[LMB] Speaking of Heinlein...I think I have a great movie idea...

Doug Weinfield douglasw at his.com
Mon Aug 19 02:08:04 BST 2019


Taking really just one major liberty with the original:  What if someone made a movie of “Citizen of the Galaxy,” but with the genders of Colonel Baslim and Thorby flipped to female?

I think that could be amazing!  Really interesting possibilities for insights into social and cultural aspects of gender relations. And in the Traders and in the Patrol....!

What do you think? I have to admit, I love it!

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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2019 18:07:06 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Richard Molpus <rgmolpus at flash.net>
> Subject: Re: [LMB] Fwd: Re: Trailer for a movie based on _Barrayar_ I
>    found at Youtube
> To: "Discussion of the works of Lois McMaster Bujold."
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> No, lets digitally shrink the Rock to get Miles, and expand Peter to Aral's size. 
> 
> Bella Ramsey as Cordelia - in a few years.
> 
> Maisey Williams as Elena Bothari-Jesek
> Iain Glenn as Bothari.
> Aiden Gillen as Simon Illyan.
> Charles Dance as Piotr Vorkosigan.
> 
>   On Sunday, August 18, 2019, 12:37:01 PM CDT, Baur <baur at chello.at> wrote:  
> 
> now that you mention it - peter dinklage as miles?
> 
> 8)
> 
> servus
> 
> markus
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>> Am 18.08.2019 um 19:16 schrieb Eric Oppen:
>> I'm surprised that this hasn't led us back to the Dread Casting Thread.
>> 
>> On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 9:06 AM Gwynne Powell <gwynnepowell at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
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>>> From: Eric Oppen <ravenclaweric at gmail.com>
>>> 
>>> This could be for a movie combining _Shards_ and _Barrayar._
>>> What do you all think?
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESVRsL-napw
>>> 
>>> Gwynne: That really leaves you wanting more.
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> Subject: Re: [LMB] was: Language Now Vat Meat Ethics
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>> On 8/15/2019 8:33 AM, Gwynne Powell wrote:
>> At the moment there's a big argument going on about the term
>> 'milk'. Dairy producers want it to mean only dairy. There's almond milk, soy milk, etc -
>> if they use a recognised term it's easier to sell the product, and people know where it
>> fits in. 'Soy-based white liquid' just doesn't seem the same.
>> 
> The major issue with the Dairy Industry trying to control labeling is 
> that almond squeezings have been called 'almond milk' for some 800 years 
> or so that *I* am cognizant of [my hobby is historical cooking so I have 
> copies of some 40 or so 'cook books' ranging from Imperial Rome through 
> Elizabethan England,? from as far west as Iceland and as far east as 
> China.] When the Almond Milk industry can point to it as being referred 
> to as almond milk for centuries, I don't really forsee a problem, prior 
> art is a strong influence.
> 
> Milk is also used in the cosmetic industry- lait du corps, body milk is 
> a class of thin milklike or cream [as in moo juice, not ointment] like 
> liquid used topically. I am sure the cosmetics industry would be more 
> than happy to tell the dairy industry to pack sand =)
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> Subject: Re: [LMB] was: Language Now Vat Meat Ethics
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>> On 8/15/2019 2:01 PM, Carol Botteron wrote:
>> More varieties of vat meat being developed, ranging from bacon to kangaroo.
>> https://www.inverse.com/article/58515-lab-grown-meat-beyond-burgers-the-7-in-vitro-foods-coming-to-plates
> 
> <shrug>? I have no problem with the idea at all - I would love to try 
> some of the exotics as long as the flavor is the same[texture would be a 
> bonus]
> 
> I have figured a way to make clone-surimi - if one takes into account 
> that it is reasonably easy [for certain values of easy] to clone 2 or 4 
> cell thick vat protein sheets, I can remember a brand of fake crab legs 
> that was a sheet of surimi rolled up and dyed pinkish red along one face 
> to mimic the look of a crab leg. If you clone the sheet of vat krab and 
> roll it,using 'meat glue' to secure it into the roll, you have 
> reasonably well emulated a crab leg, or shrimp, or if larger in diameter 
