[LMB] Marrying out of Vor

M R L Dolbear m.dolbear at lineone.net
Wed Dec 17 15:19:26 GMT 2014


From: Howard Brazee
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 9:12 PM

> On Dec 16, 2014, at 13:49, Tony Zbaraschuk <tonyz at shellx.eskimo.com> 
> wrote:
>
> This is the English pattern -- only one child inherited the noble
> status.  Vor status, on the contrary, seems to be extended to all
> children (which is more the norm in European aristocracies).  What
> this tended to mean, in both Europe and Japan, was that a large
> large class of people developed who had _only_ the status, but
> not the wealth that went along with it.  In England, these people
> could gradually sink into the middle class while still being
> connected to the rest of the family.  Elsewhere, not so much --
> people hung _hard_ onto their status and its privileges because
> that was all they had.

HB> I've sometimes wondered how a rank-obsessed society would be if the rank
of a child would automatically drop at each generation, according to a
formula - with set requirements for gaining some rank back.    Obviously
feudal society that did that would include military service as a way to
increase rank.   Other ways could include a one-time cash payment (one rank
only), or governmental services.    An interesting thing would be if the
mother's rank was included in the formula - in which case a daughter might
be given a chance to increase her rank as a kind of dowery.


"drop with each generation" - that's how the Barrayaran system works, thus
the sons and daughters of a count get titles but only the main line gets
them in the next generation, everyone else, like Byley, is a plain Vor.

The was a SF story which had it carried further so a Count's heir became a
Viscount when he inherited unless he did something for the public benefit
(in the story, mainly bring new inventions into use).

"Philosopher's Stone" (1967) by Christopher Anvil collected in Analog 2 and
in War Games (Baen)
http://www.baenebooks.com/p-866-war-games.aspx


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