 PM, Kevin Kennedy wrote: > I haven't been able to get it or several days either. I hope > things get strightened out soon. > > Kevin K > > > >> >> I'm a big fan of Bill Holbrook and love the strip >> Kevin and Kell. Has anyone else in the world been >> having problems accessing it lately? Beginning on >> Friday it simply ceased to load into Firefox. The >> site would time out. I've tried IE and no luck >> with that 'browser' either. >> >> Any help would be GREATLY appreciated... >> >> >> -andy >> > > > -- > Lois-Bujold mailing list > Lois-Bujold@lists.herald.co.uk > http://lists.herald.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lois-bujold From A.Hendon at BrooklynPublicLibrary.org Mon Dec 19 22:24:34 2005 From: A.Hendon at BrooklynPublicLibrary.org (Hendon, Alison) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] RE: OT: Kevin and Kell Message-ID: <7C952CC727B6A94BA342634037F1F93505B46FA9@bplwired2> Bill Holbrook is the author/artist! Alison Alison M. Hendon Youth Selection Team Leader Brooklyn Public Library a.hendon@brooklynpubliclibrary.org (718) 230-2744 -----Original Message----- From: Jim Davis [mailto:firedrake@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 5:16 PM To: Discussion of the works of Lois McMaster Bujold. Subject: Re: [LMB] RE: OT: Kevin and Kell I just found this message on "Lindisfarne's Blog" at http:// www.harelink.biz/serendipity/ Sunday, December 18. 2005 TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES I received this message, whose IP address shows it apparently coming from the other side of the portal. It's from somebody named Bill Holbrook (whom I've never heard of!), but it seemed important so I thought I should pass it along. "I deeply apologize for the current situation, coming during such a crucial point in the storyline. The "K&K" server has completely crashed, and the company responsible refuses to acknowledge that there's even a problem. In frustration we're moving everything to Hare Link hosting which is where it should have been a long time ago. There we'll finally have a reliable server, but that'll take a few days. In the meantime webmaster Gary McClellan has set up an alternate site to view the strip at http://herdthinners.pvxhost.com/. Please spread the word about it to all "K&K" fans that you know." Just thought you'd like to know -- I was missing it, too. Jim Davis (who hosts another site on Hare-Link -- http://www.argentlupus.com -- for combat archery supplies) On Dec 19, 2005, at 12:01 PM, Kevin Kennedy wrote: > I haven't been able to get it or several days either. I hope > things get strightened out soon. > > Kevin K > > > >> >> I'm a big fan of Bill Holbrook and love the strip >> Kevin and Kell. Has anyone else in the world been >> having problems accessing it lately? Beginning on >> Friday it simply ceased to load into Firefox. The >> site would time out. I've tried IE and no luck >> with that 'browser' either. >> >> Any help would be GREATLY appreciated... >> >> >> -andy >> > > > -- > Lois-Bujold mailing list > Lois-Bujold@lists.herald.co.uk > http://lists.herald.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lois-bujold -- Lois-Bujold mailing list Lois-Bujold@lists.herald.co.uk http://lists.herald.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lois-bujold From firedrake at earthlink.net Mon Dec 19 22:28:13 2005 From: firedrake at earthlink.net (Jim Davis) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] RE: OT: Kevin and Kell In-Reply-To: <7C952CC727B6A94BA342634037F1F93505B46FA9@bplwired2> References: <7C952CC727B6A94BA342634037F1F93505B46FA9@bplwired2> Message-ID: <61604103-80DB-4355-87E7-AE69E882D7C2@earthlink.net> Yes, I know he is, but "Lindisfarne" writing in her Blog, would NOT necessarily "know" who Bill Holbrook is. Jim On Dec 19, 2005, at 2:24 PM, Hendon, Alison wrote: > Bill Holbrook is the author/artist! > > Alison > > Alison M. Hendon > Youth Selection Team Leader > Brooklyn Public Library > a.hendon@brooklynpubliclibrary.org > (718) 230-2744 > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Davis [mailto:firedrake@earthlink.net] > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 5:16 PM > To: Discussion of the works of Lois McMaster Bujold. > Subject: Re: [LMB] RE: OT: Kevin and Kell > > I just found this message on "Lindisfarne's Blog" at http:// > www.harelink.biz/serendipity/ > > Sunday, December 18. 2005 > TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES > > I received this message, whose IP address shows it apparently coming > from the other side of the portal. It's from somebody named Bill > Holbrook (whom I've never heard of!), but it seemed important so I > thought I should pass it along. > > "I deeply apologize for the current situation, coming during such a > crucial point in the storyline. The "K&K" server has completely > crashed, and the company responsible refuses to acknowledge that > there's even a problem. > > In frustration we're moving everything to Hare Link hosting which is > where it should have been a long time ago. There we'll finally have a > reliable server, but that'll take a few days. > > In the meantime webmaster Gary McClellan has set up an alternate site > to view the strip at http://herdthinners.pvxhost.com/. Please spread > the word about it to all "K&K" fans that you know." > > Just thought you'd like to know -- I was missing it, too. > > Jim Davis > (who hosts another site on Hare-Link -- http://www.argentlupus.com -- > for combat archery supplies) > > On Dec 19, 2005, at 12:01 PM, Kevin Kennedy wrote: > >> I haven't been able to get it or several days either. I hope >> things get strightened out soon. >> >> Kevin K >> >> >> >>> >>> I'm a big fan of Bill Holbrook and love the strip >>> Kevin and Kell. Has anyone else in the world been >>> having problems accessing it lately? Beginning on >>> Friday it simply ceased to load into Firefox. The >>> site would time out. I've tried IE and no luck >>> with that 'browser' either. >>> >>> Any help would be GREATLY appreciated... >>> >>> >>> -andy >>> >> >> >> -- >> Lois-Bujold mailing list >> Lois-Bujold@lists.herald.co.uk >> http://lists.herald.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lois-bujold > > -- > Lois-Bujold mailing list > Lois-Bujold@lists.herald.co.uk > http://lists.herald.