> or done in layers a lobster tail.
> 
> See, there is a class of foods in medieval cooking called a 'warner' 
> where you make something out of something totally different, I have seen 
> a filet of fish made of thin slices of cooked egg white stuck together 
> with more egg white and then poached - then breaded and fried like a 
> fish fillet. I have also seen a hard boiled egg made of white and yellow 
> died fish puree molded in blown egg shells =) So why not take advantage 
> of the textural differences of certain seafoods that don't have a land 
> based animal muscle and vein structure =) Rob also pointed out that one 
> might make a reasonable clam or oyster for deep frying by just pureeing 
> the vat sheets into a slurry - I can remember faux deep fried shrimps 
> made that way [as well as fish sticks molded from slurry then breaded 
> and fried]
> 
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> From: "Jean Lamb" <tlambs1138 at charter.net>
> Subject: [LMB]   Fwd: Re:  O.G. Rappers OT:
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> Analyzing a poem to death is not a New, Modern Thing--I can still remember
> bits of 'The Rime of the Ancient Mariner' as deconstructed at GREAT length
> in my eighth grade English class, over 50 years ago. (though admittedly we
> loved how the English teacher in my senior year in high school explained all
> the Nurse's jokes in 'Romeo and Juliet'). 
> 
> 
> Jean Lamb
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> https://www.amazon.com/Jean-Lamb/e/B00IR0YO20
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> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2019 21:52:20 +0000
> From: "Harvey Fishman" <fishman at panix.com>
> Subject: Re: [LMB] was: Language Now Vat Meat Ethics
> To: "Discussion of the works of Lois McMaster Bujold."
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> People have been confused for hundreds of years. Isn't it about time we 
> cleared things up?
> 
> Harvey
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> Sent: 8/18/2019 5:39:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [LMB] was: Language Now Vat Meat Ethics
> 
>>> On 8/15/2019 8:33 AM, Gwynne Powell wrote:
>>> At the moment there's a big argument going on about the term
>>> 'milk'. Dairy producers want it to mean only dairy. There's almond milk, soy milk, etc -
>>> if they use a recognised term it's easier to sell the product, and people know where it
>>> fits in. 'Soy-based white liquid' just doesn't seem the same.
>>> 
>> The major issue with the Dairy Industry trying to control labeling is that almond squeezings have been called 'almond milk' for some 800 years or so that *I* am cognizant of [my hobby is historical cooking so I have copies of some 40 or so 'cook books' ranging from Imperial Rome through Elizabethan England,  from as far west as Iceland and as far east as China.] When the Almond Milk industry can point to it as being referred to as almond milk for centuries, I don't really forsee a problem, prior art is a strong influence.
>> 
>> Milk is also used in the cosmetic industry- lait du corps, body milk is a class of thin milklike or cream [as in moo juice, not ointment] like liquid used topically. I am sure the cosmetics industry would be more than happy to tell the dairy industry to pack sand =)
>> 
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> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2019 22:47:18 +0000
> From: Pat Mathews <mathews55 at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [LMB] Fwd: Re:  O.G. Rappers OT:
> To: "Discussion of the works of Lois McMaster Bujold."
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> Oh, I know; I do remember. All the poetry I ever memorized, I memorized as songs, either from filking or from church or from some of the songs popular in the blessed heyday of folk music. Even now if we sing "Morning has Broken," I do it in the style of Cat Stevens!
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> Subject: [LMB] Fwd: Re: O.G. Rappers OT:
> 
> Analyzing a poem to death is not a New, Modern Thing--I can still remember
> bits of 'The Rime of the Ancient Mariner' as deconstructed at GREAT length
> in my eighth grade English class, over 50 years ago. (though admittedly we
> loved how the English teacher in my senior year in high school explained all
> the Nurse's jokes in 'Romeo and Juliet').
> 
> 
> Jean Lamb
> tlambs1138 at charter.net
