[LMB] OT: Slavery, was Barrayaran revenues

Paula Lieberman paal at gis.net
Wed Apr 11 16:57:10 BST 2012

I never noticed any glossing over in public schools that I went to of 
indentured servitude in colonial America.  What got glossed over to a degree 
were the black non-indentured slaves in colonial New England, except for the 
likes of Crispus Atticus, a free man who'd been a slave, who was the first 
person who died in "the Boston Massacre" which was the first acknowledged 
death in what turned into the US Revolutionary War.

The perceptions and treatment of indentured servants and slaves in colonial 
America were NOT the same--indentured servants there were contracts 
stipulating the length of service and the goods and equippage and such which 
the contracted servants were to be provided with at the end of the 
indenture.  I don;t know where you are getting your perceptions/attitudes 
from, but someone who had a legal indenture contract, could sue and win 
damages from if the person(s) they were indentured to broke the contract and 
failed to carry out the terms of the contract as agreed to.  Actual slaves 
who were not indentured servants in the colonies had no such rights and 
protections and social standing.... also, once the indenture had been served 
out, the person was a full member of the community, and payback for 
ill-treatment can be -nasty-.   Social standing -mattered-...

The parts of history that are most obscure here are that some of the native 
Americans were slave holding societies--and that some of the people who'd 
grown up identifying themselves as black, discovered they weren't-- they 
were native Americans who avoided the brutal, often lethal forced relocation 
from the southern tier and western tiers of the USA to reservations in by 
masquerading as black, it being less hazardous to be identified as 
black/former slave, than as native American in the areas where the forced 
relocation was occurring.

Also little known, is that there were a lot of people who objected to the 
treatment of the native Americans.  Philips Academy in Andover had bound 
periodicals from the time in which one of the main news topics was condeming 
Andrew Jackson;s policies in the matter and the policies involved in 
treatment of the Choctaw, the Chickasaw, the Cherokee, etc.  The fact that a 
lot of New England blue bloods had native ancestors and relatives was some 
but not all of it...  (and the most lethal native American killer in 
Massachusetts, himself was half native and married to a native... according 
to a friend who's one of his descendants, he was killing one bunch of his 
native relatives on behalf of another bunch of his native relatives.... and 
that that type of warfare of relatives, is the nastiest most lethal sort. 
I'm unsure about that, but.....)

Meanwhile, here;s a slave trade link 

Jackson;s WHole in the Nexus obviously has slavery or equivalent which is 
Heinlein addressed slavery in Citizen of the Galaxy, having the protagonist 
in the book be introduced as a slave, and then later him dedicating himself 
in part to ending the slavery, which other parts of the galaxy refused to 
acknowledge existed....

-----Original Message----- 
From: Gwynne Powell
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:43 AM
To: Lois Bujold List
Subject: [LMB] OT: Slavery, was Barrayaran revenues

> From: Kirsten Edwards sphinx.graphix at gmail.com
> > Damien X wrote:
> >
> > A more abstract difference is that classical slaves were seen as people
> > down on their luck, who happened to be captive, vs. US slavery ending up
> > seeing blacks as subhumans to be bred like animals.
> >
> This is because, ironically enough, the Americans of that era *knew
> better* i.e. they knew(or professed to know, pace Mr. Wilde) that 
> enslaving
> one's fellow men was wrong. The only way to get 'round it (and the
> monetary/power incentive to so do was very great) was to convince oneself,
> and one's society that the enslaved were not, in this particular case,
> quite human. Hence the classic Methodist/abolitionist posters (not to
> mention they hymn O Holy Night) "Am I not a man and a brother")

And also, in some times and places a certain part of early US history 
quietly - it was slightly embarrassing to discuss all those white, British
convicts transported from the UK and used as slave labour doing tasks that
African slaves were doing later. It's hard to justify slavery because people 
a different skin tone are manifestly inferior, when people with your own
skin tone were used the same way.

> ObBujold: hence the resonance, esp. for her American audience, with the
> gengineered populations: Clones in Jackson's Whole, quaddies, etc. The
> utility, appeal, and also the evil of the people in power saying, "yes, 
> but
> these H. sapiens are not REALLY H. sapiens, so we can do what we will with
> them."

Showing that people don't change.

But the Haut did make a slight twist on that - since they were 

> As a side note, no discussion of the African slave trade is quite complete
> without bringing in the Arabs and the Russians: the latter's rising
> nationalist ambtions/powers making cheap "slavs" unavailable led to the
> Arab slave trade looking south. It's said one could cross the trackless
> deserts by following the bones of the dead Africans, many of whom didn't
> survive the obligatory castration...
When one supply is closed off, another is found. When one market closes,
another opens.

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