[SPAM?] Re: [LMB] Re: OT: squ/ick in some ``feminist'' sf; wassequential tartthread

[Tzivia Adler]

>PAT: Lois's character the Professora had a few things to say about retro 
>nostalgia! Don't worry - neither the 1950s nor the 1980s nor the 1990s are 
>anywhere in the future of anyone on this list any time soon. What's ahead 
>is just what you see ahead, including our men and women in Iraq and 
>Afghanistan. If my daughters were ten or fifteen years younger - or twenty 
>years younger - they might well expect to serve. And I might well consider 
>it fitting if the danger were great enough. Hmmm... "General Mathews 
>rallied her troops...."
>
>
ah, the good old days, when gentlemenmen were chivalrous and ladies were 
beautifull ...
when people play 'knight and princess' you never see volunteers to play 
peasant.   and do knights errant still spend their nights erring?  while 
princess gets to do tapestry with her ladies in waiting.

no one even remembers that part of the game, even for the rich, should be 
'dying of something gross, involving icky stuff coming out of both ends of 
hte digestive tract' or 'getting horsewhipped at a  young age for 
disrespect'


in any era, there are/were good points adn bad points, and some people 
enjoyed it more than others.

i like having options.  i never want to be a soldier - my ideal job is 
nicely air-conditioned and non-sweaty - but if a girl wants to be, she 
should be allowed to.  and if a boy doesn't want to, he shouldn't be forced. 
[1]  works both ways.

options, heh.  required reading in my grade-school (and therefore, only half 
suriving in my brain, what a loss of a good story) was a story of a young 
man in American colonial times, where e/v/e/r/y/o/n/e/ every -young man- 
joined the militia for two years or else paid a tax.  Asher Levy (i think) 
refused to pay the tax.  the judge said, pay or go to jail!  Asher Levy 
said, I'd rather joing hte militia - and what a fuss they had about letting 
a jew into the militia!  Jews, of course, 'couln't' fight.  they hadn't been 
allowed to for centuries, so it was obvious that htey were all cowards...

his mom had hysterics, his dad had hysterics, half his friends had 
hysterics, and half wanted to join up with him.  in the end he did join the 
militia.  then the town had hysterics...

so paula (you reading this?) it isn't just women but many minorities who 
were/are pushed out of positions of power and firmly squashed down to do 
invisible scut work.  its nothing new.  the new thing is protesting it, and 
expecting change to happen within one's own lifetime.

ziviya

[1] in how many places was/is it true that manly men joined the army, and 
non-soldiers were second class citizens 



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