[LMB] OT: Why, oh why do woman mystery story writers seem to be obsessed with clothes???

Eric Oppen ravenclaweric at gmail.com
Thu Dec 5 02:12:20 GMT 2019

As I've pointed out, if I dressed like a hardcore biker, no matter how
law-abiding I was I could expect flak from the authorities.  In his time
undercover in the Mongols MC, William Queen found that he was easily able
to understand the Mongols' hostility to cops---even a lot of times when
Queen knew damn well he wasn't doing anything wrong, the cops would pull
him over.  One of them behaved so unprofessionally and wildly that Queen
seriously considered breaking his cover and reporting that cop to his
superiors, just because Queen was dressed "biker" style, riding a Harley,
and had the Mongols MC patch on his back.

My own take is that Wednesday Addams had the right of it: "I'm dressed like
a serial killer.   We look like everybody else."

On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 7:59 PM Aruvqan <aruvqan at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 11/26/2019 5:43 PM, Raymond Collins wrote:
> > Clothing is a language.  In Europe and Great Britain during the
> renaissance
> > people were forced to dress by their status,  thus if you were a merchant
> > you couldn't dress like a noble. And certain colours (or color. My
> > spellcheck was on UK mode) were forbidden. This was a time when commen
> > masses were getting rich. And had money to spend on clothes.
> > You could call it dress censorship.
> Stumptuary laws unofficially still exist - try being black and dressing
> stylishly for the black neighborhood and drive a mercedes or lexus in a
> predominately white area, you will get stopped for 'driving while black'
> and investigated for possibly having stolen the car. read the red carpet
> runway reports of how the actors/musicians are dressed and you will hear
> all sorts of discussions about minutiae of clothing, and see how the
> designers end up making colors popular [pink is the new black, or don't
> wear white after labor day or you have to wear white for a wedding - but
> you can't wear white denim, you might be a redneck, or white spandex,
> you might be a ghetto tramp ...]
> Think about Eric Oppen's father - he had to dress in a suit as a lawyer,
> he would have been at issue if he had dared wear jeans and a patchwork
> vest even just to the office let alone court.
> [currently working on a new elizabethan gown to replace the one that
> went up in flames, going to be a nice heavy richly colored broadcloth as
> I am portraying a well off middle class woman *not* from London =)
> roughly 1530-60ish, has to depend on what fabrics I can find and in what
> colors <thinking of a good burgundy, or perhaps a dark true green>]
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