[LMB] GJ&RQ Ch 3 - Cordelia and Sergyar

Pat Mathews MATHEWS55 at msn.com
Tue Aug 16 13:56:06 BST 2016

Marina - I totally agree with you there. And  (perhaps this should be off-list?) BTW, John Barnes has a brilliant disaster story in an anthology called THE CHANGE, in which three gifted-but-different teenagers, led by a girl who is the despair of her parents, are exactly what's needed. The story is called "The Soul Remembreth Uncouth Noises." If you're a fan of Dana Stabenow's Alaskan mysteries, she's another Lotte Getty from A Fatal Thaw, only a lot smarter.

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On Jul 21, 2016, at 01:18 AM, Beatrice Otter <beatrice_otter at haugensgalleri.com> wrote:

Nature designed most species' reproduction to keep
deleterious alleles around, to form a genetic library of variations so that
they'd be around for future changes and novel combinations with other
genes. If we get rid of that library, our natural evolution will grind to
a halt.
On 7/20/2016 6:09 PM, Zan Lynx wrote:
You would never be able to convince individual parents to have defective
children for the *possible* far, far, far future benefit of the species.

Beatrice Otter:
Can we please not talk about "defective" children? Because I'm autistic and right now, as we speak, Autism Speaks--the largest autism "charity" and "advocacy" group in the US--is funding genetic research into autism for the purposes of trying to devise a test similar to amniocentesis so that you would know before birth if your child was going to be on the autism spectrum.

I haven't heard one single autist/neurologically atypical say ANYTHING good about AS. A somewhat recent article about autism in the Pagan/Heathen/Polytheist communities, where the logo for this above wretched organization was featured, raised such an outcry in the comments, which persuaded the editor to remove it.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out what they want to do with the information. (For context: in 2006 they made a video in which one of their leaders talked about fantasizing she could murder her autistic daughter, who was sitting right next to her as she told the camera this.

That's awful! What a wretched thing to say in front of your own child, whether or not you believe they can understand you.

They didn't see a problem and were surprised by the negative response. Also, whenever a parent kills their autistic child, Autism Speaks defends them because it's so hard to have an autistic kid, so killing that kid is completely understandable.) It's pretty obvious that they are expecting parents to abort autistic babies if they can figure out a way to make it possible. And, given the leading rhetoric on how autism destroys lives (which Autism Speaks is the primary source of), it's easy to see how a lot of parents would.

IF I had been dx'd as bipolar before I became pregnant, I might have decided against having a child of my body--and that's without knowing it ran in my husband's family, largely undiagnosed. We might have adopted an older child--the ones who are harder to adopt.

Am I defective? My bad hip and bad sinuses and bad eyes are, and if that could have been cleared up prior to birth, I would be completely in favor of it.

Eyes, allergies, genetic markers for inability to process folic acid into the bioavailable form, low thyroid, diabetes, stroke--those sorts of things, yes, and could I be taller and have red hair?

 My autism ... no way in hell. You would get a completely
different person walking around in my skin. For all the rhetoric about
how terrible autism is, most of it is not bad at all. It's just
*different*, which other people *interpret* as bad. I mean, there are
bad things, but there are also good things that I would never want to
give up, and like I said, the majority of it is just different, not
better or worse.

Substitute bipolar for autism, and my response is the same: Hell, no.

That's the thing that makes me reaaaaly leery of things like the Vorkosiverse gene-cleaning technology. Who decides what is good and what isn't?

and how would consent of the changed be obtained?

Who decides what are medical problems to be fixed/eliminated and which are simply normal human variations?

Simple normal human variations seem to put quite a few folk in quite an uproar these days.

Been meaning to finish this reply for too long.


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