[LMB] A non-list perspective

Louann Miller domelouann at gmail.com
Wed Feb 24 17:11:57 GMT 2016

No matter how you slice it, I can't see the start of Aral's affair with
Jole as anything but a loss for Cordelia. Maybe a forgivable loss, maybe
even a situation where they can go forward and find some compensating gains
-- Jole is indeed a sweetie. But once, and we were there, she was
everything in the universe Aral wanted sexually. Not because he'd promised
on his Word and had to keep it, but as a freely given allegiance. He took
that gift back. She went from being everything to him to merely part of
everything. To have Cordelia say in the Authorial voice, not that she
forgave and hit the reset button and still loved but that no injury ever
happened, simply does not fit my life experience.

On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Corrina Lawson <corrinaannelawson at gmail.com
> wrote:

> I have heard grumbling on Tumblr about how all the bisexuals in the
> Vorkosigan verse end up in straight (so-called?) relationships rather than
> male/male or female/female, or whatnot. (Though I even disagree on that
> one, as it seems clear to me that Kareen and Mark have what we'd call an
> "open" relationship where sexual exploration also takes place outside their
> personal pairing, or so it seems heavily implied.)
> And the line "was bisexual" seems to have disturbed some bisexuals I know,
> as monogamy does not equal "not bisexual." I understand my friend's point
> but one has to take into account the context of that statement in
> "Barrayar." The exchange was begun as a political attack on Aral, which
> Cordelia deflected initially, the attack took a deeper cut, and that's when
> Cordelia defended her husband as monogamous, turning back the slander that
> he's busy being unfaithful and sleeping with men, as anything but that
> defense would cause Aral political damage that he cannot afford.
> But I do see how someone bisexual would flinch at it, given one of our
> world's slurs on bisexuality is that they can't be monogamous.
> I have seen other complaints about Dono but I can't follow those as they
> seem rooted in trying to make Dono's situation reflective of our world,
> rather than the fictional world in which he lives, where our
> perceptions/rules don't apply.
> Corrina
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 9:36 PM, Damien Sullivan <phoenix at mindstalk.net>
> wrote:
> > On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 11:08:46AM -0600, Lois McMaster Bujold wrote:
> >
> > > sexual-political spectrum seem to object to bisexuals in their
> > > fiction, one for being too gay, and the other for being not gay
> > > enough.
> >
> > Ooh, I'll have to go look, I've heard of "not gay enough" but rarely
> > seen it, outside of slash vs. het shipping wars in fanfic, which IME
> > isn't the same.
> >
> > In responding to Reddit comments, I realize in passing that, well, the
> > series is often called "MilSF, maybe?", but really, if we were to
> > quickly describe the climax of most of the books, it'd be more like pulp
> > adventure or spy novels than anything military.  It's usually two or
> > three people struggling alone in a room, often not even in the military.
> > The stories turn on individual action, not fleet movements.
> >
> > -xx- Damien X-)
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