azurite at rogers.com
Tue Jan 11 20:21:09 GMT 2011
--- On Tue, 1/11/11, Paula Lieberman <paal at gis.net> wrote:
> Aral's attracted to different
> things in people sexually than Miles is. Aral's
> attracted to the masculine, what's in Cordelia that attracts
> him are male Barrayaran honor value in a -woman-, he's
> attracted to the "secret male" in Cordelia. Miles
> likes -women- as -people-, it's not clear that -Aral- does,
I can only say that we interpret Aral quite differently. I would say that it's clear to me that Aral likes women as people (especially Cordelia) and that he sees honour as a trait that covers both men and women. I'd say we've got about equal ground to stand on as regards textev.
> The concept
> was not allowed in his worldview--and the culture that
> inculcated him with that, was much like the Barryaran
> culture which produced Aral.
Yes. No doubt. But Aral is a progressive and he learns fast, and I don't see him as being old world Vor in that way. I don't think he wants to propagate old ways of thinking, and I don't think he shares those attitudes.
> Cordelia was a massive
> exception, because he and she bonded as -equals-
> meant that Cordelia was -unique- to Aral--she has the
> position and status and role and authority that on
> -Barrayar- only a man could have....
In other words, he wanted a woman who would be his equal in the ways that mattered to him.
> Aral was Lord Vorkosigan expected to remarry and produce
> sons to continue the line of Counts Vorkosigan. Aral
> had failed to do that.
Because of his previous bad experience, I think. And because he didn't trust himself to try marriage again.
> From Aral's descriiption to
> Cordelia of Vorlord Paterfamilias forgiving all sins to the
> woman who produced legitimate male heirs for him, it's hard
> to believe that Piotr had NOT been pressuring Aral, for
> -decades- to marry =someone- and maky babies....
I'm sure Piotr wanted Aral to marry, but I think Piotr was dealing with his own bucket of guilt over the first disastrous marriage, because he arranged it - and quite possibly terminated it.
> But Aral had NOT done so. Piotr probably would even have
> welcomed Taura were she fertile and able to bear a son who
> didn't look like a "mutie.'
LOL - I'd like to see that!
> Piotr wanted legitimate
> grandsons and didn't much care who the woman was produced
He was willing to accept Cordelia, which says a lot.
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