[LMB] OT: ish, the nuclear family

Baur baur at chello.at
Sun Feb 16 09:01:16 GMT 2020

Am 16.02.2020 um 01:30 schrieb Katherine Collett:
> On Feb 15, 2020, at 6:42 PM, Damien Sullivan <phoenix at mindstalk.net>
> wrote:
>> Though I think it's older than he credits.  I've heard a lot of
>> the "northwest European" pattern of a prospective couple not
>> marrying until they could afford a household of their own, via job
>> or inheritance or prize money.  You see it in Jane Austen's
>> gentry.
> Yeah, but the thing about the gentry (and nobility, and royalty, as
> we also see in Chalion, etc.), is that they did not live in isolated
> nuclear families.  Sure, they had a household ... the couple, their
> children, the butler, steward, housekeeper, ladies' maids,
> housemaids, footmen, nanny, cook (YMMV depending on era and wealth
> level).

plus the offspring of these servants ..



> I do suppose that there have been some nuclear families throughout
> history; it's just that during a particular period of the 20th
> century, they were popularly supposed to be the norm.
>>> blaming the more recent lack of local networks on lawns having
>>> gotten bigger, which he seems to do,
>> I think that's oversimplifying what he says.
> Well, yes.  He says a lot more -- but the sentence about the lawns
> does seem to make that claim.
>> Zoning for detached single family homes started in the 1930s and 
>> took off after WWII.  I've been told the median lot size of
>> American homes is 1/5 acre, sort of what I'd expect if 1/4 acre and
>> 1/8 acre minimum lot sizes dominate the legal code, and that's a
>> pretty big lot -- or more to the point, a pretty low density
>> neighborhood.  ...
> Have you seen the 2004 documentary The End of Suburbia?  I think
> that's the one -- the first half is about the development of suburbia
> in the mid-20th century (seems to be available here:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3uvzcY2Xug).  Some of its
> predictions have been overtaken by events, but from what I remember,
> it gives a good quick overview of how we got to the
> housing/zoning/neighborhood issues Brooks talks about in the
> article.
>> <snip various additional insightful points>
> Katherine

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