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lois-bujold > -- > Lois-Bujold mailing list > Lois-Bujold@lists.herald.co.uk > http://lists.herald.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lois-bujold From mitchmiller at entertainmenttax.com Mon Dec 19 22:38:35 2005 From: mitchmiller at entertainmenttax.com (Mitch Miller) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Good old reliable Nathan [Was: good news!! Earthsea OT:] Message-ID: <713D77903926144E9AC1DDC3997FD6762441E2@bri-data.bri.local> That may be, but Nathan is a far more interesting character, and Guys and Dolls a far better musical. YMMV. Mitch Miller From: Noel Rappin Point taken, although Nathan Detroit places a much lower vocal demand on the performer than The Phantom From AndrewBarton at compuserve.com Mon Dec 19 23:26:30 2005 From: AndrewBarton at compuserve.com (Andrew Barton) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Narnia reading order OT: Message-ID: <200512191826_MC3-1-B360-BB4@compuserve.com> Kirsten Edwards: > That said, I reiterate: TLTW&TW is very clearly *the > first book* because the other potential "first books" > contain spoilers for it. We all may have our idisyncratic > reactions to the series, but it's a disservice to most > readers to mis-package the series so. Ford [1] says that at the time of his death Lewis had just agreed to work on revisions to the books to adapt them to the internal chronological order. He'd probably have removed one inconsistency - in 'The Voyage of the Dawn Treader' Aslan tells Lucy that no-one is ever told 'what would have happened' but at the end of 'The Magician's Nephew' Aslan does just that. One possible advantage to reading the books in the order of writing: in his entry on 'Sexism' Ford argues that Lewis's treatment of female characters develops greatly over the series. 'With the introduction of Aravis, [4] Lewis seems to have undergone a real change in his experiences of and appreciation for women.' Andrew [1] [2] 'Pocket Companion to Narnia' by Paul F Ford, see his website www.pford.stjohnsem.edu/ford/cslewis/narnia.htm Ford 'has been a student of the life and writings of CS Lewis since 1961'. [2] To repeat my reference of a few days ago [3] [3] look, Ma, nested footnotes! [4] in 'The Horse and His Boy'. From kknolte at ecity.net Mon Dec 19 16:47:58 2005 From: kknolte at ecity.net (K Kuhn) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] AKICOT:L: Mourning Customs References: <439F8449.CEB9278A@erols.com> Message-ID: <43A6E43C.3B1A@ecity.net> Margaret Dean wrote: > > Does anyone know a good place to find out about mourning customs > of the early 19th Century? I'm particularly interested in > periods of mourning, what mourning dress for men and women > consisted of (especially "half-mourning"), and what activities a > person in mourning could and could not properly engage in. > > Links would be great, resources in print would be okay too. For print, maybe "Inside the Victorian Home" by Judith Flanders, although it's more the Victorian age - the chapter on the Sickroom discusses mourning customs and dress - if Amazon has the page lookups, try p. 368 to 389. Pages 386 to 389 give a chart on exactly what a woman was expected to wear for each relative or in-law during first mourning, second mourning, ordinary mourning and half-mourning. Karen From celticdragonfly at gmail.com Tue Dec 20 00:03:44 2005 From: celticdragonfly at gmail.com (Laura Gallagher) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] AKICOT:L: Mourning Customs In-Reply-To: <43A6E43C.3B1A@ecity.net> References: <439F8449.CEB9278A@erols.com> <43A6E43C.3B1A@ecity.net> Message-ID: <209a74ed0512191603p5db52bb2t9e3d2fca77262d4b@mail.gmail.com> > For print, maybe "Inside the Victorian Home" by Judith Flanders, > although it's more the Victorian age - the chapter on the Sickroom > discusses mourning customs and dress - if Amazon has the page lookups, > try p. 368 to 389. Pages 386 to 389 give a chart on exactly what a woman > was expected to wear for each relative or in-law during first mourning, > second mourning, ordinary mourning and half-mourning. Oh, seconded, that's excellent. Later in the century, but detailed. My library had it. Laura Gallagher From jwreynold at earthlink.net Tue Dec 20 00:10:40 2005 From: jwreynold at earthlink.net (James Reynolds) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Be afraid, be very afraid In-Reply-To: <200512192228.jBJMSNXm032148@lists.herald.co.uk> References: <200512192228.jBJMSNXm032148@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: > On 17/12/05, Thomas Vinson wrote: >> We were over at Borders last night for a local music group's CD >> release >> party. While browsing through the magazine racks I glanced at the >> current issue of "Guitar World". It includes a free training CD for >> teaching yourself "Stairway to Heaven". (Snip) > ISTR seeing a list of songs which will win you instant ejection from > any right-thinking music store, and StH was right at the top. Graded > by "number of notes you might be able to get away with", I think it > comes just after "Smoke on the Water". > > Can anyone think of a hurlable song which could be recognised in fewer > notes than that? > -- > Phil > "Banned from Argo"? Jim Reynolds "What this country needs is a good five-dollar plasma weapon." From harimad2001 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 20 00:34:44 2005 From: harimad2001 at yahoo.com (J Selin) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Colors of Earthsea OT: Message-ID: <20051220003444.87381.qmail@web53714.mail.yahoo.com> >>> Kirsten shared: >>> Holy Hannah in a Handbasket: The Dark is Rising! And if >>> it's successful, we might get all the rest of the series. >> Phil pointed out: >> Interesting that they should again be starting with #2 in >> the sequence > Allison added: > My take on this is that Over Sea, Under Stone is just not > as interesting. The Dark is Rising was also the more popular book. The Grey King won the Newberry, which always perplexed me. It may be relevant that Over Sea, Under Stone was originally issued by a different publisher. Harimad __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From morales.knight at gmail.com Tue Dec 20 00:50:43 2005 From: morales.knight at gmail.com (Luis Felipe Morales Knight) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Colors of Earthsea OT: In-Reply-To: <20051220003444.87381.qmail@web53714.