[LMB] We've been discussing gene engineering on people...

Eric Oppen ravenclaweric at gmail.com
Sun Oct 20 17:55:34 BST 2019

The American Temperance movement was a lot more powerful and influential,
AFAIK, than the one in the UK, which, reversing the usual 19th-century
pattern, was an admiring imitator of the American original.  I can't speak
to Australia or NZ.

On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 7:04 AM Gwynne Powell <gwynnepowell at hotmail.com>

> From: Eric Oppen <ravenclaweric at gmail.com>
> Part of the problem with alcoholism, IMO, is that we're still dealing with
> cultural baggage from the Temperance/Prohibition movement.  Another part of
> the problem is definition.  Some people think that any drinking at all that
> has any visible effect on the drinker is alcoholism.  Others have other
> definitions---I would say that anybody whose life is negatively impacted in
> a major way (beyond a morning-after hangover) by drinking is likely to be
> some sort of "alcoholic."
> Gwynne: My grandmother and Great-Aunt were members of the Temperance
> Society in England, before they came out to Australia. They rarely touched
> a
> drop (maybe the heady indulgence of a small sherry for special occasions.)
> Otherwise alcohol was for medicinal purposes only. Nearly every one of my
> family remedies involves alcohol - as a child I'd be given a tablespoon of
> brandy if I was sick. Even the chooks were dosed with brandy if they
> weren't
> well. Mum still takes a dose of Port wine and brandy for an upset stomach.
> I mean, who wants to do something silly like ... oh, I don't know... go to
> a
> doctor or something, not when there's perfectly good alcohol in the house
> instead.
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