[LMB] OT: Heroes S2 [Was: Clea Duvall]

[Azalais Aranxta]

On Thu, 4 Oct 2007, Elizabeth Holden wrote:

> --- Azalais Aranxta <tiamat at tsoft.com> wrote:
>
> > She really reminded me of Gaius Helen Mohiam in that scene.
>
> Who's that?

The creepy Reverend Mother in the first few Dune books (ignore
the prequels, I do) who masterminds everything.  She tells Paul
to get out of her head.

> > "Get out of my head!"  Yeah, I'd like to gom jabbar her.
>
> What does "gom jabbar" mean?  Wait a minute, Google will tell
> me everything.... both Dune references. Got it.

I was a hugely obsessive Dune and Darkover fan in my teens.  I no
longer have all the small details of the setting memorised (and
in Dune's case I absolutely loathe the prequels, which simplify
the motivations of a lot of the really interesting villains and
spend way too much time dwelling on the sexual evil of certain
persons), but I do tend to assume SF fans know them.

I shouldn't do this, because I am one of the ten people who never
finished The Lord of the Rings (it bored me to tears) although I
did like the Silmarillion, which bores most other people to
tears.

> > I noticed about halfway through the end of last season that
> > every time she put her hands on Nathan he'd start parroting
> > her BS, and that Peter and/or Claire were able to knock him
> > out of it but Heidi never was.
>
> Yes.

So I figured that was her power.  And was irritated with all
the people who used Nathan's behaviour after she handled him as
proof of his innate evil.  There were many LJ posts about this,
you saw most of them :)

> > Molly's parents were eaten by Sylar, whom I kind of love despite
> > his despicable habits.
>
> Heh. I don't, but he had great story bits.

Sylar is my favourite kind of villain.  Tortured, grandiose,
b at tshit crazy in a way that makes perfect sense when you know his
background, a family you can love to hate, the more unpleasant
aspects of Christianity brought to the fore (I am annoyed that we
have not seen more of this, because while that's a minus for many
people on this list and a minus for me if it's done badly, if
it's done well, I seriously love it), and with a black sense of
humour that never fails to crack me up.  "Boom."  I love to write
him, but I never want to kill him, or let him kill anyone I like,
which always leaves me in a muddle.  (Although finding people I
don't like for him to kill is never that hard.  I may yet let him
eat Angela.  Except then he'd have mind control.  Oops.)

> It's still part of my pattern: Molly ended up with the Company,
> i.e., players in the big game, just as she is now with Matt and
> Mohinder.  Though admittedly, she stayed with her parents for
> some time.

How do you figure it's a pattern if the parental separations are
all from different sources?  Okay, it's a correlation, but it
doesn't prove causality.

> > I think if Heidi had done that Nathan would be less broke up
> > about it.
>
> Could be.

Whether Heidi is a raving b*tch or Angela made her leave him to
make him crazier, he would be a lot more sanguine about their
separation if it had been in any way his choice.  Let's face it.
Heidi is still living in their house--Nathan said that he had let
her have it, and he's happy to stay in Peter's old apartment.
Heidi is still in contact with Angela.  Angela has to be paying
for everything that Nathan paid for because Nathan can't remember
what day of the week it is.  Therefore, Simon and Monty Petrelli
haven't been rescued from anything.

One of the reasons I think Angela may have manipulated her into
leaving is to ensure continued access to Nathan's kids,
especially since he's now a proven sire and his oldest child is
too old to be easily manipulated.

I probably won't be able to resist writing Nathan/OC (and I know
who the OC will be and where she will have migrated from, because
she's not stopped bitching once since the first ep this season),
if this continues.  And one of the first points the OC will make
is that Angela has access to his kids, and they have needed him
more than Peter did for a while now, and if being needed is what
makes him human, ferf*cksake do something about this problem.

> > also think that Janice has always been too much of a b*tch to
> > have left at Matt's behest, although the company could well
> > have engineered it.  Janice had one foot outside the door
> > when the show STARTED.
>
> I tend to agree: it's more likely that Janice isn't in cahoots
> with Matt.
>
> > But that does lend credence to the Angela made Heidi do it
> > theory.
>
> I love poking at patterns, especially in a show like this. I
> tend to go for Grand Unified Conspiracy theories that usually
> don't pan out, but it's fun anyway.

If the facts don't support causality they don't support
causality.  Sylar's actions are clearly not something the
Company, Linderman, or Angela predicted or want to see happening.
He's a bit of an anarchist.

This is in fact one of the reasons I like him.  I don't want him
to kill anybody I like, but there are lots of people in this
universe that I don't like.  And it's a comic book, so he's
likely to be implausibly redeemed at some point (only to go bad
again later, probably, but hey).

~malfoy :)
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Azalais Aranxta (~malfoy)
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