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051220003444.87381.qmail@web53714.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9e2c72630512191650o5fa95399y69552291b0ddde3d@mail.gmail.com> THE GREY KING won the Newbery because a dog died and it was very sad. Grief is apparently the major Newbery criterion. Luis, who read THE GREY KING first out of that series On 12/19/05, J Selin wrote: > > The Grey King won the Newberry, which always perplexed me. Harimad > From jamesandmary.burbidge at sympatico.ca Tue Dec 20 01:01:09 2005 From: jamesandmary.burbidge at sympatico.ca (James Burbidge) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Colors of Earthsea [OT: ] In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20051219135552.01f8b9d0@mail07.powweb.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20051219135552.01f8b9d0@mail07.powweb.com> Message-ID: <1135040471.1214.19.camel@ilmarin> On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 15:02, Louann Miller wrote: > At 01:48 PM 12/19/2005 -0500, Andrew Barton wrote: > > (re Narnia) > > >Lewis was an Oxford English don, and one of his areas of interest was the > >history of allegory in literature. IIRC he made it quite clear that he > >was not using the technique in his fiction. > > For a precise academic definition of the term, yes. But in ordinary usage, > "allegory" is quite often used to mean "Fictional X reminds me of real-life > Y, and tends toward a view of real-life Y that the author pretty clearly > intends." >From where I sit, "allegory" is a term of art, like "tort" or "homoousios"; especially when talking about the author of _The Allegory of Love_. Unless it is used with reasonable precision, it makes most extant discussion of allegory either incomprehensible of meaningless (_vide_ Tolkien's discussion of the distinction between "applicability" and "allegory" for an example). In fact, my general impression is that many people who talk about Narnia as allegory assume that it has to do with having some specifically religious meaning, which is even further from the definition you give; whether they would view, e.g. a psychomachia with no religious content as an allegory is an interesting question. A related question is what they would think of the "free silver" interpretation of _The Wizard of Oz". > > All of Lewis' fiction, as far as I know, does fit that latter > category. (If allegory is the wrong word for that, though, what's the > right one? Symbolism?) > I think that all literature is likely to partake of this quality, although it would be at its most minimal in the "realistic" novel post-Flaubert; certainly any literature which took the old Aristotelian/Sidneyan requirement of _dulcis et utile_ seriously. > > -- > Lois-Bujold mailing list > Lois-Bujold@lists.herald.co.uk > http://lists.herald.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lois-bujold From carbonelle at juno.com Tue Dec 20 01:26:08 2005 From: carbonelle at juno.com (Kirsten Edwards) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Time is Fleeting / Madness Takes it's Toll Message-ID: <20051219.172706.6382.185638@webmail10.lax.untd.com> Pat Matthews suggests that my lame-arse tunification (which I *can* hear in my own head, of course) is "Jingle Bells" Which it isn't - but she reminded me that my head is full of commercial Muzak as much as of carols-n-hymns: It's "Here Comes Santa Claus" Kirsten "Infantem dormientem non movere" ___________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 250MB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From carbonelle at juno.com Tue Dec 20 01:29:19 2005 From: carbonelle at juno.com (Kirsten Edwards) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Morris-ing about Message-ID: <20051219.173039.6382.185678@webmail10.lax.untd.com> LMB was wondering whether or not to indulge in **just one more Morris** or if the she mightn't be surfeited on the stuff. How 'bout some Dunsany to clear the palate? Kirsten "Infantem dormientem non movere" ___________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 250MB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From carbonelle at juno.com Tue Dec 20 01:37:26 2005 From: carbonelle at juno.com (Kirsten Edwards) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Walden Media (Was colors of earthsea) OT: Message-ID: <20051219.173736.6382.185746@webmail10.lax.untd.com> Laura G: writes of Walden Media's plans to make a movie out of Cooper's THE DARK IS RISING: "They're going to film that? Oh whoa. Definite mixed feelings. I adore the series. I'd hate to see them mangle it." If anyone can, it'll be WM, especially since Cooper is still alive-and-writing. WM as a part of the "we're doing this because we love their books" corporate philosophy **actually brings the writers on board for the screenplay** It's a shame that Lewis wasn't around for the first Narnia movie. *Why no, I don't own stock in the company, what makes you say that . But I am a librarian who regularly tries to hook kids on books and reading. I admit to being a bit smitten - but it's all in the line of duty m'kay? Kirsten "Infantem dormientem non movere" ___________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 250MB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From lbujold at myinfmail.com Tue Dec 20 02:00:56 2005 From: lbujold at myinfmail.com (Lois McMaster Bujold) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Morris-ing about with Dunsany Message-ID: <43A765D8.70607@myinfmail.com> *Kirsten Edwards* carbonelle at juno.com /Tue Dec 20 01:29:19 GMT 2005/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ LMB was wondering whether or not to indulge in **just one more Morris** or if the she mightn't be surfeited on the stuff. How 'bout some Dunsany to clear the palate? Kirsten Heh. I read up the available Lord Dunsany a couple of months ago. "Available" being defined as what my friend Pat has on her stuffed shelves, to wit, _The Charwoman's Shadow_, _The King of Elfland's Daughter_, _Don Rodriguez, or Chronicles of Shadow Valley_, and a book of short stuff, all from the Lin Carter reprint days. (As are the Morris books I'm currently enjoying.) I especially liked _Rodriguez_, a lovely