[LMB] Honour [WAS:- Ekaterin]
paal at gis.net
Wed Nov 4 17:58:35 GMT 2009
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From: "Elizabeth Holden" <azurite at rogers.com>
To: "Discussion of the works of Lois McMaster Bujold."
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Subject: Re: [LMB] Honour [WAS:- Ekaterin]
>> George Vaughan wrote:
> GV > > If, in each of those situations, you break the law
> GV > > for your personal advantage, then you have dishonored
> GV > > yourself by breaking the law.
> Seems to me this is largely subjective and contextual - many people, like
> conscientious objectors or draft resistors or suffragettes, feel it a
> matter of honour that they must break the law. They often go to jail for
> their principles. But laws are broken.
> People who have broken laws (in fact and fiction) include Robin Hood,
> George Washington, Giordano Bruno, Louis Riel, Jean Valjean - people
> considered heroes. Was it to their advantage? Depends how you define
> Howard said:
> HB > I find that Righteous people cause quite a bit of the worst
> HB > evils in this world. It is interesting that Jesus chose
> HB > to be good over being Righteous. But it's so much easier to be
> HB > Right.
> I am completely baffled by that sentence which, even though it's written
> in English, doesn't use words I understand. What differentiation are you
> making between good, Righteous, and Right? Does that differ from
> righteous and right? What do you think it's easy to be right?
This thread has stuff in it which is creeping me out--one of them is having
to -think- about Ekaterin in terms of "because she bought into the values
and attitudes of the society she was raised in AND KEPT THOSE VALUES, she
acceded to life in a bad marriage." OUCH! Just reading the book I didn't
have that explictly in my face and conditioning me. Yes, I was aware that
she had an investment and buy-in to Barrayaran mores and values, and was
keeping them, and looked like a candidate for the role of Lady Vorkosigan
provided Tien went out an exit door in some fashion, but....
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