[LMB] OT: trans issues was mpreg

Gwynne Powell gwynnepowell at hotmail.com
Sun Oct 5 14:08:11 BST 2014

> From: Damien Sullivan phoenix at mindstalk.net

Gwynne Powell wrote:
> > >> I didn't follow the whole situation in detail, but I can't understand
> > >> how someone with fully functional girl-parts can be a man. Two

> > >Damien Sullivan <phoenix at mindstalk.net> wrote:
> > > Because he says he's a man, and identifies as male, despite the body
> > > he's been saddled with.

Jeff Shultz wrote:
> > On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 5:32 PM, 
> > So... based on that logic, if they said they were a goat, and went
> > around going Baaaa... would you agree that they were a goat?

> If someone said they were a Christian, despite interpreting that
> differently than you do, would you call them a Christian?
> I wouldn't try to milk the "goat" but if I wanted to be polite to them
> I'd likely refer to them the way they want to be called, especially if
> they were going to lots of effort to be goaty.
> And the transman in question had managed to grow a beard, along with
> presumably other markers, so you know, effort had been made.
> -xx- Damien X-) 

Good point. It's polite, when dealing with the person, to respect their
preferences. But that doesn't mean that, by legal definition, they are
who or what they wish to be. I'm talking about reality, not preference.


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