blending of Don Quixote and D'Artangnan. All recommended. I love his sly humor. I would say I'm running my historical survey of modern fantasy backward, except it's more of a random or drunkard's walk. Ta, L. -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/206 - Release Date: 12/16/2005 From selene at earthlink.net Tue Dec 20 03:44:15 2005 From: selene at earthlink.net (Susan Fox) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Be afraid, be very afraid Message-ID: Phil writes: >Does it include a disclaimer about the publisher not being responsible >for damage done to the perpetrator when they are eventually flung out >of any music store in which they might consider testing out their >new-found "competence" :-) >ISTR seeing a list of songs which will win you instant ejection from >any right-thinking music store, and ["Stairway To Heaven"] was right at the top. Graded >by "number of notes you might be able to get away with", I think it >comes just after "Smoke on the Water". >Can anyone think of a hurlable song which could be recognised in fewer >notes than that? Shades of WAYNE'S WORLD, yesno? Oh let's see... My picks: Pinball Wizard [not the intro, the guitar riff that comes right after "sure plays a mean pin ball. NANA na Na NANA!] House of the Rising Sun [OK, more notes but still.] Dust in the Wind [Ditto] Hitting Google briefly, I find a list from ACOUSTIC GUITAR Magazine, Dec '95 Issue #36. Michael Simmons in "Jump Street". The top 10 songs people play most often (at least back in 95) when trying a new guitar: 1. Classical Gas 2. Stairway To Heaven 3. Blackbird 4. Embryonic Journey 5. Angie (Paul Simon Version) 6. Dust In The Wind 7. The Needle and the Damage Done 8. Freight Train 9. The Entertainer 10. Layla (unplugged version) Susan Fox / Ma Foxti selene@earthlink.net From marna at marna.ca Tue Dec 20 03:58:47 2005 From: marna at marna.ca (Marna Nightingale) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Be afraid, be very afraid In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43A78177.9070506@marna.ca> Susan Fox wrote: >>ISTR seeing a list of songs which will win you instant ejection from >>any right-thinking music store, and ["Stairway To Heaven"] was right at >>the top. Sign in the London Guitar Shop, London, Ontario, circa 1995: "No Feedback. No Weedlie-Weedlies. No Stairway to Heaven." Marna. From tonyzbaraschuk at netzero.net Tue Dec 20 04:29:56 2005 From: tonyzbaraschuk at netzero.net (tonyzbaraschuk@netzero.net) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] the joys of re-re-re-re-re-reading Message-ID: <20051219.203012.15663.154445@webmail12.nyc.untd.com> And probably a lot more "Re"s should be in that subject. (No Horuses, Amons, Osires, or Ptahs, though.) Anyway, I was indulging (yet again) in _The Curse of Chalion_, and ran into something I hadn't noticed before, which is that the reason Caz's back scars get noticed is that he's busy feeding a crow at the window and doesn't think to get his shirt back on before the page opens the door and notices them. And that's the lever that gets him dragged back into the political whirlpool and feeling desperate enough to risk himself against the dy Jironals when the moment comes. Subtle, sneaky guy in charge of the crows, isn't he? Reminds me of that comment in _The Hallowed Hunt_ about playing chess with an Opponent who sees several moves ahead. The Dratsab is turning up the stress level here, no? I wonder what else I'll turn up on this trip through... Tony Z From pgranzeau at cox.net Tue Dec 20 04:13:37 2005 From: pgranzeau at cox.net (Peter H. Granzeau) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] RE: OT: Kevin and Kell In-Reply-To: References: <200512191200.jBJC03ng009103@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20051219231243.0256d820@cox.net> From their Web site: >Due to circumstances beyond our control, kevinandkell.com was >unavailable for at least a week. The site is now being migrated >(appropriately) to the Hare-Link hosting service. Please sit tight >while we complete this transition as quickly and as seamlessly as possible. At 03:01 PM 12/19/2005, Kevin Kennedy wrote: >I haven't been able to get it or several days either. I hope things >get strightened out soon. > >Kevin K > >>I'm a big fan of Bill Holbrook and love the strip >>Kevin and Kell. Has anyone else in the world been >>having problems accessing it lately? Beginning on >>Friday it simply ceased to load into Firefox. The >>site would time out. I've tried IE and no luck >>with that 'browser' either. >> >>Any help would be GREATLY appreciated... >> >> >>-andy > > >-- >Lois-Bujold mailing list >Lois-Bujold@lists.herald.co.uk >http://lists.herald.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lois-bujold -- Regards, Pete pgranzeau@cox.net From pgranzeau at cox.net Tue Dec 20 04:20:10 2005 From: pgranzeau at cox.net (Peter H. Granzeau) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Time is Fleeting / Madness Takes it's Toll In-Reply-To: <20051219.172706.6382.185638@webmail10.lax.untd.com> References: <20051219.172706.6382.185638@webmail10.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20051219231638.02582508@cox.net> I have found what is running through my own head these days is "A One Horse Open Sleigh", which is what James Pierpont wrote in 1850 or so, and which, much modified, is now known by everyone as "Jingle Bells". The tune of the verse is quite similar, but the tune of the chorus was completely different, even given that it did use the same words. If you don't know what it sounds like, Perfesser Bill Edwards has it on his Web site (although he segues into "Jingle Bells" after two verses). At 08:26 PM 12/19/2005, Kirsten Edwards wrote: >Pat Matthews suggests that my lame-arse >tunification (which I *can* hear in my >own head, of course) is "Jingle Bells" > >Which it isn't - but she reminded me that >my head is full of commercial Muzak as >much as of carols-n-hymns: > >It's "Here Comes Santa Claus" -- Regards, Pete pgranzeau@cox.net From redlion at sff.net Tue Dec 20 05:57:35 2005 From: redlion at sff.net (B. Ross Ashley) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Be afraid, be very afraid Message-ID: <43A79D4F.8070207@sff.net> On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 19:44:15 -0800, Susan Fox wrote: > Phil writes: >>Can anyone think of a hurlable song which could be recognised in fewer >>notes than that? > > > Shades of WAYNE'S WORLD, yesno? Oh let's see... > My picks: > Pinball Wizard [not the intro, the guitar riff that comes right after > "sure plays a mean pin ball. NANA na Na NANA!] > House of the Rising Sun [OK, more notes but still.] > Dust in the Wind [Ditto] How about "Orange Blossom Special" if one is not Jim Reeves? -- B. Ross Ashley www.livejournal.com/users/brashley46/ http://brashley46.no-ip.info "It would be too painful to think that there are worlds somewhere where I got everything right." Sulien, in _The King's Name_, by Jo Walton Registered Linux user # 402119 From alayne at twobikes.ottawa.on.ca Tue Dec 20 06:01:27 2005 From: alayne at twobikes.ottawa.on.ca (alayne@twobikes.ottawa.on.ca) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Beagle 2 found on Mars? Message-ID: The BBC is reporting that the scientist behind the British Beagle 2 mission to the Red Planet says the craft may have been found in pictures of the Martian surface. Colin Pillinger is quoted as saying the mission very nearly worked but a harder-than-expected landing (because of a thinner atmosphere) may have jarred an instrument necessary for calling home. See http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4542174.stm -- Alayne McGregor alayne at twobikes.ottawa.on.ca "It is curious that nearly all the great fortunes are made by turning beautiful things into ugly ones. Making beauty out of ugliness is very ill-paid work." -- E. Nesbit, "A Course in Magic" From dreitman at mail.spiritone.com Tue Dec 20 06:12:41 2005 From: dreitman at mail.spiritone.com (Daniel R. Reitman) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Be afraid, be very afraid In-Reply-To: <200512200359.jBK3x3Y8010113@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <200512200611.jBK6BTxo013428@jade.spiritone.com> Susan Fox wrote: > Phil writes: > >Does it include a disclaimer about the publisher not being responsible > >for damage done to the perpetrator when they are eventually flung out > >of any music store in which they might consider testing out their > >new-found "competence" :-) > >ISTR seeing a list of songs which will win you instant ejection from > >any right-thinking music store, and ["Stairway To Heaven"] was right at the > top. Graded > >by "number of notes you might be able to get away with", I think it > >comes just after "Smoke on the Water". > >Can anyone think of a hurlable song which could be recognised in fewer > >notes than that? > Shades of WAYNE'S WORLD, yesno? Oh let's see... > My picks: > Pinball Wizard [not the intro, the guitar riff that comes right after "sure > plays a mean pin ball. NANA na Na NANA!] > House of the Rising Sun [OK, more notes but still.] > Dust in the Wind [Ditto] >. . . . You Really Got Me and Proud Mary are recognizable, but not hurlable. OTOH, Feelings is eminently hurlable, but not recognizable sans vocals. Dan, ad nauseam From don_iain at verizon.net Tue Dec 20 09:18:19 2005 From: don_iain at verizon.net (Richard Macdonald) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Be afraid, be very afraid References: <200512200611.jBK6BTxo013428@jade.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <43A7CC5B.82EDA984@verizon.net> > > >Can anyone think of a hurlable song which could be recognised in fewer > > >notes than that? I don't know about hurlable, but Garth Brooks "friends in low places" is recognized in concerts from just ONE note. As for being afraid "I'm Baaaccckkkk" -- Don Iain of Rannoch, OWST Husband to Lady Elizabeth of Cranstone -- Richard A. Macdonald. CPA/EA SSG (Ret), USA, ADA 16P34 "Gib mir Schokolade und niemand wird verletzt!!!!" From noelrappin at gmail.com Tue Dec 20 12:41:50 2005 From: noelrappin at gmail.com (Noel Rappin) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Good old reliable Nathan [Was: good news!! Earthsea OT:] In-Reply-To: <713D77903926144E9AC1DDC3997FD6762441E2@bri-data.bri.local> References: <713D77903926144E9AC1DDC3997FD6762441E2@bri-data.bri.local> Message-ID: <6B98851A-D833-4BEC-BCA3-BEAAEB132C41@alumni.brandeis.edu> Oh, agreed and agreed. But Nathan's part was tailored to the original actor, who wasn't much of a singer. (Blanking on name... Sam Levene -- again, thank you Wikipedia... Noel On Dec 19, 2005, at 4:38 PM, Mitch Miller wrote: > That may be, but Nathan is a far more interesting character, > and Guys and Dolls a far better musical. > > YMMV. > > Mitch Miller > > From: Noel Rappin From j-mag at brokersys.com Tue Dec 20 15:27:09 2005 From: j-mag at brokersys.com (J-Mag Guthrie) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Be afraid, be very afraid In-Reply-To: <43A79D4F.8070207@sff.net> References: <43A79D4F.8070207@sff.net> Message-ID: <1135092429.23823.0.camel@gaia.home.brokersys.com> On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 00:57 -0500, B. Ross Ashley wrote: > How about "Orange Blossom Special" if one is not Jim Reeves? I always thought of that as a fiddle tune. From lbujold at myinfmail.com Tue Dec 20 17:30:24 2005 From: lbujold at myinfmail.com (Lois McMaster Bujold) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] (news) Taiwanese sale of Chalion books Message-ID: <43A83FB0.40205@myinfmail.com> To my intense bemusement, I've signed the contract today for _The Curse of Chalion_ and _Paladin of Souls_ to a publishing company in Taiwan called Muse Publishing House. These are for translation rights worldwide *except* mainland China (they do seem to include Hong Kong and Macau), "Chinese printed in complex characters", whatever that means. I'm sure there's a listee who can provide enlightenment. I'm always rather fascinated, on contracts with China, by the very official, very traditional red chops that appear with the signatures on the signature pages. No, I don't know when this trade paperback may be expected to be released. I generally only find out about publication when the author's copies wend my way, which they don't always do. Ta, L. