[LMB] Malice Towers

Damien Sullivan phoenix at ugcs.caltech.edu
Wed Apr 13 06:09:37 BST 2011


On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 10:04:55PM -0700, Tony Zbaraschuk wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 09:12:50PM -0700, Damien Sullivan wrote:
> > It's also possible that there were never any provable gods, and all the
> > "absent gods" stuff is post-apocalyptic lack of whatever the former
> > faith was in the face of mass death and desolation.  Not all fantasy has
> > unambiguously present gods.  
> 
> I think that may be taking it too far -- all the evidence we have
> seems to indicate that there were once gods (or at least stories
> about gods, and in a universe like this are they really that

Stories about gods is a big difference from proof of actual gods.

> > (Heck, as noted, it's not clear even the
> > Chalionverse does, for a skeptic.)  
> 
> CoC works very well for that, up until the climax; the other two
> are somewhat harder on the skepticism.  At any rate, all of the
> primary characters have direct encounters with one or another of
> the Five, so we as readers can be pretty sure that the gods
> exist in the 5GU.

Yes, we can.  But a random skeptic within the universe has a lot less to
go on.

> That does open up the question: how do they know anything about
> the past?  Dag, at least, is clear that (a) there are stories, and
> (b) nobody knows how reliable they are.  So the Lakewalkers do
> have a historical consciousness -- which is not always an easy
> thing to maintain, and I think it's good that they have kept it
> going and are aware that the stories they tell are stories, not
> verified.  It must be hard to keep that dual awareness going --
> in most cases, if you doubt the stories you just stop telling
> them over a few generations.

Aren't Lakewalkers literate?

-xx- Damien X-) 



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