[LMB] What makes a character irredeemable?

Pat Mathews mathews55 at msn.com
Wed Aug 14 14:52:14 BST 2019

One brand of Satanism is thoroughly Christian, but just with the + and - signs reversed. That's the historical brand. Another brand is thoroughly secular, "Ayn Rand in robes and having orgies." that's LeVey's well-publicized sect.
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There are several different approaches to Satanism.  Some are
supernaturalistic, others, not.

If Kiri Morgan were still on the list, she could explain it better than I

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 12:48 AM Luke Bretscher <rocketman0739 at gmail.com>

> On Aug 13, 2019, at 9:11 PM, Beatrice Otter <beatrice_otter at zoho.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >Point of order, I know very little about Satanism, but I'm pretty sure
> >Satanists don't believe that Satan is evil; they think God is. A Christian
> >turning to the Devil for evil power is not Satanism, it is (in Christian
> terms)
> >witchcraft. (But also not the same thing Wiccans call witchcraft.)
> Well, sort of. The real issue is that many or most people talking
> about Satanism in the modern day, especially those identifying as
> Satanists, use terminology and imagery appropriated from Christian
> thought, but use them to mean things entirely different. It's a bit of
> a Humpty-Dumpty problem:
> "When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean—neither
> more nor less."
> So does Satanism mean... 1) knowingly consorting with the Evil One
> against one's own interests, 2) going over to Satan's side because you
> actually believe he's right and God is wrong, or 3) actually just
> being an atheist but in an especially edgy way? There's no right
> answer, because it means all of those things to different people.
> Luke
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