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/207 - Release Date: 12/19/2005 From nlbarber at alum.emory.edu Tue Dec 20 18:44:34 2005 From: nlbarber at alum.emory.edu (Nancy L. Barber) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] (news) Taiwanese sale of Chalion books In-Reply-To: <43A83FB0.40205@myinfmail.com> References: <43A83FB0.40205@myinfmail.com> Message-ID: At 11:30 AM -0600 12/20/05, Lois McMaster Bujold wrote: > These are for translation rights worldwide *except* mainland China >(they do seem to include Hong Kong and Macau), "Chinese printed in >complex characters", whatever that means. Mainland China came up with a simplified set of characters a number of years ago. Taiwan still uses the traditional complex characters with many more strokes for each. Nancy Barber From bobug at yahoo.com Tue Dec 20 18:53:51 2005 From: bobug at yahoo.com (The Sundance Kid) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Happy Holidays In-Reply-To: <200512201200.jBKC08Uh024402@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <20051220185351.16767.qmail@web52004.mail.yahoo.com> I just wanted to give a quick "Happy Holidays" (whichever you celebrate) to you guys. I've truly loved being on the mailing list this year, because it's almost always pleasant dialogue and great suggestions for reading. So, thanks :) -Heather __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From morales.knight at gmail.com Tue Dec 20 19:15:41 2005 From: morales.knight at gmail.com (Luis Felipe Morales Knight) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] (news) Taiwanese sale of Chalion books In-Reply-To: <43A83FB0.40205@myinfmail.com> References: <43A83FB0.40205@myinfmail.com> Message-ID: <9e2c72630512201115g2cb4ad41j2aee00eeb6045420@mail.gmail.com> "Complex characters" probably means "traditional characters" (as opposed to the "simplified characters" promulgated by the mainland Communist government -- back when I was a wee undergrad in first-year Chinese [studying traditional characters], my Chinese roommate made me laugh by referring to simplified characters as "Commie writing"; his parents had immigrated from China not long after the Revolution). Luis, parenthetically On 12/20/05, Lois McMaster Bujold wrote: > > "Chinese printed in complex characters", whatever that means. From lbujold at myinfmail.com Tue Dec 20 20:16:37 2005 From: lbujold at myinfmail.com (Lois McMaster Bujold) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] more Morris... Message-ID: <43A866A5.1000508@myinfmail.com> So I got a v. good giggle out of these lines from _The Sundering Flood_, Osberne taking up command of the Dalesmen, "...But this I know of you, as of all other of us Dalesmen, that ye are most wont to go each after his own will, and it is well-nigh enough to put a man off from doing a thing if another man say to him, Do it. Now this manner ye must change, since ye are become men-at-arms, and if I bid you go to the right or the left, ye need think of nought but which is your right hand and which the left; though forsooth I wot well that some of you be so perverse that even that debate may lead you into trouble and contention..." One can just picture it, yea, verily. *snrch*. Ta, L. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/207 - Release Date: 12/19/2005 From louann at millerdome.com Tue Dec 20 20:26:39 2005 From: louann at millerdome.com (Louann Miller) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Morris-ing about with Dunsany In-Reply-To: <43A765D8.70607@myinfmail.com> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20051220142503.01f9c648@mail07.powweb.com> At 08:00 PM 12/19/2005 -0600, Lois McMaster Bujold wrote: >LMB was wondering whether or not to indulge >in **just one more Morris** or if the she >mightn't be surfeited on the stuff. > >How 'bout some Dunsany to clear the palate? > > > >Kirsten > > >Heh. > >I read up the available Lord Dunsany a couple of months ago. >"Available" being defined as what my friend Pat has on her stuffed shelves, If it's any help, a lot of Dunsany is old enough to be found in public domain e-texts here. http://www.gutenberg.org/browse/authors/d#a2685 Louann From pgranzeau at cox.net Wed Dec 21 01:02:51 2005 From: pgranzeau at cox.net (Peter H. Granzeau) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] (news) Taiwanese sale of Chalion books In-Reply-To: <43A83FB0.40205@myinfmail.com> References: <43A83FB0.40205@myinfmail.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20051220195028.0255fab8@cox.net> At 12:30 PM 12/20/2005, Lois McMaster Bujold wrote: >To my intense bemusement, I've signed the contract today for _The >Curse of Chalion_ and _Paladin of Souls_ to a publishing company in >Taiwan called Muse Publishing House. These are for translation >rights worldwide *except* mainland China (they do seem to include >Hong Kong and Macau), "Chinese printed in complex characters", >whatever that means. >I'm sure there's a listee who can provide enlightenment. I'm always >rather fascinated, on contracts with China, by the very official, >very traditional red chops that appear with the signatures on the >signature pages. > >No, I don't know when this trade paperback may be expected to be >released. I generally only find out about publication when the >author's copies wend my way, which they don't always do. "Complex characters" are the traditional Chinese characters which have been in use for thousands of years. "Simplified" characters were invented in the years 1956 through 1964 in mainland China to help eradicate illiteracy, and are often quite different. -- Regards, Pete pgranzeau@cox.net From tlambs1138 at charter.net Wed Dec 21 03:42:29 2005 From: tlambs1138 at charter.net (Jean Lamb) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Birthday Tixie, this time a little early References: <200512201200.jBKC08Ug024402@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <01b101c605e0$9246bb40$e4e3be42@Samantha> This will probably show up earlier than the 21st for most people, but what the heck. Birthday Tixie must use her time wisely, what with present wrapping, card writing, and her many attempts to purchase *everything* in the Klamath Basin. So, on with the show! (throws lots of glittery Tixie dust, then dusts off the chocolates and the champagne). After all, when it comes to books--Julian's Redditt. (I always go for the cheap joke!) Happy Birthday, Julian! May you enjoy being named after a notorious Roman Emperor, about whom Gore Vidal has written a lovely novel, may you have a lovely birthday which people actually remember this close