[LMB] Is Barr a rapist? or I'm misunderstanding beguilement?

Federico Bergstein almirantenaismith at gmail.com
Sun Aug 4 22:24:21 BST 2019


A problem with that is that Barr never really paid for his crime, (I think,
perhaps the voyage to the sea could be considered punishment? but not
enough)
I think that if Barr was in my life I would want him far away.

On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 10:15 AM M. Haller Yamada <thefabmadamem at yahoo.com>
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> On Friday, August 2, 2019, 09:59:58 PM GMT+9, Howard Brazee <
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> > On Aug 2, 2019, at 5:23 AM, Federico Bergstein <
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> > So, we can compare Barr's behavior to a guy spiking a girl's drink with
> > alcohol and then taking advantage of her lack of inhibitions.
> > Still pretty shitty, bordering on rapey.
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> Good comparison.
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> I think there isn't any denying that Barr used his powers for his own
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> desires as a teenager, and yes, I think it was bordering on rapey -- or,
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> crossed the line into rape. There's a difference between she probably would
> have said yes, and she did say yes.
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> And this is a common discourse these days. But I will say, having read
> Lois all these years, I have to wonder if there's a place for redemption.
> Barr was a jerk and a rapist as a young man, but he reformed. AFAweK,
> he never used his powers to beguile anyone else into sex (or for
> other shady purposes). And this story is all about how he tried to make
> it right. It is not easy, and forgiveness is not always available.
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> But I think Barr has been redeemed.
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> Of course, if he ever did beguiled another Farmer, he'd be right back in
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> condemned box -- and I don't know if I'd allow that he could redeem
> himself.
> One bad period in life is one thing; repeated bad periods is . . . well,
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> depend on who was harmed.
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> Repeated falling-off-the-wagon without the problematic behaviors that often
> accompany it is redeemable. But assaulting a spouse while drunk, then
> getting clean, then falling off the wagon and assaulting a new spouse . . .
> that's a lot harder to make a case of redemption for. I'd like to say it
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> possible, but it's such a gamble for the innocent bystanders to presume
> that a person will stay redeemed.
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> To be honest, if Barr was in my life and I knew about all this, I don't
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> if I would trust him. But I trust Lois to be fairly reliable, so in the
> story, I do
> trust him to stay reformed.
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> It's a very, very complicated issue.
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> Micki
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