[LMB] Ivan's love life (was Ivan and ???)

[Paula Lieberman]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joel Polowin" <jpolowin at hotmail.com>


> Elizabeth Holden  wrote:
>> --- Paula Lieberman  wrote:
>>> Ivan got on my less than complimentary side with his treatment and 
>>> attitudes
>>> towards women--rather callous and unthinking and exploitationist.
>>
>> While I see him as very appreciative of them. He doesn't want to settle 
>> down, and he hasn't
>> fallen in love, but he loves sex, and he loves beautiful women, so he 
>> finds women who also don't
>> want to settle down. I love that.
>
> It's stuff like:
>
> -----
> Ivan set one of the used salad plates down on the floor, and plunked
> the kitten next to it.  He had to admit, a young animal of almost any
> kind made an excellent prop; he'd noted the way Madame Vorsoisson's cool
> expression had softened as he'd noodled with the furry little verminoid.
> -----
>
> and
>
> -----
> Ivan was an expert in the uses of a lightflyer for breaking down
> psychological barriers and creating the proper mood.  A few gentle
> swoops and you could almost always evoke some of those cute little
> shrieks where the young lady clung closer, her chest rising and falling
> as her breath came faster through parted and increasingly-kissable lips.
> -----
>
> that rather raise my hackles about Ivan's attitudes towards women.
> "He used to corner me, when my father wasn't around, and try to feel
> me up." -- Elena Bothari, in TWA.  Ivan's behaviour has improved
> somewhat since then (possibly inspired, in part, by the implied meeting
> between them in TWA), but I think he's got a long way to go.

Ivan in the guise of a predator.  Blech, blech, blech.
Catch, play with, toss as no longer sufficiently interesting.