> https://www.amazon.com/Jean-Lamb/e/B00IR0YO20
> 
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> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2019 18:51:55 -0400
> From: Aruvqan <aruvqan at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [LMB] Trailer for a movie based on _Barrayar_ I found at
>    Youtube
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>> On 8/18/2019 10:05 AM, Gwynne Powell wrote:
>> From: Eric Oppen<ravenclaweric at gmail.com>
>> 
>> This could be for a movie combining _Shards_ and _Barrayar._
>> What do you all think?
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESVRsL-napw
>> 
>> Gwynne: That really leaves you wanting more.
>> 
> OK
> 
> 00:10 is the captains quarters in station, EVE Online, the in hangar 
> ships is also EVE Online. 00:15 I *think*? is part of the HALO ODST 
> trailer, 00:16 is EVE Online ship to ship? combat, 00:28 is an O.R.E. 
> Exhumer [mining vessel] with a Rifter flying escort ]?] - actually I 
> could probably ID all the EVE footage vessels, but it would be boring 
> and silly. Though I can really recommend playing Eve as fun if you like 
> SF [for certain values of fun, it is referred to as Spaceships and 
> Spreadsheets for a reason. It is also extremely antisocial PvP and 
> unstructured, they slap you into a bod pod, give you a baby ship and 
> kick you out the door with a few training missions to get you sort of 
> accustomed to equipping and using fighting and mining set ups.]
> 
> Actually, though I really haven't played in almost a year and a half 
> [chemo brain =( ] I am willing to log in and help if you are interested, 
> though I would actually recommend using the test server even though it 
> isn't really populated, and sometimes gets really funky. You can 
> actually buy everything dirt cheap because they want people to test 
> equipment and such for various reasons, it is also a good place to learn 
> to use ships, Vile Rat taught me to 'duel' in an Armageddon class 
> battleship.
> 
> I have to admit, I like to get into my blockade runner and bomb around 
> sightseeing =) I would love it if I had a VR setup, the user interface 
> is supposed to sort of emulate the virtual reality sound and vision you 
> would get if you were really installed in a bodpod.
> 
> 
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> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2019 01:22:42 +0100
> From: Marc Wilson <marc.wilson at gmx.co.uk>
> Subject: [LMB] FW:  Fwd: Re:  O.G. Rappers OT:
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> On Sat, 17 Aug 2019 14:13:27 +0000 (UTC), pouncer at aol.com wrote in
> message ID <809826449.460725.1566051207951 at mail.yahoo.com>:
> 
>> I'm old, now. But back in MY day the education system rewarded us
>> for memorizing narrative poems.? Robert W Service and Ruyard
>> Kipling... ? Robert Frost and Emily Dickinson are all very well but
>> Longfellow and Coleridge and Noyes,? oh my!
>> 
>> The wind was a torrent of darkness, upon the gusty trees,
>> The moon was a ghostly galleon, tossing on cloudy seas,
>> The road was a ribbon of silver across the purple moor,
>> and the Highwayman came riding, riding, riding,
>> The Highwayman came riding up, up to the old inn-door ...
> 
> The only poems I know by heart are by James Elroy Flecker and John
> Brunner.
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> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2019 01:25:47 +0100
> From: Marc Wilson <marc.wilson at gmx.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [LMB] was: Language Now Vat Meat Ethics
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> On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 17:14:45 +0000, "Parish, James" <jparish at siue.edu>
> wrote:
> 
>> Howard Brazee wrote:
>>> It?s funny that fish flesh isn?t considered ?meat? by many.
>> 
>> 
>> There's an old idiom: "neither fish, flesh, nor fowl". (Apparently
>> there's an even older one, from which it's derived: "neither fish,
>> flesh, nor good red herring", which makes less sense to me; on the other
>> hand, I once heard someone actually say the latter.)
> 
> Fish was eaten by the clergy, flesh by the rich and the dried and smoked
> herrings by the poor. So this list of the foods eaten by all classes of
> society was a metaphor for 'encompassing all eventualities'.
> 
> https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/red-herring.html
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