[LMB] OT: Bitter old feminist

[Azalais Aranxta]

> Louann wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > In D*v*d W*b*r's second Honor Harrington novel, Honor is
> > sent with a small task force to a backwater planet* with near-
> > Islamic views of women's roles.

I'd have to say that a better description of that (and I have
read the book) would be Taleban/Christian Dominionist views of
women's roles.  Both Islam and Christianity have extreme sects
that view the woman's proper role as being that narrow, but
neither religion, as a whole, is opposed to women working and
playing an active role in public life.

I work at a large research hospital and I frequently see talented
female doctors and nurses wearing hijab here, and if you cover
your hair here and do not eat pork, people are more likely to
guess Muslim than Jewish.

> > The admiral briefing her remarks
> > that being in command as a woman is going to be an obstacle for her.
> >
> > Honor's first reaction is much the same blank stare as if he'd said
> > "since your height in centimeters is an even rather than an odd
> > number, that's going to be an obstacle for you."
> >
> > THAT would be feminism succeeding. When it becomes invisible,
> > like the wonderful absence of Norman/Saxon class distinctions.

I agree.  BEST DEFINITION YET.  Two thumbs up.

Ed replied:

> I've seen more and more times and places where that definition holds, here
> and now.  In data processing and technical workplaces where I've worked,
> most (if not all) of us felt just that way, that the sex (or gender) of the
> person was invisible on matters of work and often pretty invisible on social
> stuff.

That's very true in Silicon Valley, not so much on Wall Street or
in DC.  Sadly.

> P.S.  Is there some reason it's not proper to mention the names
> of other authors, here, i.e. D*v*d W*b*r's?

I think people do that to poke fun at the fact that some people
here really really like W*b*r, and some people hate him just as
much.  Personally I love many of his characters and enjoy his
books as light reading, but find the political/economic
propaganda very hard to take sometimes, particularly when I
actually agree with a point he's making and I just want to
*facepalm* at how heavy-handed and off-putting the metaphor is.

L*ck*y is the one I like to asterisk, though, and lately I've
been thinking, given how unpleasant any discussion of her books o
this list tends to get, that JK R*wl*ng should probably also be
asterisked.

~malfoy :)

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