to Christmas, and may you have all the books and love and wonderful food that you want on it. (blows trimphant blast on virtual trumpet, the only one she can play decently. Don't ask about the virtual French Horn, that did not work out). Happy Birthday! Jean Lamb, tlambs1138@charter.net "Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for you are crunchy and good with lemon drops." From rachel at compromise.fsnet.co.uk Wed Dec 21 11:21:06 2005 From: rachel at compromise.fsnet.co.uk (Rachel Ganz) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Colors of Earthsea [OT: ] Message-ID: <953902.1135164066221.JavaMail.www@wwinf3101> > In fact, my general impression is that many people who talk about Narnia > as allegory assume that it has to do with having some specifically > religious meaning, which is even further from the definition you give; > whether they would view, e.g. a psychomachia with no religious content > as an allegory is an interesting question. A related question is what > they would think of the "free silver" interpretation of _The Wizard of > Oz". Can you explain this further (I've never come across any academic discussion of Baum, apart from his feminist associations). Or has the Lone Ranger's horse been kidnapped and trapped in the Emeral d City? Rachel From rachel at compromise.fsnet.co.uk Wed Dec 21 11:24:45 2005 From: rachel at compromise.fsnet.co.uk (Rachel Ganz) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Colors of Earthsea OT: Message-ID: <8149099.1135164285674.JavaMail.www@wwinf3101> >> Allison added: >> My take on this is that Over Sea, Under Stone is just not >> as interesting. >The Dark is Rising was also the more popular book. The Grey King won >the Newberry, which always perplexed me. It may be relevant that >Over Sea, Under Stone was originally issued by a different publisher. Having read the Dark is Rising when young, I always had the feel that it was written as a one-off with the open end allowing follow-ups, and the rest of the series was filled in later. I always preferred it to all the others, but maybe because it wasone of very few books that REALLy frightened me. I would guess that you could assume that Will's story is the main story, and the start, whereas Over Sea , Under Stone is an episode in the longer struggle. Rachel From rachel at compromise.fsnet.co.uk Wed Dec 21 12:17:51 2005 From: rachel at compromise.fsnet.co.uk (Rachel Ganz) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] (chat) Morris dancing Message-ID: <18890422.1135167471300.JavaMail.www@wwinf3101> There's a very funny cartoon by Burne-Jones, showing William Morris readingor reciting his own work to the artist (who is asleep in his chair). Don't have the postcard (which I bought from Kelmscott) to give the full references, but you can guess that even his friends wearied of his forsooths. Kelmscott is a gorgeous place though. (http://swapkelms.adaptivetechnologies.com/) with a river handy. Rachel. From noelrappin at gmail.com Wed Dec 21 12:48:37 2005 From: noelrappin at gmail.com (Noel Rappin) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:52 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Free Silver and Oz was Re: Colors of Earthsea [OT: ] In-Reply-To: <953902.1135164066221.JavaMail.www@wwinf3101> References: <953902.1135164066221.JavaMail.www@wwinf3101> Message-ID: <21FD0788-65B4-4962-B6B9-28B5B163C35D@alumni.brandeis.edu> Somewhat breezy discussion and link to debunking here: http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_392.html Noel On Dec 21, 2005, at 5:21 AM, Rachel Ganz wrote: >> A related question is what >> they would think of the "free silver" interpretation of _The >> Wizard of >> Oz". > > Can you explain this further (I've never come across any academic > discussion of Baum, apart from his feminist associations). From sturmvogel_66 at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 21 14:44:34 2005 From: sturmvogel_66 at sbcglobal.net (Jason Long) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:53 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Lois-Bujold Digest, Vol 7, Issue 35 In-Reply-To: <200512211200.jBLC04R3004553@lists.herald.co.uk> References: <200512211200.jBLC04R3004553@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <95EA07B0-20CD-4C68-92C4-2279BA603C94@sbcglobal.net> It occurs to me that the producers might have decided to to DiR first to avoid any major aging issues. This way Will Stanton's age isn't all that important compared to the siblings that feature in OSOS and the later books. If they'd done them chronologically you'd have a major gap between the first and third movies where the sibs don't appear. Who actually has a copy of the Grey King dedicated from Susan Cooper to Norman MacLean author of A River Runs Through It. Jason -- "If human life is priceless, then 105mm shells are a bargain." > > Message: 12 > Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:24:45 +0100 (CET) > From: Rachel Ganz > Having read the Dark is Rising when young, I always had the feel > that it was written as a one-off with the open end allowing follow- > ups, and the rest of the series was filled in later. I always > preferred it to all the others, but maybe because it wasone of very > few books that REALLy frightened me. > > I would guess that you could assume that Will's story is the main > story, and the start, whereas Over Sea , Under Stone is an episode > in the longer struggle. From t.vinson at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 21 15:02:12 2005 From: t.vinson at sbcglobal.net (Tom Vinson) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:53 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: more Morris... veering OT: Message-ID: <20051221150212.66543.qmail@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> On Tue, 20 Dec, Lois wrote quoting Morris: >"and if I bid you go to the right or the left, ye need >think of nought but which is your right hand and which >the left; though forsooth I wot well that some of you >be so perverse that even that debate may lead you into >trouble and contention..." > > One can just picture it, yea, verily. *snrch*. Picture it?? I DRIVE in it every day. Actually, Tulsa drivers always remind me of the end of Jonah: "Shouldn't I be concerned for Nineveh, that great city, in which