[LMB] OT: Racial disparities in policing
Karen A. Wyle
kawyle at att.net
Tue Dec 10 15:10:13 GMT 2019
My (white) husband makes it a policy, and taught our (white) daughters, to lose 20 IQ points and be utterly deferential in any discussion with police, as a matter of self-protection.
Karen A. Wyle On Tuesday, December 10, 2019, 09:47:14 AM EST, WILLIAM A WENRICH <wawenri at msn.com> wrote:
I want to know how police can tell the race of the driver of a car from behind.
To be less flippant, every one needs to be careful when stopped by the police. As a driver you may be angry at being stopped for no reason or maybe going 2 miles an hour over the speed limit.
Don’t try to give the officer a hard time! You may have been stopped because someone held up a liquor store, killed 2 people, and drove away in a car similar to yours. The officer will be nervous and on edge. (BTW officers are trained to be cautious. If the officer stopped someone for speeding but they thought it was because of the robbery, not being cautious could be fatal.
In my concealed carry class we were taught to remain seated with our hands on the wheel and not go fumbling around for our license or registration. If you have a weapon, and you need to reach close to it, inform the officer first (some states require you to inform the police immediately on being stopped).
Personal experience, I was driving with my wife at night and was pulled over. I didn’t have my weapon with me at the time. I followed the rules and kept my hands in sight. I didn’t reach for anything without telling the officer first. I been stopped because the driver of the car in front of me had thrown a lit cigarette out the window and the the officer thought it was me. Since I don’t smoke and my car didn’t smell of smoke, I was able to continue with no problem.
Christian, husband, father, granddaddy, son, American. Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me.
William A Wenrich
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Subject: [LMB] OT: Racial disparities in policing
On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 5:59 PM WILLIAM A WENRICH <wawenri at msn.com> wrote:
> A few years ago, a black professor was locked out of his house in an
> expensive neighborhood. When he was breaking in to his own house police
> detained him and made him prove that he lived there. He cried racism that
> the police stopped him because he was black.
> I do not remember if anyone asked what would happen if the police found a
> white person breading into a house in the same neighborhood,
I DO recall people discussing that, and I've had personal experience with
similar situations. And of course the police always request a
demonstration that the person trying to gain access to a house, a car,
etc.actually is the rightful owner before they leave, for the simple reason
that they would get into a great deal of trouble if they left a reported
possible break-in that WAS an actual break-in merely because the thief
claimed to be the owner. Even ignoring any desire to do their jobs and
protect the public, they need to cover their own butts.
I am reminded of the infamous case where female professional musicians were
complaining that they were discriminated against by orchestras, whose
positions are highly competitive and avidly pursued. A carefully
double-blinded test showed that orchestra managers were mildly prejudiced
against women - but that women were significantly lower-performing, which
accounted for the majority of the disparate hiring.
Before we conclude that prejudice makes police stop young black men more
often (and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if that were the case), we need
to exclude alternative explanations. Such as the possibility that young
black men drive in a manner that tends to attract police attention. I seem
to recall some studies that indicated that black police stopped black
drivers more frequently, which would seem to make attributing the behavior
to racial animus rather problematic.
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