[LMB] Is Barr a rapist? or I'm misunderstanding beguilement?

Federico Bergstein almirantenaismith at gmail.com
Fri Aug 2 12:23:07 BST 2019


So, we can compare Barr's behavior to a guy spiking a girl's drink with
alcohol and then taking advantage of her lack of inhibitions.
Still pretty shitty, bordering on rapey.


On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 3:50 AM Gwynne Powell <gwynnepowell at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> From: Federico Bergstein <almirantenaismith at gmail.com>
>
> I'm reading Knife Children and while Barr is likeable character in it, I
> can't keep out of my head that he is a rapist, I mean, he mind controlled
> Bluebell into having sex with him did he not?.
> However I read Beguilement a very long time ago and may be misunderstanding
> the Beguilement concept.
> What do you think?
>
> Gwynne: Barr certainly thinks he used his powers on her. I'm not sure how
> effective they were when he was still a teenager. It was certainly a lousy
> thing to do, and he is ashamed of it later.
>
> Bluebell had flirted with him, and sought him out; she seemed to be very
> interested in him before he tried anything. And her sister's behaviour is
> interesting; she's very disapproving, but she stands guard for them and she
> doesn't run screaming to her parents, then or ever. I'm wondering if it was
> Bell's first flirtation, or if she'd been a bit adventurous before. (That
> doesn't
> justify Barr doing anything, but she may have been consenting more than
> Barr realised.)
>
> And then there's the problem of Calla putting the 'fluence on her husband
> to marry her. She certainly believed she'd trapped him, and there was a
> suggestion implanted, but Dag believes that it did no more than nudge him
> in a direction he was already moving. But Calla is as guilty as Barr of
> trying
> to use power to force someone, even if in one or both cases the victim was
> already moving in that direction.
>
> Barr was definitely a predatory young lout. Fawn points out that he has no
> idea of the damage he did to Bell; he also had no idea of the problems of
> an
> unwanted pregnancy, which in camp was rare and wasn't seen as much of
> a difficulty. And no notion of the concept and value of virginity in farmer
> culture. He was drunk on youth and power, and didn't care much about
> the problems of farmers. Later in life he has a much clearer idea, and is
> ashamed of his actions. And it adds to the terror when his daughter is
> missing;
> karma in action. Barr becomes a much better person as he grows up - mostly
> due to Dag and Fawn, and to more knowledge about life and about farmers.
> I really didn't like Barr at first, but he improved.
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