[LMB] On ADHD

Eric Oppen ravenclaweric at gmail.com
Thu Oct 17 22:03:02 BST 2019


If ADHD showed in adults we would place it in the mania spectrum, I believe.


On Thursday, October 17, 2019, Matthew George <matt.msg at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 10:02 PM Eric Oppen <ravenclaweric at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Just because we don't know yet what causes real ADHD does not make it not
> > real.  We didn't know what caused scurvy for a LONG time, but that didn't
> > make it not happen.
> >
>
> You're missing the point, Eric Oppen.  We had a very clear definition of
> what 'scurvy' meant.  There's no real uncertainty or ambiguity as to
> whether a given person has developed scurvy.  The symptoms are
> unmistakeable, they appear in a relatively orderly progression, and they
> resolve quickly.  We didn't need to know what caused it, any more than we
> needed to know what caused sunburn.
>
> That is not at all true about ADHD.  There are no unambiguous, objective
> criteria.  We have a label, that may or may not be useful, but we cannot
> determine whether that label reflects any distinction in reality.  Our
> treatments do not act qualitatively differently in people we diagnose as
> with as those we diagnose as without.  Are we merely marking off an extreme
> of the trait distribution and giving it a clinical name, or is there a
> physiological dysfunction?  We don't know.
>
> Until we know, we have a category we've created.  The fact that we see
> people who fit that category as medically suitable for treatment
> demonstrates nothing beyond that fact - insisting that a person need feel
> no shame, guilt, or uneasiness about themselves or how they're dealing with
> things, MERELY BECAUSE A DIAGNOSIS EXISTS, is logically and ethically
> invalid.
>
>
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 6:39 PM WalterStuartBushell <proto at panix.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Oct 14, 2019, at 9:20 AM, Jason Long <sturmvogel66 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The definition of obese has changed in concert with the method of
> > > measuring
> > > > it. It is always a PitA to accurately measure body-fat percentage
> > > (usually
> > > > involves dunking tests or electrical resistance) and the medical
> > industry
> > > > decided to switch to body-mass index which is a simple calculation
> > using
> > > > only height and weight to define obesity. Said calculation ignores
> body
> > > > types (mesomorph, ectomorph, etc.) and activities like weight lifting
> > > which
> > > > create a lot of dense muscle mass. So a guy with 4% body fat is
> judged
> > as
> > > > obese as a couch potato who is genuinely obese with 32% body fat
> simply
> > > > because they’re the same height and weight.
> > >
> > > Wurst, TOFIs (Thin Ouside, Thin Inside) may think they are fine when
> they
> > > are
> > > in fact in trouble.
> > >
> > >
> > > —
> > > Sig intentionally left blank.
> > >
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