[LMB] Language drift on Barrayar

Lorelei Kaena lorelei.kaena at gmail.com
Fri Aug 9 00:19:38 BST 2019

I’m not arguing that! 

I’m just saying my headcannon was that it was a slow slide. 

The disabled: First only the unsavable, or those who would need equipment they didn’t have. What anyone would want, right? What my grandmama chose. 
But then edge cases got less and less

LGBTQI—They knew they were going to a colony. The Firsters were willing. And even in the books, as long as you have your family... well, other things are looked away from. Not the best, but you can track a ‘babies first, then do you’ to a ‘respectable families do this, then there are the town clowns’. 

Women—Well. With the women pregnant and dying from excessive childbirth without modern healthcare, it would have been much harder to keep parity. Still, Vorfemme knives and right to defense made it. 

I guess I like to have as sunny a view as possible. :)


> On 7 Aug 2019, at 04:40, Gwynne Powell <gwynnepowell at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Something to add to the debate about prejudice: sadly, in some cases
> there's a historical reason for certain prejudices, even though they're
> carried on long after there's a need for them.
> Using Barrayar as an example: Many of the prejudices within the society
> came from the horrific conditions faced at the beginning.
> Against the handicapped - because society didn't have the resources
> to support non-productive members. Even stronger when it was a
> baby with severe problems - they didn't have the time, people, skills
> or food for someone with a lifetime of problems. And while the mother
> was tied up caring for that child she was losing valuable breeding time.
> Against anyone not heterosexual - because all healthy people were
> needed to breed, they had a limited gene pool and a high level of
> mutations and problems.
> To limit women - because their most important role was to reproduce.
> Women choosing to delay reproduction for careers, or who wanted jobs
> that might lead to genetic damage, were a loss to the breeding pool.
> It sounds cruel, and it often was. But it came down to some very basic
> and serious problems. Because the colony survived it's easy to overlook
> the fact that it very nearly didn't. For a long time it was marginal, and
> they had to make some difficult adjustments.
> Then long after the need was gone, their society was structured that way,
> and so it continued. Which is the story of many of the problems we have
> in our societies; 'It seemed like a good idea at the time' covers most social
> development, and most of the problems when it all goes wrong.
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