[LMB] We've been discussing gene engineering on people...

Joel Polowin jpolowin at hotmail.com
Sat Oct 12 21:38:54 BST 2019


Matthew George (matt.msg at gmail.com) wrote:
> A condition with no known etiology that is diagnosed only through symptoms
> perceived by others, and in the presence of strong external preferences as
> to acceptable behavior?  *Sure* it's a real condition.
> 
> There is no actual standard by which diagnoses can be evaluated by.  It's
> possible that such standards may be discovered.  It's possible that
> diagnoses will be withheld until such standards exist.

I've seen a child go from being literally unable to sit still for more
than about a minute -- unable to focus on any task, unable to learn to
read -- to an avid reader and (for his age) talented artist, thanks to
his getting appropriate medications.  When his parents took him to be
evaluated by the specialist, said specialist was skeptical in advance
that the appointment would be useful, because the kid was so young,
and young kids are naturally very active.  The specialist only had to
watch him for a few seconds to diagnose the ADHD.  She said that he
was the worst case she'd ever seen.  His parents had been referring
to him as "Brownian Boy", semi-figuratively bouncing off the walls.

YES, it's a real condition.

It can't be hard-and-fast measured with a diagnostic instrument.  That
doesn't mean it can't be diagnosed.  My sweetie is a behavioural
neurologist specializing in dementia.  Her "tools" *include* factors
that can be measured quantitatively, as in the Montreal Cognitive
Assessment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Cognitive_Assessment .
But her knowledge base and assessment criteria go far beyond it,
such as diagnosing mini-strokes and other disorders by observing
patterns of speech and subtleties of body movement.

> No amount of eugenics, genetic engineering, or selective murder will ever
> prevent people from developing Type 1 diabetes.  Because it's not a genetic
> condition.

This is, in fact, not the case.

https://www.jdrf.ca/who-we-are/type-1-diabetes/
"Parents, children and siblings of individuals with T1D have a tenfold
greater risk of developing the disease than the rest of the population."

T1D may not be *solely* genetic, but genetics plays a strong role.
The inclination towards the autoimmune reaction that causes T1D is
very much a genetic trait.

Joel


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