[LMB] Dark Ages [not], was, What makes ...

Elizabeth ladylyzbeth at gmail.com
Wed Aug 21 22:19:27 BST 2019


That was a PBS series and my kids and I loved it. So much info and
unexpected connections!

~~~ *Elizabeth W*

*Experience make us see an enormous difference between piety and goodness.
Blaise Pascal*




On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 4:59 PM Raymond Collins <rcrcoll6 at gmail.com> wrote:

> One of greatest books on the subject was James Burke's "Connections,".
>
> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019, 10:09 AM Thomas Izbicki <tizbick at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > L. Sprague De Camp wrote "Aristotle and the Gun". a time traveler
> > introduces forearms to the Philosopher, who decides against the line of
> > teaching that would produce our technological society. This is the
> opposite
> > of the same author's Lest Darkness Fall, in which an archeologist is
> thrust
> > back into Italy before Justinian's army invades. The changes he
> introduces
> > lead to their being no "dark ages".
> > Tom Izbicki
> > ________________________________
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> > lois-bujold-bounces at lists.herald.co.uk> on behalf of Pat Mathews <
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> > Subject: Re: [LMB] Dark Ages [not], was, What makes ...
> >
> > The study of medieval technical innovations - and they were many - is a
> > fascinating field in itself. One of the stories in a 1632 anthology - by
> > David Brin - had a village from 1632 transposed 1st Century AD Rome, and
> > Brin expected the gunpowder weapons of the 17th century folk to wow the
> > Romans with how advanced they were. When actually, the public baths and
> > huge civil engineering projects and comfortable villas with central
> heating
> > (did anybody ever rediscover and use the hypocaust?) and indoor plumbing
> > would have blown away the Early Moderns with *their* level of
> advancement.
> >
> > And of course, Brin assumes that technical advancements would be the
> > criteria everyone would use, whereas I'm sure religious matters would
> mean
> > a lot more to 17th Century people than he can possibly think. But the
> > educated ones would expect that - and might even set out to bring The
> True
> > Faith to an  officially polytheist, polyglot empire. Now, there would be
> a
> > story worth writing.
> > ________________________________
> > From: lois-bujold-bounces at lists.herald.co.uk <
> > lois-bujold-bounces at lists.herald.co.uk> on behalf of Parish, James <
> > jparish at siue.edu>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 6:51 AM
> > To: lois-bujold at lists.herald.co.uk <lois-bujold at lists.herald.co.uk>
> > Subject: Re: [LMB] Dark Ages [not], was, What makes ...
> >
> > WILLIAM A WENRICH wrote:
> >
> > > There were technologies lost. However, two inventions had profound
> > impacts on society. The smaller impact was the stirrup which enabled
> heavy
> > calvary. No stirrups, no knights and probably no development of the
> larger
> > breeds of horses. Does anyone know when horse sandals became actual
> > horseshoes?
> > > The second invention had a greater effect, the horse collar. (It always
> > bugs me when I see a “sword and sandals” movie where the actors ride
> horses
> > with stirrups or chariots pulled by horses with collars.) I’ve read that
> > the invention of the horse collar was one of the first things that
> started
> > the decline of slavery. Before the horse collar, slaves and horses were
> > used equally for traction. A horse attached to a load with straps could
> > pull as much as 5 slaves but was 5 times as expensive to maintain. With a
> > collar, the horse could pull 15 times as much with the same maintenance
> > costs.
> >
> > One could also mention the moldboard plow and three-field crop rotation.
> > The first made it easier to plow the thick soils of Northern Europe, and
> > the second was considerably more productive than the earlier two-field
> > rotation.
> >
> > Jim Parish
> >
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