[LMB] to wit to whom
marc.wilson at gmx.co.uk
Sat Oct 15 18:47:43 BST 2016
On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 00:10:46 -0500 (CDT), Lois Bujold
<lbujold at myinfmail.com> wrote:
>So, another person came back with:
>... it's a v. complex sentence by the look of it and I cd. do with the
>end to see where the object of "to think" actually is, because it isn't
>in this lot.
>But so far as I can make out,
>1. "Illyan" and all that pertains to him is bracketed behind the "that,"
>so he and the rest of his qualifiers can't be the direct object.
>2. To construct an untwistable analogy, which could happen with just a
>noun or even with "you," if you wrote "To think that I/me would do such
>a thing," I at least would unhesitatingly choose the "I."
>3. Which means that if "Illyan" is in the place of "I", he must, like
>the pronoun dictated by common usage, be in the nominative case.
>4. Which means that every clause dependent on him and therefore using a
>pronoun like "who," will also use the nominative case for its pronoun.
>5. So, as far as I can see, both the "whoms" should be "who." It looks
>awkward, but it will look awkward either way, as these things sometimes do.
>So now I have convincing-sounding votes both ways, sigh.
>I admit, the above would be more useful to me if I could remember what a
>direct object was, last encountered in school 53 years ago; and I know I
>never learned what a nominative case is, ever.
>It probably doesn't help that it's a sentence fragment in 3rd-person
>past-tense stream-of-consciousness. Perhaps I shall just blame it on Miles.
>For reference, the full passage in question goes:
>To think that Illyan, whom hed
>known all his life, whom hed assumed trusted him implicitly or why
>else send him on a series of such distant, independent
>missions. . . . Hed been proud to be so trusted, while still a young
>officer, with so little direct supervision in his covert ops.
>On another head, as a sentence fragment I see it ought to have the
>ellipsis without a period, aka a three-dot ellipsis. While we're at it.
Another "who" vote from me. "Whom" just sounds wrong, like false
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