[LMB] About Gregor

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I do not see Gregor retiring. Like the queen I cannot imagine him
doing anything other than carrying on for life.  He has such a strong
sense of duty that he'll die in the job.

Q E II will never abdicate to Charles who is having his 60th bfday this year.

Imagine being 60 when most people are retiring and not even starting
your proper job!

Sue

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On 4/17/08, Francis Turner <francis.turner at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 5:30 PM, James Nicoll <jdnicoll at panix.com> wrote:
> > Is he going to be Barryar's Mutsuhito (who got to known after the Meiji
> >  period he reigned over) or its Alexander II of Russia, who had great
> >  intentions [1] and whose example was so glorious that the next two Czars
> >  embraced extremely reactionary policies whose net effect was to destroy
> >  their dynasty?
> >
> >  Mind you, Mutshutio's heir's reign had periods that developed not
> >  necessarily to Japan's advantage, so even a successful emperor may have a
> >  mixed legacy.
> >
> >  1: Except for the Poles and Lithuanians. I guess Komarr could stand in
> for
> >  Poland.
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> I can't comment on Russia, but I think comparisons between Barrayar
> and Japan are not really very good. True both had "the time of
> isolation" but Japan was not then subsequently invaded by other
> nations. If you want a better example consider Korea which was indeed
> invaded - Russia and Japan primarily but with assists from the US, the
> French and others. One difference though is that Korea never managed
> to throw off its invaders by itself which Barrayar did.
>
> If you do want to compare a Barrayaran Emperor to Meiji then I think
> you'd do better to look at Esar as it was Esar that began the
> modernization process and who maintained the Vor in the same sort of
> way as Meiji did with the Samurai. That makes Price Serg the
> equivalent of the Taisho emperor who was also nuts - but in the
> Japanese case the Taisho emperor got to rule for 12 years and didn't
> do anything - arguably similar to the regency period in Barrayar with
> Gregor then being equivalent to Hirohito/Showa.
>
> But that's where the comparison falls to the ground. In Japan in the
> early/mid 20th century the key movers and shakers that surrounded the
> emperor were of far lower quality than Aral Vorkosigan who would
> probably most closely resemble Admiral Togo (who was indeed in charge
> of the education of Hirohito). However Togo, unlike Aral V, was not a
> politician and thus Japans government was left to less pleasant and
> politically smart people.
>
> Hirohito seems to have learned Togo's inability to handle devious
> politicians properly. Gregor it seems to me learned from Aral and has
> far less of a problem with his surrounding ministers so although
> Gregor == Hirohito is a good match up (and Aral == Togo) because Aral
> is a far better man that Togo (perhaps Togo should have married an
> uppity American woman instead of the effacing Japanese one he did?)
>
> ps http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Togo_Heihachiro is interesting and
> accurate AFAICT
>
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