[LMB] Citizenship? - Oaths and Arde

Harvey Fishman fishman at panix.com
Tue Dec 7 16:45:32 GMT 2021

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From: "Raymond Collins" <rcrcoll6 at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of the works of Lois McMaster Bujold." 
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Subject: Re: [LMB] Citizenship? - Oaths and Arde

>According to the 14th Amendment anyone born in the United States is
>automatically a US citizen. Even children of foreign officials who are
>stationed here.
I question that second part: " Section 1. All persons born or 
naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction 
thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they 
reside. " Foreign officials, i.e. those in the employ of a foreign 
government, are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

There is currently a movement in New York State to grant the vote to 
legal residents, i.e. Green Card Holders, who are not citizens. This is 
obviously only for State and local elections, but... I am not sure of 
the case with felons.


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