[LMB] armsmen

Howard Brazee howard at brazee.net
Mon Feb 13 01:41:33 GMT 2012

On Feb 12, 2012, at 5:54 PM, Tel wrote:

> By Miles, the lord has some obligation to provide food, clothing,
> shelter, and armament and also there's some stuff regarding family he
> doesn't go into.
> And, uh, that's about it. Aside from the weapons, these things were
> normally provided to slaves (and even the weapons, sometimes...).
> Notably, it's stated more than once an armsman does -not- have the
> right to unilaterally resign.
> In balance to that is the obligations, which Miles also doesn't fully
> detail but describes elsewhere as "the dubious privilege of following
> my orders to the letter", and the rights the lord has over the
> armsman, which Miles describes as including but not remotely limited
> to the right to prevent him from getting married and the right to
> instantly execute the armsman for disobeying orders in combat.
> And maybe the other sheaf of rights over the armsman's person are also
> limited to x situation where y circumstance applies. But (key point)
> who decides -whether- you're in x situation where y circumstance
> applies? Well, the lord. If you're in disagreement with the lord on
> whether that's true, you're SOL.
> The thing about instant execution is that there's no appeal. (But
> there doesn't seem to be an appeal anyway...)
> Societies less feudal than Barrayar usually make a strong effort to
> put disputes like that under the jurisdiction of an unrelated third
> party. One of the really major problems with Barrayaran jurisprudence
> is that it -doesn't do that- for disputes involving the elite. They're
> either (usually) immune from prosecution, judging their own case, or
> judged solely by their peers in the high nobility.

I'm not sure those are necessarily feudal characteristics.   Lots of states have similar issues without the feudal system of property control.

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