[LMB] Marrying out of Vor

Pat Mathews mathews55 at msn.com
Tue Dec 16 20:52:29 GMT 2014



> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 12:49:31 -0800
> From: tonyz at shellx.eskimo.com
> To: lois-bujold at lists.herald.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [LMB] Marrying out of Vor
> 
> On Wed, Dec 03, 2014 at 05:58:50PM -0500, Paula Lieberman wrote:
> > I think of Heyer novels, where Lady So-and-So marries plain Mister
> > Whoever. Their children are of the aristocracy, but not the
> > nobility.  
> 
> This is the English pattern -- only one child inherited the noble
> status.  Vor status, on the contrary, seems to be extended to all
> children (which is more the norm in European aristocracies).  What
> this tended to mean, in both Europe and Japan, was that a large
> large class of people developed who had _only_ the status, but
> not the wealth that went along with it.  In England, these people
> could gradually sink into the middle class while still being
> connected to the rest of the family.  Elsewhere, not so much --
> people hung _hard_ onto their status and its privileges because
> that was all they had.
> 

That's why 17th Century Germany had so many petty Frieherrs and Ritters cluttering up the landscape, collecting tolls, etc; and Poland was even worse! 
 		 	   		  


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