[LMB] LQ: Laisa as Empress

Pat Mathews mathews55 at msn.com
Thu Sep 18 20:58:45 BST 2008

I understand that in societies which have dowries, that dowry is their portion just as the younger sons get a portion of a different sort, and that the dowry is supposed to be held in trust for their children. Is this correct? Because I read that Lord so-and-so had an inheritance from his mother....


> From: natali.vilic at zd.t-com.hr
> To: lois-bujold at lists.herald.co.uk
> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:42:15 +0200
> Subject: Re: [LMB] LQ: Laisa as Empress
> I wrote: (funny thing, quoting myself, but...):
> > Isn't that just sad, how women have now legal
> > rights, but in many ways are deprived of actual
> > rights. Power is in material possession, on Barrayar
> > and in our world too. So, what inalienable possession
> > do women on Barrayar have, that belongs only to
> > them alone, and not because they are daughters,
> > or wives of a certain man?
> Howard Brazee wrote:
> >Isn't this the case with men as well?
> When, perhaps when they are going through
> their menopause?
> Sorry.
> As in all patriarchal societies (as my society originally
> is) the man is the "head of the family", the first born
> son is the sole heir to the family property (such as
> it is), and from daughters it is still expected to resign
> their lawful part of the inheritance in favour of their 
> brother. In some hilly (ha!) parts of my country, it
> is still not allowed by custom that the wife would have a 
> job, and earn money of her own. She actually has to
> ask permission from her husband to shop for groceries!
> Any property that one family in Barrayar owns (regardless
> now of its size, that is not the point) belongs to the 
> head of the family, or rather the *man* of the family.
> Remember how Ekaterin's family wanted to suck her
> in back, depriving her even of her right to have an 
> opinion of her own, as if she had become an idiot the
> moment she lost a husband. Lady Allys's fate is not
> to be taken here as an example, because of her high
> connections. She is an exception that confirms the rule.
> In a hierarchy of a patriarchal family, the oldest man
> is the boss of everybody, and his sons may manage
> their families until their decisions are not in contradiction
> to the ruling of the head of the family. Usually, patriarchal
> families will not let male (I got it this time, tralalalala)
> offspring to leave, they have to stay and contribute to the
> community. A woman has to be strong, competent, 
> excellent, to fight every step of the way to gain some
> status besides being the wife of that-and-that. And 
> even than, she would be followed by the *fame* to 
> be a tom-boy (it is not a good word for it carries a sort
> of sympathy to it), a hag...
> The point is, men do not have to take the trouble,
> they are born into their rights. In patriarchal societies.
> Greetings
> Natali
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