[LMB] Prejudice on Barrayar

Eric Oppen ravenclaweric at gmail.com
Wed Aug 7 19:37:19 BST 2019

I don't know that we know how long the Time of Isolation was.   I think
Herself is deliberately vague about how far in the future the Vorkosiverse

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 12:30 PM Lorelei Kaena <lorelei.kaena at gmail.com>

>  Barrayar got there, but I doubt it got there quickly.
> Remember how long ago this series was started, and how differently we
> understand (due to technological advancements) archeology and what finds we
> already have.
> Herself hasn’t written much about the beginnings of the colony, but I very
> much doubt they went straight to infanticide and other atrocities (the
> expectation that the newly disabled will kill themselves, or be killed or
> hidden). Sure, it’s been done in some cultures, but given the known mix we
> have, it should have taken time to lose the taboo and build the ritual.
> Turlach
> > On 7 Aug 2019, at 12:17, Gwynne Powell <gwynnepowell at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > From: Lorelei Kaena <lorelei.kaena at gmail.com>
> >
> > Everyone would have been needed to help do anything. Do you know how
> much time it takes to make cloth?
> > That?s the answer to some of your questions about children, the elderly,
> and disabled. Cloth production from raw fiber is time consuming but nearly
> everyone can do each step.
> > Then there?s watching the kids. Why have an able-bodied woman in the
> house who can be working a field when a elderly or disabled person or
> people can ride herd on the kids? That?s why the living in family groups.
> It?s simple social dynamics.
> > They?ve found disabled, healed Neanderthals, who had obviously lived
> with their conditions but were useless to the group. We aren?t baseline
> savages.
> > Turlach
> >
> > Gwynne: As I said on a previous post, that's true. But not relevant.
> > People make decisions in a panic, for personal rather than long-term
> > reasons, and do whatever they think is right at the time.
> >
> > SOME of the injured/disabled could do those jobs. And probably did.
> > But some had a very long healing time, or high medical needs, and
> > the resources to do that simply weren't there. And over time it became
> > accepted that they just couldn't be supported, because it's less
> > shattering to live with a code than to have to make each decision
> > personally.
> >
> > Kou notes that someone with his injuries would be expected to commit
> > suicide. And that's probably from a long tradition. To help your family,
> > you'd be expected to do what had to be done. And isolated events became
> > the custom, long after there was need for it.
> >
> > And we have to factor in that many injuries and conditions were due to
> > radiation, or to genetically-damaging native flora. So that we're talking
> > about a large percentage of the population, and pretty severe conditions.
> >
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