are more than one hundred twenty thousand persons who can't discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?" Not that many cattle on the roads any more, although a co-worker had to drive around one on the way to work last week. Tom From phil.boswell at gmail.com Wed Dec 21 15:41:53 2005 From: phil.boswell at gmail.com (Phil Boswell) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:53 2006 Subject: [LMB] Re: Colors of Earthsea OT: In-Reply-To: <8149099.1135164285674.JavaMail.www@wwinf3101> References: <8149099.1135164285674.JavaMail.www@wwinf3101> Message-ID: On 21/12/05, Rachel Ganz wrote: > >> Allison added: [snip] > Having read the Dark is Rising when young, I always had the feel that it was > written as a one-off with the open end allowing follow-ups, and the rest of the > series was filled in later... > I would guess that you could assume that Will's story is the main story, and the > start, whereas Over Sea , Under Stone is an episode in the longer struggle. OSOS was published in 1965. tDiR and the rest were published in 1973/4/5/7 respectively. I wonder when the connection between OSOS and the others was made. -- Phil From vlecuyer at ksu.edu Wed Dec 21 15:54:30 2005 From: vlecuyer at ksu.edu (Victoria L'Ecuyer) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:53 2006 Subject: [LMB] Allegory in Children's Lit. was: Colors of Earthsea [OT: ] In-Reply-To: <200512211200.jBLC04R2004553@lists.herald.co.uk> References: <200512211200.jBLC04R2004553@lists.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <43A97AB6.4050506@ksu.edu> > > >> [Someone said]In fact, my general impression is that many people who talk about Narnia >> as allegory assume that it has to do with having some specifically >> religious meaning, which is even further from the definition you give; >> whether they would view, e.g. a psychomachia with no religious content >> as an allegory is an interesting question. A related question is what >> they would think of the "free silver" interpretation of _The Wizard of >> Oz". > > Rachel Ganz Can you explain this further (I've never come across any academic discussion of Baum, apart from his feminist associations). Or has the Lone Ranger's horse been kidnapped and trapped in the Emerald City? Me: Not quite. I do like the image though. One intrepretation is "The Wizard of Oz" was an allegory for the Populist party in particular and politics in general at the turn of the 20th century. If I remember correctly, and it's been 15 years since I heard the specifics, the Cowardly Lion, the Scarecrow, the Tin Man, Dorothy, Toto, the good and wicked witches all mapped onto political figure heads and the goals in the book represented things that Baum felt should be happening in the political arena--specifically replacing the gold standard with a silver standard and promoting one or two other things when it came to the economy. It's briefly mentioned here: wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Frank_Baum http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/lfbaum.htm and http://www.eh.net/bookreviews/library/0577.shtml You can buy a book about it here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0275974197/002-8034621-5430457?v=glance&n=283155 Apparently, historians really go for this theory. I first heard it during a lecture in a journalism class when I was in college. The professor was a fan of the theory. Once I got past the bemusement of _that_ topic in _this_ class, it was facinating. Victoria From rachel at compromise.fsnet.co.uk Wed Dec 21 16:18:57 2005 From: rachel at compromise.fsnet.co.uk (Rachel Ganz) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:53 2006 Subject: [LMB] Allegory in Children's Lit. was: Colors of Earthsea [OT: ] Message-ID: <29164384.1135181936975.JavaMail.www@wwinf3101> > Apparently, historians really go for this theory. I first heard it during a lecture in a journalism class when I was in college. The >professor was a fan of the theory. Once I got past the bemusement of _that_ topic in _this_ class, it was facinating. I guess it would brighten up the history lessons. I have a vague memory of reading a book of (spoof) critical essays on Winnie-the-Pooh, each positing a particular theory that lay behind the book. It reminds me of the created derivations for nursery rhymes, in which symbols have been imposed upon existing texts - much like the Baconian analysis of Shakespeare. No doubt we could find out what the dinner-party in ACC is an allegory of. For a fast first attempt, possibly the Second World War, with Miles representing the Allies, and Ekaterin representing the USSR. She storms out (the Nazi/USSR pact) in response to the anti-Communist policies. The butter-bugs would represent biological warfare - (which was not used) or possibly doodlebugs (the rockets that rained down on Britain). Cordelia and Aral represent the USA, coming late to the party. Her interest in garden design represents the passion for an idealized world and the belief in the perfectability of human nature. Mark would probably be China. Any advance, anyone? Rachel From selene at earthlink.net Wed Dec 21 17:49:47 2005 From: selene at earthlink.net (Susan Fox) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:53 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Soviet Aerospace Christmas Card Art Message-ID: <43A995BB.209@earthlink.net> Thanks to Patrick for the link... Surely the Firsters had family heirlooms like these! http://www.mazaika.com/postcard/aerospace0.htm May Father Frost be good to you all! Susan Fox / Ma Foxti selene@earthlink.net From mitchmiller at entertainmenttax.com Wed Dec 21 18:23:55 2005 From: mitchmiller at entertainmenttax.com (Mitch Miller) Date: Wed Mar 15 10:02:53 2006 Subject: [LMB] OT: Narnia [Was: Colors of Earthsea [OT:] Message-ID: <713D77903926144E9AC1DDC3997FD6762441ED@bri-data.bri.local> I haven't read the Chronicles in a long, long time, but my recollection is that Aslan and his resurrection are not all that important. My feeling (and that's the way it was played in the movie) is that, at least TLTW&TW, is an allegory, or perhaps more accurately, a child's distillation of the lessons of WWII: that you can't ignore evil; that young people will do the fighting and dying (remember, the soldiers, sailors, and airmen of WWII were only