[LMB] Programming, was: Re: OT: Afterlife

Sylvia McIvers sylviamcivers at gmail.com
Sun Nov 1 02:58:56 GMT 2020

On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 3:39 PM Zan Lynx <zlynx at acm.org> wrote:

> On 10/31/20 1:05 PM, Jean Lamb wrote:
> > In HIDDEN FIGURES, programming was shown as grunt work, suitable for
> women.
> >
> > Somehow that changed when the real money flowed into the field. As it so
> often does.
> >
> >
> The conclusion was that it is psychological. Women tend to be less
> assertive, aggressive, whatever, and therefore less demanding. They also
> value personal relationships higher than pay and are less likely to
> leave a job where they have friends.
> ...
> This is nothing to do with some conspiracy to pay women less. It's just
> that women ALLOW this to happen to them.
> Stand UP for yourselves.

Oh, this again.
It's been tried.  Feedback:
Men show leadership, women are bossy.
Men are assertive, women are pushy.
Men are direct, women are abrasive.

People (men & women both) have societal expectations for how men & women
are supposed to act.  Leadership Is Not Ladylike.

Assertive people get raises, pushy people just annoy the manager.

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