[LMB] Crime and Punishment

Marc Wilson marc.wilson at gmx.co.uk
Sat Apr 9 12:57:59 BST 2016

On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 18:57:58 -0600, William A Wenrich <wawenri at msn.com>

>We see at least three modes of criminal "justice" (scare quotes intentional)
>in the nexus. 
>Beta has gone completely to the medical mode with the Mental Health Board in
>charge. You don't need to be an advocate of Dark Beta to notice that at
>least one character (drunk at the time) considered a spectacular suicide
>rather than letting the M.H.B. getting a hold of him and turning him into a
>perpetual smiler.
>Jackson's Whole has a privatized system (the source of the earlier scare
>quotes) with incarceration and forced labor going to the highest bidder.
>Earth, Escobar, and Barrayar have systems more in tune with English or
>French systems. Barrayar has capital punishment but all include long prison
>What does the list think about the different systems? We don't know how to
>emulate Beta Colony. Our current systems (I'm mostly thinking of the
>Anglosphere, Europe, the Americas and Japan.) leave a lot to be desired.
>From what I've read, long term prisoners are subject to abuse (mostly from
>other prisoners) that fit MY definition of cruel and unusual punishment and
>even torture.
>So what do you think? Penitentiaries were originally designed as a
>replacement for physical pain (flogging, branding, etc.) so the convicted
>criminal had time to repent (penitent). I don't think that has worked out
>well. Whatever we do, the prevalence of prison rape is a moral blot.

At the risk of stepping over the line into US politics, I'd say you're
heading for the JW model.  And the UK is looking to follow, while the
current bandits are in power.
The first half of our lives is ruined by our parents, and the second half by our children.
 - Clarence Darrow

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