[LMB] there's a word for it

[Azalais Aranxta]

On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, quietann wrote:

> On 8/1/06, Patricia A. Swan <zafaran at sff.net> wrote:
>
> > The full on, killing-you-right-now state is called
> > "eclampsia" and can persist up to 72 hours post birth.
> > Pre-eclampsia is the initial stages of the process when the
> > blood pressure and other factors soar and is basically the
> > warning that you are going to be dead-real-soon if something
> > isn't done immediately.

<snip>

> > Azalais mentioned that a lot of the women who she sees at the
> > transplant center she works at need a kidney transplant
> > because they kept trying to have babies even when it was
> > killing them and their kidneys.
>
> I am a bit surprised that women who have experienced
> pre-eclampsia or especially eclampsia don't go right out and
> get their tubes tied.  (Happened to a friend of mine.  The only
> cure is to take the baby, and mom can die if that isn't done.

It happened to me--we lost the baby because they insisted on
trying to leave her in a week longer and I almost died.

There are a number of reasons why this approach isn't common.
First of all in California we have a patient population that is
heavily Catholic and/or Asian (and frequently both).

Second of all, doctors really don't push it, particularly if
there hasn't been a successful pregnancy.  The fear of buyer's
remorse with tubals is so severe that many doctors don't even
bring it up.

I had to fight to get my tubes tied after my experience with
eclampsia because I had never had a live birth.  Not every woman
experiences a recurrence.  I was sure I would because previous
pregnancies (termination, miscarriage) had caused blood pressure
problems as had the Pill.  But in order to get the doc to do it I
also had to bring up my mood disorder and the fact that about
three months of pregnancy hormones is all it takes before I start
hearing voices and hallucinating.

If I had to argue to get a ligation with that kind of medical
history, imagine how someone who was less well motivated, less
confident of her medical history and less adept at
manipulating/working the healthcare delivery system would fare.

~malfoy

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