[LMB] OT: Saudi Arabia more democratic than Barrayar

Tel teldreaming at gmail.com
Sun Sep 25 20:45:53 BST 2011


On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 11:01 AM,  <phoenix at ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 10:52:51AM -0700, RICHARD G. MOLPUS wrote:
>
>> Dorca Vorbarra unified the independent regions into one coherent body,
>> forming the Barrayaran Empire; that seems to have been recent -
>> perhaps  within the memory of Ezar or Piotr.
>
> I think it's got to be a lot older than that.  The Counts were Varadar
> Tau's tax collectors and accountants.  And the mystique and majesty of
> the Emperor and his Auditors doesn't seem like it'd arise in 100 years
> of war-torn modernization.  A Sengoku model makes more sense to me: a
> rather older Imperium, but one that lost power to the Counts for at
> least a century and probably more, before being re-unified and
> semi-pacified by Dorca.  Unitary state, decentralization and feudalism,
> unitary state again.  Possibly with a continuous but largely ignored
> line of Vorbarra Emperors in the middle.  Or maybe more wars over the
> throne.

Longer than Saudi Arabia, in any case.

I would not be shocked if there was inhabited territory historically
outside the Imperium prior to Dorca.

-Tel



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