[LMB] souls and souls
M. Haller Yamada
thefabmadamem at yahoo.com
Fri Jul 12 00:52:20 BST 2019
On Friday, July 12, 2019, 02:27:01 AM GMT+9, Joel Polowin <jpolowin at hotmail.com> wrote:
Gwynne Powell <gwynnepowell at hotmail.com> wrote:
> From: Joel Polowin <jpolowin at hotmail.com>
>> We have Betriz's "The Bastard _always_ takes the leftovers. Always.
>> It is His, His... it's His _job_. He _can't_ not take a severed
>> soul ? I thought He already _had_." By popular belief, at least,
>> the Bastard doesn't have the option of rejecting, as such. There are
>> souls contaminated by being bound to spirit animals; there are those
>> who are confused by sudden or violent deaths, and not given the proper
>> rites to help them find their way. And, of course, those who refuse
>> the call. But the Bastard isn't rejecting them.
> Gwynne: I don't think carrying a spirit animal makes you contaminated:
> it was the son who took the shamans.
Joel: At the end of HH, each of the Five had their representative there,
to usher along the souls after they had been cleansed.
Micki: I was going to say something similar. The animal souls can't go
to people-afterlife, it seems . . . or at least, they need to be separated
before they can be mixed???
Gwen: > And the manner of death doesn't
> seem to matter once the spirit is set free, soldiers mostly go to the Son.
Micki: I think that's mostly self-selecting. I bet a lot of officers go to the
Father. Men (and women?) who don't advance in the military may go
to the Son. But, I don't think it's "they are soldiers, so they go to the Son".
I think it's more, "They belong to the Son (at this point), so they follow
this path which happens to include soldiery."
Gwen: > It's a bit odd, when you think about it; most people belong to the god
> of their age and stage; girls to the Daughter, once they marry they go to
> the Mother, fathers to the Father, young men to the Son. But people who
> are illegitimate like dy Cabon, and Nikys, seem to belong to the Bastard
> despite their other possibilities. Or maybe most people have more than
> one allegiance, and cover as many bases as possible (which would make
Joel: I don't *think* girls are switched to the Mother when they marry;
I think it's after they've had a child. There are many edge cases:
any soldier of the Daughter's Order, for example. A man switches from
the Son to the Father when he's fathered a child, even if he doesn't
know about it. (And is that upon impregnation, or when the woman has
delivered a baby? Gah.)
Micki: This gets into headache area. People have the free-will to change,
and change their allegiance to the Gods. But, if the Gods know when a
person will die, then, in theory, they know which ones are "theirs"?
Micki: But in a reasonable universe (not sure if this is; Gods be Gods),
the Gods would take care of their people while they have them, no
matter where they wind up, for the greater good of the Garden Beyond.
Micki: And then again, how much of this is poor human comprehension
trying to categorize what is what is . . . ineffable.
Micki: Do we have ANY evidence that the Five Gods are Five, but at some
level are One Divine Godhead or whatever? I feel like I read something like
that somewhere, but on the other hand, it's probably first-religion interference
(like people who experience first-language interference when trying to speak
a second-language, and wind up with a horrible accent).
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