[LMB] Fwd: Fwd: Re: TSK - Echoes

Eric Oppen ravenclaweric at gmail.com
Tue Jul 23 23:03:30 BST 2019


A big part of the problems with Victorian cities was that sanitation was
still primitiveand transport was still horse drawn.  London had a million
horses and each one dropped a ton of fund a year.  There were people who
earned a living by keeping street crossing swept for tips.



On Tuesday, July 23, 2019, markus baur <baur at chello.at> wrote:

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> Am 22.07.2019 um 21:46 schrieb Katherine Collett:
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>> On Jul 22, 2019, at 2:34 PM, Eric Oppen <ravenclaweric at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> The thing was, the "dark satanic mills" in Victorian England WERE
>>> progress!  Prior to the Industrial Revolution, the surplus rural
>>> population
>>> had only a few options, and none of them were good.  After the factories
>>> were there, they could go and work in them.
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>>> Also, the Industrial Revolution made a lot of things more accessible to
>>> the
>>> poor, like making clothes cheaper.
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>>> Most of the sneering at factories was by people who were too rich to have
>>> any idea of what life was like for the real poor.  They would rhapsodize
>>> about how much better life was in the country.  Which it was, _if you
>>> owned
>>> land!_  Tenants, OTOH, were at the mercy of their landlords, and life in
>>> those quaint, picturesque country cottages was often pretty hellish.
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>> Well, that’s true to some extent.  But my understanding is that until
>> perhaps well into the industrial revolution, basically people came from the
>> country to the cities and died there — that is, cities’ populations would
>> have steadily decreased, if not for the constant influx of people from the
>> countryside.  And people had longer lifespans if they stayed in the
>> country.  So, life could be nasty, brutish, and short in the country or the
>> city, but evidently worse in the city.
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> yep - cities were (and still are to some degreee) population sinks
> dpeending on a steady influx of "newcomers" for maintainnig a steady state
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