[LMB] Gender equality and genetic predispositions, was School Is no Place for a Reader OT:

Paula Lieberman paal at filker.org
Sun Sep 1 16:15:49 BST 2013

I think that woman at the bottom end get more social support than men--there 
are women out on the street, but:
o many of the male homeless are veterans, there are a lot more male veterans 
than female veterans.  I wonder what the ratio would be, normalized for age 
and service records (that is, over time there are more women in the military 
percentagewise than formerly.   If you have a military which is 95% male, 
then by pure statistics 95% of the veterans homeless of the streets are 
going to be male.  If most of that is the result of PTSD from combat, the 
percentage of male veterans out of the street will  be even higher...)
o Most women aren't perceived as violent threats and rejected by 
friends/family as such, to find shelter without support
o I suspect that Society is more willing to reach out to women to provide 
shelter, for a number of reasons not only "smaller and less physically 
intimidating" and less likely to be a rapist threat, but also socialization. 
There's I think a lot more public sentiment in favor of "Rosie's Place" and 
the idea of sanctuary for women, than there is for succoring male lushes
o Men tend to be less willing to ask for help, even if it's just directions. 
How much of this is cultural?

-----Original Message----- 
From: Rachel
Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 09:27 AM
To: lois-bujold at lists.herald.co.uk
Subject: [LMB] Gender equality and genetic predispositions, was School Is no 
Place for a Reader OT:

Paula Writes:
"Thirty years ago Berkeley and Notre Dame to name two schools I had primary
sources telling me about, were highly unequal regarding treatment and
opportunities of doctoral students in math and career path beyond grad

Academia is still quite unequal in most areas, thirty years later. When I
was younger, I sometimes felt like sexism was something that had been
overcome in Canada, or that was still in traditionally male-dominated
fields but wasn't much in mine because I didn't SEE it. But then I stopped
being just a student and started being a worker and there it was. I still
haven't suffered from it much personally, but I see my female colleagues
run into it.

But I don't think Matt denied the existence of gender inequality. He
pointed out that men and women seem to continue to select specific types of
roles despite a more equal society, and made reference to data that has
shown that there are more men on the extreme ends of the IQ scale. I'm
still reserving my judgement about the former because 1) I probably don't
know enough about it and 2) despite the controls that researchers try to
include, it just seems SO difficult to me to remove culture from the
equation. Even if we can put people in situations of outward equality, I'd
still be unsatisfied by the more silent, indoctrinated social role aspects
that start in very early childhood.

As for the latter, there does seem to be evidence that there are more men
at the extremes of the IQ scale and more women tend to be average
(relatively). But I'm not sure you can use that to account for differences
in academic fields, because most professors aren't actually up at those IQ
extremes. I recall research that followed children with extremely high IQs
with the assumption that they would be very successful in their careers
because of it, and it just didn't correlate like that. Being very, very
smart is less important for career success than is being reasonably smart
but also driven, hard working, and (perhaps unfortunately) socially adept.
Similarly, I don't think that you can account for the bottom end data by
suggesting that bottom end women are invisible. That bottom end difference
involves the population whose IQs are so low that they have difficulty
caring for themselves. Those women wouldn't be invisible, and there do seem
to be more men in that category.
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