[LMB] What makes a character irredeemable?

Eric Oppen ravenclaweric at gmail.com
Wed Aug 14 18:59:19 BST 2019


There's always this outfit...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO1s_wNm2Ac&t=154s

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 8:52 AM Pat Mathews <mathews55 at msn.com> wrote:

> One brand of Satanism is thoroughly Christian, but just with the + and -
> signs reversed. That's the historical brand. Another brand is thoroughly
> secular, "Ayn Rand in robes and having orgies." that's LeVey's
> well-publicized sect.
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> There are several different approaches to Satanism.  Some are
> supernaturalistic, others, not.
>
> If Kiri Morgan were still on the list, she could explain it better than I
> can.
>
> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 12:48 AM Luke Bretscher <rocketman0739 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 13, 2019, at 9:11 PM, Beatrice Otter <beatrice_otter at zoho.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >Point of order, I know very little about Satanism, but I'm pretty sure
> > >Satanists don't believe that Satan is evil; they think God is. A
> Christian
> > >turning to the Devil for evil power is not Satanism, it is (in Christian
> > terms)
> > >witchcraft. (But also not the same thing Wiccans call witchcraft.)
> >
> > Well, sort of. The real issue is that many or most people talking
> > about Satanism in the modern day, especially those identifying as
> > Satanists, use terminology and imagery appropriated from Christian
> > thought, but use them to mean things entirely different. It's a bit of
> > a Humpty-Dumpty problem:
> >
> > "When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean—neither
> > more nor less."
> >
> > So does Satanism mean... 1) knowingly consorting with the Evil One
> > against one's own interests, 2) going over to Satan's side because you
> > actually believe he's right and God is wrong, or 3) actually just
> > being an atheist but in an especially edgy way? There's no right
> > answer, because it means all of those things to different people.
> >
> > Luke
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